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Statistically Speaking - QP's and PP's

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Posted: July 24, 2010, 11:49 am - IP Logged

Neither can you if you select your numbers to play they become self picks.

Unless a third party with a membership uses an RNG program either Lottery posts or one on the net and selects the numbers for you.

Otherwise he will have to buy his self picks and you will have to purchase your quick picks.

"Otherwise he will have to buy his self picks and you will have to purchase your quick picks."

After reading your post it just occured to me that Vision doesn't know what a PURCHASED QP is. I don't know the odds against 46 QPs matching all 46 bonus numbers, but it's highly unlikely. I know of no way to compare the wheel's coverage to 46 QPs without buying 46 QPs. 

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    I'm sure Stack understands probability as well as any member but I agree that simply posting 46 lines could prove both sides of the argument but what would be the point?  I'm more interested in picking 10-20 lines and averaging more wins than an equal amount of QP's which I seem to be doing lately with PB. (I'm assuming QP's will match the odds printed on the play slips)

    It's a fact there is a 2 if 5 of 56 number abbreviated wheel on LP that uses 46 combos. Why would anyone have to prove they can use use all 46 bonus balls?

    How could anyone prove they could get all 46 bonus balls on 46 QPs without buying the 46 QPs?

    Now if someone wants to check the perfomance of the wheel to see how the 56 numbers did, they can use the wheel and create 46 combos and compare the results against all the MM drawings since the last matrix change. If they found one 5 number match, they can honestly say they would had a 1 in 46 chance of hitting the jackpot.

    If they want to check the performance of 46 QPs against drawing the results, they would still have to buy 46 QPs to do it.

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      who cares about matching the bonus balls?    to me,  that's just an excuse.

      i already told you i will be more than willing to "handicap" myself by not worrying stitch that i have all the "bonus balls"  covered.

      you,  on the otherhand,  can "cover" anything you want.

      it's random, and the MORE random i am coming out of my starting gate,  the better.

      the challenge doesn't require me putting out cash,  and doesn't require me covering anything.

      46 against 46........or whatever series of combo's for whatever game you "think"  gives you an edge against my random assertion.

      unless i am missing something,  this is just another ongoing excuse to put away the inevitable.

      "STACK" the odds against me.   please

       i don't care.   i want you to.    really,  i have thick skin,  i will be just fine after you wup up on "randomness".

      stack,  see how fast i busted out my "random combo's"  RJ asked me to?    i did it  ASAP  without an excuse.

      that's how people operate,  who aren't afraid to throw their position out under the scrutiny "spotlight"

                  "i am .........."meant to"       

      P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

               until further notice,  it's  france everyday

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        thanks rj.     you have always been one of THE most respectful,    consistent "good guys" at LP.

        really,  all along this has been a "debate".   it's rediculous that it took some 30+pages to get this far.   it's for fun. 

        never used this "generator" before.   hope it's as "random" as can be......JK

        btw,  what do you want to say in my sig,    should you win ??? 

        ********************************************************************************************

        05-06-35-39-58  + 20
        05-07-25-30-59  + 20
        07-13-47-50-52  + 13
        04-09-50-55-58  + 32
        06-10-30-31-41  + 27
        01-14-16-27-30  + 32
        06-21-31-39-43  + 32
        16-17-46-53-54  + 08
        24-32-45-52-57  + 24
        08-13-19-22-24  + 11
        02-32-40-48-50  + 29
        22-30-34-50-55  + 01
        10-16-25-31-37  + 15
        16-34-39-41-56  + 14
        04-09-18-20-28  + 22
        04-20-32-34-58  + 30
        01-02-10-36-40  + 39
        12-17-22-29-30  + 25
        01-32-36-48-50  + 35
        19-24-28-48-57  + 11

        20 Quick Picks for Powerball
        Generated by Lottery Post's exclusive Quick Picks Generator
        http://www.lotterypost.com/quickpicks

        These are the 20 lines I picked to play for tonight's PB drawing using my system/strategy.  I pick 20 megaballs using the most popular repeat patterns and the most popular ones overall.  I attempted to use all 59 core numbers in 2 of the 3 most popular combination profiles but I only covered 54 of them.  I posted the first 10 lines on the prediction board.

         06 31 41 42 51    +05
         10 16 29 46 54    +10
         01 13 14 28 55    +39
         12 15 21 37 40    +23
         04 20 34 44 47    +15
         18 23 32 35 39    +37
         19 24 36 45 48    +38
         09 11 25 43 49    +31
         08 17 22 27 59    +30
         06 11 28 36 39    +11
         12 25 42 48 58    +09
         09 31 46 52 56    +32
         02 13 16 38 51    +21
         14 19 23 43 58    +25
         07 18 22 29 53    +20
         02 17 30 52 54    +07
         07 35 47 49 55    +04
         01 10 15 30 34    +29
         20 24 27 40 50    +06
         08 37 44 45 53    +27

        Good luck.
        RJOh

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          "Otherwise he will have to buy his self picks and you will have to purchase your quick picks."

          After reading your post it just occured to me that Vision doesn't know what a PURCHASED QP is. I don't know the odds against 46 QPs matching all 46 bonus numbers, but it's highly unlikely. I know of no way to compare the wheel's coverage to 46 QPs without buying 46 QPs. 

          My understanding is your going to put up your 46 self picks against Vision's quick picks his quick picks cannot have any numbers he chooses they have to be created from an RNG.

          He is ready to do that!  so you come up with 46 lines and use all the Mega ball numbers or powerball numbers you want.

          His Quick picks against your self picks RJOH will use lottery posts quick pick generator. 

          Neither of you will have to purchase anything. You have the benefit of knowing visondude didn't choose his quick pick numbers.

          Big John says. You don't hit the number. The number hits you!!!!

                         I'm not Big John, I'm Four4me, Big John's a friend.
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            It's a fact there is a 2 if 5 of 56 number abbreviated wheel on LP that uses 46 combos. Why would anyone have to prove they can use use all 46 bonus balls?

            How could anyone prove they could get all 46 bonus balls on 46 QPs without buying the 46 QPs?

            Now if someone wants to check the perfomance of the wheel to see how the 56 numbers did, they can use the wheel and create 46 combos and compare the results against all the MM drawings since the last matrix change. If they found one 5 number match, they can honestly say they would had a 1 in 46 chance of hitting the jackpot.

            If they want to check the performance of 46 QPs against drawing the results, they would still have to buy 46 QPs to do it.

            I thought the question was "are 46 lines picked using a system, a strategy or personal preferences better than 46 lines picked randomly (46 QPs)".  It's unlikely 46 QPs would ever include all 46 powerballs so if a player wanted to make sure all of them were included, he would have to pick them himself.

            When ever I've tested any of my theories and needed some combinations generated randomly, the LP Quick Picks generator has always been a quick and easy source for those combinations.

             * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
               
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              Posted: July 24, 2010, 10:27 pm - IP Logged

              RJOh i fixed my post sorry bout the 56 lines

              Big John says. You don't hit the number. The number hits you!!!!

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                RJOh i fixed my post sorry bout the 56 lines

                Guess I missed it, don't remember seeing 56.

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                  Posted: July 24, 2010, 11:29 pm - IP Logged

                  My understanding is your going to put up your 46 self picks against Vision's quick picks his quick picks cannot have any numbers he chooses they have to be created from an RNG.

                  He is ready to do that!  so you come up with 46 lines and use all the Mega ball numbers or powerball numbers you want.

                  His Quick picks against your self picks RJOH will use lottery posts quick pick generator. 

                  Neither of you will have to purchase anything. You have the benefit of knowing visondude didn't choose his quick pick numbers.

                  The only thing I ever said about self picks is somebody could create a system to enter the number into the wheel. It's a pick-5 wheel; you're a Premium member, take a closer look at the wheel.

                  http://www.lotterypost.com/wheel-abbreviated.asp?i=335

                  It uses all 56 numbers, places the numbers into 46 combos, the player enters the numbers onto a playslip, and then adds the 46 bonus numbers. The wheel even has a RNG feature.

                  "Neither of you will have to purchase anything."

                  If it's not going to cost any money, why stop at just one 46 number wheel; let's see how 100 performs?

                  It might take awhile but since it's free, there are 84,885 orders the 56 numbers can be entered into the wheel.

                  Sarcasm aside, there is nothing to see; no smoke, no mirrors, just 46 MM combinations using all 46 bonus numbers

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                    Posted: July 24, 2010, 11:34 pm - IP Logged

                    PowerBall winning numbers:  20 30 38 46 59    +27

                    Visiondude QPs

                     05 06 35 39 58    +20
                     05 07 25 30 59    +20
                     07 13 47 50 52    +13
                     04 09 50 55 58    +32
                     06 10 30 31 41    +27
                     01 14 16 27 30     +32
                     06 21 31 39 43    +32
                     16 17 46 53 54    +08
                     24 32 45 52 57    +24
                     08 13 19 22 24    +11
                     02 32 40 48 50    +29
                     22 30 34 50 55    +01
                     10 16 25 31 37    +15
                     16 34 39 41 56    +14
                     04 09 18 20 28    +22
                     04 20 32 34 58    +30
                     01 02 10 36 40    +39
                     12 17 22 29 30    +25
                     01 32 36 48 50    +35
                     19 24 28 48 57    +11

                    RJOh system picks

                     06 31 41 42 51    +05
                     10 16 29 46 54    +10
                     01 13 14 28 55    +39
                     12 15 21 37 40    +23
                     04 20 34 44 47    +15
                     18 23 32 35 39    +37
                     19 24 36 45 48    +38
                     09 11 25 43 49    +31
                     08 17 22 27 59      +30
                     06 11 28 36 39    +11
                     12 25 42 48 58    +09
                     09 31 46 52 56    +32
                     02 13 16 38 51    +21
                     14 19 23 43 58    +25
                     07 18 22 29 53    +20
                     02 17 30 52 54    +07
                     07 35 47 49 55    +04
                     01 10 15 30 34    +29
                     20 24 27 40 50    +06
                     08 37 44 45 53    +27

                     * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                       
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                      I thought the question was "are 46 lines picked using a system, a strategy or personal preferences better than 46 lines picked randomly (46 QPs)".  It's unlikely 46 QPs would ever include all 46 powerballs so if a player wanted to make sure all of them were included, he would have to pick them himself.

                      When ever I've tested any of my theories and needed some combinations generated randomly, the LP Quick Picks generator has always been a quick and easy source for those combinations.

                      "It's unlikely 46 QPs would ever include all 46 powerballs so if a player wanted to make sure all of them were included, he would have to pick them himself."

                      You can fill out playslips using all 46 bonus numbers and checking the 'QP' option for the five numbers. Statistically speaking it would still be a player picks and done nothing but compare the wheel to purchased QPs.

                      If player has an extra 46 bucks and wants to play MM, which method gives that player the best chances of winning the jackpot, asking the clerk for 46 QPs or using all 46 bonus balls?

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                        "It's unlikely 46 QPs would ever include all 46 powerballs so if a player wanted to make sure all of them were included, he would have to pick them himself."

                        You can fill out playslips using all 46 bonus numbers and checking the 'QP' option for the five numbers. Statistically speaking it would still be a player picks and done nothing but compare the wheel to purchased QPs.

                        If player has an extra 46 bucks and wants to play MM, which method gives that player the best chances of winning the jackpot, asking the clerk for 46 QPs or using all 46 bonus balls?

                        stack,  i realize i too am a season ticket holder to short attention span theater,  but "we"  got over the cash outlay part of the equation quite awhile ago,  and your still kicking an already embalmed dead horse.

                        so actually,  it would be better if you asked rjoh and four4me for help.   

                        that would be your best bet,  seeing how they did something in 2 posts,  that you could have done like 3 days ago.

                        look,   i am not "trying"  to be thorn,  but one thing isn't cool,  is when you say something as if you "can",  then you "act"  for days like you can't back it up. 

                           send those two a thank you card for doing what you should have done

                                    "i am .........."meant to"       

                        P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

                                 until further notice,  it's  france everyday

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                          PowerBall winning numbers:  20 30 38 46 59    +27

                          Visiondude QPs

                           05 06 35 39 58    +20
                           05 07 25 30 59    +20
                           07 13 47 50 52    +13
                           04 09 50 55 58    +32
                           06 10 30 31 41    +27
                           01 14 16 27 30     +32
                           06 21 31 39 43    +32
                           16 17 46 53 54    +08
                           24 32 45 52 57    +24
                           08 13 19 22 24    +11
                           02 32 40 48 50    +29
                           22 30 34 50 55    +01
                           10 16 25 31 37    +15
                           16 34 39 41 56    +14
                           04 09 18 20 28    +22
                           04 20 32 34 58    +30
                           01 02 10 36 40    +39
                           12 17 22 29 30    +25
                           01 32 36 48 50    +35
                           19 24 28 48 57    +11

                          RJOh system picks

                           06 31 41 42 51    +05
                           10 16 29 46 54    +10
                           01 13 14 28 55    +39
                           12 15 21 37 40    +23
                           04 20 34 44 47    +15
                           18 23 32 35 39    +37
                           19 24 36 45 48    +38
                           09 11 25 43 49    +31
                           08 17 22 27 59      +30
                           06 11 28 36 39    +11
                           12 25 42 48 58    +09
                           09 31 46 52 56    +32
                           02 13 16 38 51    +21
                           14 19 23 43 58    +25
                           07 18 22 29 53    +20
                           02 17 30 52 54    +07
                           07 35 47 49 55    +04
                           01 10 15 30 34    +29
                           20 24 27 40 50    +06
                           08 37 44 45 53    +27

                          nope.  not going to gloat.  not my style.   could care less. 

                          but,  i do wanna publically thank  rjoh for sticking his neck out (sort of),  when no one else would.     

                          your a class act,  rj.

                          all i (and a whole bunch of other people) wanted to see was a little head to head fun.   big scary whoop

                          could be i just got "lucky".  it could be it's all random like i asserted,  but ones things for sure,  at least we did it,  which is more than i can say for all the "others" watching this in the shadows that incessantly state "they could",  and remained silent.

                          shoot,  i don't mind if anyone wants to write it off as me being "lucky" out of the gate,  and wants to extrapolate this out longer over time.  good by me. 

                            i am willing to grant someone a fair chance,  should they assert a more accurate "test" is more than one drawing.

                          i ain't about to let anyone think i will claim "victory",  just because i got "lucky" once.

                          vision is a long haul trucker in the delivering truth game.      coast to coast

                          no hit and run for me,  because "hit and runs"  come with a prison sentence attached to it.

                          no thanks

                                      "i am .........."meant to"       

                          P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

                                   until further notice,  it's  france everyday

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                            now,  even though i stated that "if"  i  lost,  i would add whoever beat "randomness" with their system into my sig at LP as long as i am in here.

                            to once again demonstrate to you guys i am a man of my word,  i am going to do it  anyway

                              thanks rj.   i appreciate you being a stand up guy.     enough to ad you to my sig,  permanently

                                        "i am .........."meant to"       

                            P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

                                     until further notice,  it's  france everyday

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                              now,  even though i stated that "if"  i  lost,  i would add whoever beat "randomness" with their system into my sig at LP as long as i am in here.

                              to once again demonstrate to you guys i am a man of my word,  i am going to do it  anyway

                                thanks rj.   i appreciate you being a stand up guy.     enough to ad you to my sig,  permanently

                              Sounds like you're happy and I hope you proved your point to your satisfaction.  Had you not had a winner in 20 lines, I wouldn't have considered it a lost since the overall odds of having a PB winner are 1 in 35 lines and we both did better than that.  You might consider your 1+1 lucky but using my system/strategy I was expecting at least a 0+1.

                              Although I didn't get the better prize, I'm still satisfied with my system/strategy performance because it continues to have a win ever 20 lines or less beating the overall odds of 1:35.  I've already started picking lines for Wednesday PB drawings.  This time only 18 PB numbers are needed to cover the most popular bonus repeat patterns and the most popular bonus numbers overall so I will be picking 18 lines and posting the first 10 on the prediction board as usual.  Good luck to you.

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