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# So what would the "Holy Grail" of Pick 3 playing be?

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 Posted: September 16, 2014, 8:43 pm - IP Logged

Do you have a breakdown for pick4     Tks Tas

I also broke it down with root sums for singles, and doubles further down in the thread.

Good Luck!!!

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The numbers will tell you what numbers to play. Pay attention to the numbers.

Don't just think outside the box, crush it.

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I also broke it down with root sums for singles, and doubles further down in the thread.

Good Luck!!!

For pick 4, #'s stating with 0. 84#'s & 40%.  #'s starting with 1. 56#'s & 26.6%.  #'s starting with 2. 35#'s & 16.6%.  The all others are: 35#'s & 16.6%.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." Yogi Berra, Hall of Fame baseball player.

The numbers will tell you what numbers to play. Pay attention to the numbers.

Don't just think outside the box, crush it.

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After further calculations the math says 74% confidence level to match any 2 shortsum values in 3 days assuming 2 draws a day or 6 draws.

Jimmy

Hmmm........ including all the numbers under the 2 short sums is 200 numbers.      20% of the 1000 chart.......or 1/5 of everything. At least one of the 2 Ssum should hit every 5th draw of course. No matter what. No matter what proceeds....

If we indeed play them for each of the games .......or 2 times per day for 3 days/6 games .....that would be1200 numbers in play!  Hit?..... of course during that time.

So, yes that sounds like we should get at least ONE hit ......in 6 games......including all of those 1200 numbers over 6 games during that time.   LOL

We'll take that bet...... one of those 1200 numbers should hit at least once over 6 games . Yep.... most times the bigger odds and percents rule

.....and that's no matter what .."triggers" hit before. Does not matter at all.

We shouldn't need any triggers or anything else ....with that wide of an open road.

The only real failure .....is the failure to try.

Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much.

Odds never change .....but probability does.

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There are 4 separate pools of numbers in the Pick 3. Using the 120 box numbers they are:

1) The numbers that start with 0. 36 #'s & 30% of the 120 pool.

2) The numbers that start with 1.  28#'s & 23.3% of the 120 pool.

3) The numbers that start with 2.  21#'s & 17.5% of the 120 pool.  (These 3 combined are 85#'s & 70.8% of the 120 pool.)

4) The numbers that start with 3,4,5,6,7. Let's call them, "all the others." These are 35#'s & 29.1% of the 120 pool.

These can be reduced even further to 25#'s, 19#'s, 17#'s, and 21#'s by using clean numbers. If these are still too many, you

can filter even more with sums or root sums or any other way you prefer. All that's left to do is to decide which group to use.

These can be reduced even further to 25#'s, 19#'s, 17#'s, and 21#'s by using clean numbers. If these are still too many, you

can filter even more with sums or root sums or any other way you prefer. All that's left to do is to decide which group to use.

NICE!! Then just hone in using the Key number for that day/draw.

I use two sets in particular.

List of consecutives only(21) using Key numbers.**

List of clean numbers(80) broken down using Key numbers.(24-25 number group)

Digits play 3 times back to back with in 3 draws whenever it comes out of hiding.

So I use that to my advantage. Take 2 good hits and grab another digit & do

the same thing. Worse case scenario...it may skip a draw, but for the most part

it follows the rules.

The goal is to approach the Pick 3 & Pick 4 game sensibly and systematically!!

I'm not like the guy who predicted the end of the world and nothing happened.

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These can be reduced even further to 25#'s, 19#'s, 17#'s, and 21#'s by using clean numbers. If these are still too many, you

can filter even more with sums or root sums or any other way you prefer. All that's left to do is to decide which group to use.

NICE!! Then just hone in using the Key number for that day/draw.

I use two sets in particular.

List of consecutives only(21) using Key numbers.**

List of clean numbers(80) broken down using Key numbers.(24-25 number group)

Digits play 3 times back to back with in 3 draws whenever it comes out of hiding.

So I use that to my advantage. Take 2 good hits and grab another digit & do

the same thing. Worse case scenario...it may skip a draw, but for the most part

it follows the rules.

Nice strategy.  I break it down with root sums to narrow things down. I also use key #'s. I get 82 clean #'s. Which two are you eliminating?

"You can observe a lot just by watching." Yogi Berra, Hall of Fame baseball player.

The numbers will tell you what numbers to play. Pay attention to the numbers.

Don't just think outside the box, crush it.

Let's Go Rangers!!!
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Pick 3  Clean#'s by Root Sums.

RS 1  019-037-127-136-145-235-289-469-478   9#'s

RS 2  029-038-047-056-128-146-236-245-389-479  10#'s

RS 3  039-057-129-138-147-156-237-345-489  9#'s

RS 4  049-058-067-148-238-247-256-346  8#'s

RS 5  059-149-158-167-239-257-347-356  8#'s

RS 6  015-069-078-168-249-258-267-348-456  9#'s

RS 7  016-025-079-169-178-259-349-358-367-457  10#'s

RS 8  017-035-089-125-269-278-368-458-467  9#'s

RS 9  018-027-036-045-126-189-279-369-378-459  10#'s

"You can observe a lot just by watching." Yogi Berra, Hall of Fame baseball player.

The numbers will tell you what numbers to play. Pay attention to the numbers.

Don't just think outside the box, crush it.

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Wow, so many incredible responses! I thank everyone for leading me on to think about all this in larger ways than I'd first imagined. Hopefully this kind of musing is entertaining, and leads us all on to better strategies.

Blackapple: That's a brilliant bit of deduction! And yes, absolutely, triggers and indicators are the next best thing to striking gold. But that's also a giant pool, of 75 boxes. Yes, the filters should be applied to this, after that short sum is discovered. How much can one reasonably shrink 75 sets down, though? You seem to be unbelievably successful around here in calling wins, but how wide a swath of this kind of pool do you play on average?

Same for TasBob - do you play \$60-80 a draw?! Are you pilling up single plays, for maximum payouts? Or is it 60-80 different numbers?

Grwurston: This is excellently reasoned and your clean list is very attractive. I've divided the same 120 boxes down into sets of ten myself, but often they're unmanageable. I've wondered something about this anyway: The order of the boxes you have and I have used, too, is an accident of numeric placement - i.e., because 0 comes before 1, and 1 before 2, etc., is why you and I (er, me and you?) have ended up with thirty-six 0s, and twenty-eight 1s, etc. But there's no logical reason for ordering it like this: one could just as soon switch placement of every digit, and then have, say thirty-six 4s and twenty-eight 9s, and etc.

Which leads to a larger point: Though the digits can be placed in any order in these kind of calculations (which is to say, all digits are interchangeable on the one hand or in some workouts), they are not interchangeable in others (figuring out sums, etc.); but also not interchangeable in the actual win. This might seem stupidly obvious - for me to win against winning numbers 123, of course I have to have numbers 123 - but the fact remains that one could erase numbers altogether and be working with letters of the alphabet: ABC wins, not BCD, etc. I think there's a clue here to the inner mechanisms of the game, the fact that numbers are on the one hand numbers, with mathematical properties; but on the other hand no more than symbolic placeholders: they could be each a unique emoji and the game works exactly the same. This mystery is something which I'm trying to figure out myself, its implications to the play of the game….

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Tia, and WinD, and GaryO: I like your cold-reality reasoning. It's something I always fall back on myself, and for all that the algorithmic "secret hand" may be at play, it is amazing how the constant play of the game seems to usually conform to standard results consistent with random probability.

No pool of any kind could be mechanically perfect: you don't get a pool of ten numbers out of one hundred paying off every tenth time, bam bam bam bam bam. That would be a fixed game. So, one would expect swings - consistency, rapid-payoffs, long-outs. And like the world's climate, one would also expect much larger and longer and even more sweeping "seasons" to the game, too - periods where there will be a drought of doubles, or where doubles fall like snow, etc.

But CTNY does what I try to do, and want to do in more perfect form: isolate a pool, and apply filters. Just to clarify: I'm not saying there's one standard pool that stays constant all through all plays of the game, day in and day out, hope everyone knows I don't mean that. I believe every draw creates a pool, or contributes to one; and there's always any number of pools at play, waiting to pay off. I call them "pools," because I don't have a name for whatever it is the game is doing internally, where there's no language to communicate abstract possibly-Adobea78-ian calculations: even Adobea has a series of numbers he plays for when the situations arise.

The 111 system Calady provides every day on the California Lottery thread is a great example… but a bit unwieldy, with eighteen numbers that pay out over 30 days, and has anyone back-tested it for consistent pay-off time-frames? The "Holy Grail," as I posited it, is (1) a small pool of numbers, (2) guaranteed to pay off over a short (let's say, not unreasonable) period of time, that is (3) entirely pre-filters. This ensures small bets consistently placed, that results in either smaller losses (i.e., you play a few times then miss it because say you calculate wrong, but only lose a negligible amount of \$\$\$), or larger wins (i.e., compared to the \$\$\$ invested to get that win).

But yeah, even as I look at what I just wrote, what I want… ha! Why don't I just throw in a pink unicorn and world peace, while I'm at it?

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The order of the digits is important for tracking purposes. I track them the way they are drawn and also as I have them in the

chart above. The 0,1,2 appear in almost 71% of the 120 #'s so therefore they are most likely to be drawn as the lowest

number in the drawn set. By writing them in lowest to highest order, you can see which is currently hitting the most (0,1,2)

and at the same time you can fairly well predict when "one of the other" numbers (the 3,4,5,6,7) are due to hit as the lowest

number. They usually don't hit more then once or  twice in a row on either game Pick 3 or Pick 4. I'm talking about the

3,4,5,6,7 just to be clear. Whereas the 0,1,2 will often hit several days in a row. In addition, knowing where the lowest

number will hit, 1st, 2nd, or 3rd position can make it easier for getting straights. In other words if you feel reasonably sure,

say the 1 is going to be in the 1st position, all you need to do is flip flop the other two numbers in position 2 & 3. A lot

cheaper than playing a 6 way combo for sure.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." Yogi Berra, Hall of Fame baseball player.

The numbers will tell you what numbers to play. Pay attention to the numbers.

Don't just think outside the box, crush it.

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Pick 3  Clean#'s by Root Sums.

RS 1  019-037-127-136-145-235-289-469-478   9#'s

RS 2  029-038-047-056-128-146-236-245-389-479  10#'s

RS 3  039-057-129-138-147-156-237-345-489  9#'s

RS 4  049-058-067-148-238-247-256-346  8#'s

RS 5  059-149-158-167-239-257-347-356  8#'s

RS 6  015-069-078-168-249-258-267-348-456  9#'s

RS 7  016-025-079-169-178-259-349-358-367-457  10#'s

RS 8  017-035-089-125-269-278-368-458-467  9#'s

RS 9  018-027-036-045-126-189-279-369-378-459  10#'s

I don't know anything about sums, but this list looks nice and reduced

The goal is to approach the Pick 3 & Pick 4 game sensibly and systematically!!

I'm not like the guy who predicted the end of the world and nothing happened.

Let's Go Rangers!!!
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I don't know anything about sums, but this list looks nice and reduced

Yes, it definitely cuts down the play list. If you know the lowest number and the root sum, doesn't have to be the exact root

sum, even if you play 3 or 4 of them, you can cash in.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." Yogi Berra, Hall of Fame baseball player.

The numbers will tell you what numbers to play. Pay attention to the numbers.

Don't just think outside the box, crush it.

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But yeah, even as I look at what I just wrote, what I want… ha! Why don't I just throw in a pink unicorn and world peace, while I'm at it?

Humor, you know we need it dealing with these numbers.

I spent a good few months just staring at the board, sleepless nights

attempting to crack the "code". I like P3 but P4 I love

The goal is to approach the Pick 3 & Pick 4 game sensibly and systematically!!

I'm not like the guy who predicted the end of the world and nothing happened.

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Yes, it definitely cuts down the play list. If you know the lowest number and the root sum, doesn't have to be the exact root

sum, even if you play 3 or 4 of them, you can cash in.

I'll broaden my education on Sums.

What I have noticed though from NY's lottery results on their site, is that sums hits in 3's just like digits.

ex. 17. 17. 26. 17 is this a good observation to go by?

The goal is to approach the Pick 3 & Pick 4 game sensibly and systematically!!

I'm not like the guy who predicted the end of the world and nothing happened.

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good work black apple. you are your work is truly appreciated. I love the effort you put into your ideas.

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I'll broaden my education on Sums.

What I have noticed though from NY's lottery results on their site, is that sums hits in 3's just like digits.

ex. 17. 17. 26. 17 is this a good observation to go by?

Root sums are different. You take the sum and keep adding till you get to one number. Example sum 14. 1+4=5. Root sum is 5. Sum 24. 2+4= 6 root sum is 6. Sum 19 1+9=10, 1+0 =1. root sum is 1.  Sum 29. 2+9=11, 1+1=2 root sum is 2.  Single digit sums are the root sum. Sum 7 = root sum 7.

Root sums do not usually have the same root sum hit 2 days in a row. Normally it may happen once every 2-3 weeks or so. But like anything else it can get on a hot spell. Normally they go up, down, up, down from day to day. Usually 2 to 5 higher or lower than the root sum from the day before. Individual Root sums will usually hit in streaks of about 3 maybe 4 at very most, but it may take a week or so to happen. Sometimes they may hit 2 days apart. Once you start tracking them you'll really see it.

What you can do is get  some graph paper. Write the dates across the top and the root sums on the left side. I go 9 down to 1. Then each day put a mark on the root sum for that day and then just connect the dots. Go back about a month and you'll get a good idea of how they go.

Use the paper with the smaller boxes, that way you can go about 7 weeks across the page instead of about 5 weeks with the bigger boxes. Good luck with it.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." Yogi Berra, Hall of Fame baseball player.

The numbers will tell you what numbers to play. Pay attention to the numbers.

Don't just think outside the box, crush it.

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