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Statistically Speaking - QP's and PP's

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Unfortunately, common sense was misnamed a long time ago.

I'm not sure if RC is right in saying that it's common sense, but it is easily reasoned out by anyone with modest intelligence and a reasonable grasp of what "random" means. For those who have either more modest intelligence or no interest in actually thinking about it, a deck of cards or a pair of dice will prove it, even if it doesn't make the reasons clear.

And, in case you aren't clear on how the world works, the lottery isn't responsible for explaining randomness or probability to the players. It's up to players to take responsibility and either educate themselves or accept the risks blindly. Maybe that's why you have to be 18 to play? If you dont understand how it works, it's your own fault.

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    Unfortunately, common sense was misnamed a long time ago.

    I'm not sure if RC is right in saying that it's common sense, but it is easily reasoned out by anyone with modest intelligence and a reasonable grasp of what "random" means. For those who have either more modest intelligence or no interest in actually thinking about it, a deck of cards or a pair of dice will prove it, even if it doesn't make the reasons clear.

    And, in case you aren't clear on how the world works, the lottery isn't responsible for explaining randomness or probability to the players. It's up to players to take responsibility and either educate themselves or accept the risks blindly. Maybe that's why you have to be 18 to play? If you dont understand how it works, it's your own fault.

    Are you addressing me?

    Who is RC?


                                                 
                         
                                             

     

     

     

     

                                                                                                       

    "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"

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      Are you addressing me?

      Who is RC?

      I believe he was referring to me. I made the "common sense" comment to DD and he went off like a rocket.

      Since then, I have chosen to ignore DD becauase a person just can't have a reasonable adult conversation with another person who resorts to insults and name calling.

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        I think there may be a big harmonic convergence going on in the Sea-Tac area.

        They may be contemplating their navels at this very moment.

        how did you know i owned a harmonica?

        man you are good

        i should write the musical score to a song entitled,   "don't lose your lottery mind so fast, son"

                    "i am .........."meant to"       

        P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

                 until further notice,  it's  france everyday

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          how did you know i owned a harmonica?

          man you are good

          i should write the musical score to a song entitled,   "don't lose your lottery mind so fast, son"

          Lol, no, I was speaking more of masses of people converging together in perfect harmony and becoming one.

          You know, kinda like the the way socialism works on paper.

          I do like the other idea though.

          Harmonic Convergence would be a great name for a huge Harmonica Festival.

          No Pity!Guitar

          I'd go.


                                                       
                               
                                                   

           

           

           

           

                                                                                                             

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            i was asking you in a common sense fashion, to explain exactly HOW you do it, so that others watching our debate can grasp relateable ideals, instead of just random terminologies used by each individual.

            (Total misunderstanding I WAS explaining how the method worked I didn't realise you were asking me how I put it too use SPECIFICALY anayway in my method I follow these patterns for Pos 1-2 |( LL,HL,LH,HH ) based on draw history analysis I choose one of these pattern pairs that I think is MOST likely too appear and play the number GROUP associated with it for example if I chose the Pair "LH" it would be L=0,1,2,3,4 and H=5,6,7,8,9 next I select 6-8 numbers for Pos 3 from these numbers 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 so for example I would have based on my software data analysis 0,1,4 - 5,6,9 (6 - GROUP of numbers) or 0,1,2,3 - 6,7,8,9 (8 - GROUP of numbers) the final step involves selecting my 10 filters in my software too reduce my combinations down too a more reasonable playing level. WELL that's pretty much it not hard at all as far as how I do it the only challenging part is selecting the correct Pos 1-2 Pair format.So too sum things up Pos 1-2 is L=01234 and H=56789 and Pos 3 is 014569 based on my interpretation of the draw history/software data and if my selections are correct I'm guaranteed a win by TRAPPING the winning number.You see by having MORE numbers in each position I "INCREASE" my chances of winning compared too just trying too select the EXACT 3 numbers that are drawn )

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            it's pick3. that means it's paramutual, and therefore should no one should be "unwilling" to demonstrate by examples how they do it.

            (I'm not unwilling I said it was just a misunderstanding and I don't need VISUALS it's too simple so no need for any visuals I explained it exactly how I USE the data I provided as far as the cycles,patterns,varibles etc....so my ABOVE detailed,quick,simple explanation should suffice I DON'T need too take up 2 pages of screen like some people do my strategy isn't complicated so it's not necessary I select a GROUP of numbers for position 1 and 2 and a GROUP of numbers for position 3 remember be talking about GROUP number selection?? well my above explanation is how it works )

            i do appreciate you taking that much time to try and explain to an QP simple minded doofus like me,  but being honest,  the thing i STILL don't get,  is how anyone can think that one number is "more likely" to come up than any other number at the same time.   "past history" included,  because never at anytime was it anything but random.

            honestly,  i don't think i will ever get past that concept that one number is "more likely" than any other to me,  random means random,  and therefore = "equal chance".

            i realize that in like a 3 number game,  a player would throw a certain blanket of numbers onto a playslip "hoping" those would be more "likely" to appear,  but with the random explanation i explained that runs thru the common sense portion of my cerebral cortext,  i personally still think it's a ginormous waste of time because of that equal chance edict.

            systems players seem to imply the lottery games fade in and out of "randomness",  and you guys know when that happens,  and you seek to take advantage of it.

            some of me "wishes" that were true (who wouldn't want to witness someone truly crack the lottery),   but the realistic side of me,  the side i run to sans emotion, sans wishful thinking......that side affords me efficientcy in life, and "that side"  says it's still impossible.

            to be honest,  i am no where near being able to "believe that someone can",  than i was 8 years ago.

             

            tomorrow,  i will give my "interest" toward somethings fourforme brought up that raised some crimson flags.

            visionALWAYSLOOKSFORTHETRUTHANDrunsTOITdude

                        "i am .........."meant to"       

            P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

                     until further notice,  it's  france everyday

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              I believe he was referring to me. I made the "common sense" comment to DD and he went off like a rocket.

              Since then, I have chosen to ignore DD becauase a person just can't have a reasonable adult conversation with another person who resorts to insults and name calling.

              Should have said RCB, but I was referring to you, though the response was to DD. I'd guess that he went back under his bridge, so maybe we won't be hearing much  from him anymore.


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                i do appreciate you taking that much time to try and explain to an QP simple minded doofus like me,  but being honest,  the thing i STILL don't get,

                 

                (Just like  I said before you just don't get it and NEVER will so this ends our  discussion I HAVE given you plenty of explanation and examples I TRULY  believe your  just  too stubborn too  get  it everything  I HAVE Posted is very simple concepts that REALLY do increase your chances  of winning I  have  hit the numbers because of  it in  fact compared with your quick-pick  method  I've  done a WHOLE lot better than you have,have  a good day until  next time)

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                  "VISIONDUDE"

                   

                  i do appreciate you taking that much time to try and explain to an QP simple minded doofus like me,  but being honest,  the thing i STILL don't get,

                   

                  (Just like  I said before you just don't get it and NEVER will so this ends our  discussion I HAVE given you plenty of explanation and examples I TRULY  believe your  just  too stubborn too  get  it everything  I HAVE Posted is very simple concepts that REALLY do increase your chances  of winning I  have  hit the numbers because of  it in  fact compared with your quick-pick  method  I've  done a WHOLE lot better than you have,have  a good day until  next time)

                  LT,

                  I'm sure Vision will bring this up but since you seem to be signing off on the note that you've "done much better" than him, I can't help asking if you would be willing to qualify that statement.

                  Vision has stated that he buys one  Quick Pick ticket for a drawing. Is your claim based on the same buying of one ticket?


                                                               
                                       
                                                           

                   

                   

                   

                   

                                                                                                                     

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                    He said the  last time  he won or  the most he ever won was $60 and that was QUITE some time ago in comparison I have won 5 times in the past year at $200-$250 a hit  so this  is  how  I qualify my statement it doesn't matter how many tickets were  purchased I'm basicaly going  by how often a winning ticket was aquired.He claims  that my  way doesn't work  or cannot work but  I WON so obviously it does work and I HIT more than once.Did  I make a profit?? "NO" have I won consistantly like  several times  a week?  "NO" I play  for fun nothing  more but  I've won  more times then  he has using quick-picks even my parents buy quick-picks spending $5-$10 EACH time  and won about $50 in the past year so yeah any mehtod of  play has the  same  chance  of getting you a hit in the lottery games but the key is which  one  can  bring  you closer too a hit?? which one can  increase  your chances??? I use  too play quick-picks spending $5-$20 every  2 weeks  and  never,ever won a dime so  ever since I started using some strategic  form of  play I started winning.So based on my comparison of not winning with quick-picks and winning  with strategy  obviously something has  helped  me hit the numbers and it wasn't luck quick-picks are a form of luck play your  at the mercy of  whatever  numbers aer given you by the lottery terminal)


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                      I just checked my tickets from last nights game the numbers drawn (1 6 4)  I had (1 9 4) and on another ticket (6 1 4) unfortunately  I played all STRAIGHT so I get nothing for my boxed  hit so technically I hit the numbers last night even though I won't get paid the  $80 for it.So again the proof is in my tickets even  if I'm  off  by a number  or  a few  it  still  shows  I'm INCREASING my chances getting  me  closer too a HIT in the game.

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                        He said the  last time  he won or  the most he ever won was $60 and that was QUITE some time ago in comparison I have won 5 times in the past year at $200-$250 a hit  so this  is  how  I qualify my statement it doesn't matter how many tickets were  purchased I'm basicaly going  by how often a winning ticket was aquired.He claims  that my  way doesn't work  or cannot work but  I WON so obviously it does work and I HIT more than once.Did  I make a profit?? "NO" have I won consistantly like  several times  a week?  "NO" I play  for fun nothing  more but  I've won  more times then  he has using quick-picks even my parents buy quick-picks spending $5-$10 EACH time  and won about $50 in the past year so yeah any mehtod of  play has the  same  chance  of getting you a hit in the lottery games but the key is which  one  can  bring  you closer too a hit?? which one can  increase  your chances??? I use  too play quick-picks spending $5-$20 every  2 weeks  and  never,ever won a dime so  ever since I started using some strategic  form of  play I started winning.So based on my comparison of not winning with quick-picks and winning  with strategy  obviously something has  helped  me hit the numbers and it wasn't luck quick-picks are a form of luck play your  at the mercy of  whatever  numbers aer given you by the lottery terminal)

                        OK, I'm not advocating for quick picks because I play any way I choose to depending on my mood.

                        I was just wondering if your claim was based on an even measure of play.

                        I think you'd agree that your claim would necessarily come with an asterisk (*).


                                                                     
                                             
                                                                 

                         

                         

                         

                         

                                                                                                                           

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                          I just checked my tickets from last nights game the numbers drawn (1 6 4)  I had (1 9 4) and on another ticket (6 1 4) unfortunately  I played all STRAIGHT so I get nothing for my boxed  hit so technically I hit the numbers last night even though I won't get paid the  $80 for it.So again the proof is in my tickets even  if I'm  off  by a number  or  a few  it  still  shows  I'm INCREASING my chances getting  me  closer too a HIT in the game.

                          I'm not challenging the validity of your method LT, I'm here to learn.


                                                                       
                                               
                                                                   

                           

                           

                           

                           

                                                                                                                             

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                            I know your not I'm just qualifying my statement  and it is based on an  EVEN measure of play I'm quite sure your aware of the  many players that have  won money in all the  games just by playing 1 TICKET so since  each method of  play has the same chance  of winning no matter how  many tickets are purchased it's still very even if I were too buy 50 tickets and  Visiondude 1 ticket he  could  win  and I lose or  vice-versa or we could both win.


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                              Again  I understand your  curiosity I'm fully aware that your not in  the  same  frame of mind that visiondude is in so my responses  are  not in a defensive manner they  are just explaining things based on your inquiry.So let's  not  get offf on the wrong foot I'm here to DISCUSS nothing more  me and  visiondude  go way  back so our discussions are  gonna  be quite  different between us any  questions you have I will do  my best too answer.

                                 
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