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Why Do Mathematicians Consider The Lottery Random

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RJOh's avatar - chipmunk
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Talking about roulettee brought back some memories of Sedertree and his discussions on roulettee.

Here is one of his post about his playing method.

http://www.lotterypost.com/thread/62627

He spent a lot of time writing about gambling and playing lotteries and at the time seemed to be developing some good theories, I wonder if he was ever successful at either.  I wonder some times if some of the older timers gave up or just ran out of time.

 * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
   
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    One called Book Sense and one called Common Sense.Everything has a pattern.

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      One called Book Sense and one called Common Sense.Everything has a pattern.

      I don't recall him writing anything like that, but then I didn't follow him during his days at Maybell.

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        I don't really believe it.

         

        Hell for 600 draws he'd have to win about 1750 a draw, every draw, after his spendings to get that much.

         

        It's really not likely.  And your point's valid, too - how the hell's he going to go about withdrawing that huge amount of cash?

        Obviously you and Stack aren't aware of how that one paticular offshore betting place has many ways to cash out. Do you really believe he waited till there was 1.1 million to cash out? They allow several ways to cash out in increments. One way my friend used is wire transfer money to a Canadian bank. The other way that some people I personally know, is that they request an 800 max payout per week via moneygram which is the way I'd do it.


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          I don't know if I should mention it....

           

          But that's what we call Gambler's Fallacy haha.

           

          On the upside, at least thereotically, you should lose less because you'll be playing slower.

          Ok, Mr. know-it-all...You're right about everything even when you have no clue how it even works. I'm guessing you have the cure to all cancers too....Crazy


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            Talking about roulettee brought back some memories of Sedertree and his discussions on roulettee.

            Here is one of his post about his playing method.

            http://www.lotterypost.com/thread/62627

            It's just ABSOLUTELY impossible that Sedertree made 3 grand and then 11 grand using that roulette method because Boney said so. He's the leading authority on all systems and his computer simulations by the math gurus proved it, even though the gurus had no specific info on the systems used...it's an amazing feat. Boney, you and those gurus should get a Nobel prize for ESP...

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              It's just ABSOLUTELY impossible that Sedertree made 3 grand and then 11 grand using that roulette method because Boney said so. He's the leading authority on all systems and his computer simulations by the math gurus proved it, even though the gurus had no specific info on the systems used...it's an amazing feat. Boney, you and those gurus should get a Nobel prize for ESP...

              Does anyone have a copy of Sedertree's 60/40 program?

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                Posted: August 29, 2011, 4:49 pm - IP Logged

                It's just ABSOLUTELY impossible that Sedertree made 3 grand and then 11 grand using that roulette method because Boney said so. He's the leading authority on all systems and his computer simulations by the math gurus proved it, even though the gurus had no specific info on the systems used...it's an amazing feat. Boney, you and those gurus should get a Nobel prize for ESP...

                I never said that.

                 

                It's actually very possible.

                 

                If you had a quarter of a brain then you'd understand that my claim is that of course it's possible, it's just not more likely than if you didn't wait out for whatever coniditions you need, since all spins have the same chance of landing anywhere.

                 

                Waiting out for 10 spins doesn't make it more likely that the next spin will contain your winner.

                 

                There's simply no such thing as a system which changes the house edge of a bet.  That's fact.  There are plenty of systems which change the risks vs. rewards and systems that ask for you to change where your bets are on Hot/Cold numbers, and whatever, and that's fine.  The former have a point to them, I just think some  are very unadvisable to play while some are actually safer to play.

                 

                None of that changes the HOUSE EDGE while you're convinced you can have a POSITIVE EXPECTATION all I'm trying to explain is that no matter how your bets are placed, ordered, configured, sized, distriubuted, etc. none of that changes the HOUSE EDGE, since it is .0526/5.26% or .0263/ 2.63% on EVERY BET PLACED (with the exception of En Prison rules) on a roulette wheel.  All that means is that for every bet is paid AS IF THERE WERE 36 numbers and there are 38, or 37 on a Eurpean table, so rather than having a similar amount won to lost THE HOUSE GETS A LITTLE MORE THAN THE PLAYERS, ON AVERAGE.  That means over a few days - many people come and go, some win some lose, some use systems, some don't.  In the end, the house ends up with AROUND 5.26% of all wagered bets, unless some High Roller comes in and skews that data.

                 

                I'm NOT SAYING SOMEBODY CAN'T WIN USING A SYSTEM.  I'm saying that the system is either designed to make winning more likely, at a bigger risk, or winning overall less likely with less risk, or some mixture of the two.  Or anything else they can imagine.  There's never been a system found to dent the HOUSE EDGE.  Or at least that's what the casinos say, and they've been doing pretty well.

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                  Posted: August 29, 2011, 4:53 pm - IP Logged

                  Obviously you and Stack aren't aware of how that one paticular offshore betting place has many ways to cash out. Do you really believe he waited till there was 1.1 million to cash out? They allow several ways to cash out in increments. One way my friend used is wire transfer money to a Canadian bank. The other way that some people I personally know, is that they request an 800 max payout per week via moneygram which is the way I'd do it.

                  No I meant that he better not evade the taxes if this really happened, or he could get an a mess of trouble, assuming he's an American.


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                    I never said that.

                     

                    It's actually very possible.

                     

                    If you had a quarter of a brain then you'd understand that my claim is that of course it's possible, it's just not more likely than if you didn't wait out for whatever coniditions you need, since all spins have the same chance of landing anywhere.

                     

                    Waiting out for 10 spins doesn't make it more likely that the next spin will contain your winner.

                     

                    There's simply no such thing as a system which changes the house edge of a bet.  That's fact.  There are plenty of systems which change the risks vs. rewards and systems that ask for you to change where your bets are on Hot/Cold numbers, and whatever, and that's fine.  The former have a point to them, I just think some  are very unadvisable to play while some are actually safer to play.

                     

                    None of that changes the HOUSE EDGE while you're convinced you can have a POSITIVE EXPECTATION all I'm trying to explain is that no matter how your bets are placed, ordered, configured, sized, distriubuted, etc. none of that changes the HOUSE EDGE, since it is .0526/5.26% or .0263/ 2.63% on EVERY BET PLACED (with the exception of En Prison rules) on a roulette wheel.  All that means is that for every bet is paid AS IF THERE WERE 36 numbers and there are 38, or 37 on a Eurpean table, so rather than having a similar amount won to lost THE HOUSE GETS A LITTLE MORE THAN THE PLAYERS, ON AVERAGE.  That means over a few days - many people come and go, some win some lose, some use systems, some don't.  In the end, the house ends up with AROUND 5.26% of all wagered bets, unless some High Roller comes in and skews that data.

                     

                    I'm NOT SAYING SOMEBODY CAN'T WIN USING A SYSTEM.  I'm saying that the system is either designed to make winning more likely, at a bigger risk, or winning overall less likely with less risk, or some mixture of the two.  Or anything else they can imagine.  There's never been a system found to dent the HOUSE EDGE.  Or at least that's what the casinos say, and they've been doing pretty well.

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                    You're absolutely right Boney.


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                      No I meant that he better not evade the taxes if this really happened, or he could get an a mess of trouble, assuming he's an American.

                      You're absolutely right Boney.

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                        You're absolutely right Boney.

                        That's more like it! Thumbs Up


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                          Does anyone have a copy of Sedertree's 60/40 program?

                          Why waste your time looking it over? Boney told us everything we need to know about every system out there. Didn't you read what he wrote? Get with the program already...

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                            Why waste your time looking it over? Boney told us everything we need to know about every system out there. Didn't you read what he wrote? Get with the program already...

                            Since he's interested tell him.

                             

                            I actually know nothing about the system.  Not that I care - but that guy's certainly interested why don't you stop being a child and help him out?

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                              I never said that.

                               

                              It's actually very possible.

                               

                              If you had a quarter of a brain then you'd understand that my claim is that of course it's possible, it's just not more likely than if you didn't wait out for whatever coniditions you need, since all spins have the same chance of landing anywhere.

                               

                              Waiting out for 10 spins doesn't make it more likely that the next spin will contain your winner.

                               

                              There's simply no such thing as a system which changes the house edge of a bet.  That's fact.  There are plenty of systems which change the risks vs. rewards and systems that ask for you to change where your bets are on Hot/Cold numbers, and whatever, and that's fine.  The former have a point to them, I just think some  are very unadvisable to play while some are actually safer to play.

                               

                              None of that changes the HOUSE EDGE while you're convinced you can have a POSITIVE EXPECTATION all I'm trying to explain is that no matter how your bets are placed, ordered, configured, sized, distriubuted, etc. none of that changes the HOUSE EDGE, since it is .0526/5.26% or .0263/ 2.63% on EVERY BET PLACED (with the exception of En Prison rules) on a roulette wheel.  All that means is that for every bet is paid AS IF THERE WERE 36 numbers and there are 38, or 37 on a Eurpean table, so rather than having a similar amount won to lost THE HOUSE GETS A LITTLE MORE THAN THE PLAYERS, ON AVERAGE.  That means over a few days - many people come and go, some win some lose, some use systems, some don't.  In the end, the house ends up with AROUND 5.26% of all wagered bets, unless some High Roller comes in and skews that data.

                               

                              I'm NOT SAYING SOMEBODY CAN'T WIN USING A SYSTEM.  I'm saying that the system is either designed to make winning more likely, at a bigger risk, or winning overall less likely with less risk, or some mixture of the two.  Or anything else they can imagine.  There's never been a system found to dent the HOUSE EDGE.  Or at least that's what the casinos say, and they've been doing pretty well.

                              Merriam-Webster: A logical operator that retur

                              "Waiting out for 10 spins doesn't make it more likely that the next spin will contain your winner"

                              I realize you're talking about roulette here, but do you have the same opinion on draws in for example pick3?

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