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So what would the "Holy Grail" of Pick 3 playing be?

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Tialuvslotto's avatar - Jailin
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10 Boxed singles are 8.33 percent of the possible 120, and will hit 8.33 percent of the time that you get a single (given a large enough sample of draws).

IMMUTABLE RULE OF NUMBERS!!!

So, there is not a "magical" group that hits more than another group.  However, said "pool" of 10 numbers will have hot and cold streaks, sometimes hitting 4 or 5 times in 10 draws, sometimes not hitting for 50 draws in a row.

So what you seem to be looking for is a "trigger" or an "indicator" that will let you know when any given group is about to change from cold to hot so that you are ready and waiting when the hits start to appear.

Perhaps a short-term frequency indicator, like a moving average would help.  When the average bottoms out it might indicate that more hits are ahead?  Or something along those lines -- I suspect that my idea is too simplistic.

Don't give up!  Starry-eyed dreamers are responsible for many great inventions!

"There is no such thing as luck; only adequate or inadequate preparation to cope with a statistical universe."

~Robert A. Heinlein

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    10 Boxed singles are 8.33 percent of the possible 120, and will hit 8.33 percent of the time that you get a single (given a large enough sample of draws).

    IMMUTABLE RULE OF NUMBERS!!!

    So, there is not a "magical" group that hits more than another group.  However, said "pool" of 10 numbers will have hot and cold streaks, sometimes hitting 4 or 5 times in 10 draws, sometimes not hitting for 50 draws in a row.

    So what you seem to be looking for is a "trigger" or an "indicator" that will let you know when any given group is about to change from cold to hot so that you are ready and waiting when the hits start to appear.

    Perhaps a short-term frequency indicator, like a moving average would help.  When the average bottoms out it might indicate that more hits are ahead?  Or something along those lines -- I suspect that my idea is too simplistic.

    Don't give up!  Starry-eyed dreamers are responsible for many great inventions!

    Thank goodness for you and your great post Tialuvslotto!

           Your post are some of the best of all .....and some of the most thoughtful post on the forum. I'm just afraid you will get frustrated like so many of the great ones over the years. 

     

     

                           It all starts with the math and odds of the game and it's true .....with any game of chance. 

    In any  negative odds game... it all begins with math and odds ..and can only be sustained in the end with knowledge ...Art and LUCK. 

                  You can come closer ....and have better results than anyone else ......and still lose money with such negative odds. 

                 $$ Money wise ...... we should all be playing some other games...... like almost any tight slot machine out there. I Agree!

     

     

       P.S.

         Pick 3 has upwards of 10 or15 times worse odds than any high odds Vegas Slot machine. What?   

     

     

    The only real failure .....is the failure to try.                               

                                  Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much. 

                                  Odds never change .....but probability does. 

                                                                                           Win d    

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      Posted: September 16, 2014, 2:27 pm - IP Logged

      ok Ten day window to long.... key in on 3 day window..As for me it's Draw to Draw Florida only..

      My Master Chart is 60 to 80 plays every draw..Starting Point

      From there 3 or 4 key numbers   Mid today  3    6    9

      Pairs are here 

      25 27 26 57 56 76

        And Here

      09 03 06 93 96 36

      Doubles               

       33 66 99 55 play with 2...3...and 4'.... for 3rd digit 

      Mid Picks  937 760 961 964 097 356 269 368    As for me A few more than 7 or 8 plays is better

      But i'll give it a shot..Right or Wrong that my take on 3digit Game

      Doubles may fall for Mid...big question For Lunch today Will Doubles fall ?

      Good Post TasBob !

       Thank you for your excellent perspective and thoughtful process. Fla lottery should be nervous with that kind of organized play around.   LOL   

       

       

      The only real failure .....is the failure to try.                               

                                    Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much. 

                                    Odds never change .....but probability does. 

                                                                                             Win d    

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        So what you seem to be looking for is a "trigger" or an "indicator" that will let you know when any given group is about  to appear"  so that you are ready and waiting when the hits start to appear

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        My Short sum 0 or 5 seen or coming  90% of the time

        when these combos fall they are "triggers" or an "indicators

         

        400 401 402  404 405 406 408 409

        040 041 042 044 045 046 048 049

        490 491 493 494 495 496 498 499

        940 941 943 944 945 946 948 949 

        671 672 673 674 675 677 676 678

        761 762 763 764 765 766 768

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          Tialuvslotto's avatar - Jailin
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          Thank goodness for you and your great post Tialuvslotto!

                 Your post are some of the best of all .....and some of the most thoughtful post on the forum. I'm just afraid you will get frustrated like so many of the great ones over the years. 

           

           

                                 It all starts with the math and odds of the game and it's true .....with any game of chance. 

          In any  negative odds game... it all begins with math and odds ..and can only be sustained in the end with knowledge ...Art and LUCK. 

                        You can come closer ....and have better results than anyone else ......and still lose money with such negative odds. 

                       $$ Money wise ...... we should all be playing some other games...... like almost any tight slot machine out there. I Agree!

           

           

             P.S.

               Pick 3 has upwards of 10 or15 times worse odds than any high odds Vegas Slot machine. What?   

          Merci du compliment, Win D!  Coming from one of the greats that really means a lot.

           

          You can come closer ....and have better results than anyone else ......and still lose money with such negative odds. 

           

          So true!  But, really, isn't that what makes it so interestingWhite Bounce

          "There is no such thing as luck; only adequate or inadequate preparation to cope with a statistical universe."

          ~Robert A. Heinlein

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            10 Boxed singles are 8.33 percent of the possible 120, and will hit 8.33 percent of the time that you get a single (given a large enough sample of draws).

            IMMUTABLE RULE OF NUMBERS!!!

            So, there is not a "magical" group that hits more than another group.  However, said "pool" of 10 numbers will have hot and cold streaks, sometimes hitting 4 or 5 times in 10 draws, sometimes not hitting for 50 draws in a row.

            So what you seem to be looking for is a "trigger" or an "indicator" that will let you know when any given group is about to change from cold to hot so that you are ready and waiting when the hits start to appear.

            Perhaps a short-term frequency indicator, like a moving average would help.  When the average bottoms out it might indicate that more hits are ahead?  Or something along those lines -- I suspect that my idea is too simplistic.

            Don't give up!  Starry-eyed dreamers are responsible for many great inventions!

            Excellent post.  Thank you.

            love to nibble those micey feet.

             

                                         

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              Georgia...trigger 358...short sum 0

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                Good Post TasBob !

                 Thank you for your excellent perspective and thoughtful process. Fla lottery should be nervous with that kind of organized play around.   LOL   

                Thks Win D     I like a lot of your work, Been reading your posts for a long time..Tks Again

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                  These states got the triggers on 9/15.....
                  thus within 3 days ...9/18..Short sum 0  or 5 hits ...90% of the time
                   
                   
                   
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                    What would the "Holy Grail" of playing the Pick 3 game look like?...

                    Unless the game is completely corrupt (which it's not), it's not "knowing the winning number in advance," because that's literally impossible. But unless you believe the games (i.e., that aren't run off falling balls) are just randomly picking any number from 000-999 using no factors whatsoever… there has to be a reduced pool of numbers at work in any given play. And we here on lp all use filters to sift whatever pools we've improvised for our winning selections.

                    So we have two tools at our disposal: pools, and filters.

                    A filter isn't a pool, though often it looks like one. A "due sum," for example, isn't a pool, because there's no guarantee a due sum is coming in X number of plays.

                    A pool is: A reduced set of numbers that are guaranteed within X number of plays to pay off.

                    The only immediately guaranteed pool of numbers I know, is the pool of one thousand numbers.  Too big.  So we reduce it.

                    You can, say, reduce it by half.  That's still 500 numbers.  One can measure the pay-off rate, and then create a formula for that pool.  But that pool is much too large for feasibility.

                    But here's one guaranteed, dramatically reduced pool: playing boxes.  The pool of 120 singles boxes reduces the overall pool, and guarantees pay-off within (most of the time) one or two plays max.  Again, though, it's too large for our normal use, not to mention profitability.  So we filter those 120 boxes down.

                    The Holy Grail, then, still wouldn't be ever finer filters applied to this 120 box pool - because filters can never take the place of a guaranteed pool.

                    The Holy Grail of number sets - our working pools - would have to then have two elements: (1) Be reduced to a manageable amount, and (2) guaranteed to pay off within manageable amounts of plays.

                    But what is "manageable"?  Debatable.  But I'd venture to say... speaking in terms of singles boxes only now...

                    If one could discover (a) a pool of numbers somewhere between 10-20; that (b) was guaranteed to pay off within 10 plays (with, ideally, the bulk of such payoffs being less than about 1/2 that amount, i.e., < five to six plays consistently); and, as difficult as those two alone are, the necessary piéce de résistance: (cIf this pool could be calculated before any filter was ever applied to it.

                    ... then that would indeed be the Holy Grail of the Pick 3 game.  Right? Smile

                    If you want the best go with lotto laughs and blackapple. BA is master with roots he shows the real results.    Lottolaughs 90 degrees and shady system are really good.  You can filter down from there.  Dr miracle and abodea have some great ideas also.    I use their ideas and systems and they work.  No constant  bs about percentages and number chasing. 

                     

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                    How about them cowboys!

                     

                     

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                      These states got the triggers on 9/15.....
                      thus within 3 days ...9/18..Short sum 0  or 5 hits ...90% of the time
                       
                       
                       
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                      I'm thinking it's closer to 70% than 90%.

                      Jimmy

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                        There are 4 separate pools of numbers in the Pick 3. Using the 120 box numbers they are:

                        1) The numbers that start with 0. 36 #'s & 30% of the 120 pool.

                        2) The numbers that start with 1.  28#'s & 23.3% of the 120 pool. 

                        3) The numbers that start with 2.  21#'s & 17.5% of the 120 pool.  (These 3 combined are 85#'s & 70.8% of the 120 pool.)

                        4) The numbers that start with 3,4,5,6,7. Let's call them, "all the others." These are 35#'s & 29.1% of the 120 pool.

                        These can be reduced even further to 25#'s, 19#'s, 17#'s, and 21#'s by using clean numbers. If these are still too many, you

                        can filter even more with sums or root sums or any other way you prefer. All that's left to do is to decide which group to use.

                        "You can observe a lot just by watching." Yogi Berra, Hall of Fame baseball player.

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                          What would the "Holy Grail" of playing the Pick 3 game look like?...

                          Unless the game is completely corrupt (which it's not), it's not "knowing the winning number in advance," because that's literally impossible. But unless you believe the games (i.e., that aren't run off falling balls) are just randomly picking any number from 000-999 using no factors whatsoever… there has to be a reduced pool of numbers at work in any given play. And we here on lp all use filters to sift whatever pools we've improvised for our winning selections.

                          So we have two tools at our disposal: pools, and filters.

                          A filter isn't a pool, though often it looks like one. A "due sum," for example, isn't a pool, because there's no guarantee a due sum is coming in X number of plays.

                          A pool is: A reduced set of numbers that are guaranteed within X number of plays to pay off.

                          The only immediately guaranteed pool of numbers I know, is the pool of one thousand numbers.  Too big.  So we reduce it.

                          You can, say, reduce it by half.  That's still 500 numbers.  One can measure the pay-off rate, and then create a formula for that pool.  But that pool is much too large for feasibility.

                          But here's one guaranteed, dramatically reduced pool: playing boxes.  The pool of 120 singles boxes reduces the overall pool, and guarantees pay-off within (most of the time) one or two plays max.  Again, though, it's too large for our normal use, not to mention profitability.  So we filter those 120 boxes down.

                          The Holy Grail, then, still wouldn't be ever finer filters applied to this 120 box pool - because filters can never take the place of a guaranteed pool.

                          The Holy Grail of number sets - our working pools - would have to then have two elements: (1) Be reduced to a manageable amount, and (2) guaranteed to pay off within manageable amounts of plays.

                          But what is "manageable"?  Debatable.  But I'd venture to say... speaking in terms of singles boxes only now...

                          If one could discover (a) a pool of numbers somewhere between 10-20; that (b) was guaranteed to pay off within 10 plays (with, ideally, the bulk of such payoffs being less than about 1/2 that amount, i.e., < five to six plays consistently); and, as difficult as those two alone are, the necessary piéce de résistance: (cIf this pool could be calculated before any filter was ever applied to it.

                          ... then that would indeed be the Holy Grail of the Pick 3 game.  Right? Smile

                          Hint  : Prediction interval formula subsets any data pool,   my take on this is purely conceptual.

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                            There are 4 separate pools of numbers in the Pick 3. Using the 120 box numbers they are:

                            1) The numbers that start with 0. 36 #'s & 30% of the 120 pool.

                            2) The numbers that start with 1.  28#'s & 23.3% of the 120 pool. 

                            3) The numbers that start with 2.  21#'s & 17.5% of the 120 pool.  (These 3 combined are 85#'s & 70.8% of the 120 pool.)

                            4) The numbers that start with 3,4,5,6,7. Let's call them, "all the others." These are 35#'s & 29.1% of the 120 pool.

                            These can be reduced even further to 25#'s, 19#'s, 17#'s, and 21#'s by using clean numbers. If these are still too many, you

                            can filter even more with sums or root sums or any other way you prefer. All that's left to do is to decide which group to use.

                            Do you have a breakdown for pick4     Tks Tas

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                              I'm thinking it's closer to 70% than 90%.

                              Jimmy

                              After further calculations the math says 74% confidence level to match any 2 shortsum values in 3 days assuming 2 draws a day or 6 draws.

                              Jimmy

                                 
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