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Statistically Speaking - QP's and PP's

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That is right I'm making fun of you, been unlucky? yep I don't rely in luck, come we talked about this already

tiggs want's you to know he agrees 100% in your blogg about <snip> Jane..Rock on with that..

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    tiggs want's you to know he agrees 100% in your blogg about <snip> Jane..Rock on with that..

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    O ok thanks it comes from a reliable source!

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      Posted: July 20, 2010, 10:21 pm - IP Logged

      tiggs want's you to know he agrees 100% in your blogg about <snip> Jane..Rock on with that..

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      sully agrees with tiggs.Hyper

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        tiggs gotta run but what's happen to YOUR Tigers sully..:):)..Later and keep the faith..

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          Mastermind

          For me discussions abougt QP usually refer to jackpot games.

          As for Pick 3 and Pick 4 I think even the staunchest system advocates here don't like RNGs, that is computerized drawings, and as for ping pong balls, as another poster here said not too long ago do you really think you can predict what three ping pong balls are going to do.

          If somebody is honestly hitting often enough to show a profit and not betting more to win less just to claim a win, more power to them.

          If they're hitting a dart board with a shotgun, so what.

          Your mileage may vary.

          Just a guess CT, but I'll bet 90% of all lottery terminals have dust on their Pick-3 QP button.

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            "Since the topic is PPs vs QPs and exclusive to PB and MM, the only real way to settle that debate would be for me to create a 46 combo wheel and post the tickets I bought and for you to buy 46 QPs and post those tickets too. I'm not going to risk at the very least $44 playing MM to prove a point and doubt you would risk $46 either".

             i got an even better idea...

            it won't cost us anything but time.

            you pick whatever methodology you would like to throw at it,  and post it here at LP,   pre-draw game specific.

            i will in turn post my "head my of top"  random QP's,  and we can see where that takes us.

            you would be the only one that accepted the challenge,  so you can add that up however you want. 

             personally,  i like a (person) who will stand up for what they got,  or don't have,  public scrutiny wise.

            too many banty roosters at LP.   all cluck.  no buck Turkey

            i did this years ago,  when i could find a brave soul to do it with.

            not bragging or anything - but i have never lost one of these challenges.

            i would love it if you could take down the QP king.     i don't mind batting  .750

             besides,  i couldn't brag about winning these "challenges"  anyway,  because it's random

            yes, no, maybe ?

             

            VISION

            You may have missed where I said "over time I believe the 46 combo wheel could show a profit" and where I said "I'm not going to risk at the very least $44 playing MM to prove a point". The 70% to 80% QPs statistic is from purchased tickets, not from "the top of my head" so any real test to compare my 46 combos to your 46 QPs could only be actually purchasing the tickets.

            When I played the 46 combo wheel when the jackpot was $150 million, the order the 56 numbers were placed in the wheel was random because I used the QP feature. The only difference between actually purchasing 46 QPs and playing the wheel is the wheel has guaranteed coverage. And the only way you could prove to me that 46 QPs would include all 46 bonus balls would be to show the tickets you purchased.

            You'll never hear me say the way I would play the 46 combo wheel is a good bet because the lowest odds of actually showing a profit on any one drawing is 300 to 1. Someone else might create a system where they choose the order the numbers are entered and be very successful.

            But, the next time the MM jackpot reaches $150 million I'll use the wheel, purchase the tickets, and post them before the drawing. And to make it fair, you can purchase up to 61 QPs because that falls right in the middle of the 70% to 80% ratio.

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              No matter  what you say no one is gonna stop using sytems that work for them your  just mad because NOTHING  works for you  when was the last time you won anything??? using a quick-pick??? systems and strategies do work otherwise no one would be using them you think they do it just because they have nothing better too do?? your criteria for what a winning system is has no bearing on what system  players consider  a working strategy if they never  won a dime using  other methods but win using a strategy,system or software then  obviously they have something that has helped them increase there chances of winning.Getting an edge on  the game means they have something that has increased there chances of winning and THEY WIN!! it's just that simple does not matter if they  profited or don't hit everyday,every other  day or every week if they can hit more than the odds dictate then the  strategy has served it's purpose.The  odds of winning  in the Pick-3 are 1 in a 1,000 this  means that every 1,000 draws you can expect at least 1 hit but if a player can get  1 hit every 10,15,20,30,50,70,100,200,300 or  even 500 draws they still  BEAT the odds because they hit more than  once in less  than 1,000 draws that is beating  the odds now if it  takes them 1,000 draws too get another hit they are at the expected odds but if it  takes  over  1,000 draws then they  shouldn't even be playing.

              "No matter  what you say no one is gonna stop using sytems that work for them your  just mad because NOTHING  works for you  when was the last time you won anything??? using a quick-pick???"

              you read what i wrote about how i feel both about "systems",  and not being the least bit concerned i haven't won stitch playing my 1QP.

              hopefully you can come up with a valid reason why you are suffering "memory loss".

              now,  because you won't accuretly replicate what i did say, i have to repeat my position(s).

              (1) i am not trying to "stop"  system use per se,  as i have already stated

               i am however concerned about the false hope attached to this debate,  so i debate it,  so someone can actually decide in an ambivalent way,  so they don't waste their time and money,  if in fact it doesn't work. 

              my "aim" is them. 

               it is not people like you,  because obviously with the amount of time you throw at it,  your hooked.

                (2)  i don't play for 2nd place,  so you can't "bust me"  on money i haven't won.  lol

              *******************************************************************************************

              "Getting an edge on  the game means they have something that has increased there chances of winning and THEY WIN!!"

              like i stated accuretly,  people talk about stuff like this all the time,  as if it's common place,  yet where are these people?

              fictitious winners circle. 

              that reminds me of all the commericals on TV about the young "beautiful people"  lining the aisles in the casino's,  but when you get there,  they are no where in sight.

              all pomp.  no circumstance.

              we know you won't demonstrate "getting an edge"  on your picking prowess,  you will keep talking about it as if it's "factual". 

              so about someone else?

              i asked for someone to actually show the board they can,  not keep talking about it like they can.

              i even made it easy on you guys.   

               just demonstrate you can manipulate "an edge". 

              or is it really that hard to do ???

               

                          "i am .........."meant to"       

              P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

                       until further notice,  it's  france everyday

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                Part of me feels if someone has a system and it works really well...they ain't gonna share it nor would they show how much they are winning...why? Greed and if people know they will never have a moments peace. 

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                  You may have missed where I said "over time I believe the 46 combo wheel could show a profit" and where I said "I'm not going to risk at the very least $44 playing MM to prove a point". The 70% to 80% QPs statistic is from purchased tickets, not from "the top of my head" so any real test to compare my 46 combos to your 46 QPs could only be actually purchasing the tickets.

                  When I played the 46 combo wheel when the jackpot was $150 million, the order the 56 numbers were placed in the wheel was random because I used the QP feature. The only difference between actually purchasing 46 QPs and playing the wheel is the wheel has guaranteed coverage. And the only way you could prove to me that 46 QPs would include all 46 bonus balls would be to show the tickets you purchased.

                  You'll never hear me say the way I would play the 46 combo wheel is a good bet because the lowest odds of actually showing a profit on any one drawing is 300 to 1. Someone else might create a system where they choose the order the numbers are entered and be very successful.

                  But, the next time the MM jackpot reaches $150 million I'll use the wheel, purchase the tickets, and post them before the drawing. And to make it fair, you can purchase up to 61 QPs because that falls right in the middle of the 70% to 80% ratio.

                  "............. so any real test to compare my 46 combos to your 46 QPs could only be actually purchasing the tickets.

                  ahhhh no. 

                    you seem like a nice person,  so i am going to be generous here,  and give you a 2nd chance at not backing out of the room. 

                  since i am postulating on what you stated,  the challenge is more than legit, and makes zero difference if it's only posted on LP pre-draw,  without any expenditures on either part.

                  i have to say,   does your "picks"  only come to life when they actually see that money is involved?

                  just do whatever your system demands of you,  tell me how many combo's that includes,  what game you favor,  and i will match the amount of combo's with my ...."head my of top"  random QP's.

                  this is not scientific.  i would recognize scientific if i saw it.

                   

                  so far,  i am willing to do my part,  but finding someone to step up and showcase their "skills",  once the claim they "can",    _______________ _____  <  --------- insert your name here.

                   

                  doesn't anyone wanna be immortalized into my sig?     lol

                              "i am .........."meant to"       

                  P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

                           until further notice,  it's  france everyday

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                    Part of me feels if someone has a system and it works really well...they ain't gonna share it nor would they show how much they are winning...why? Greed and if people know they will never have a moments peace. 

                    nope,  but you just handed "them" another excuse of why they "can't" though.    lol

                    it's an anonymous board that contains a block feature,  so that "possibility" can be controlled.

                    it certainly isn't the excuse of not wanting to "share" their hard work,  because "they" can pick a 3 number game that is parimutuel,  not split the pot (so to speak), etc,   and they can still showcase their "skills".

                    really.......it's because no one can  (so far that i have witnessed anyway).

                    a "semi-apology"  for flooding the board,  yet i couldn't allow this to not be addressed,  and therefore be tossed on top of the "excuse heap".

                     

                    gee,  after this threads done,  i won't have any "friends" left on LP..........lol

                    poor vision.  he's such a killjoy  Thud

                                "i am .........."meant to"       

                    P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

                             until further notice,  it's  france everyday

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                      Part of me feels if someone has a system and it works really well...they ain't gonna share it nor would they show how much they are winning...why? Greed and if people know they will never have a moments peace. 

                      Good post and I agree with you 100%. Personally, I believe this goes hand in hand with UFO sightings as there are some who have actually seen them, and, others that haven't. This is why the government can pretty much say what they want about actual sightings which have been validated...like the recent one in China.

                      The people are split in terms of belief because of those which have never witnessed such a thing...ever. Yet, the stories, pictures, and documentaries had to evolve from somewhere at some point in time. But, the problem is that in the midst of all the "hardcore proof" is also a ton a fictitious and fabricated B.S... i.e none-fiction junk to throw everyone off so they don't go ballistic and freak out over the existence of "other life forms". 

                      Divide and conquer the weak...then control them. When they see the real thing, they won't recognize it and pass it off as a fake man-made apparatus. Mission accomplished. Contrary to popular belief, those that know for certain are never bothered too much because they are deemed crazy and uninformed...delusional about what they've really seen. These individuals hold the secrets, although the government knows exactly what these people know as well.

                      It's a win- win for the government. If only a small percentage of people know about the real deal and make money with it, then so be it. The majority of unbelievers still rule in the end which keeps the value of the TRUE STORIES and PROOF extremely high. Certain people know when they see the truth out there. They also know when they see stuff which is "FAKE-TITIOUS".

                      Once people do see the real deal, they'll never really have a moments rest...and that's no joke. It'll consume them and make them want more. When they don't get it, they have withdrawl symptoms and can't leave their computers all day for checking to see if anyone else has seen what they saw. In the end, it's all conspiracy at its' best and only those who are truly acclimated to such instances will survive the truth...

                      I BELIEVE.

                       

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                        Part of me feels if someone has a system and it works really well...they ain't gonna share it nor would they show how much they are winning...why? Greed and if people know they will never have a moments peace. 

                        I don't know what you would call working really well but if a system improved a player odds of winning by 200% or better, probably only that player would ever know. 

                        Odds of winning a pick3 game going from 1:1000 to 1:500 wouldn't impress most other players.  Same way with odds of winning a PB jackpot going from 1:195M to 1:100M or its overall odds of winning a prize going from 1:35 to 1:20.

                        For the average player winning a $3-$7 prize for every 20 PB lines played isn't worth bragging about but to a system player it would prove he was on to something and with odds of 1:100M of winning a PB jackpot, he could play a life time and still probably never win one.

                         * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                           
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                          I don't know what you would call working really well but if a system improved a player odds of winning by 200% or better, probably only that player would ever know. 

                          Odds of winning a pick3 game going from 1:1000 to 1:500 wouldn't impress most other players.  Same way with odds of winning a PB jackpot going from 1:195M to 1:100M or its overall odds of winning a prize going from 1:35 to 1:20.

                          For the average player winning a $3-$7 prize for every 20 PB lines played isn't worth bragging about but to a system player it would prove he was on to something and with odds of 1:100M of winning a PB jackpot, he could play a life time and still probably never win one.

                          I would call "working really well" making a profit and getting top prizes on a regular bases...depending on the game though...mostly making a profit.

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                            I would call "working really well" making a profit and getting top prizes on a regular bases...depending on the game though...mostly making a profit.

                            I take it that for you, a system that simply gives you an edge with no guarantees of making a profit isn't "working really well".   That's setting the bar pretty high, so high that such a system may never exist.

                             * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                               
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                              I am confused by the OP's 1st post.

                              Is it a fact that of all large winners(say above $10,000) 70% are QPs?  If so, the machine has a tendency to pick same numbers.  This has to be a programming glitch.  As a programmer, I can assure everyone here there is no such thing as randomness.  The NSA has been trying really hard to achieve true randomness for many years. 

                              If I am playing 5 games of Pick10, unless I use same numbers 7 days, then I would go with QP; if in a pool with 5 people, each picks 10 numbers, winnings divided by 5, then PP.

                                 
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