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Why are American lotteries rigged?

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Posted: June 28, 2016, 9:41 am - IP Logged

And thats your opinion and I have mine.....Live with it its called freedom of speech

It's just amazing that people will create an account on a website dedicated to lotteries, and start spouting about a game with odds of 1 in 258 million or 1 in 292 million, (just think about those numbers for a minute) being rigged. It simply shows that there is a complete lack of understanding of the odds and how many combinations those game consist of. Every draw they sell a fraction of those combinations. A fraction. It's no surprise we are going to see long runs.

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    Looks like we have another "I didn't win it therefore it must be rigged" poster.

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    Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

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    There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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      I play the Canadian lottery, i haven't been winning much lately, but do not want to get discouraged!

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        Looks like we have another "I didn't win it therefore it must be rigged" poster.

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        In the contrary no........simply following valid stats

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           If the lottery is rigged then a lot of people would have to be in on it including the IRS. They would also have to pay off the winners a good amount to keep quiet.

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            I have been noticing American lotteries being rigged Your Mega Millions and Powerball as if you compare the Amount of jackpot winners with Australian or England lotteries you will see much more jackpot winners last Australian lotto 14 people have won a jackpot sharing a jackpot.Its sad to know you spend money on a lottery thats openly rigged i am sure allot of folks will feel the same.As if the odds are not already astronomically high the officials have their hands in the cookie jars.Shame on you American and African lotteries.My own countrys lotteries are also rigged and the Americans seems too openly rigged....sad for all us lottery players

            Current Australia Powerball lottery jackpot: $3,000,000 AUD (appx: $2.2 million USD).  Odds 1:76,767,600. 

            Recent jackpot wins:

            June 23 TY; $3 million - 1 winner

            June 16 TY; $6 million - 2 winners

            June 02 TY; $6 million - 1 winner

            Winners and jackpots patterned accordingly, with occasional abnormalities.  I do not see 14 people recently sharing a single jackpot in the Australian Powerball lotto.  If indeed this were to happen each would receive approximately $428,000 AUD based on a $6 million jackpot and $214,000 based on a $3 million jackpot.  Though a nice sum, not a massive amount.  Yes, there are many more winners, however YES, the odds are approximately four times less than the US Powerball, and the jackpots are considerably lower. 

            Is the US Powerball rigged?  No.  Is the US lottery manipulated?  Yes, through odds creation and payout determination, as ALL lotteries are.  The house always wins at the end of the day, for this is required for the house to exist.

            If you were to research the US Powerball sales stats you would see on 06/25 TY Powerball sales were $38,946,942 (non-inclusive Powerplay which does not change odds of winning).  Since this is sales and not actual tickets sold divide the sales figure by 2 ($2 per ticket) for a total of 19,473,471 tickets sold.  With odds of 292,201,338 and only 19,473,471 tickets sold there were 272,727,867 chances of a jackpot ticket not being sold, or a 93% chance of NO WINNER.   This is the reason for lack of lottery jackpot winners; odds and ticket sales.  Not lotteries being rigged.  With such odds rigging is not required.

              I'm feeling a jackpot win coming my way!

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              Current Australia Powerball lottery jackpot: $3,000,000 AUD (appx: $2.2 million USD).  Odds 1:76,767,600. 

              Recent jackpot wins:

              June 23 TY; $3 million - 1 winner

              June 16 TY; $6 million - 2 winners

              June 02 TY; $6 million - 1 winner

              Winners and jackpots patterned accordingly, with occasional abnormalities.  I do not see 14 people recently sharing a single jackpot in the Australian Powerball lotto.  If indeed this were to happen each would receive approximately $428,000 AUD based on a $6 million jackpot and $214,000 based on a $3 million jackpot.  Though a nice sum, not a massive amount.  Yes, there are many more winners, however YES, the odds are approximately four times less than the US Powerball, and the jackpots are considerably lower. 

              Is the US Powerball rigged?  No.  Is the US lottery manipulated?  Yes, through odds creation and payout determination, as ALL lotteries are.  The house always wins at the end of the day, for this is required for the house to exist.

              If you were to research the US Powerball sales stats you would see on 06/25 TY Powerball sales were $38,946,942 (non-inclusive Powerplay which does not change odds of winning).  Since this is sales and not actual tickets sold divide the sales figure by 2 ($2 per ticket) for a total of 19,473,471 tickets sold.  With odds of 292,201,338 and only 19,473,471 tickets sold there were 272,727,867 chances of a jackpot ticket not being sold, or a 93% chance of NO WINNER.   This is the reason for lack of lottery jackpot winners; odds and ticket sales.  Not lotteries being rigged.  With such odds rigging is not required.

              Had an Australian friend giving me that info will go find out where he got that info. True perhaps much higher odds but what I do like is to see 3 wins in a month as per your example. Wont that motivate you to play ? Just a fair question. Every draw on MM or PB its like numbers specifically chosen not to win. Ramping up sales. Anyway all what I say its nice to play a lottery where you see jackpots being won. To have a lottery running for 2 -3 months no winner is demoting to any player.We can salute the Ausies of at least giving a "picture" of a winnable lottery. We cant say that from a few lotteries world wide sadly as they have "fixed patterns"

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                Had an Australian friend giving me that info will go find out where he got that info. True perhaps much higher odds but what I do like is to see 3 wins in a month as per your example. Wont that motivate you to play ? Just a fair question. Every draw on MM or PB its like numbers specifically chosen not to win. Ramping up sales. Anyway all what I say its nice to play a lottery where you see jackpots being won. To have a lottery running for 2 -3 months no winner is demoting to any player.We can salute the Ausies of at least giving a "picture" of a winnable lottery. We cant say that from a few lotteries world wide sadly as they have "fixed patterns"

                Or you cant just check draw history on ozlotteries . com or tatts . com  (official australia lottery site)

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                  Or you cant just check draw history on ozlotteries . com or tatts . com  (official australia lottery site)

                  Saw your stats thanks for your posts bigbuckswede......yeah I will go google and check myself.He posted this morning that there was recently 14 winners. We had about 8 years ago 29 people sharing a Jackpot in South-Africa -that was in the good old days as a new operator and they are more money hungry etc.......We normally see 1 person winning a jackpot if we lucky every 2 months.Heck that can still work even if you see a single winner in a month. I do understand the matrix changes is possibly responsible for that though. Not being blind but the frequency of winners is extremely low in your main games

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                    Had an Australian friend giving me that info will go find out where he got that info. True perhaps much higher odds but what I do like is to see 3 wins in a month as per your example. Wont that motivate you to play ? Just a fair question. Every draw on MM or PB its like numbers specifically chosen not to win. Ramping up sales. Anyway all what I say its nice to play a lottery where you see jackpots being won. To have a lottery running for 2 -3 months no winner is demoting to any player.We can salute the Ausies of at least giving a "picture" of a winnable lottery. We cant say that from a few lotteries world wide sadly as they have "fixed patterns"

                    Many play for the higher jackpot amounts.  I personally rarely play the lower odd games, even though the chance to win is greater, because of the lower prize amounts.  Do not misunderstand, I certainly wouldn't mind a $2.2 million US win, however I limit my gambling funds therefore choose to play for a higher risk versus reward.  As such, if the ability to choose between the OZ Powerball or the US Powerball, I opt for the US version.  Also, many States have their own individual lotto games similar in odds and prize amount to the Australia game.

                    As for "Every draw on MM or PB its like numbers specifically chosen not to win"... "Ramping up sales".  The sales ramping occurs due to the manipulation, not rigging.  It is estimated to occur based on the odds and pattern of ticket sales.  Could numbers be chosen not to win?  No, because that would require a computerized system be used to select winning numbers (random number generator, or if rigged just a number generator).  Fortunately MegaMillions and Powerball, at least in the US, uses balls to select winning numbers.  The long run without winners is due to the extreme odds.  There are approximately 242.5 million adults living in the US.  That number is less than the odds of winning the Powerball.  Hence, if every adult in the US had a unique ticket for the drawing there would still be 50,000,000 possibilities no one would win, and all by design as to function.

                      I'm feeling a jackpot win coming my way!

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                      Many play for the higher jackpot amounts.  I personally rarely play the lower odd games, even though the chance to win is greater, because of the lower prize amounts.  Do not misunderstand, I certainly wouldn't mind a $2.2 million US win, however I limit my gambling funds therefore choose to play for a higher risk versus reward.  As such, if the ability to choose between the OZ Powerball or the US Powerball, I opt for the US version.  Also, many States have their own individual lotto games similar in odds and prize amount to the Australia game.

                      As for "Every draw on MM or PB its like numbers specifically chosen not to win"... "Ramping up sales".  The sales ramping occurs due to the manipulation, not rigging.  It is estimated to occur based on the odds and pattern of ticket sales.  Could numbers be chosen not to win?  No, because that would require a computerized system be used to select winning numbers (random number generator, or if rigged just a number generator).  Fortunately MegaMillions and Powerball, at least in the US, uses balls to select winning numbers.  The long run without winners is due to the extreme odds.  There are approximately 242.5 million adults living in the US.  That number is less than the odds of winning the Powerball.  Hence, if every adult in the US had a unique ticket for the drawing there would still be 50,000,000 possibilities no one would win, and all by design as to function.

                      Ok he was correct 14 jackpot winners.

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                        Many play for the higher jackpot amounts.  I personally rarely play the lower odd games, even though the chance to win is greater, because of the lower prize amounts.  Do not misunderstand, I certainly wouldn't mind a $2.2 million US win, however I limit my gambling funds therefore choose to play for a higher risk versus reward.  As such, if the ability to choose between the OZ Powerball or the US Powerball, I opt for the US version.  Also, many States have their own individual lotto games similar in odds and prize amount to the Australia game.

                        As for "Every draw on MM or PB its like numbers specifically chosen not to win"... "Ramping up sales".  The sales ramping occurs due to the manipulation, not rigging.  It is estimated to occur based on the odds and pattern of ticket sales.  Could numbers be chosen not to win?  No, because that would require a computerized system be used to select winning numbers (random number generator, or if rigged just a number generator).  Fortunately MegaMillions and Powerball, at least in the US, uses balls to select winning numbers.  The long run without winners is due to the extreme odds.  There are approximately 242.5 million adults living in the US.  That number is less than the odds of winning the Powerball.  Hence, if every adult in the US had a unique ticket for the drawing there would still be 50,000,000 possibilities no one would win, and all by design as to function.

                        Good point !!!! Yes I am sure everyone will have their own views on "rigging" and "manipulation" and we can debate this for hours on end. In my case I would prefer to play a smaller lottery with constant wins than a mega lottery having 1 win in 2-3 months.

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                          There's a good point that was mentioned earlier... "With the odds being what they are, there's no need in rigging the lotto... I totally agree with that. It's so easy to get discouraged each time none of my numbers hit... But then when I remind myself of the amount of possible combinations and then the odds... There's really not much else I can say other than I'm guilty of getting my hopes set a little high here and there. 

                           

                          I do do feel the same as others here... For some reason I feel confident I can win a decent sized jackpot. I guess that's why I keep it up when I can. For me personally I have to slow myself down at times and not play so often.

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                            The  only sane way to think is that most lotteries offer a really low chance of win than other, some lower than others. So I always play using a cost/prob ratio with current jackpots. Aus lotteries is always good to play. I have an easy way to calculate:
                            Ratio = (prob/cash)*cost of ticket per line
                            MM (258/265)*$2 = 1,94
                            the lower the ratio the better to play, not scientifc at all just my own way to keep track of what to play and when. I play many online lotteries and aus lotteries always rank top to play, due to low ticket prizes

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                              The  only sane way to think is that most lotteries offer a really low chance of win than other, some lower than others. So I always play using a cost/prob ratio with current jackpots. Aus lotteries is always good to play. I have an easy way to calculate:
                              Ratio = (prob/cash)*cost of ticket per line
                              MM (258/265)*$2 = 1,94
                              the lower the ratio the better to play, not scientifc at all just my own way to keep track of what to play and when. I play many online lotteries and aus lotteries always rank top to play, due to low ticket prizes

                              There is a mistake in your formula. The cost of a Mega Millions ticket is $1.

                                 
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