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Statistically Speaking - QP's and PP's

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"NO" as usual you totally misunderstand because the concepts go RIGHT  over  your  head I bet everyone else in the forum totally understood what I said I never at any time implied that  a system could give you consistant results and make a profit every  single time because every one  knows that it  isn't the system  actually picking the numbers  or  doing all the work  every system/strategy/software is nothing more than  a TOOL  that assists  a player in selecting the numbers too use.So  I wasn't trying  too reel myself  back in from anywhere because I NEVER made an untrue  or contradictory statement if the  method or system  were AUTOMATED  and I said it could bring consitant hits at a profit I would have  too PROVE that  it's possible but there is no current  method  that works on it's own  because all  of them  NEED human interaction and like I said I NEVER implied or  said that a method could  bring  consistant hits at a profit.A player  that is good at using a system,strategy or software  can with skill,pratice and know how handicap the  game/have an edge and increase his chances of winning I have always maintained  that throught out  our  entire discussion.Your  problem is you would rather look for holes  in what a person says instead of actually using common sense and  intelligence too  back up what you THINK is going on because it's quite obvious  you have NO CLUE!!

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    Opinions:

    o·pin·ion (-pnyn) n. 1. A belief or conclusion held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof: "The world is not run by thought, nor by imagination, but by opinion" (Elizabeth Drew).2. A judgment based on special knowledge and given by an expert: a medical opinion.3. A judgment or estimation of the merit of a person or thing: has a low opinion of braggarts.4. The prevailing view: public opinion.5. Law A formal statement by a court or other adjudicative body of the legal reasons and principles for the conclusions of the court.  o·pin·ion (-pnyn)

    n.
    1. A belief or conclusion held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof: "The world is not run by thought, nor by imagination, but by opinion" (Elizabeth Drew).
    2. A judgment based on special knowledge and given by an expert: a medical opinion.
    3. A judgment or estimation of the merit of a person or thing: has a low opinion of braggarts.
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      Make sure you READ this ABOVE very  carefully VISIONDUDE!!!

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        LotteryTechInc,

        "....If a person can hit more than once using  some kind of system or strategy then that's PROOF it works but he says it has too workconsistantly and with a profit NO method in the  world  can  do thatbecause it's NOT the  system  at work here it's  the player the systemjust gives you an edge  and lays out the information regarding how thenumbers  behave throughout  a draw history but the final decision  isthe PLAYER  the system  doesn't work on  it's on it's not AUTOMATED itrequires human  interaction."

        I'm addressing the part I underlined above.It's not proof that it works, it's only proof it worked more than once. Any other description is something a "Steve Plazyer" would put in a sales letter. For the purpose of discussion I think we can all agree that the odds on casino table games are a wee bit better than the odds on lotto.

        That being said, casinos will fly out and comp systrem players because they know that any system may work tonight, or this week, or even for a few weeks but the only "system" that is conistent is booking the action, which only the house can do legally. The casinos and the lotteries are not only experts in the games but also know they are in the human ego business and the bigger a player's ego is the more willing they are to try and prove, in vain, that their system works.

        Consider sports betting. Here you go boys, Dallas is giving up 7 1/2 against Green Bay, PICK YOUR OWN LOSER. In essence the house is saying, "I've been there, I can't pick a winner, and I know that you can't either, name your poison. And oh yeah, with an 11 to 10 vig you've got to hit 52.6% of the time to break even. Good luck."

        There is a way of playing roulette where you have 28 numbers that pay and 8 that lose. Funny thing, sounds good but it doesn't work.Two of the inning bets are flat bets (even money payoff) and that kills the whole approach. When the casinos put those tracking bars on the roullette games revenue on the game went UP 19%.

        There's a way of playing craps that statistically should make people winners. It takes a big bankroll and people get bored with it and by the time it might have worked they've bailed on it and reverted to their usual (losing) m.o. It's also a method of play that when it doesn't work the player gets slaughtered.

        No system for any game works all the time, none.

        Almost every system peddled is a spin off of the infamous "Shorewood" system.'

        I SURE WOULD LIKE TO WIN SOMETHING AND I'M SO DESPERATE I'LL TRY ANYTHING.

        Have a lucky day.

        Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

        Lep

        There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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          "Since the topic is PPs vs QPs and exclusive to PB and MM, the only real way to settle that debate would be for me to create a 46 combo wheel and post the tickets I bought and for you to buy 46 QPs and post those tickets too. I'm not going to risk at the very least $44 playing MM to prove a point and doubt you would risk $46 either".

           i got an even better idea...

          it won't cost us anything but time.

          you pick whatever methodology you would like to throw at it,  and post it here at LP,   pre-draw game specific.

          i will in turn post my "head my of top"  random QP's,  and we can see where that takes us.

          you would be the only one that accepted the challenge,  so you can add that up however you want. 

           personally,  i like a (person) who will stand up for what they got,  or don't have,  public scrutiny wise.

          too many banty roosters at LP.   all cluck.  no buck Turkey

          i did this years ago,  when i could find a brave soul to do it with.

          not bragging or anything - but i have never lost one of these challenges.

          i would love it if you could take down the QP king.     i don't mind batting  .750

           besides,  i couldn't brag about winning these "challenges"  anyway,  because it's random

          yes, no, maybe ?

           

          VISION

          Since the topic is PPs vs QPs and exclusive to PB and MM .    Why its this limited to this two games? May I ask  Hey Vision dude & Ct and others anti system people, you got me curious with your negativeness on picking winning numbers with systems vs Quick Picks and took it upon myself to do this small test started on July 10th that is when I started reading this post For Ga Cash3. I got 15 Qps from Lp server couldn’t get 12 so I got 15 and did not wanted to eliminate 5 it could have been the winners right? I picked 12 numbers of mine I got 13 on this linkhttp://www.lotterypost.com/thread/217024/1703638  that you can verify but got rid of 319 when doing my test.     THIS IN NO WAY SHAPE,FORM,GRADE OR WHATEVER IS A TEST OF MY SYSTEM I KNOW IT WORKS, BUT A COMPARISON QP VS SYS 1SYSTEM

          12 my numbers vs 15 Quick pigs, ok how unfair is that!!

          I still have the page of my notebook where I wrote down the Qp numbers, Lol I put lousy Qp with the date on it cause was a little annoyed with this nonsense.

          Why didn’t I say something before you may ask? And now I will

          Well because I don’t need to prove to anybody that systems do work, but for my fellows Lp members that might consider picking up your negativeness on systems might want to reconsider by looking at my results of the test. And if you wander why I use Graph Notebook, you are right there is a reason! For that.

          I got 3 pink box hits the reds are Straight hits red don’t count for this test, I got those with another system. But I did count the cash I got Lol.

          I did won with those reds don’t get me wrong! Yep I do have links for those too, posted before the drawings.

          You have no idea how powerful it can be with 3 systems combined.

          Better yet 3 systems and compare the numbers with some great predictors like foxylady,jrosina,pepper1 just to mention some.

          O almost forgot I Didn’t see any winning numbers on my lousy “Quick Pigs List”

          Crap first time in history I use Qp in p3 game and nothing, I hope it doesn’t come and bite this evening lol   bah

           This is the test

          If you want God to laugh, tell him your plans!

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            Mastermind

            For me discussions abougt QP usually refer to jackpot games.

            As for Pick 3 and Pick 4 I think even the staunchest system advocates here don't like RNGs, that is computerized drawings, and as for ping pong balls, as another poster here said not too long ago do you really think you can predict what three ping pong balls are going to do.

            If somebody is honestly hitting often enough to show a profit and not betting more to win less just to claim a win, more power to them.

            If they're hitting a dart board with a shotgun, so what.

            Your mileage may vary.

            Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

            Lep

            There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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              "NO" as usual you totally misunderstand because the concepts go RIGHT  over  your  head I bet everyone else in the forum totally understood what I said I never at any time implied that  a system could give you consistant results and make a profit every  single time because every one  knows that it  isn't the system  actually picking the numbers  or  doing all the work  every system/strategy/software is nothing more than  a TOOL  that assists  a player in selecting the numbers too use.So  I wasn't trying  too reel myself  back in from anywhere because I NEVER made an untrue  or contradictory statement if the  method or system  were AUTOMATED  and I said it could bring consitant hits at a profit I would have  too PROVE that  it's possible but there is no current  method  that works on it's own  because all  of them  NEED human interaction and like I said I NEVER implied or  said that a method could  bring  consistant hits at a profit.A player  that is good at using a system,strategy or software  can with skill,pratice and know how handicap the  game/have an edge and increase his chances of winning I have always maintained  that throught out  our  entire discussion.Your  problem is you would rather look for holes  in what a person says instead of actually using common sense and  intelligence too  back up what you THINK is going on because it's quite obvious  you have NO CLUE!!

              "A player  that is good at using a system,strategy or software  can with skill,pratice and know how handicap the  game/have an edge and increase his chances of winning"

              ok,  so the words "consistentcy"  and "profit" aren't included in a systems user's terminology,  but they should be,  "if" it worked in my mind,  and in the collective minds of skeptical people,  as "we" are attempting to establish truth about this.

              so let's change the terms to ease along the debate.

              read the above highlighted sentence that you wrote.

              to this post,  in 8 years of being here at LP,  i still have never witnessed any person who could "gain an edge",  or "increase their chances" -  using any "system".

              im just saying,  all i have witnessed is people saying they can,   but never  actually proving it.

              change the terms.  good by me.   if i can witness legitemately just once someone proving they can "gain an edge",  you will turn me from skeptic to believer,  from "bad cop"  to "good cop"......lol

              now,  bring forth someone who can,   someone who won't just change the terminology on the fly, and put this off for another 28 pages of back and forth.

              this should be like the easiest thing to do for someone "claiming" they could.

              remember the prayer thread?     when i offered to joker that i could prove my statements,  he promptly left the room.

              when i put forth an easy challenge to DD,  that would totally validate what he said (if it were true),  he also left the room.

              now,  28 pages later,  i still have a revolving door of terms,  but no one actually willing to demonstrate that it does work.

              no one

              if it was me,  and someone challenged me on my "abilities",  i would have done it 28 pages ago.

              someone that has something "provable",   doesn't dance around waiting to prove it

              i am not trying to be harsh,  but i am being confrontive so that the actual truth about it has the chance to surface.

              it's what i do

                          "i am .........."meant to"       

              P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

                       until further notice,  it's  france everyday

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                just to make sure my altruism doesn't get buried in all these posts/pages,  i must take a time out to re-state i am not a "system hater",  blah blah blah blah.

                i could care less how a person picks their numbers,  so i am not only "pro QP choice",  and everyone else is wackadoodle for playing anything other than "QP's",   so please,  don't throw my integrity under the bus,  just because i am willing moreso than most to scrutinize wishful thinking.

                you guys ought to be drooling at the chance i provide for you,  to prove you actually have something.

                instead,  your crying about me,  because i am "picking apart" what you claim.

                as i stated before,  if a person is in a position of strength,  they throw out the welcome mat for all things scrutiny.

                the 1st person that can actually show they can truly "gain an edge",  i will homage them into my sig for the rest of my days at LP.

                hows that for an incentive plan?    lol

                VISIONnotanti"system"justantifalsehopeDUDE

                            "i am .........."meant to"       

                P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

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                  No matter  what you say no one is gonna stop using sytems that work for them your  just mad because NOTHING  works for you  when was the last time you won anything??? using a quick-pick??? systems and strategies do work otherwise no one would be using them you think they do it just because they have nothing better too do?? your criteria for what a winning system is has no bearing on what system  players consider  a working strategy if they never  won a dime using  other methods but win using a strategy,system or software then  obviously they have something that has helped them increase there chances of winning.Getting an edge on  the game means they have something that has increased there chances of winning and THEY WIN!! it's just that simple does not matter if they  profited or don't hit everyday,every other  day or every week if they can hit more than the odds dictate then the  strategy has served it's purpose.The  odds of winning  in the Pick-3 are 1 in a 1,000 this  means that every 1,000 draws you can expect at least 1 hit but if a player can get  1 hit every 10,15,20,30,50,70,100,200,300 or  even 500 draws they still  BEAT the odds because they hit more than  once in less  than 1,000 draws that is beating  the odds now if it  takes them 1,000 draws too get another hit they are at the expected odds but if it  takes  over  1,000 draws then they  shouldn't even be playing.

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                    Since the topic is PPs vs QPs and exclusive to PB and MM .    Why its this limited to this two games? May I ask  Hey Vision dude & Ct and others anti system people, you got me curious with your negativeness on picking winning numbers with systems vs Quick Picks and took it upon myself to do this small test started on July 10th that is when I started reading this post For Ga Cash3. I got 15 Qps from Lp server couldn’t get 12 so I got 15 and did not wanted to eliminate 5 it could have been the winners right? I picked 12 numbers of mine I got 13 on this linkhttp://www.lotterypost.com/thread/217024/1703638  that you can verify but got rid of 319 when doing my test.     THIS IN NO WAY SHAPE,FORM,GRADE OR WHATEVER IS A TEST OF MY SYSTEM I KNOW IT WORKS, BUT A COMPARISON QP VS SYS 1SYSTEM

                    12 my numbers vs 15 Quick pigs, ok how unfair is that!!

                    I still have the page of my notebook where I wrote down the Qp numbers, Lol I put lousy Qp with the date on it cause was a little annoyed with this nonsense.

                    Why didn’t I say something before you may ask? And now I will

                    Well because I don’t need to prove to anybody that systems do work, but for my fellows Lp members that might consider picking up your negativeness on systems might want to reconsider by looking at my results of the test. And if you wander why I use Graph Notebook, you are right there is a reason! For that.

                    I got 3 pink box hits the reds are Straight hits red don’t count for this test, I got those with another system. But I did count the cash I got Lol.

                    I did won with those reds don’t get me wrong! Yep I do have links for those too, posted before the drawings.

                    You have no idea how powerful it can be with 3 systems combined.

                    Better yet 3 systems and compare the numbers with some great predictors like foxylady,jrosina,pepper1 just to mention some.

                    O almost forgot I Didn’t see any winning numbers on my lousy “Quick Pigs List”

                    Crap first time in history I use Qp in p3 game and nothing, I hope it doesn’t come and bite this evening lol   bah

                     This is the test

                    I can't help being a little nonplused when somebody does a comparative study very quietly and then gives the results with hoopla and fanfare if they come out to their liking. Would you have posted the results if the QP's had prevailed? Kinda doubt it. Have the QP's ever prevailed? If not, then your system wins every time, congratulations.

                    But maybe you could do a comparison and post the numbers on each side before  you announce the findings. Don't write them on paper and post them later, post them first.

                    That would lend you some badly needed credibility.

                    Your picks just might fare better than the QP's legitimately.

                    Even a broken clock is right twice a day.


                                                                 
                                         
                                                             

                     

                     

                     

                     

                                                                                                                       

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                      I can't help being a little nonplused when somebody does a comparative study very quietly and then gives the results with hoopla and fanfare if they come out to their liking. Would you have posted the results if the QP's had prevailed? Kinda doubt it. Have the QP's ever prevailed? If not, then your system wins every time, congratulations.

                      But maybe you could do a comparison and post the numbers on each side before  you announce the findings. Don't write them on paper and post them later, post them first.

                      That would lend you some badly needed credibility.

                      Your picks just might fare better than the QP's legitimately.

                      Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

                      ridge another expert has showen up?..tiggs has pencil and paper and is ready for some winning numbers that will make tiggs rich..Can't wait!!!..Bring on the numbers oh great one!!!!...

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                        ridge another expert has showen up?..tiggs has pencil and paper and is ready for some winning numbers that will make tiggs rich..Can't wait!!!..Bring on the numbers oh great one!!!!...

                        tiggs did not mean you ridge tiggs meant Mastermind..

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                          tiggs did not mean you ridge tiggs meant Mastermind..

                          No is past 900 hours here I'm out of my mind now, Mastermind.

                          so whats up tiggs95 haven't LUCKY latetly?lol

                          If you want God to laugh, tell him your plans!

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                            No is past 900 hours here I'm out of my mind now, Mastermind.

                            so whats up tiggs95 haven't LUCKY latetly?lol

                            LUCK???...Thought you was an expert and diden't need LUCK..Need numbers now..oh great one..

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                              LUCK???...Thought you was an expert and diden't need LUCK..Need numbers now..oh great one..

                              That is right I'm making fun of you, been unlucky? yep I don't rely in luck, come we talked about this already

                              If you want God to laugh, tell him your plans!

                                 
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