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Aug 10, 2016, 11:59 am

Quote: Originally posted by Dracos on Aug 10, 2016
I'm pretty firm in my resolve of not playing, if I were to play I'd go with $10 Holiday Gifts. For me, not playing the lottery is essentially the same as winning big $500+ prizes since I can't seem to hit anything above $100 anymore and can only hit $100 after giving them $400-$500 lol. $20 tickets have treated me worse than $1 and $2 tickets. They are supposed to offer "better" returns, not the case for me lol. I still feel that last jackpot might be out there, and the $10 Holiday Gifts was probably my favorite $10 ticket. It is the only $10 ticket where I hit $500, and $1k on.

It has been a month since I've been to Lawtey's Food Store, so I'm not sure. I might have cleared them out of 50X. I requested reports for Power 8S, and it was listed as one of the only stores that had it in the Gainesville area. I called all the stores, and confirmed it as being the last one in Gainesville area with Power 8S. They don't really answer the phone, or at least I haven't been able to get ahold of anyone there. Maybe you should stop by if you're enroute in that area to investigate.

Power 8S is another fishy ticket. Extremely scarce, with "2" jackpots remaining. I'm guessing if one isn't hit, it is likely they have been destroyed. Who misses a jackpot on a $5 ticket? I assume this doesn't happen unless someone is absolutely hammered while scratching. =p

Hahaha sooo true! I was just telling my mom this morning how I don't see how people who buy $10 tickets can miss a jackpot unless they where drunk. Idk about everyone here but when I spend $10 on a piece of paper I check it multiple times haha sometimes even get it scanned. When you scratch books the numbers can all start to blur together lol. Man speaking of which I get alot of 5X symbols on the 50x books with a freakin $5 under it! WTH lol. The one $100 ticket I got had the 5x with a $20 under it thank goodness. I wonder if I took $600 and bought a book of the $10 monopoly if id be happier but it wouldn't be the same chase I am currently tangled up in with 50X lol.
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Aug 10, 2016, 12:19 pm

Does anyone have a list of what stores still have the $10 Holiday Gifts?
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Aug 10, 2016, 12:27 pm

Quote: Originally posted by Dracos on Aug 10, 2016
True, I've had a huge financial setback in terms of student loan repayment because of how many books I've scratched this past year. 50X, and Holiday Gifts actually weren't bad to me. 200MS, Lucky $200k/yr for Life, and $20 Flamingo were the culprits with some of the most disgustingly bad return rates I've ever seen. Even though Lucky $200k/yr for Life books cost $1,000, I swear I've encountered books of it that may have returned $250-$300/$1000. That's how bad they are.

It is certainly possible all jackpots have been destroyed, and none remain. Then again, with 3 jackpots posted it is also possible an earlier jackpot is out there. I'd personally bet the lower jackpot has been destroyed because of the likelihood of tickets being removed/destroyed during the transition of new lottery games, and 50X The Cash being booted out of machines and into independent retail stores/food stores.

As Zzzplayfaster recommended, it would be smart to only buy tickets in certain ranges. I think we concluded anything in the 610k+ range could hit, especially 620k. If a jackpot is to be found on 50X The Cash, I'd assume it will be the "last" jackpot printed in the higher range. It would be ironic if one of those low number books produced a "throwback" jackpot prize that was never found. $10 Holiday Gifts might just do this...lol.

The nice thing about AK Kwik is that they will let you choose your books, so you can intentionally select books in ranges you think have better odds of hitting. It is a true gamble. We know odds of hitting that last jackpot may be better than playing any random game. I mean, this type of information turned one of our regulars into a millionaire. Maybe you'll be the next FL LP poster to hit a jackpot.

Edit: As far as my guess of up to 20 locations, that might be a large estimate. That's probably including those "Far out" stores like Lawtey Community Food Store which i picked up two books of 50X The Cash. Apparently that store also has Power 8s. Stores like that in super rural areas tend to keep stocks. Across the state, it wouldn't surprise me if a few other stores like that had 50X. Then again, perhaps AK Kwik "pulled" their supply, and is now the primary holder of almost all 50X books. Those books they gathered probably got pulled from other lottery reps, and sent there due to the traffic/demand.

In regards to the books in certain ranges:

I'm not paying attention to books in certain ranges anymore, within reason. If a jackpot is won on book 112,000, I'd try to avoid ones within a few thousand of it, but expecting them to be a certain # away (within a small percent) as we've been assuming, was shot to hell with the 2 $20 Monopoly top prizes. The prizes were won on books 0055581 and 114089. The math on that game, as gatorsrok said, makes it so they should be in the range of 126,667 books apart (with a little variation. These two books were 58,508 books apart. Now that could be a fluke, but it doesn't matter. The assumption that top prizes should be X books apart, based on the odds, would be a rule for the printing and if the rule is broken once, it's invalid because the algorithm and all for the printing can't break a rule on fluke chance.

Now it may work out that a lot of the time top prizes are a certain amount of books apart, according to the odds, but with the $20 Monopoly game disproving that it "has" to be that way, it'd just be due to the odds of when the top prize is printed since that is how odds work.

A bit ago I went through book numbers of the 1 million dollar prizes for FL Cash, and they don't track either with the odds on any reasonably consistent basis, even factoring in some leeway. I was waiting to see if any game had any two prizes pop way outside of the range we'd "expect" .. so. Yah.

Now if I see a game like 50x and I come across a book number that is considerably outside the range of what is being played now (like the one at AK), I personally would pay attention to that. Especially if the book is really early in the game as I've noticed with some games, usually the lower priced ones, there seems to be more winners in the beginning - but that's just an observation and not based on any mathing.
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Aug 10, 2016, 12:28 pm

Quote: Originally posted by EMTAdam on Aug 10, 2016
Does anyone have a list of what stores still have the $10 Holiday Gifts?

Lol Adam going for round 2! I love it! Just curious Adam bc if im chasing the 50x jackpot obvs I love that youre not but...why did you decide not to? The commute to get em all?
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Aug 10, 2016, 12:29 pm

Quote: Originally posted by ronkenneth88 on Aug 10, 2016
This is definitely true Dracos! I actually have been choosing my books from there. It usually begins with me asking for a printout and then looking through the forums to find what books Id like. I went through the book that was around 43K and another that was around 441 (i figured id go 50k away from the 491k jackpot) and another book around 560 or something. I have the lowest book on hold right now...but after your comments I might skew that towards a higher book number. The one I was going to pick up tomorrow was the 16K or however low it was posted on here but def from the beginning of printing. I guess i will decide on that book or one in the 600K's. Either way ill buy one and then put the other on hold for next time :) Any input from the regulars on which ones I should buy would be greatly appreciated. Also if anyone has a printout I can knock off the ones I have already bought as well. Dracos if you decide to play and get that itch lmk and ill meet ya at AK'shaha

If they really have a book that low, in the 16k range, I'd get it if I were you. If this were October when I'll have better cash flow, I'd drive up there now and get it. it may suck, but there's a reason there's 3 missing prizes and most of the books are in a tight range - which to me means if all three (or even 2) still exist, one of them should be outside of the general range most of the books out now are in.
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Aug 10, 2016, 12:30 pm

Quote: Originally posted by Dracos on Aug 10, 2016
I'm pretty firm in my resolve of not playing, if I were to play I'd go with $10 Holiday Gifts. For me, not playing the lottery is essentially the same as winning big $500+ prizes since I can't seem to hit anything above $100 anymore and can only hit $100 after giving them $400-$500 lol. $20 tickets have treated me worse than $1 and $2 tickets. They are supposed to offer "better" returns, not the case for me lol. I still feel that last jackpot might be out there, and the $10 Holiday Gifts was probably my favorite $10 ticket. It is the only $10 ticket where I hit $500, and $1k on.

It has been a month since I've been to Lawtey's Food Store, so I'm not sure. I might have cleared them out of 50X. I requested reports for Power 8S, and it was listed as one of the only stores that had it in the Gainesville area. I called all the stores, and confirmed it as being the last one in Gainesville area with Power 8S. They don't really answer the phone, or at least I haven't been able to get ahold of anyone there. Maybe you should stop by if you're enroute in that area to investigate.

Power 8S is another fishy ticket. Extremely scarce, with "2" jackpots remaining. I'm guessing if one isn't hit, it is likely they have been destroyed. Who misses a jackpot on a $5 ticket? I assume this doesn't happen unless someone is absolutely hammered while scratching. =p

Did you get the report for the entire state on P8s ?
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Aug 10, 2016, 12:37 pm

Quote: Originally posted by oldghost on Aug 10, 2016
Did you get the report for the entire state on P8s ?

Well I am going to bite the bullet and get the 16K one tomorrow..wish me luck lol. Should I look into getting some of the higher books? 600+? Geeez it would be so much easier if the florida lottery would just post the book numbers for each freakin ticket! Any advice is greatly appreciated as $600 is a lot lol I appreciate you and Dracos advice though. I think at the least ill get the 16K book and then I need to put another one on hold..if anyone wants to reference the old report on book #'s at AK its on page 245 of this thread. Thanks guys!
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Aug 10, 2016, 12:44 pm

Quote: Originally posted by ronkenneth88 on Aug 10, 2016
Well I am going to bite the bullet and get the 16K one tomorrow..wish me luck lol. Should I look into getting some of the higher books? 600+? Geeez it would be so much easier if the florida lottery would just post the book numbers for each freakin ticket! Any advice is greatly appreciated as $600 is a lot lol I appreciate you and Dracos advice though. I think at the least ill get the 16K book and then I need to put another one on hold..if anyone wants to reference the old report on book #'s at AK its on page 245 of this thread. Thanks guys!

Thank you, I was curious what page that was on but didn't have the motivation to find it since I can't go to AK till October at the earliest, unless a ton of work comes in suddenly.

I see what you're referring to, the 19227. I like that one and the one in the 46k range. I obviously have no clue if there's a prize there, but three are "missing" and I'd have to believe only 1 is supposed to be left. My guess as to why they got those early books at this point is that they were sitting somewhere, unactivated, and the place suddenly found them or closed down (fill in your reason here) and FL Lotto redistributed them finally.

Anyways, keep us updated on which one you do get and what the results are, I hope you buy 3 books and hit all three jackpots. :)
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Aug 10, 2016, 1:01 pm

Quote: Originally posted by oldghost on Aug 10, 2016
Did you get the report for the entire state on P8s ?

@Oldghost - Only an Instant Liability Report, which I posted a few pages back. I requested retailer location reports for the Jacksonville area, and Gainesville area. There's still a few places with them in Jacksonville.

I agree with you that the two Monopoly $5m jackpots disproves the "calculated ranges". Perhaps lottery officials read this forum, and decided to throw a curveball. We've seen multiple jackpots hit on Super 7s in my opinion WAY faster than they should have been hit on a $5 scratchoff.

Additionally, the tickets they distribute also isn't chronological necessarily. Like I mentioned yesterday, I found tickets in the 40k range on Maximum Debt (or Maximum Money, but that's my new spin off name because the ticket sucks). So jackpots can easily be found out of order, and aren't necessarily chronological in the sense that book sales start from 0 up until the end of the print range.

This is why I personally believe a 50X jackpot is out there, and a $10 Holiday Gifts jackpot may be out there as well.

@ Adam - AK Kwik in Gainesville has around 20 books, 10 books that should interest you since they're in the lower book range. (50k and under). There's AT LEAST 50+ stores in the state with $10 Holiday Gifts, maybe more. There are random food stores that have a book, and I've seen reports in the Jacksonville area/Gainesville area listing stores which had multiple books in stock. This information I have is at least one month old, so things may have changed since Monopoly's release. There are plenty of $10 Holiday books out there with low book numbers.

@ Ronnie - That 19k book does sound promising, and I wish you the best of luck. I hope you find some type of claim ticket!
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Aug 10, 2016, 1:03 pm

Quote: Originally posted by oldghost on Aug 10, 2016
Thank you, I was curious what page that was on but didn't have the motivation to find it since I can't go to AK till October at the earliest, unless a ton of work comes in suddenly.

I see what you're referring to, the 19227. I like that one and the one in the 46k range. I obviously have no clue if there's a prize there, but three are "missing" and I'd have to believe only 1 is supposed to be left. My guess as to why they got those early books at this point is that they were sitting somewhere, unactivated, and the place suddenly found them or closed down (fill in your reason here) and FL Lotto redistributed them finally.

Anyways, keep us updated on which one you do get and what the results are, I hope you buy 3 books and hit all three jackpots. :)

Hahaha thanks oldghost! Unfortunately i already bought the 46k range book and while no jackpot it returned like 480 so not such a bad loss. I got the $100 ticket in that book. Im going to by the 19k one tomorrow but I may put a 600+ one on hold.
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Aug 10, 2016, 1:09 pm

Quote: Originally posted by Dracos on Aug 10, 2016
@Oldghost - Only an Instant Liability Report, which I posted a few pages back. I requested retailer location reports for the Jacksonville area, and Gainesville area. There's still a few places with them in Jacksonville.

I agree with you that the two Monopoly $5m jackpots disproves the "calculated ranges". Perhaps lottery officials read this forum, and decided to throw a curveball. We've seen multiple jackpots hit on Super 7s in my opinion WAY faster than they should have been hit on a $5 scratchoff.

Additionally, the tickets they distribute also isn't chronological necessarily. Like I mentioned yesterday, I found tickets in the 40k range on Maximum Debt (or Maximum Money, but that's my new spin off name because the ticket sucks). So jackpots can easily be found out of order, and aren't necessarily chronological in the sense that book sales start from 0 up until the end of the print range.

This is why I personally believe a 50X jackpot is out there, and a $10 Holiday Gifts jackpot may be out there as well.

@ Adam - AK Kwik in Gainesville has around 20 books, 10 books that should interest you since they're in the lower book range. (50k and under). There's AT LEAST 50+ stores in the state with $10 Holiday Gifts, maybe more. There are random food stores that have a book, and I've seen reports in the Jacksonville area/Gainesville area listing stores which had multiple books in stock. This information I have is at least one month old, so things may have changed since Monopoly's release. There are plenty of $10 Holiday books out there with low book numbers.

@ Ronnie - That 19k book does sound promising, and I wish you the best of luck. I hope you find some type of claim ticket!

Yah, that surprised me on the Max Debt book being so high already. I was watching the book #s as the weeks went by on Monopoly, and they, for the most part, were sequential. Of course I've hit some random 7k range $2 books at Publix but I assume that's because they got a new shipment and each week the new ones were tossed on top of the existing stock.

I play $5 primarily, and the rate at which the grand prizes have been won is about on par with what the games have been doing that I've seen. Looking at the report:

Winning Streak, 9 prizes in 4 months. Super 7's, 8 prizes in 3 months. $5 Flamingo 13 prizes in 6 months. $5 Holiday, all 4 prizes in a month and a half. WOF 8 prizes in 3 months.

250 Cashfall not as quick, but if you exclude the $5 Holiday, the last 4 or 5 games have all had fast going top prizes for $5 games.
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Aug 10, 2016, 1:17 pm

Quote: Originally posted by ronkenneth88 on Aug 10, 2016
Hahaha thanks oldghost! Unfortunately i already bought the 46k range book and while no jackpot it returned like 480 so not such a bad loss. I got the $100 ticket in that book. Im going to by the 19k one tomorrow but I may put a 600+ one on hold.

A little follow up info.

The first one of this game had 16 prizes before the reprint. At the time of the reprint there were I think 4 prizes left, forgot since I looked it up a bit ago.

The first run would make it 368,000 books, so presumably since book #s are skipped and what not, book 0369259 is from the first printing also. I'd assume anything under the 400,000 mark is from the first run. (Math on that assumption is here: 552,000 books total, 368,000 in first run, 184,000 in the second run, highest book shows as around 622,000 on the report and 622,000-184,000= 438,000 ....... but book #s are skipped and 622,000 may not be the end, so .. under 400s seems right).
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Quote: Originally posted by oldghost on Aug 10, 2016
A little follow up info.

The first one of this game had 16 prizes before the reprint. At the time of the reprint there were I think 4 prizes left, forgot since I looked it up a bit ago.

The first run would make it 368,000 books, so presumably since book #s are skipped and what not, book 0369259 is from the first printing also. I'd assume anything under the 400,000 mark is from the first run. (Math on that assumption is here: 552,000 books total, 368,000 in first run, 184,000 in the second run, highest book shows as around 622,000 on the report and 622,000-184,000= 438,000 ....... but book #s are skipped and 622,000 may not be the end, so .. under 400s seems right).

Lol again I wish the lottery would post the book numbers grrr and it also sucks that we have the book numbers that won but not for all of the winners ://///
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Quote: Originally posted by ronkenneth88 on Aug 10, 2016
Lol again I wish the lottery would post the book numbers grrr and it also sucks that we have the book numbers that won but not for all of the winners ://///

I sent an email last month and asked for the winning numbers of 50X. They have been dragging my request without giving response (Legal department has to approve, what are the specific areas/date periods that I am looking for winning numbers, etc.) but still haven't received response from them!!!! They don't specify/ask for any fee/charge for providing the numbers and also, they don't deny my request at the same time!!!???? I could see the only option to get previous winning numbers is through FB/Twitter/Other Social Media posting of FL Lottery....If I get any response back from them, I will post it in the forum..But, I don't have any high hopes about their response...
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Quote: Originally posted by krissam on Aug 10, 2016
I sent an email last month and asked for the winning numbers of 50X. They have been dragging my request without giving response (Legal department has to approve, what are the specific areas/date periods that I am looking for winning numbers, etc.) but still haven't received response from them!!!! They don't specify/ask for any fee/charge for providing the numbers and also, they don't deny my request at the same time!!!???? I could see the only option to get previous winning numbers is through FB/Twitter/Other Social Media posting of FL Lottery....If I get any response back from them, I will post it in the forum..But, I don't have any high hopes about their response...

I don't as well lol but it'd def be helpful! I have been looking through old FB posts to check winning ticket numbers but I have only found 2...lol...headed to their instagram page now to try my luck there.

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