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I'm not following the logic as to why, with approximately the same amount of tickets still available, you see 200MS as statistically better. It's been around almost 4 times as long and has a less (by only 2% granted) percentage of grand prizes left.

Perhaps, for lateness, you misread what I wrote. 

Though both games have gotten to a point where the difference in available tickets is moot(read: now the number of tickets between them is small enough that it's irrelevant, but this wasn't always the case), for a long time $200MS had far, far fewer tickets in the wild (read: over, for instance, the last year, $200MS has been in much lower supply than 50X, but 50X being bought at a higher rate has now nearly caught them up). Though it might not be much different now (read: the number of tickets is effectively the same between the two games now--even if 50X has twice as many out there, the number is so small it doesn't matter; refer again to first statement), chasing $200MS has made (past tense) more sense statistically.

And while I've prioritized $200MS historically, I started buying back into 50X about a month ago and have cleared several books.

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    Oldghost, I dont understand what you meant by the following:

    "only because 26 of them show one one way to win, and 7 on the other. (That's 90% of the first one, and 97% of the second way won). The way to win with 27 left is likely the tickets where 1 number matches and had people toss them out (jeez that'd suck for them, thankfully they'll never know)."

    How do you know 26 of them show one way to win and not other way around?

    Similarly, for 50X Cash game, how do you know the third way (last one) should be a single matching number? Why can't it be two or three matching numbers?

    The FLRules sheet shows the number of prizes for each way you can win a prize on a ticket. So if you can win $100 by matching 10 numbers worth $10 each it lists that, and the number of tickets that have that method. And it does this for each way to win $100 (and for every prize amount). The last one on the sheet is always the way to win the prize by matching a single number. The instant liability report appears to follow this method.

    Also, in the instant liability report, the prize amounts with the most remaining is always the last of each amount. So if you look at the 50x instant liability report you'll see $10 listed three times. The third appearance has the most remaining. Read down the sheet, there is a pattern that the last one listed for each amount has more available. It is most likely that matching 1 number is missed more often than any other method of winning, so it cannot be a coincidence that on each of the prize amounts, the last one listed is consistently around 3% more available.

    Hope this answers your question and makes sense, I just woke up.

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      Hold on hold on.... something is WAY off....

       

      The 50x report shows 225,061 prizes outstanding

      if there are a mere 30 books remaining, thats only  1800 tickets.

       

      Something is way way way off with the numbers. 

      If those numbers are right, there would either have to be something like  3,800 books remaining with every single ticket being a winner, or if going by the odds, more like 10k books remaining..

      or...

      thousands upon thousands of people have thrown away winning tickets

      or

      The lottery has disposed of nearly 9,950ish books along with all of their prizes.

      Either way.. if this all adds up, there is only about a .005% chance of a grand prize remaining.

      And the 200MS ILR shows $9,037,725 remaining with 317536 prizes. Some can be accounted for. Any prize that is won by matching a single number, it appears that about 3% of them are thrown away. I don't feel like doing all that math but you can go down the line and just assume the same dollar amount remaining for each prize level. (So with 200 MS, two ways to win $10, one shows $483,240 left and the other shows $828,220 - assume both are $483,240 each ... and on down the list). This link to 200MS ILR should work better, I see my last one was broken.

      What you said, is why I think playing 200MS has less odds. Because it's been around longer so the instant liability report (ILR) is likely further off than with 50x as there's been more time for tickets to be damaged/destroyed/lost (whatever excuse FL Lotto uses).

      And not that it matters, but I believe 50x has more than 30 left. Someone said 35 at AK. And I know 15 at Vero. Plus whatever is littered across the state. Marginally more, though not much. I still expect one grand prize out there, and my money would be on those two low numbered books at AK - if I had the time to drive there and the cash to buy those two books. In the meantime, I'm going to slowly pick off the tickets at Vero.

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        Perhaps, for lateness, you misread what I wrote. 

        Though both games have gotten to a point where the difference in available tickets is moot(read: now the number of tickets between them is small enough that it's irrelevant, but this wasn't always the case), for a long time $200MS had far, far fewer tickets in the wild (read: over, for instance, the last year, $200MS has been in much lower supply than 50X, but 50X being bought at a higher rate has now nearly caught them up). Though it might not be much different now (read: the number of tickets is effectively the same between the two games now--even if 50X has twice as many out there, the number is so small it doesn't matter; refer again to first statement), chasing $200MS has made (past tense) more sense statistically.

        And while I've prioritized $200MS historically, I started buying back into 50X about a month ago and have cleared several books.

        Awesome response.

        Though I was asking why CURRENTLY (read: present tense) I don't understand why someone would chase 200MS, given the reasons I previously stated in the post you originally responded to, over 50X. I didn't need a history lesson as to why you played it a lot in the past, it's irrelevant now.

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          I live 30 mins from there and until 3 months ago I lived 10 years in gville. Anyone interested in splitting a book or two on the low numbers at AK?

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            Awesome response.

            Though I was asking why CURRENTLY (read: present tense) I don't understand why someone would chase 200MS, given the reasons I previously stated in the post you originally responded to, over 50X. I didn't need a history lesson as to why you played it a lot in the past, it's irrelevant now.

            Well .... chasing that $10 Holiday Gifts cuz they liked it and wanted the big win from it (even when it burned them many times) certainly paid off ... maybe the $200MS is a gut instinct and it too will pay off for him

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              Well .... chasing that $10 Holiday Gifts cuz they liked it and wanted the big win from it (even when it burned them many times) certainly paid off ... maybe the $200MS is a gut instinct and it too will pay off for him

              Oh I understood chasing $10 Holiday. It was new, had both grand prizes left, and I doubt FL Lotto was going to let that one end with none of the grand prizes won. I think that'd piss people off to no end. And I could certainly be wrong about 200MS. My point was simply that with its age, the odds of a destroyed ticket are higher than 50x which all the numbers looked better for (age, percent of grand prizes supposedly left).

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                Lol. Already one of the $2 Monopoly grand prizes claimed.

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                  Either FL Lotto is playing huge game here (or) lot of tickets have been destroyed and lost.

                  I have been in touch with FL Lotto Office in Miami regularly for the last one month and I told the Sales Manger that there are lot of discrepancies between the list of stores they say that they have  200 MS games and the list in reality as I contacted all of them but none of them either received it or activated it. She in turn contacted Sales Rep.s through email and included me in the email. But, there was no response from them Sales Rep. for more than a week. When I went to DO today and tried to do a follow up on this, she said it could be the books were damaged or stolen!!!! I didn't expect this type of response. I couldn't push her to get more details on this????!!!!

                  When this happens it's because prizes were thrown away from rolls or are still waiting to be claimed.  They could of simply lost the book as depending on the retailer they have two options to pay for the rolls.  They can pay upon 90% of the roll being paid out or they can pay 90 days after book activation.  The rolls show up on the FL Lotto books until they are completely claimed.  The reason I know this is, because we used to go to a bunch of promotions and I would have 10-20 books of 5 dollar tickets.  When the game was close to the end of the game and I hadn't cashed out the rolls we would ask for a list of the rolls left.  What we found was that all the stores that showed remaining books "which really didn't have any" were stores that we hadn't cashed the tickets out on yet or stores where prizes were thrown in the trash.  All rolls that show remaining that aren't remaining or lost/tickets not claimed/or tickets thrown away.

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                    I saw your other detailed analysis post Zeb, very interesting. So I have a question.

                    We have a guy here (EMTAdam) that managed to beat the odds and won 2 Jackpots ($2M and $250K). In FL, we have 2 major games near the end of their run, both $10 games (50X the Cash) and ($200 Million Spectacular).

                    The 200MS game has run for what seems like forever and was projected to last 10 years. There were a total of 20 Grand Prizes of $1 Million. The bulk of those were won in the first 5 years. There's supposedly 2 Grand Prizes left in this game. Gatorsrok was able to get the FL Lottery to give him the winning roll information on Jackpot winners 17 (around 493K) and 18 (519K). The odds are around 1 in 1,500,000 and approximately 30,000,000 tickets were printed so on average there would be a jackpot winner around every 25,000. The game is in very short supply and we suspect there may be as few as 50-60 Active/Received books for sale in the entire state with the vast bulk of these books residing in the North Central FL area (Gainesville, Daytona, etc). The game is virtually unavailable in all of Florida south of State Road 70 going all the way to the Keys, and beyond Panama City in the Panhandle. Of these remaining books, most appear to be in the range of where a jackpot would be found (we're assuming none of the previous winners won on a roll higher than 519K). Without knowing the roll information of the rest of the winners, I'm not sure the other jackpot is still there, but it's possible. Although this game is supposedly unorderable, there are shops such as AK in Gainesville that through reps they are able to get more books. So I'm a little concerned if we have all the books in the market that were going to get for this game. Now my question is this. We have someone that can now practically buy out the game and the geography they'd have to cover is not too bad to do it. Is it worth it? And do you think a jackpot is hiding in one of these remaining rolls?

                    In the 50X game, there are supposedly 3 Jackpot winners remaining. This one is a little more iffy. The FL Lottery facebook page had tickets posted of winners of the 20th (591K), 17th (516K), and 16th Jackpots (491K). There are a total of 24 Jackpots in this game and the rolls appear to go up to 625K, and based on the odds in this game, the two jackpots for the 18th and 19th winners would fit comfortably in between 516K and 591K. I don't have the information for the 21st winner, but if he won on a book above 591K I'm thinking the rest of rolls are junk. Like 200MS the supply of this game is dwindling, probably down to less than 100 books statewide. Again, the vast supply of these books are in North Central Florida and most are roll numbers in the 500K, 600K range or higher. Last week I went to a store in Gainesville that has 36 books of 50X the Cash! Most of their books also fall in this range, but oddly enough they just got an order on the 6/21 of a book with what has to be the lowest roll number remaining (19K) and also had one at (46K) and a few in the 300K range. We don't know as much on this game as we do on 200MS, but if someone can buy out this game, should they, or should they get the winning roll information first? That super-low roll numbers really tempted me, but I've held off.

                    This is going to take awhile to answer this, but I'll do my best to break it down for you.  The reason I say it's very predictable especially off the front is due to the way the machines print the first prize or the way these are ordered.  To answer this fully you have to understand how they order these games and how they are shipped.  Also, if you fully want to know when they post a top prize drive to the store or call it to get the book number information.  This is how I figured out how predictable they are.  It's a machine with parameters it can only be as predicable as a man allows it and the more rules you give it the more predictable it becomes.

                     

                    Games this large are ordered fully, but they are shipped in sections.  To make this simpler let's take the 7 million cash spectacular in our state.

                    https://www.hoosierlottery.com/games/scratch-offs/current-games/2090-$7000000-mega-ca$h

                     

                    There are 3 Grand Prizes of 7 million dollars, however they purchase the tickets in 3 sections and each section the ticket color changes.  After the first run the tickets changed from silver to blue.  A week later the jackpot was hit on the silver version aka meaning you should no longer buy any of the silver tickets.  I know this doesn't apply to your 200 Million Spectacular, but you get the jist of large printed games.  They are very sectionalized and make sure when taking delivery of a section from a distributor that it's got the right amount of prizes.  How this gives you an advantage is if you know someone who works at the warehouse and then you can take advantage.  They also sent it out in the last section of tickets.  If I see tickets changing color on the next time around I will undoubtedly go out looking for the old blue tickets as they send the last "Grand Prize" out in the last 1% to 2% to ensure their profits.  I don't know anyone unfortunately in the warehouse, but I wanted to give this as an example.  Establishing this for grand prize games is key to figuring out when a Grand Prize is sent out.

                     

                    Another way to analyze games is when they go to get closed.  If they haven't closed the game yet, I'm guessing they haven't taken delivery of the last section of tickets from the distributor or made the decision to take delivery.  If a game is "truly" out at the warehouse they are regulated by law to set an end date for the game.  If they are dragging their feet it just may be the incompetence of the lottery.  Although advantages for the last top prize is this.  The last top prize is almost always released in the last 1-2% of the tickets remaining the reason being is they want to ensure their profits.  Off a big print like this game it's virtually assured it will be in the last 1%-2% which they are legally allowed to do via ticket pooling.  Also, you never know what the people that control the release of the tickets are doing.  They could have a last section they haven't released of "overage" and the last grand prize.

                     

                    Why the Texas Lottery Rocks:

                     

                    http://www.txlottery.org/export/sites/lottery/Games/Scratch_Offs/retailerswhosoldtopprizes.html_252729400.html

                     

                    They post the book numbers, so there really is no guessing sections.  I had to drive around to the stores in Indiana to do this inconspicuously.  I found a very alarming pattern especially off the front of games with similar print numbers.  I figure this is how Joan Gunther did it and why she picked Texas. 

                    So the math which I've see you have mostly done I just had to do some myself as I'm not used to the 60 ticket rolls.

                    30,000,000 +/-4% (It's always +4% (Legal way to expand your margins).

                    31,200,000 (Probably a little less or exact)  520,000 books

                    Which means 1 every 26,000 books.

                     

                    The one hit on 519 is the very last one in the game and I would  not play any number in 493k or higher.  Those were almost exactly almost 26k books apart which would of been easy predict off the end of the game, because you know that the last prize is going to be in the last 1% or 2% of tickets, because men are stupid and it's a given, because it has to be a given.  The way they combat this here is to randomize the release of this say I'll release the middle of the game then the end and finally the start.

                     

                    I'm guessing they have some returned tickets that haven't been processed that could hold a jackpot and it's going to be from one of the first pools.  The first pools are risky, because said persons could of thrown away the ticket as the game is new and they might not of really known what they were doing.  I would play anything 473k an lower.  The reason I say 473 is it's not uncommon for the machine to print (jackpots in the middle of the print that are way below threshold of the 26k).  As random as possible is what they state and what I mean is this.

                     

                    Say you have a 1 in 6k book chance of winning 1 in 5 top prizes.  30k books. 

                     

                    You could see something like this and can learn this from studying Texas or if you were my best friend I'd give you the info I have on the HL.

                    (Hypothetical)

                    5673 1st top prize

                    11013 2nd top prize

                    22137 3rd top prize

                    22138 4th top prize

                    29845 5th top prize

                     

                    The first is typically very and the last is typically very predictable.  NOT Always is it this way as the reason I state I have about a 20% error of margin for a given section. 

                     

                    I could blabber all day, but I need to eat lunch and sometime I'll explain how i predicted successfully which city a top prize would be in based off the distribution patterns.  Of course they randomized them to "hell", so I couldn't do it anymore, but I could still tell you a section.  Also, there's a standard place where they typically lay in sections and if you do the math and collect the data you can give yourself another edge or you can believe math is random.

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                      This is going to take awhile to answer this, but I'll do my best to break it down for you.  The reason I say it's very predictable especially off the front is due to the way the machines print the first prize or the way these are ordered.  To answer this fully you have to understand how they order these games and how they are shipped.  Also, if you fully want to know when they post a top prize drive to the store or call it to get the book number information.  This is how I figured out how predictable they are.  It's a machine with parameters it can only be as predicable as a man allows it and the more rules you give it the more predictable it becomes.

                       

                      Games this large are ordered fully, but they are shipped in sections.  To make this simpler let's take the 7 million cash spectacular in our state.

                      https://www.hoosierlottery.com/games/scratch-offs/current-games/2090-$7000000-mega-ca$h

                       

                      There are 3 Grand Prizes of 7 million dollars, however they purchase the tickets in 3 sections and each section the ticket color changes.  After the first run the tickets changed from silver to blue.  A week later the jackpot was hit on the silver version aka meaning you should no longer buy any of the silver tickets.  I know this doesn't apply to your 200 Million Spectacular, but you get the jist of large printed games.  They are very sectionalized and make sure when taking delivery of a section from a distributor that it's got the right amount of prizes.  How this gives you an advantage is if you know someone who works at the warehouse and then you can take advantage.  They also sent it out in the last section of tickets.  If I see tickets changing color on the next time around I will undoubtedly go out looking for the old blue tickets as they send the last "Grand Prize" out in the last 1% to 2% to ensure their profits.  I don't know anyone unfortunately in the warehouse, but I wanted to give this as an example.  Establishing this for grand prize games is key to figuring out when a Grand Prize is sent out.

                       

                      Another way to analyze games is when they go to get closed.  If they haven't closed the game yet, I'm guessing they haven't taken delivery of the last section of tickets from the distributor or made the decision to take delivery.  If a game is "truly" out at the warehouse they are regulated by law to set an end date for the game.  If they are dragging their feet it just may be the incompetence of the lottery.  Although advantages for the last top prize is this.  The last top prize is almost always released in the last 1-2% of the tickets remaining the reason being is they want to ensure their profits.  Off a big print like this game it's virtually assured it will be in the last 1%-2% which they are legally allowed to do via ticket pooling.  Also, you never know what the people that control the release of the tickets are doing.  They could have a last section they haven't released of "overage" and the last grand prize.

                       

                      Why the Texas Lottery Rocks:

                       

                      http://www.txlottery.org/export/sites/lottery/Games/Scratch_Offs/retailerswhosoldtopprizes.html_252729400.html

                       

                      They post the book numbers, so there really is no guessing sections.  I had to drive around to the stores in Indiana to do this inconspicuously.  I found a very alarming pattern especially off the front of games with similar print numbers.  I figure this is how Joan Gunther did it and why she picked Texas. 

                      So the math which I've see you have mostly done I just had to do some myself as I'm not used to the 60 ticket rolls.

                      30,000,000 +/-4% (It's always +4% (Legal way to expand your margins).

                      31,200,000 (Probably a little less or exact)  520,000 books

                      Which means 1 every 26,000 books.

                       

                      The one hit on 519 is the very last one in the game and I would  not play any number in 493k or higher.  Those were almost exactly almost 26k books apart which would of been easy predict off the end of the game, because you know that the last prize is going to be in the last 1% or 2% of tickets, because men are stupid and it's a given, because it has to be a given.  The way they combat this here is to randomize the release of this say I'll release the middle of the game then the end and finally the start.

                       

                      I'm guessing they have some returned tickets that haven't been processed that could hold a jackpot and it's going to be from one of the first pools.  The first pools are risky, because said persons could of thrown away the ticket as the game is new and they might not of really known what they were doing.  I would play anything 473k an lower.  The reason I say 473 is it's not uncommon for the machine to print (jackpots in the middle of the print that are way below threshold of the 26k).  As random as possible is what they state and what I mean is this.

                       

                      Say you have a 1 in 6k book chance of winning 1 in 5 top prizes.  30k books. 

                       

                      You could see something like this and can learn this from studying Texas or if you were my best friend I'd give you the info I have on the HL.

                      (Hypothetical)

                      5673 1st top prize

                      11013 2nd top prize

                      22137 3rd top prize

                      22138 4th top prize

                      29845 5th top prize

                       

                      The first is typically very and the last is typically very predictable.  NOT Always is it this way as the reason I state I have about a 20% error of margin for a given section. 

                       

                      I could blabber all day, but I need to eat lunch and sometime I'll explain how i predicted successfully which city a top prize would be in based off the distribution patterns.  Of course they randomized them to "hell", so I couldn't do it anymore, but I could still tell you a section.  Also, there's a standard place where they typically lay in sections and if you do the math and collect the data you can give yourself another edge or you can believe math is random.

                      If there are books above 520k it means they reordered more prizes and didn't update the documentation.  I haven't been following the exacts of what the roll numbers are, but I would buy above 520k if there are books that are higher as it simply means they reordered prizes which just adds to the end of the game.  I could see this happening, but a lottery will usually print that they were reordered which simply adds prizes.  Usually this is only done because they messed up with the pooling and they gave away 3 of the 20 top prizes off the front of the game which caused the remaining tickets left to go out of scue with the remaining top prizes which will drop sales.  So they'll add more top prizes to close the gap and keep people happy.

                       

                      Hypothectically if they reordered two prizes:

                      520+26+26

                      572k

                      I'd buy 542k-550k and 569-572k.

                       

                      Lastly you guys will cause me to drop a couple grand extra on the FL lotto based off of this thread when i go on vacation.  I enjoy people who have a passion (or addiction :)) the same as I.

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                        This is going to take awhile to answer this, but I'll do my best to break it down for you.  The reason I say it's very predictable especially off the front is due to the way the machines print the first prize or the way these are ordered.  To answer this fully you have to understand how they order these games and how they are shipped.  Also, if you fully want to know when they post a top prize drive to the store or call it to get the book number information.  This is how I figured out how predictable they are.  It's a machine with parameters it can only be as predicable as a man allows it and the more rules you give it the more predictable it becomes.

                         

                        Games this large are ordered fully, but they are shipped in sections.  To make this simpler let's take the 7 million cash spectacular in our state.

                        https://www.hoosierlottery.com/games/scratch-offs/current-games/2090-$7000000-mega-ca$h

                         

                        There are 3 Grand Prizes of 7 million dollars, however they purchase the tickets in 3 sections and each section the ticket color changes.  After the first run the tickets changed from silver to blue.  A week later the jackpot was hit on the silver version aka meaning you should no longer buy any of the silver tickets.  I know this doesn't apply to your 200 Million Spectacular, but you get the jist of large printed games.  They are very sectionalized and make sure when taking delivery of a section from a distributor that it's got the right amount of prizes.  How this gives you an advantage is if you know someone who works at the warehouse and then you can take advantage.  They also sent it out in the last section of tickets.  If I see tickets changing color on the next time around I will undoubtedly go out looking for the old blue tickets as they send the last "Grand Prize" out in the last 1% to 2% to ensure their profits.  I don't know anyone unfortunately in the warehouse, but I wanted to give this as an example.  Establishing this for grand prize games is key to figuring out when a Grand Prize is sent out.

                         

                        Another way to analyze games is when they go to get closed.  If they haven't closed the game yet, I'm guessing they haven't taken delivery of the last section of tickets from the distributor or made the decision to take delivery.  If a game is "truly" out at the warehouse they are regulated by law to set an end date for the game.  If they are dragging their feet it just may be the incompetence of the lottery.  Although advantages for the last top prize is this.  The last top prize is almost always released in the last 1-2% of the tickets remaining the reason being is they want to ensure their profits.  Off a big print like this game it's virtually assured it will be in the last 1%-2% which they are legally allowed to do via ticket pooling.  Also, you never know what the people that control the release of the tickets are doing.  They could have a last section they haven't released of "overage" and the last grand prize.

                         

                        Why the Texas Lottery Rocks:

                         

                        http://www.txlottery.org/export/sites/lottery/Games/Scratch_Offs/retailerswhosoldtopprizes.html_252729400.html

                         

                        They post the book numbers, so there really is no guessing sections.  I had to drive around to the stores in Indiana to do this inconspicuously.  I found a very alarming pattern especially off the front of games with similar print numbers.  I figure this is how Joan Gunther did it and why she picked Texas. 

                        So the math which I've see you have mostly done I just had to do some myself as I'm not used to the 60 ticket rolls.

                        30,000,000 +/-4% (It's always +4% (Legal way to expand your margins).

                        31,200,000 (Probably a little less or exact)  520,000 books

                        Which means 1 every 26,000 books.

                         

                        The one hit on 519 is the very last one in the game and I would  not play any number in 493k or higher.  Those were almost exactly almost 26k books apart which would of been easy predict off the end of the game, because you know that the last prize is going to be in the last 1% or 2% of tickets, because men are stupid and it's a given, because it has to be a given.  The way they combat this here is to randomize the release of this say I'll release the middle of the game then the end and finally the start.

                         

                        I'm guessing they have some returned tickets that haven't been processed that could hold a jackpot and it's going to be from one of the first pools.  The first pools are risky, because said persons could of thrown away the ticket as the game is new and they might not of really known what they were doing.  I would play anything 473k an lower.  The reason I say 473 is it's not uncommon for the machine to print (jackpots in the middle of the print that are way below threshold of the 26k).  As random as possible is what they state and what I mean is this.

                         

                        Say you have a 1 in 6k book chance of winning 1 in 5 top prizes.  30k books. 

                         

                        You could see something like this and can learn this from studying Texas or if you were my best friend I'd give you the info I have on the HL.

                        (Hypothetical)

                        5673 1st top prize

                        11013 2nd top prize

                        22137 3rd top prize

                        22138 4th top prize

                        29845 5th top prize

                         

                        The first is typically very and the last is typically very predictable.  NOT Always is it this way as the reason I state I have about a 20% error of margin for a given section. 

                         

                        I could blabber all day, but I need to eat lunch and sometime I'll explain how i predicted successfully which city a top prize would be in based off the distribution patterns.  Of course they randomized them to "hell", so I couldn't do it anymore, but I could still tell you a section.  Also, there's a standard place where they typically lay in sections and if you do the math and collect the data you can give yourself another edge or you can believe math is random.

                        Great post, Zeb! Thanks for taking the time.

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                          In the 50X game, there are supposedly 3 Jackpot winners remaining. This one is a little more iffy. The FL Lottery facebook page had tickets posted of winners of the 20th (591K), 17th (516K), and 16th Jackpots (491K). There are a total of 24 Jackpots in this game and the rolls appear to go up to 625K, and based on the odds in this game, the two jackpots for the 18th and 19th winners would fit comfortably in between 516K and 591K. I don't have the information for the 21st winner, but if he won on a book above 591K I'm thinking the rest of rolls are junk. Like 200MS the supply of this game is dwindling, probably down to less than 100 books statewide. Again, the vast supply of these books are in North Central Florida and most are roll numbers in the 500K, 600K range or higher. Last week I went to a store in Gainesville that has 36 books of 50X the Cash! Most of their books also fall in this range, but oddly enough they just got an order on the 6/21 of a book with what has to be the lowest roll number remaining (19K) and also had one at (46K) and a few in the 300K range. We don't know as much on this game as we do on 200MS, but if someone can buy out this game, should they, or should they get the winning roll information first? That super-low roll numbers really tempted me, but I've held off.

                           

                          Forgot to math the 50x:

                          How many tickets were printed and how many per roll?  There will be one around 618-625 most likely and also you're probably not adjusting for the the overage print most games are +/-4%, however some are +/-2%.  With a 4% overage there would be a winner around 645-650, but I don't know if you've included the overage.  The 19k and the 46k could be returned one's sitting a retailers for years or something they've been holding back intentionally.  I like the conspiracy theory and if I saw a game that was sequentially sent out from lowest to highest like this one I would go after the lower roll ranges.  The 19k seems to fit in an opening jackpot range and if i was gambling I'd buy them.  I've very often found a book in the 100k's off a print in the release of the tickets along with sequential books of 2244, 2245, 2246, 2247, and 101911.  Guess what more often than not the 101911 has a 500 or more and this is the reason I say lotteries are rigged by the state and the prizes are sent to where they want them.  I'm not accusing the FL of doing this which I would hope they don't, but it does not make sense when they do this unless the store happened to get the start of a case from another pool or this is how they arranged it.  I would go with the lower books are returns that were reissued to the one store selling them.  Tickets are issued to stores based off their sales numbers for the games and are controlled by the state lottery.  Hence why I always say they control whether or not your store gets them, because they control whether or not your store carries them unless you are a very large display store.

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                            I played a full book of 50X cash game today (Roll no. 520889) and won $705 including $500 on a ticket!!! This is my first win > $100 from the time I started playing scratch off games. 

                            I want to post the ticket image in .jpg format but I am unable to do it because I could neither drag the image from my desktop nor able to use 'Insert Image" feature in this editor!!! Can someone help me out in posting an image in this forum? Do I need to be a premium member to post an image?

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                              I played a full book of 50X cash game today (Roll no. 520889) and won $705 including $500 on a ticket!!! This is my first win > $100 from the time I started playing scratch off games. 

                              I want to post the ticket image in .jpg format but I am unable to do it because I could neither drag the image from my desktop nor able to use 'Insert Image" feature in this editor!!! Can someone help me out in posting an image in this forum? Do I need to be a premium member to post an image?

                              Nice, a profitable book! Congratz Krissam! =) 

                               

                              Use an image upload site such as: http://imgur.com/ 

                               

                              Once you upload the image through that site, copy the direct image url to the "insert/edit image tool" under "source" and the image will appear in your forum post!

                                 
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