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You come up with  predictions by studying your state's game. You make up charts, you high lite, and you try to find things that happen a good majority of the time. Myself, I consider a good majority to be 75% or better. Sometimes you'll find things will happen more often than you thought, other times it will be less. Whatever you do, save your charts. Sometime in the future you will see or read something here that gives you an idea, and you will add it to a chart you already have. Or it may give you an idea for a new one.

You look for patterns and trends. You learn how to spot hot and cold streaks...When a number or anything is about to take off, and when you should avoid it. Remember one thing, in the lottery every thing moves in cycles. Mostly even #'s are hitting now, next week mostly odd will start, high sums are hot now, lower sums will get hot in a little while, doubles haven't hit at all in two weeks, expect a bunch of them to come soon. You get the picture right?

One last thing, always keep trying to improve on your system or method. Don't be afraid to think outside the box either. Hey, Thomas Edison failed 10,000 times before he got the light bulb right. LOL. You keep studying, you can win. Good Luck!!!

Excellent advice!

I've seen "trends" or "patterns" or whatever anyone wants to call them in the charts I made for the game I study and play.  I've no idea why they happen, and I really don't care why they happen.  I just know they happen. 

Will I win a life changing jackpot?  I dunno.  I might, so I play.  I do know that I wont win one if I don't play.

Studying my charts and playing the lottery is my hobby.  I do it for FUN and entertainment and I really enjoy it.  I also know enough not to go overboard with regard to how much money I spend while playing.  I never bet more than I can afford to lose.  I'll keep studying.  If I do win a large sum of money, I know I'll be happy, and so will my family.  In the meantime my family and I are having fun dreaming and talking about what we'll do with the money.  Might sound crazy, but we have a lot of good laughs doing that.  It's a good bonding agent.

But they don't like it when I threaten to cut all of 'em out of my will and say I'm gonna leave it all to the dog!

About playing the lottery --  You will lose more than you win. Until you hit a jackpot.  Then everything changes!


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    Stack47,

    If a player is willing to bet enough anyone can cover all the numbers.

    It's lining the winning ones up in the same group that's the stinger.

    One more time, gambling and 'guarantee' do not mix...unless you're selling a system, have no ethics and you just might be running a sports betting service too.

    We have a lot more pro system supporters here than we do anyone turning a daily profit with a system. There's a whole lot more people saying that you can win with a system than saying they win consistently with a system.

    The only way to do that is to book the action. If you can't grasp that you're just making donations.

    Lotto can only be played recreationally. If you take it more seriously than that you'll be in line for a second job along with those who thought they had a system to beat the track. Or j'ai alai.

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    LottoBoner,

    Life changing? Lobster is the same species as kokroaches. (sic to pass the censor)

    Dead

    "One more time"

    This is a lottery website, not a roulette, blackjack, baccarrat, (whatever the hell you did in vegas) website.

    I dont want to make any assumptions, but Hell, you like to say you worked in vegas at a casino, but the thought occurred to me you could have been the janitor.

    Since you never spun the mean little white ball, maybe you were really a bathroom attendant. 

    Or better yet a <snip>tail waitress.

    Whenever I get <snip>roaches with my lobster or (chicken mcnuggets), I always send it back and ask for some blended bovine chordata.

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      LottoBoner,

      The point  - obviously missed by many - was that system sellers are system sellers first and foremost and the particular game matters little.

      It's always amazing to see how many Maven U. grads  there are on discussion boards.

      Maven U.  - OPINION OVER KNOWLEDGE!

      If you must know I was a dealer in the dice pits and then a boxman. Of course this was pre A.C.and pre pc when boxmen were boxmen and not boxpersons.

      When people who never worked in the business make assumptions about the business and try to tell people who have worked in it what they did and such, it's quite entertaining.

      Guess I struck a nerve identifying what species your precious lobsters are.

      Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

      Lep

      There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.


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        LottoBoner,

        The point  - obviously missed by many - was that system sellers are system sellers first and foremost and the particular game matters little.

        It's always amazing to see how many Maven U. grads  there are on discussion boards.

        Maven U.  - OPINION OVER KNOWLEDGE!

        If you must know I was a dealer in the dice pits and then a boxman. Of course this was pre A.C.and pre pc when boxmen were boxmen and not boxpersons.

        When people who never worked in the business make assumptions about the business and try to tell people who have worked in it what they did and such, it's quite entertaining.

        Guess I struck a nerve identifying what species your precious lobsters are.

        Its cute you think you struck a nerve.

        I actually have quite thick skin.

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          So do dealers, it's one of the prerequisites for the job.

          "Dummy up and deal" as they say.

          Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

          Lep

          There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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            Stack47,

            This was you a few posts above:

            Anyone can play an 8 line wheel using all 39 numbers in a 5/39 and are guaranteed to match the drawn number. Players can cover all 75 MM numbers and all the bonus numbers on 15 lines.

            and this is you now:
            Who was talking about covering all the possible combinations?

            I never said a thing about covering all combinations. You make many assumptions. I never said you were selling a system, I said system sellers.

            So now you're a pro on gambling ethics? And you're posting on a lottery board touting $252 bets on one draw. Yeah, lecture me on ethics. Nice try.

            If I really was a dealer? Another nice try.

            I seriously doubt you ever put $252 into play on one draw. Nice fantasy though.

            Talk is cheap. As I said, one 'did' beats millions of 'couldas'.

            Some day you'll realize system sellers are system sellers and the particular game is secondary.

            Back in the 1970s there was some sleaze from the Caribbean (or said he was) that was peddling a system, sometimes for BJ, sometimes for baccarat. Had quite a yarn as an intro to the system. His parents had sold everything to pay off the guards to get out of Cuba and away from Castro, yada yada yada.

            When  he got to the system itself it was nothing but a Martingale - double up and catch up. Never said a thing about house limits crushing that system, if anyone indeed was silly enough to risk $1024 to win $1 anyway.

            If you want though I'll tell you a way to play roulette where you have more numbers for you than against you. Odd thing, people get slaughtered playing it.

            How about scanning in one of your $1M winning tickets, Stack? Well, $999,748 winner - factoring that $252 play.

            'Til then, I can't hear what you're saying.

            "So now you're a pro on gambling ethics?"

            Are there really professionals on gambling ethics or just confused?

            "And you're posting on a lottery board touting $252 bets on one draw."

            Nope I posted there are 252 combination in a Full 10 number wheel. I gave you a link to LP's wheels and if I had mentioned the Full 16 number wheel with 4368 lines, would you ignorantly say I was touting betting $9736 on one PB drawing?

            "If I really was a dealer?"

            The thing is, I believe you probably were a Craps dealer. Was it all those years of dealing that is making it difficult for you to remain on topic?

            "I seriously doubt you ever put $252 into play on one draw."

            I mentioned that LP has over 100 mathematical designed wheels that guarantee matches when the conditions are met and now you're doubting bets I never said I made. For the record, I haven't played every wheel on LP either.

            "Some day you'll realize system sellers are system sellers and the particular game is secondary."

            I'm not selling a system and it doesn't look like you even followed the link that explains the wheels.

            "When  he got to the system itself it was nothing but a Martingale - double up and catch up.

            And again, the topic is "Do any systems actually work?" and I'm pretty sure it means lottery systems.

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              "One more time"

              This is a lottery website, not a roulette, blackjack, baccarrat, (whatever the hell you did in vegas) website.

              I dont want to make any assumptions, but Hell, you like to say you worked in vegas at a casino, but the thought occurred to me you could have been the janitor.

              Since you never spun the mean little white ball, maybe you were really a bathroom attendant. 

              Or better yet a <snip>tail waitress.

              Whenever I get <snip>roaches with my lobster or (chicken mcnuggets), I always send it back and ask for some blended bovine chordata.

              This post has been automatically changed by the Lottery Post computer system to remove inappropriate content and/or spam.

              "I dont want to make any assumptions, but Hell, you like to say you worked in vegas at a casino, but the thought occurred to me you could have been the janitor."

              Makes you wonder because some of those same Vegas clichés and jargon come out of books, movies, and TVs.

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                You come up with  predictions by studying your state's game. You make up charts, you high lite, and you try to find things that happen a good majority of the time. Myself, I consider a good majority to be 75% or better. Sometimes you'll find things will happen more often than you thought, other times it will be less. Whatever you do, save your charts. Sometime in the future you will see or read something here that gives you an idea, and you will add it to a chart you already have. Or it may give you an idea for a new one.

                You look for patterns and trends. You learn how to spot hot and cold streaks...When a number or anything is about to take off, and when you should avoid it. Remember one thing, in the lottery every thing moves in cycles. Mostly even #'s are hitting now, next week mostly odd will start, high sums are hot now, lower sums will get hot in a little while, doubles haven't hit at all in two weeks, expect a bunch of them to come soon. You get the picture right?

                One last thing, always keep trying to improve on your system or method. Don't be afraid to think outside the box either. Hey, Thomas Edison failed 10,000 times before he got the light bulb right. LOL. You keep studying, you can win. Good Luck!!!

                I Agree! 100%!!!

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                  "A  perfect example is the "old man's zero trick" (Do a search)"

                  You mean, a perfect example of a system that does not work?

                  DEBUNKING "OLD MAN'S ZERO TRICK" by LottoMetro

                  Claim:

                  Past occurrences of the digit "0" in Pick3 have a propensity of being preceded or followed by the digit(s) "3" and/or "6" with/without "0."

                  Posted here: http://www.lotterypost.com/thread/86692 and here: http://www.lotterypost.com/thread/98074

                  Also blogged here: http://www.lotterypost.com/blogentry/64080

                  Sidenote:

                  To be honest, reading the "rules" of this system leaves subject personal interpretation, but I will comment based on my general understanding.

                  Response:

                  For simplicity, let's say the lottery draws only once per day. This means that on ANY given day, the number "0" has a 30% chance of showing up. Why? Because each position draws independently from a pool of 10 (0-9), giving each digit a probability of 1/10 or 10% for each position. Three positions, three possible zeros. Likewise, the number "3" has a 30% chance of showing up, and the number "6" has a 30% chance of showing up. That gives us a 90% chance of one of these three digits (0, 3, 6) showing up in any given drawing, and a 60% chance of either (0,3), (0,6), or (3,6) showing up together in no particular order. Of course, there is a 0.3% chance that either 0-0-0, 3-3-3, or 6-6-6 show up etc etc, but I won't waste time counting permutations.

                  Now, the claim states that a 3 AND/OR 6 may precede a zero OR follow a zero in the draw BEFORE, ON, or AFTER the day of occurrence. It's a little confusing, but the bottom line is that this is VERY BROAD. Either way, that gives 3 different draws that this "phenomenon" could occur. With a 60% chance of a 3, 6, or 0 mix/match/touch/whatever occurring in any single drawing, that gives a 93.6% chance of it occurring at least once in 3 drawings (this is most likely where the "90%" (alternatively "98%") guarantee/claim comes from).

                  Calculation:

                  1-0.60 = 40% chance of not occurring in 1 drawing

                  0.40^3 = 6.4% chance of not occurring in 3 drawings

                  1-0.064 = 93.6% chance of occurring at least 1 in 3 drawings

                  Now, you may say "Wow, that just proves it works 93.6% of the time." No, that only proves that 93.6% of the time, a zero and/or 3 and/or 6 will occur in at least 1 of 3 drawings REGARDLESS of what occurred BEFORE that drawing or AFTER. It's the equivalent or pure luck, random chance. Because it is random, you have NO WAY of knowing whether 0 and/or 3 and/or 6 will occur in that next drawing. If you play 6, you will kick yourself when that 3 comes up, but mentally you will note how "the system worked"- you just picked the wrong digit. Like I said, the possibilities are quite broad. In the case of playing straight, if you want to play the number 6, you would still have to cover the other 9 numbers in the other positions because 6 could show up with 5, 7, 1, etc.

                  Other Comments:

                  In order for a system to be profitable over the long run, the win rate AND payout must be high enough to overcome the House's edge (in this case 50%).

                  You would need a win rate of 100% and a payout higher than whatever the fair-odds are for the type of play (straight etc) in order to profit over time.

                  It doesn't matter if you pick the right numbers and win once....unless you stop playing (while ahead) and never play again. Over the long run, the odds rule. You may have periods of time where it seems like you are winning more than you should, but that's just the deception of randomness at play.

                  Conclusion:

                  Need I go further? This trick is doing nothing but tricking the player.

                  Now, I did not say all this to be demeaning...far from my intentions. I believe systems are fun for picking numbers (after all, you've got to come up with them somehow). But I do not believe that systems really "work" in a non-biased drawing, and statistical evidence strongly supports this. As you can see in my explanation above, common beliefs and systems based on such patterns can be readily rejected, or rather appropriately attributed to pure luck.

                  P.S. I could GO ON about this ALL DAY, but the truth is, most likely you are set in your beliefs (which is perfectly OK btw, and I mean that) and would not be swayed by anything I have to say. To everybody, regardless of what system you use (or don't use), have fun and good luck! Thumbs Up

                  "A  perfect example is the "old man's zero trick" (Do a search)"

                  You mean, a perfect example of a system that does not work?

                  DEBUNKING "OLD MAN'S ZERO TRICK" by LottoMetro

                   

                   You have got to be kidding Lottomeet !  It was called ...... the Old Man's............."Trick"!   Not the Old Man's .........system. 

                                                    You actually stated you are going to "DEbunk" a TRICK .........as a ......what ?  A trick.........  LOL 

                   

                  Then you go too far and characterize all by yourself as a "System"?  That is Wrong. You called it a system ...no one else. Talk about a set up for beating a ....straw man. 

                        I'm just a regular old member here at LP that's tries to help out new players sometimes.

                   Many many years ago I created this teaching toolfor folks that didn't seem to  care to know ......or have the time to study ODDS and Probabilities and go back to school just to play lottery. These were regular normal folks who just wanted to have a quick and easy way to remember about "digit frequency." It worked then and still does. 

                                     In the old days....when Lottery Post started ...... this was ...and it still is an effective pick-3 teaching tool  for that. It's worked for years and years. This little tool is known to thousands of players and republished in several current lottery websites  . It has been talked about and looked over by a much better class of statisticians. They always get it .....and they smile at it's desired purpose because they understand it is to convey a little help.       

                   I included the word OLD MAN's  "Trick" because it ultimately did help newer members become aware. They eventually all become aware in spite of their statistical experience. The trick was.... it wasn't voo doo or magic after all. Obviously it's based on ODDS and probabilities. Later they realize the trick was ......it was no trick after all.  Later they all understand ......the trick was they had learned........ statistics and digit frequency! 

                    By the way .....you said you are not a Pick -3 player so it is understandable that you don't "get it".  Normally I don't even attempt to talk to non players and talk about our game. When you set yourself up as a judge and make assumptions that might wrongly influence others by miscarrying information they let me off my chain.  You are not a very good "DeBunk..er" for anything pick-3.   

                   

                   

                  The only real failure .....is the failure to try.                               

                                                Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much. 

                                                Odds never change .....but probability does. 

                                                                                                         Win d    

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                    Any digit has the same probability though I might think that if number x is drawn, there are 9 different numbers to be drawn next. This is putting some salt on the dogs tail.

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                      there  are  systems   that  can  help  u   drastically  increase  your  chances,   no  there  is  not  a   100%  system.  if  there   was    there  would  not  be  a  lottery,   dont  that  make   sense?    reasearch  your  state numbers   track   positions   doubles    sums    odd   even   root  sums    hot   cold   how  long   digits  been  out   ect   ect,

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                        wow   thats great   u  must  be  a  math    major

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                          "A  perfect example is the "old man's zero trick" (Do a search)"

                          You mean, a perfect example of a system that does not work?

                          DEBUNKING "OLD MAN'S ZERO TRICK" by LottoMetro

                          Claim:

                          Past occurrences of the digit "0" in Pick3 have a propensity of being preceded or followed by the digit(s) "3" and/or "6" with/without "0."

                          Posted here: http://www.lotterypost.com/thread/86692 and here: http://www.lotterypost.com/thread/98074

                          Also blogged here: http://www.lotterypost.com/blogentry/64080

                          Sidenote:

                          To be honest, reading the "rules" of this system leaves subject personal interpretation, but I will comment based on my general understanding.

                          Response:

                          For simplicity, let's say the lottery draws only once per day. This means that on ANY given day, the number "0" has a 30% chance of showing up. Why? Because each position draws independently from a pool of 10 (0-9), giving each digit a probability of 1/10 or 10% for each position. Three positions, three possible zeros. Likewise, the number "3" has a 30% chance of showing up, and the number "6" has a 30% chance of showing up. That gives us a 90% chance of one of these three digits (0, 3, 6) showing up in any given drawing, and a 60% chance of either (0,3), (0,6), or (3,6) showing up together in no particular order. Of course, there is a 0.3% chance that either 0-0-0, 3-3-3, or 6-6-6 show up etc etc, but I won't waste time counting permutations.

                          Now, the claim states that a 3 AND/OR 6 may precede a zero OR follow a zero in the draw BEFORE, ON, or AFTER the day of occurrence. It's a little confusing, but the bottom line is that this is VERY BROAD. Either way, that gives 3 different draws that this "phenomenon" could occur. With a 60% chance of a 3, 6, or 0 mix/match/touch/whatever occurring in any single drawing, that gives a 93.6% chance of it occurring at least once in 3 drawings (this is most likely where the "90%" (alternatively "98%") guarantee/claim comes from).

                          Calculation:

                          1-0.60 = 40% chance of not occurring in 1 drawing

                          0.40^3 = 6.4% chance of not occurring in 3 drawings

                          1-0.064 = 93.6% chance of occurring at least 1 in 3 drawings

                          Now, you may say "Wow, that just proves it works 93.6% of the time." No, that only proves that 93.6% of the time, a zero and/or 3 and/or 6 will occur in at least 1 of 3 drawings REGARDLESS of what occurred BEFORE that drawing or AFTER. It's the equivalent or pure luck, random chance. Because it is random, you have NO WAY of knowing whether 0 and/or 3 and/or 6 will occur in that next drawing. If you play 6, you will kick yourself when that 3 comes up, but mentally you will note how "the system worked"- you just picked the wrong digit. Like I said, the possibilities are quite broad. In the case of playing straight, if you want to play the number 6, you would still have to cover the other 9 numbers in the other positions because 6 could show up with 5, 7, 1, etc.

                          Other Comments:

                          In order for a system to be profitable over the long run, the win rate AND payout must be high enough to overcome the House's edge (in this case 50%).

                          You would need a win rate of 100% and a payout higher than whatever the fair-odds are for the type of play (straight etc) in order to profit over time.

                          It doesn't matter if you pick the right numbers and win once....unless you stop playing (while ahead) and never play again. Over the long run, the odds rule. You may have periods of time where it seems like you are winning more than you should, but that's just the deception of randomness at play.

                          Conclusion:

                          Need I go further? This trick is doing nothing but tricking the player.

                          Now, I did not say all this to be demeaning...far from my intentions. I believe systems are fun for picking numbers (after all, you've got to come up with them somehow). But I do not believe that systems really "work" in a non-biased drawing, and statistical evidence strongly supports this. As you can see in my explanation above, common beliefs and systems based on such patterns can be readily rejected, or rather appropriately attributed to pure luck.

                          P.S. I could GO ON about this ALL DAY, but the truth is, most likely you are set in your beliefs (which is perfectly OK btw, and I mean that) and would not be swayed by anything I have to say. To everybody, regardless of what system you use (or don't use), have fun and good luck! Thumbs Up

                          LottoMetro,

                          First your concept that a single digit is only involved with a 100 combos. Look at this image, using a wheel and only asking for the combos with a zero. BTW, there is no trick to it, think digits. How many combos with 2 digits?

                           

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                            Any digit has the same probability though I might think that if number x is drawn, there are 9 different numbers to be drawn next. This is putting some salt on the dogs tail.

                            Serge...... you are from Belgium so I automatically like you.

                            Sometimes Americans use the two words...... ODDS and PROBABILITY like they were the same thing. Like my signature says....."Odds never change but Probability does." In the above example of using the Zero digit as an indicator clue ......we know that the odds for the next draw remain the same. The probability that at least one or more of 3 digits skipping or indeed missing 4......not 3 ......but 4 draws in a row are more rare than not. The orginal post was for 4 draws not 3.

                            The odds are the next draw has a 72% chance of being a single box number and 27% of it being a double. We also know that there is a 2/3's chance of it containing one of the 3......or any other 3 (designated) digits. The longer we go out in time the higher the probability. 2/3*2/3*2/3*2/3 .......or 2/3^4 = probability. Probability is where Math meets common sense.

                             The phrase ...."Most of the time" is all we get in Pick -3" is true. They will never take the GAM outta' Gam-ble. Art and timing along with experience will always play a part in this game no matter the clues. 

                                         As far as a MAN seeing patterns where there are none.... Well, he also sees patterns where there are patterns too!   

                                   One more thing... Someone along this way said something about ...."no such thing as lottery and the word guarantee. That's not true either. 

                                                Also folks always use "Independent Events" as if it can only be one single event...... when we can actually have ONE event of Many trials events strung together. The Odds may never change for a single event.....but I have always given 100 to 1 odds ......they can't achieve 20 coin flips in a row HEADS. Now that would be what I call an event. Gravity and Probabilities are our friend. LOL    ......and yes I know gravity doesn't exist.   

                             

                                                                                     Now, don't make me call my Uncle Jade Lottery over here.... LOL

                             

                             

                            The only real failure .....is the failure to try.                               

                                                          Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much. 

                                                          Odds never change .....but probability does. 

                                                                                                                   Win d    

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                              ORLANDO, FLORIDA
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                              June 3, 2004
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                              Posted: May 12, 2014, 5:53 pm - IP Logged

                              Does everyone realize, if you have any 2 digits missing for any length of time, you have 384 single combos not in play, 488 combos, counting sgls, dbls, trips, almost 50% of the 1000 combos.

                                 
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