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Posted: May 10, 2014, 4:34 pm - IP Logged

Jim.  Are you confused?  I don't think Jim is confused.  Jim is a top predictor and a top programmer.

I think perhaps charlatans hide behind the complexity of numbers and use the cover to perform insidious immoral actions. Like a flash crash stock broker.

LM,  perhaps you should put your effort towards successful winning, and not proving all the ways on how to be a successful loser.

There is no such thing as "successful winning" in the lottery where the house has a 50% advantage. I'm sorry to break the bad news. I would wager random quick picks against any system any day. The human bias factor in systems in some cases actually causes performance worse than random.

"Do any systems actually work?" In the absence of a biased drawing, the answer is definitively no.

As I've said before, I could go on about this all day, but it would be the equivalent of preaching a sermon to a dead plant. Wouldn't make a difference. Hearing myself talk gets old. This isn't an academia forum and I have no intention of continuous bantering. Players are entitled to their own beliefs and can and should play as they see fit. It doesn't change the fact that their system simply won't work, but at least they can enjoy the pursuit of that next win.

Regarding my own status of winning or losing, as shown in my signature, I am currently winning in 2014 with a profit of roughly 65%. Doesn't really prove anything. IMO one is not really a "winner" until they hit a life-changing jackpot. I've hit the jackpot before, just not in the lottery LOL

If the chances of winning the jackpot are so slim, why play when the jackpot is so small? Your chances never change, but the potential payoff does.
If a crystal ball showed you the future of the rest of your life, and in that future you will never win a jackpot, would you still play?

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    There is no such thing as "successful winning" in the lottery where the house has a 50% advantage. I'm sorry to break the bad news. I would wager random quick picks against any system any day. The human bias factor in systems in some cases actually causes performance worse than random.

    "Do any systems actually work?" In the absence of a biased drawing, the answer is definitively no.

    As I've said before, I could go on about this all day, but it would be the equivalent of preaching a sermon to a dead plant. Wouldn't make a difference. Hearing myself talk gets old. This isn't an academia forum and I have no intention of continuous bantering. Players are entitled to their own beliefs and can and should play as they see fit. It doesn't change the fact that their system simply won't work, but at least they can enjoy the pursuit of that next win.

    Regarding my own status of winning or losing, as shown in my signature, I am currently winning in 2014 with a profit of roughly 65%. Doesn't really prove anything. IMO one is not really a "winner" until they hit a life-changing jackpot. I've hit the jackpot before, just not in the lottery LOL

    How do you define life-changing

    Lets  say a player is addicted to mickyd.  And he eats mcdonalds chicken mcnuggets everyday.

    But now they have good pick 3 system.

    Now that player wins 1000, every two weeks. So Now they go to red lobster instead of mcdonalds every day.

    Is this a life change in your opinion?

    I think that is a change.  Is that life changing enough for you?

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      How do you define life-changing

      Lets  say a player is addicted to mickyd.  And he eats mcdonalds chicken mcnuggets everyday.

      But now they have good pick 3 system.

      Now that player wins 1000, every two weeks. So Now they go to red lobster instead of mcdonalds every day.

      Is this a life change in your opinion?

      I think that is a change.  Is that life changing enough for you?

      "Now that player wins 1000, every two weeks"

      Winning 1000 every two weeks.....it would only be life-changing as long as they keep winning. Once they stop winning, they go back to McDonald's. The odds are against such a streak continuing forever.

      On the other hand, if that player won $1,000,000 even just once, they would be eating Red Lobster until they died of mercury poisoning.

      For the most part it is up to the individual to determine an amount that would be life-changing. In economics we call this "utility." Everyone is different, but the majority would agree that a substantial increase in funds (annual income^X) would be life-changing.

      IMO because you are more likely to lose than win in any lottery, hoping for consistent wins is ludicrous. The probability of winning twice in 14 plays of Pick3 is only 0.00009 (odds of 1 in 11,122). Four wins out of 28 plays? Odds of 1 in 50,026,990.

      If the chances of winning the jackpot are so slim, why play when the jackpot is so small? Your chances never change, but the potential payoff does.
      If a crystal ball showed you the future of the rest of your life, and in that future you will never win a jackpot, would you still play?

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        "I was clear on the fact to win a jackpot players must meet the conditions of the full number wheel?"

        Yet you had no problem saying this a little earlier:

        "LP has over 100 systems guaranteed to work "

        Only an idiot or scammer trying to sell a system would say it's "guaranteed to work".

        Once you include the disclaimers required to make the "guarantee" honest it's only as useful as a guarantee that tomorrow will be Sunday as long as today is Saturday. It's technically true, but you'll only be right 1 out of 7 times.

        "Yet you had no problem saying this a little earlier:"

        Pardon me for assuming long time LP members would understand the benefits of wheeling a group of numbers and how the word "guarantee" applies to the wheels.

        "Only an idiot or scammer trying to sell a system would say it's "guaranteed to work"."

        Which part of a 2 if 5 of 39 number wheel is guaranteed to work every time in every 5/39 drawing can you prove is incorrect?

        "it's only as useful as a guarantee that tomorrow will be Sunday as long as today is Saturday. It's technically true, but you'll only be right 1 out of 7 times."

        It's as useless as explaining an abbreviated wheel guarantee to someone that can't grasp the concept of playing large number wheels.

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          I cannot eat beef, so I eat chicken like every day. I know lobster, turbot and caviar, and of those I like the turbot most. I wouldn't eat at Mac Donalds, I cook myself.

          Mac Donalds? Puke

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            Stack47,

            This type of terminology:
            ...in other words it's possible to make a profit when the system fails to work.
            is used by those selling baloney systems quite often and is another red flag, and once again does not pass the SO WHAT test.

            It's very common for those selling blackjack systems to use the phrase "You'll win even if you lose more hands than you win." Then the rest of the system turned out to be pure rubbish, such as play dealer's rules.

            All you are proving with your posts in this thread is that the desire for there to be a system that beats lotteries does more than anything else to sell lottery systems. Sell the sizzle, not the steak. Sell the 'maybes', not actual results. Your posts are full of maybe, could, etc.....

            Pretty simple, lotteries love system players because they play more $$$$$.

            As far as your wheels and a guarantee, yeah, I'll guarantee it's going to be a rare event that you pick the right five numbers consistently, or if ever.

            One 'did' beats millions of 'coulds.'

            Regardless of the means of number selection any time the numbers played are the numbers drawn it is pure blind luck.   Lep

            Or were you in on the "Mike Tyson to beat Buster Douglas" system?

            "It's very common for those selling blackjack systems to use the phrase "You'll win even if you lose more hands than you win."

            The last time I looked, both PB an MM have payoffs for matching less than 5 + 1 and you're talking about blackjack. Did you payoff players for almost beating the dealer?

            "All you are proving with your posts in this thread is that the desire for there to be a system that beats lotteries does more than anything else to sell lottery systems."

            I'm talking about mathematical facts and only the wheels found on LP under in the "Systems" tab. http://www.lotterypost.com/wheels

            Lottery Wheel Systems are a method of playing lottery games, in which the player buys several tickets, and arranges the numbers on the tickets in such a manner that they will have a guaranteed winner if the drawing results fall within a certain range of numbers.

            Examine the wheels yourself and tell us which wheel doesn't work as advertised. I'm making the same guarantee claims about LP wheels that are found on link I supplied and you keep ignorantly saying I'm selling wheels or guaranteeing jackpot wins when I'm not. 

            "Regardless of the means of number selection any time the numbers played are the numbers drawn it is pure blind luck."

            Anyone can play an 8 line wheel using all 39 numbers in a 5/39 and are guaranteed to match the drawn number. Players can cover all 75 MM numbers and all the bonus numbers on 15 lines. Can you get those guarantees purchasing 8 or 15 QPs?

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              I cannot eat beef, so I eat chicken like every day. I know lobster, turbot and caviar, and of those I like the turbot most. I wouldn't eat at Mac Donalds, I cook myself.

              Mac Donalds? Puke

              "I cannot eat beef,..."

              Sure you can.

              Try cutting it into bite size pieces.

              Then put it in your mouth and chew it.

              I do it all the time.

              It's easy.

               

              "I wouldn't eat at Mac Donalds, I cook myself."

              How in the world do you cook yourself?

              Is it painful?

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                Stack47,

                If a player is willing to bet enough anyone can cover all the numbers.

                It's lining the winning ones up in the same group that's the stinger.

                One more time, gambling and 'guarantee' do not mix...unless you're selling a system, have no ethics and you just might be running a sports betting service too.

                We have a lot more pro system supporters here than we do anyone turning a daily profit with a system. There's a whole lot more people saying that you can win with a system than saying they win consistently with a system.

                The only way to do that is to book the action. If you can't grasp that you're just making donations.

                Lotto can only be played recreationally. If you take it more seriously than that you'll be in line for a second job along with those who thought they had a system to beat the track. Or j'ai alai.

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                LottoBoner,

                Life changing? Lobster is the same species as kokroaches. (sic to pass the censor)

                Dead

                Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                Lep

                There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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                  The McDonalds by my house is always busy. Somebody is eating it. Not me!

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                    Stack47,

                    If a player is willing to bet enough anyone can cover all the numbers.

                    It's lining the winning ones up in the same group that's the stinger.

                    One more time, gambling and 'guarantee' do not mix...unless you're selling a system, have no ethics and you just might be running a sports betting service too.

                    We have a lot more pro system supporters here than we do anyone turning a daily profit with a system. There's a whole lot more people saying that you can win with a system than saying they win consistently with a system.

                    The only way to do that is to book the action. If you can't grasp that you're just making donations.

                    Lotto can only be played recreationally. If you take it more seriously than that you'll be in line for a second job along with those who thought they had a system to beat the track. Or j'ai alai.

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                    LottoBoner,

                    Life changing? Lobster is the same species as kokroaches. (sic to pass the censor)

                    Dead

                    "If a player is willing to bet enough anyone can cover all the numbers."

                    Who was talking about covering all the possible combinations?

                    $15 covers all the MM numbers and the bonus numbers too, but it's much easier to ask for $20 worth of QPs.

                    "It's lining the winning ones up in the same group that's the stinger."

                    You can't line up numbers you don't have and the odds against purchasing 15 MM QPs with all 75 numbers and all 15 bonus numbers is probably too high to calculate. You don't need a Premium Membership to access Full Wheels and you'll see the trick is not lining up numbers but selecting the right numbers. If five of the ten numbers you pick are matches, you win $1 million on a $252 bet.

                    You of all people ought to know all fair gambling is making a conditional bet, but only handful of conditional bets can get life changing results.

                    "One more time, gambling and 'guarantee' do not mix...unless you're selling a system, have no ethics and you just might be running a sports betting service too."

                    And "one more time" why do keep saying I'm guaranteeing anything and insinuating I'm selling a system?

                    As for having ethics, you're the one claiming to be a casino dealer and one of the last people who should be lecturing anyone on gambling ethics. But than again if you really were a dealer, you should know all bets are conditional whether the conditions are the dice will pass or 5 of the 15 numbers a lottery player selects will be drawn.

                    The advantage to a full wheeling system is that because all possible winning combinations are present in your tickets, you are guaranteed to win several prizes if three or more numbers drawn are within your set of wheeled numbers.

                    If you don't like the use of the word "guaranteed", prove the math is wrong in the design of LP's wheels.

                    "Lotto can only be played recreationally. If you take it more seriously than that you'll be in line for a second job along with those who thought they had a system to beat the track."

                    And you have proof it's impossible for anyone to make or made a living playing lottery games?

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                      When you (generic) step back and read the posts here, you can't help but feel that you have read it all before - and you have, many times!!
                      Same old basic arguments. No conclusions.
                      Sure be nice if someone would bring something new to the table.
                      Just saying ......

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                        Stack47,

                        This was you a few posts above:

                        Anyone can play an 8 line wheel using all 39 numbers in a 5/39 and are guaranteed to match the drawn number. Players can cover all 75 MM numbers and all the bonus numbers on 15 lines.

                        and this is you now:
                        Who was talking about covering all the possible combinations?

                        I never said a thing about covering all combinations. You make many assumptions. I never said you were selling a system, I said system sellers.

                        So now you're a pro on gambling ethics? And you're posting on a lottery board touting $252 bets on one draw. Yeah, lecture me on ethics. Nice try.

                        If I really was a dealer? Another nice try.

                        I seriously doubt you ever put $252 into play on one draw. Nice fantasy though.

                        Talk is cheap. As I said, one 'did' beats millions of 'couldas'.

                        Some day you'll realize system sellers are system sellers and the particular game is secondary.

                        Back in the 1970s there was some sleaze from the Caribbean (or said he was) that was peddling a system, sometimes for BJ, sometimes for baccarat. Had quite a yarn as an intro to the system. His parents had sold everything to pay off the guards to get out of Cuba and away from Castro, yada yada yada.

                        When  he got to the system itself it was nothing but a Martingale - double up and catch up. Never said a thing about house limits crushing that system, if anyone indeed was silly enough to risk $1024 to win $1 anyway.

                        If you want though I'll tell you a way to play roulette where you have more numbers for you than against you. Odd thing, people get slaughtered playing it.

                        How about scanning in one of your $1M winning tickets, Stack? Well, $999,748 winner - factoring that $252 play.

                        'Til then, I can't hear what you're saying.

                        Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                        Lep

                        There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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                          Stack47,

                          This was you a few posts above:

                          Anyone can play an 8 line wheel using all 39 numbers in a 5/39 and are guaranteed to match the drawn number. Players can cover all 75 MM numbers and all the bonus numbers on 15 lines.

                          and this is you now:
                          Who was talking about covering all the possible combinations?

                          I never said a thing about covering all combinations. You make many assumptions. I never said you were selling a system, I said system sellers.

                          So now you're a pro on gambling ethics? And you're posting on a lottery board touting $252 bets on one draw. Yeah, lecture me on ethics. Nice try.

                          If I really was a dealer? Another nice try.

                          I seriously doubt you ever put $252 into play on one draw. Nice fantasy though.

                          Talk is cheap. As I said, one 'did' beats millions of 'couldas'.

                          Some day you'll realize system sellers are system sellers and the particular game is secondary.

                          Back in the 1970s there was some sleaze from the Caribbean (or said he was) that was peddling a system, sometimes for BJ, sometimes for baccarat. Had quite a yarn as an intro to the system. His parents had sold everything to pay off the guards to get out of Cuba and away from Castro, yada yada yada.

                          When  he got to the system itself it was nothing but a Martingale - double up and catch up. Never said a thing about house limits crushing that system, if anyone indeed was silly enough to risk $1024 to win $1 anyway.

                          If you want though I'll tell you a way to play roulette where you have more numbers for you than against you. Odd thing, people get slaughtered playing it.

                          How about scanning in one of your $1M winning tickets, Stack? Well, $999,748 winner - factoring that $252 play.

                          'Til then, I can't hear what you're saying.

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                              How can people come up with systems and predictions when the numbers drawn are completely random?  I would like to master the pick 3.

                                                                                   Thinking of...

                              You come up with  predictions by studying your state's game. You make up charts, you high lite, and you try to find things that happen a good majority of the time. Myself, I consider a good majority to be 75% or better. Sometimes you'll find things will happen more often than you thought, other times it will be less. Whatever you do, save your charts. Sometime in the future you will see or read something here that gives you an idea, and you will add it to a chart you already have. Or it may give you an idea for a new one.

                              You look for patterns and trends. You learn how to spot hot and cold streaks...When a number or anything is about to take off, and when you should avoid it. Remember one thing, in the lottery every thing moves in cycles. Mostly even #'s are hitting now, next week mostly odd will start, high sums are hot now, lower sums will get hot in a little while, doubles haven't hit at all in two weeks, expect a bunch of them to come soon. You get the picture right?

                              One last thing, always keep trying to improve on your system or method. Don't be afraid to think outside the box either. Hey, Thomas Edison failed 10,000 times before he got the light bulb right. LOL. You keep studying, you can win. Good Luck!!!

                              "You can observe a lot just by watching." Yogi Berra, Hall of Fame baseball player.

                              The numbers will tell you what numbers to play. Pay attention to the numbers.

                              Don't just think outside the box, crush it.

                                 
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