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# Do any systems actually work?

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Who says the numbers drawn are completely random????????

Exactly. How do I know for example that there are not going to be any - none - consecutive numbers in every 2 drawings in a 6/49 Lottery Game?

Kudos butch2030

"How do I know for example that there are not going to be any - none - consecutive numbers "

I think that's an excellent example of one part of the problem with people being able to understand what's going on and the significance of randomness. There's absolutely nothing about randomness that prevents consecutive numbers from happening on a regular basis. Probability insists on consecutive numbers happening when numbers are selected randomly as long as there are  enough selections. It's no different than having a coin come up heads 8 times in a row. It's unlikely if you flip a coin 100 times, but it's almost certain if you flip it 1000 times.

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Stack47,

"The real trade, the professionals that deal with problem gamblers defines it as "being unable to resist impulses to gamble, which can lead to severe personal or social consequences."

Well once again you've shown you get your concepts and opinions from books and not from experience. The 'real trade' you talk about is made up of counselors who came from other fields, treating addictions and such and had little exposure to gambling and no street knowledge.

Do you have any idea what their success rate is treating degenerates in Vegas?

Tell me Stack, how many people that go to GA meetings have said they have stolen just to keep playing?

And since you think so much of the wheel possibilities, please actually play one, win something and tell us about it instead of posting coulda coulda coulda.

Since you seem to get your jollies trying to counter other people's posts there no sense talking to someone as pig headed as you are.

Bye.

"Well once again you've shown you get your concepts and opinions from books and not from experience."

You're absolutely correct because I have no experience as a problem gambler. Do they have counseling for old dealers that can't stay on topic and go off on unrelated tangents?

"Do you have any idea what their success rate is treating degenerates in Vegas?"

The topic is systems and everyone but you is discussing lottery systems. FYI, Nevada doesn't have a state lottery game. Since you're the gambling expert and must change the topic to problem gambling, tell us the percentage of problem gamblers who were addicted to playing lottery wheels with 100% win guarantees?

"Tell me Stack, how many people that go to GA meetings have said they have stolen just to keep playing?"

I didn't know my statistical analysis abilities were so renown that people would ask me statistics that probably don't exist. It's like asking how many people go to AA meetings have said they have stolen just to keep drinking. And what about drug addicts?

Some of those large number wheels are expensive so I can't say for a fact is any of the players robbed a bank to play it.

"And since you think so much of the wheel possibilities, please actually play one, win something and tell us about it instead of posting coulda coulda coulda.

I'm talking about the FACT LP wheels have win guarantees and maybe I'll use an LP wheel to play Ohio Rolling Five and just maybe you'll understand what I'm talking about, but I doubt that's possible.

"Since you seem to get your jollies trying to counter other people's posts"

The last time I heard that term it was use by an 90 year-old Vet at the VFW. I said "Those saying "no" must have a different definition of a system because LP has over 100 systems guaranteed to work and from my experience, everyone works as advertised." And no I don't get anything trying to explain why a wheel has a guarantee to someone without the intelligence to understand.

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THE answer to you question is YES..there is a SYSTEM out there that works...and will work anytime...and everytime...you should keep track of the pic 3 forum for the next month...maybe read a few blog entries...because what I have is the best you will ever find or get...I will bet you on that..!!!!!

"Attention all Mathematicians: Check your degree at the door because when it comes to whole numbers you are the Amateur"

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a  sucker  is  born  every  minute

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Stack47,

"The real trade, the professionals that deal with problem gamblers defines it as "being unable to resist impulses to gamble, which can lead to severe personal or social consequences."

Well once again you've shown you get your concepts and opinions from books and not from experience. The 'real trade' you talk about is made up of counselors who came from other fields, treating addictions and such and had little exposure to gambling and no street knowledge.

Do you have any idea what their success rate is treating degenerates in Vegas?

Tell me Stack, how many people that go to GA meetings have said they have stolen just to keep playing?

And since you think so much of the wheel possibilities, please actually play one, win something and tell us about it instead of posting coulda coulda coulda.

Since you seem to get your jollies trying to counter other people's posts there no sense talking to someone as pig headed as you are.

Bye.

"And since you think so much of the wheel possibilities, please actually play one"

I played a 25 line 2 if 5 wheel in the Illinois Lucky Day Lotto and you tell me if the wheel doesn't meet the guarantee.

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a  sucker  is  born  every  minute

Not in my town, we only have about 300 births a year.

* you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket *

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a  sucker  is  born  every  minute

Being born a sucker is one thing- remaining one for life is something completely different.

Zeta Reticuli Star System
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Stack,

What's really hilarious is that if anyone makes a post and links the words system, guaranteed, and win you and others here eat it up but yet you question others about jobs they've actually worked and things they've actually seen.

Nobody said you were a problem gambler, but you were touting your expertise in that area. And you still haven't told us how many at GA meeting have said they have stolen to keep playing.

It's not always about you. Put your ego in park once in a while.

And now Stack, bye bye. Enjoy your alternative reality.

Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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Locally people still play lotto, the majority probably for Saturday only. Some play Keno. Few play pick 3. Most stare at Euromillions jackpots. Gamblers go for poker, blackjack and roulette. Those also play the lottery, but maybe much less.

There is no pick 4 next to pick 3, and I have the impression that Americans play a lot of scratch tickets, pick 3 and pick 4. Different countries, different traditions and sports.

Americans not only play a lot of scratch-offs, but they make up the majority of ticket sales. In all of the state lotteries' annual reports I saw, scratch-off sales were over 60% of the total sales.

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Stack,

What's really hilarious is that if anyone makes a post and links the words system, guaranteed, and win you and others here eat it up but yet you question others about jobs they've actually worked and things they've actually seen.

Nobody said you were a problem gambler, but you were touting your expertise in that area. And you still haven't told us how many at GA meeting have said they have stolen to keep playing.

It's not always about you. Put your ego in park once in a while.

And now Stack, bye bye. Enjoy your alternative reality.

If you are saying that Stack goes to GA meetings, then aren't you implying that he is a degenerate?

First of all Coiny the E.T., to use the word degenerate on a gambling website for gamblers is IMO, crossing the line a little.

There is a big difference from say a Texas Hold em, player or a Kevin spacey type BJ player, and say a one arm banditeer. (Although from my old days in vegas working as a custodian, most slot machines don't have arms anymore, and most don't spit out Morgans.) <sarcasm>

There is also a big difference from say a Scratchhead and a, pick 3 player who uses charts.

First of all you cant make a chart with scratchers.  You can only know if the main prize is won and perform some sort of pseudo science with stores locations and ticket numbers.

(Unless you have bad luck chasing a scratcher, like the entire state of NY, and somebody wins it and doesn't redeem it for five years, like what happened in New York, in which case the scratchhead becomes like a crackhead looking for a fix, when there is none to be had.

Incidentally that NY winning ticket was taken from the purported thieves and given to a (former) now non-practicing crackhead.

There were several stories about it.

All things in moderation.

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Stack,

What's really hilarious is that if anyone makes a post and links the words system, guaranteed, and win you and others here eat it up but yet you question others about jobs they've actually worked and things they've actually seen.

Nobody said you were a problem gambler, but you were touting your expertise in that area. And you still haven't told us how many at GA meeting have said they have stolen to keep playing.

It's not always about you. Put your ego in park once in a while.

And now Stack, bye bye. Enjoy your alternative reality.

"What's really hilarious is that if anyone makes a post and links the words system, guaranteed, and win you and others here eat it up but yet you question others about jobs they've actually worked and things they've actually seen."

Nobody is asking you to prove you were a dealer in a casino because it's irrelevant when discussing lottery games.

"Nobody said you were a problem gambler, but you were touting your expertise in that area."

I looked up the common definition of problem gambler used by the professionals in that field and it wasn't "A problem gambler (known in the trade as a degenerate)" Maybe you impress someone by saying you're an expert because you were a dealer in a casino, but everything you call "inside information" can be easily found by searching the web.

Not many people call knowing how to use search engine "an area of expertise" or after the results are shown, call it touting. And I was clear in saying I was quoting what the professionals in that area had to say.

"And you still haven't told us how many at GA meeting have said they have stolen to keep playing."

I wasn't a Vegas dealer changing cash for casino chips and paying winning bets and removing losing bets nor am I a store clerk selling lottery tickets to people who may have stolen that money to gamble. Though it is a sad problem, the discussion here is about lottery systems and I suggest you look up that info yourself.

At the top of my screen there blue box with several tabs and one is called "Systems" and under that tab is "Lottery Wheels Home Page". Someone at LP already defined their wheels as systems and each of those wheels have win guarantees and I was clear when I pointed out the guarantees were conditional. You said "Any time the word guaranteed is used with anything to do with the players side of gambling it is a major red flag." and I can see why it's a red flag to you; it's because you don't understand wheel functions and why some players use them.

It probably isn't any different than when you were a Craps dealer trying to convince players to play the game "your way".

Zeta Reticuli Star System
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LottoBoner,

Making assumptions seems to be a common m.o. here.

I never said Stack goes to GA meetings but anyone who claims any knowledge of problem gamblers doesn't have to have been to a GA meeting to figure out what GA knows about people.

You're really in a different world sometimes, most degenerate gamblers admit that they're degenerate gamblers.

And bookies and gambling operators- any form of gambling - know that they have a psychological need to lose.

How come you can post make believe stories about working in Vegas but you don't want to hear real ones?

Anyway, here's one..........

We had a regular player, owned a huge car dealership. Came in one night and walked tight into a roll. He was up about \$35K in less than an hour.

Then he told us, "I don't know ho to do this. I know how to buy in, get stuck, and play all night to get even, but I don't know how to get in a game and start off winning."

I know many of the self professes 'experts' here so no parallels to different kinds of gambling, but don't tell me there aren't some here who would play a system for a couple of hundreds worth to win \$40 and claim they 'won' and the system works!

PS,
you were a custodian at Vagrant World, no? (Vegas World)

Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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LottoBoner,

Making assumptions seems to be a common m.o. here.

I never said Stack goes to GA meetings but anyone who claims any knowledge of problem gamblers doesn't have to have been to a GA meeting to figure out what GA knows about people.

You're really in a different world sometimes, most degenerate gamblers admit that they're degenerate gamblers.

And bookies and gambling operators- any form of gambling - know that they have a psychological need to lose.

How come you can post make believe stories about working in Vegas but you don't want to hear real ones?

Anyway, here's one..........

We had a regular player, owned a huge car dealership. Came in one night and walked tight into a roll. He was up about \$35K in less than an hour.

Then he told us, "I don't know ho to do this. I know how to buy in, get stuck, and play all night to get even, but I don't know how to get in a game and start off winning."

I know many of the self professes 'experts' here so no parallels to different kinds of gambling, but don't tell me there aren't some here who would play a system for a couple of hundreds worth to win \$40 and claim they 'won' and the system works!

PS,
you were a custodian at Vagrant World, no? (Vegas World)

"I never said Stack goes to GA meetings but anyone who claims any knowledge of problem gamblers doesn't have to have been to a GA meeting to figure out what GA knows about people."

I said I looked up the definition of problem gambler and it wasn't "degenerate" as you claimed and are still claiming. Maybe by looking up a definition translates into claiming knowledge of a subject on your Craps crew, but it doesn't in the rest of the world.

I went the GA website and took their 20 question test and I'll bet (pun intended) the majority of active lottery players will answer "yes" to at least 7 of the questions.  Anyone who spent a week in Vegas lost time at work and probably used a credit card to finance the trip. I thought having the urge to win more, gambling longer than planned, and celebrating a big win was par for the course. But by answering "yes" to those five questions, you're just two "yes" from being a Compulsive Gambler.

http://www.gamblersanonymous.org/ga/content/20-questions

Many of the Professional poker players call them "degenerate gamblers" because of the weird prop bets they make and Mike Matusow and Ted Forrest are great examples.

"Anyway, here's one."

It must be an age thing or you don't get out much because variations of that same account are told in about every form of gambling and have been for many years.

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LottoBoner,

Making assumptions seems to be a common m.o. here.

I never said Stack goes to GA meetings but anyone who claims any knowledge of problem gamblers doesn't have to have been to a GA meeting to figure out what GA knows about people.

You're really in a different world sometimes, most degenerate gamblers admit that they're degenerate gamblers.

And bookies and gambling operators- any form of gambling - know that they have a psychological need to lose.

How come you can post make believe stories about working in Vegas but you don't want to hear real ones?

Anyway, here's one..........

We had a regular player, owned a huge car dealership. Came in one night and walked tight into a roll. He was up about \$35K in less than an hour.

Then he told us, "I don't know ho to do this. I know how to buy in, get stuck, and play all night to get even, but I don't know how to get in a game and start off winning."

I know many of the self professes 'experts' here so no parallels to different kinds of gambling, but don't tell me there aren't some here who would play a system for a couple of hundreds worth to win \$40 and claim they 'won' and the system works!

PS,
you were a custodian at Vagrant World, no? (Vegas World)

Making assumptions seems to be a common m.o. here.

How am I making assumptions?

If you do a search for the member Coin Toss, it will say you are from Reticuli.

The last I knew that would be outside of the our Solar System.  Or maybe I am assuming that also?

If you are outside of the Solar System then you are most likely an E.T.  Perhaps one of those shapeshifters.

And you worked in Vegas.  So I might assume you were a pit dealer or a boxman, (or whatever you said) and worked in a casino during the day, and worked at area 51 during the night, creating alien/human hybrids.

Prediction boards are the only way to separate they wheat from the chaffe.  And a great tool to test a system.  (If you could think of one.)

Talk is cheap.

But one thing I can bet on with 100% accuracy, is that you will tell another LV anecdote soon enough before you give any practical advice for a lottery player.

Zeta Reticuli Star System
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LottoBoner,

You made the assumption that I implied that Stack goes to GA meetings.

What has making or nor making predictions have to do with anything?

How many predictions here have been turned into cash?

Here's a prediction for you, beware of any lottery system that mentions 'guarantee'.

As of right now 155, 351 members, many of them making predictions and many of them talking about systems, and how many jackpots won?

Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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