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I mainly don't break my head about odds. This table is the result of 3548 drawings of the Belgian pick 3. The left column is the preceding digit and the top row is the following digit. For the first of three numbers:

x0123456789
039303528363729353632
132363736352529362930
229294137383335314238
328333843363037443545
438413228314041443451
536323233333332274233
624303343383333413433
734353441433439404131
837333337433635404735
940263843463232353632

We can see that the 4 followed by the 9 was a topper.

Number 2:

x0123456789
039403739303433454227
143334338403233414045
240353839364438372736
332393330323135352932
429442835274023362842
536513230283750262736
635294027344153402638
738374627313234373342
827363429372233343833
947453834374031263336

Number 3:

x0123456789
041363047343531283143
137334038272930425543
235384136333829343927
331413140423332384244
432363633384634353125
533453029332743333129
628313438333536372738
733423235372838343832
842374236373028313743
945353342323236373241

You have to be American to play this game.

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    Stack47,

    "The thing is, I believe you probably were a Craps dealer. Was it all those years of dealing that is making it difficult for you to remain on topic?"

    If you can't understand that lotto and gambling are related, the one big difference being the lotto payouts, you'll likely one day show up at a GA meeting.

    What you don't realize you're saying is there are plenty of wheels and systems out there but you're waiting for someone else here to use one and hit a jackpot to 'prove your point'.

    Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

    Lep

    There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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      Stack47,

      "The thing is, I believe you probably were a Craps dealer. Was it all those years of dealing that is making it difficult for you to remain on topic?"

      If you can't understand that lotto and gambling are related, the one big difference being the lotto payouts, you'll likely one day show up at a GA meeting.

      What you don't realize you're saying is there are plenty of wheels and systems out there but you're waiting for someone else here to use one and hit a jackpot to 'prove your point'.

      "If you can't understand that lotto and gambling are related, the one big difference being the lotto payouts, you'll likely one day show up at a GA meeting."

      You missed several other obvious reasons, but since you seem to be the expert on problem gamblers; what percentage of them occasionally purchase MM and/or PB tickets?

      "What you don't realize you're saying is there are plenty of wheels and systems out there but you're waiting for someone else here to use one and hit a jackpot to 'prove your point'."

      The topic is really simple to follow; "any system" and wheels qualify as "any system" so again you're having difficulties staying on topic because I'm stating the fact all the LP wheels are mathematically designed to get whatever the wheel guarantees and there is no point prove.

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        Stack47,

        You're really showing your lack of understanding here.

        Problem gamblers don't purchase any kind of tickets or make any kind of bets occasionally.

        A problem gambler (known in the trade as a degenerate) has to have money riding on a decision on something. This is known as being in action, they have to 'be in action'.

        I never said I was an expert on problem gamblers but there's no doubt in my mind that I know a whole lot more about the subject than you do.

        All too often people try to use their conjecture about something appear to be much more accurate than other people's experiences. Sometimes it's entertaining, really.

        Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

        Lep

        There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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          Serge...... you are from Belgium so I automatically like you.

          Sometimes Americans use the two words...... ODDS and PROBABILITY like they were the same thing. Like my signature says....."Odds never change but Probability does." In the above example of using the Zero digit as an indicator clue ......we know that the odds for the next draw remain the same. The probability that at least one or more of 3 digits skipping or indeed missing 4......not 3 ......but 4 draws in a row are more rare than not. The orginal post was for 4 draws not 3.

          The odds are the next draw has a 72% chance of being a single box number and 27% of it being a double. We also know that there is a 2/3's chance of it containing one of the 3......or any other 3 (designated) digits. The longer we go out in time the higher the probability. 2/3*2/3*2/3*2/3 .......or 2/3^4 = probability. Probability is where Math meets common sense.

           The phrase ...."Most of the time" is all we get in Pick -3" is true. They will never take the GAM outta' Gam-ble. Art and timing along with experience will always play a part in this game no matter the clues. 

                       As far as a MAN seeing patterns where there are none.... Well, he also sees patterns where there are patterns too!   

                 One more thing... Someone along this way said something about ...."no such thing as lottery and the word guarantee. That's not true either. 

                              Also folks always use "Independent Events" as if it can only be one single event...... when we can actually have ONE event of Many trials events strung together. The Odds may never change for a single event.....but I have always given 100 to 1 odds ......they can't achieve 20 coin flips in a row HEADS. Now that would be what I call an event. Gravity and Probabilities are our friend. LOL    ......and yes I know gravity doesn't exist.   

           

                                                                   Now, don't make me call my Uncle Jade Lottery over here.... LOL

          I just checked S, D and T.

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            I just checked S, D and T.

            https://app.box.com/s/bbdu00aeh6wfdcjczlma

            Don't forget to include C. The link above is Cash 3 4-Digit DB.

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              This is my answer to -----

              How can people come up with systems and predictions when the numbers drawn are completely random?  I would like to master the pick 3.

                                                                   Thinking of...

              Easy answer - Who says the numbers drawn are completely random????????

              First of all - Let me go on record by saying:  There is no such thing as a perfect system - End of discussion.

              The majority of people here are looking for easy answers - My answer to them is to get off your dead A__ & use that thing between your Ears.

              How many draws have there been since they changed the Mega Million game to 75 balls? I believe there will be 59 drawings counting tonight's drawing.

              Go ahead pick your favorite 5 or 6 balls out of the 75 white Balls. If someone ask me what the winning numbers are for tonight drawing, I would tell them the truth.  My answer would be - Beats the Hell out of me !!!!!!

              But I do not go out & buy a QP.  I would like to think I can use my head & take a "good" look at the last 58 drawings to see if I can find anything worth while.

              The majority of people will see see 58 sets of drawings & say So What or That's Nice - and then go out and buy a QP & pray for a miracle.

              Here is what I see.

               

              *************           MB
              2013-11-0841425157657
              2013-11-299414347575
              2014-03-0711135157691
              2014-03-1191456576910
              2014-04-113424447578
              *************           

              I would then wheel the numbers 9 41 42 47 51 57 & 69 and play the sets that come up - knowing I made a wise decision.  Will any of my numbers hit? - Who knows?  I will let you know tomorrow, if I really play these numbers.  I have given you 5 sets of numbers that came out of the last 58 drawings.  You can call these random numbers if you want, but I think of them as a possible pattern or combination of numbers that have a habit of coming in with each other.  A mind is a beautiful thing, so don't waste it.  Think for yourself.    If you want something, you have to be willing to work for it.  Have a Great Day.........................

              Good Luck & Best Wishes To ALL.......................................

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                Or if you still think it is Completely Random - Look at these.

                Random or - Patterns or - Combinations of numbers that just like to come in with each other.

                You decide.  The 29 sets of numbers listed below + the 5 sets mentioned above = 34 drawings of the 58 total drawings to date or 58.62% of the Total Drawings to date.

                I think this will give you a different way of looking at things....................................

                So much for Quick Picks................................................

                *************           MB
                2013-10-222319527114
                2014-01-31391347528
                2014-03-28239507312
                2014-04-222181949501
                *************           

                 

                *************           MB
                2013-11-1525444954638
                2013-11-1914152949632
                2014-02-0425444960739
                *************           

                 

                *************           MB
                2013-11-2217233536448
                2013-12-2423345358732
                2014-03-2122330355310
                2014-04-0835364160713
                *************           

                 

                *************           MB
                2013-12-1051222416513
                2014-01-24224546476510
                2014-04-1543946477013
                *************           

                 

                *************           MB
                2013-12-13192426277012
                2014-01-0322242540705
                2014-03-1811192433517
                2014-03-25192651577315
                *************           

                 

                *************           MB
                2013-12-318123452588
                2014-01-218233345524
                2014-02-21232932454615
                *************           

                 

                *************           MB
                2014-02-25121825356615
                2014-04-1818253845639
                2014-04-253111820669
                2014-05-0618202748515
                *************           

                 

                *************           MB
                2014-01-1711026315111
                2014-04-041101541549
                2014-05-0211826354013
                2014-05-09102839515914
                *************           
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                  IMHO - Most players view the random question as a single event, rather than two.
                  Question One - Does the equipment lotteries use select individual digits on a random, non-predictable basis?
                  Answer: Of course. Watch a real drawing.
                  Question Two - Are the winning combinations random?
                  Answer: Not necessarily.
                  Anyone who tracks winning combinations using some logical method knows that while the selection method may be complex, the 
                  results are not, as Butch 2030 has demonstrated.
                  The problem is, and has always been, finding a reliable means to know the unknowable in advance.
                  Some folks have developed techniques that, with luck, win some of the time.
                  The rest of us are just paying additional taxes.

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                    This is my answer to -----

                    How can people come up with systems and predictions when the numbers drawn are completely random?  I would like to master the pick 3.

                                                                         Thinking of...

                    Easy answer - Who says the numbers drawn are completely random????????

                    First of all - Let me go on record by saying:  There is no such thing as a perfect system - End of discussion.

                    The majority of people here are looking for easy answers - My answer to them is to get off your dead A__ & use that thing between your Ears.

                    How many draws have there been since they changed the Mega Million game to 75 balls? I believe there will be 59 drawings counting tonight's drawing.

                    Go ahead pick your favorite 5 or 6 balls out of the 75 white Balls. If someone ask me what the winning numbers are for tonight drawing, I would tell them the truth.  My answer would be - Beats the Hell out of me !!!!!!

                    But I do not go out & buy a QP.  I would like to think I can use my head & take a "good" look at the last 58 drawings to see if I can find anything worth while.

                    The majority of people will see see 58 sets of drawings & say So What or That's Nice - and then go out and buy a QP & pray for a miracle.

                    Here is what I see.

                     

                    *************           MB
                    2013-11-0841425157657
                    2013-11-299414347575
                    2014-03-0711135157691
                    2014-03-1191456576910
                    2014-04-113424447578
                    *************           

                    I would then wheel the numbers 9 41 42 47 51 57 & 69 and play the sets that come up - knowing I made a wise decision.  Will any of my numbers hit? - Who knows?  I will let you know tomorrow, if I really play these numbers.  I have given you 5 sets of numbers that came out of the last 58 drawings.  You can call these random numbers if you want, but I think of them as a possible pattern or combination of numbers that have a habit of coming in with each other.  A mind is a beautiful thing, so don't waste it.  Think for yourself.    If you want something, you have to be willing to work for it.  Have a Great Day.........................

                    Good Luck & Best Wishes To ALL.......................................

                    Who says the numbers drawn are completely random????????

                    Exactly. How do I know for example that there are not going to be any - none - consecutive numbers in every 2 drawings in a 6/49 Lottery Game?

                    Kudos butch2030

                    6/49 dis(assembly)

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                      I'm seeing all the reasons why people with truly successful systems will never come forward...and I don't blame them. This reminds me of a recent thread regarding some guys that wouldn't share their jackpot winning system. If a person were to actually come here, post their winning system and hit consecutively, they'd only be hurting themselves.Their system would go viral and wreak havoc on state lotteries. This is especially true if it's a system designed for straights.

                      People who say that no systems work just haven't been exposed to the people that know different...and probably never will be because those are the one's that lose their minds when they see, for certain, the monetary potential. There are lots of very sharp people here, though, that do know exactly what I'm talking about.

                      "No systems work." That's a very bold and naive statement when you consider this statement, "All things are possible to him that believeth.

                       

                      L.L.

                      You are definitely correct...nothing will work all of the time,but systems and technics like MJ or TWoods will make you successful at winning !!! When i stopped sharing certain things I hit even more. I let my winnings speak for me & stopped trying to prove myself! As Will Smith in Pursuit of Happiness

                      " People will tell you, You can't do something because They Cant!!!!!" My ex girlfriend told me that when i first begin...we are still good friends and I make it a habbit to send her my winning tickets and she replies shux!;)

                         

                           "Persistence & Patience Pays off    When Applied with Wisdom"

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                        Stack47,

                        You're really showing your lack of understanding here.

                        Problem gamblers don't purchase any kind of tickets or make any kind of bets occasionally.

                        A problem gambler (known in the trade as a degenerate) has to have money riding on a decision on something. This is known as being in action, they have to 'be in action'.

                        I never said I was an expert on problem gamblers but there's no doubt in my mind that I know a whole lot more about the subject than you do.

                        All too often people try to use their conjecture about something appear to be much more accurate than other people's experiences. Sometimes it's entertaining, really.

                        "Problem gamblers don't purchase any kind of tickets or make any kind of bets occasionally."

                        I was talking about pick 5 wheels that guarantee winning the jackpot when the wheel conditions are met.  Some these are games are drawn once every 24 hours and others three times a week and none of them are the type of game where anyone would expect to see problem gamblers.

                        "A problem gambler (known in the trade as a degenerate) has to have money riding on a decision on something. This is known as being in action, they have to 'be in action'."

                        Phil Ivey and many other professional poker players/gamblers fit your description of a "degenerate gambler" and some are multimillionaires. The real trade, the professionals that deal with problem gamblers defines it as "being unable to resist impulses to gamble, which can lead to severe personal or social consequences." Any type of gambling including once a year lottery raffle tickets could become problem gambling, but that doesn't mean all gamblers are problem gamblers.

                        I would expect someone claiming be knowledgeable about casino gambling would know about all the side bets made during long poker tourney sessions. And most made out of boredom. You're trying to lump the professionals and action players in with the real problem gamblers and it doesn't fit. When Gloria almost tackled Mindy cutting in line to purchase a PB ticket; would you call Gloria a problem/degenerate gambler?

                        "I never said I was an expert on problem gamblers but there's no doubt in my mind that I know a whole lot more about the subject than you do."

                        I doesn't look like you know there is a difference between being a degenerate gambler and a problem gambler And while it's probable scratch-offs created problem gamblers, that doesn't automatically qualify pick-5 and lotto type game players using wheels as problem gamblers. 

                        If you or someone close to you is a problem gamble, I can't see how discussing gambling on a message board helps.

                        "All too often people try to use their conjecture about something appear to be much more accurate than other people's experiences."

                        You've been a member of LP long enough to understand the concept of wheeling large groups of numbers and why players do. We're not talking about casino gambling or problem gambling and the only conjecture here is being made by you.


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                          I mainly don't break my head about odds. This table is the result of 3548 drawings of the Belgian pick 3. The left column is the preceding digit and the top row is the following digit. For the first of three numbers:

                          x0123456789
                          039303528363729353632
                          132363736352529362930
                          229294137383335314238
                          328333843363037443545
                          438413228314041443451
                          536323233333332274233
                          624303343383333413433
                          734353441433439404131
                          837333337433635404735
                          940263843463232353632

                          We can see that the 4 followed by the 9 was a topper.

                          Number 2:

                          x0123456789
                          039403739303433454227
                          143334338403233414045
                          240353839364438372736
                          332393330323135352932
                          429442835274023362842
                          536513230283750262736
                          635294027344153402638
                          738374627313234373342
                          827363429372233343833
                          947453834374031263336

                          Number 3:

                          x0123456789
                          041363047343531283143
                          137334038272930425543
                          235384136333829343927
                          331413140423332384244
                          432363633384634353125
                          533453029332743333129
                          628313438333536372738
                          733423235372838343832
                          842374236373028313743
                          945353342323236373241

                          You have to be American to play this game.

                          Very nice chart serge!  How much does it cost?

                          What do you mean you have be American to play this game?

                          Does this Pick3 game in Belgium only cater to American tourists in Islmabad, the north pole, outer space?

                          You could just put a small wager on a 49X front pair after those numbers finish their periodic slumber.

                          I don't break my head on odds, or pick 3/4 either.

                          I mostly break my head on Pick 5. Bang Head And I think its time to put humpty dumpty back together again.

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                            Stack47,

                            "The real trade, the professionals that deal with problem gamblers defines it as "being unable to resist impulses to gamble, which can lead to severe personal or social consequences."

                            Well once again you've shown you get your concepts and opinions from books and not from experience. The 'real trade' you talk about is made up of counselors who came from other fields, treating addictions and such and had little exposure to gambling and no street knowledge.

                            Do you have any idea what their success rate is treating degenerates in Vegas?

                            Tell me Stack, how many people that go to GA meetings have said they have stolen just to keep playing?

                            And since you think so much of the wheel possibilities, please actually play one, win something and tell us about it instead of posting coulda coulda coulda.

                            Since you seem to get your jollies trying to counter other people's posts there no sense talking to someone as pig headed as you are.

                            Bye.

                            Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                            Lep

                            There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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                              Locally people still play lotto, the majority probably for Saturday only. Some play Keno. Few play pick 3. Most stare at Euromillions jackpots. Gamblers go for poker, blackjack and roulette. Those also play the lottery, but maybe much less.

                              There is no pick 4 next to pick 3, and I have the impression that Americans play a lot of scratch tickets, pick 3 and pick 4. Different countries, different traditions and sports.

                                 
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