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vtracs....useless or not??

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None of the systems that I use beat random expectation by more than 100%, so I don't play them.  What's the point in pick3 to play such a system?  There os none.  Anyway, when you guys cough up proof and a set procedure on vtracs, I'll be more than happy to oblige you with proof of a system that beats random expectation.  If you know anything you'd know that systems that beat random expectation are everywhere.  Even in many posts on this site.  Do you even know any math or what?  If you did have a grasp, then you'd know what I'm talking about.  Just use some logic instead of emotion, intuition or whatever.  Look objectively, not subjectively.   

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    None of the systems that I use beat random expectation by more than 100%, so I don't play them.  What's the point in pick3 to play such a system?  There os none.  Anyway, when you guys cough up proof and a set procedure on vtracs, I'll be more than happy to oblige you with proof of a system that beats random expectation.  If you know anything you'd know that systems that beat random expectation are everywhere.  Even in many posts on this site.  Do you even know any math or what?  If you did have a grasp, then you'd know what I'm talking about.  Just use some logic instead of emotion, intuition or whatever.  Look objectively, not subjectively.   

    Thank you, finally we get to the punchline of this discussion.

    Because you have set up impossible conditions for any system to meet, you can insert the name of any system in the subject line of the topic, and the answer (according to you) will always be "it's useless."

    We all know that the lottery is purposely constructed to be as random as possible, so there is NO system that will always win.  It's more of a concept that you have to "strike when the iron is hot", meaning that you have to play the right numbers at the right time, and any consistencies in number occurences are fleeting, so if you are looking for long-term consistencies, you will likely not find them.

    Now that all that's been said, let's look at this topic thread.

    I pointed out a number of quotes from you, and there was nothing "out of context" about them.  You have consistently made disparaging remarks about a system that either (a) you know little about or (b) you are predisposed against.  Either way, your comments are not fair.

    Even after many, many people said that vtracs is not intended to be used by itself, you persisted in demanding proof that it "beats random expectation."

    Maybe you just don't take the time to read what people are writing, but then if that's the case, why bother asking the question?  (Unless there is some reason for just writing the question itself.)

    Since you're looking for mathematical certainty in choosing a system, I would suggest that you completely avoid playing both the lottery and the stock market.  In fact, any kind of gambling itself should be off-limits to you.  Sporting events should also be avoided.

    What you are looking for does not exist, which is why they call it "gambling".

     

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      xavier102772 responds:
      "None of the systems that I use beat random expectation by more than 100%, so I don't play them."

      I'm confused, if you don't play any of the systems you use, do you play the lotteries at all?

      I don't think a repeatable system that beats random expectation exists for any lottery type game but I could be wrong.  I've been reading most of the system posts since before I became a member and I don't recall anyone every proving that such a system exits.  Could you post a link to one of those system that you say is everywhere.  Thank you.

      RJOh

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        Todd,

        Your responses are fast.  I started writing a respond to xavier's post and before I was done and post, your respond was up and I didn't see it.  I'm sorry if I repeated your respond.

        RJOh

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          Folks

          This is getting tiring I will admit. The only way that you can HOPE to beat the lottery in the long-run is to use some sort of progressive betting that allows you to recoup your losses after a long losing streak. Only then can you guarantee that you will win in the long-run and beat a negative expectation game like the lottery.

          The problem herein lies with the bankroll required to overcome such obstacles. I have done long-term testing on Vtracs and overdue Vtracs and Vtrac roots/sums, etc. They ALL have passed if given the right bankroll and progression.

          Now, I doubt that there is anyone on this board that can justify, "Sure, I have a $10k bankroll, let me use it to win only $2,000 this year". Is that worth the risk? Probably not to most. Not to mention the fact that most people do not have an expendable amount of cash to experiment like this.

          There are MANY systems that can win this way, but it's tough to stomach a long losing skid not knowing when your next hit will be.

          Let's stop the system bashing. None will surpass the 100% mark without "help" be it financial, or spiritual intervention or luck. I like everything I've seen in terms of systems/tool/methods/whatever the heck you want to call them on this board. They all have merit, and just like in casino gambling, there is NO mechanical system that can overcome the house edge in any form of gambling. If so, there wouldn't be lotteries, there wouldn't be casinos. They aren't in business to lose.

           

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            This is a little bit off topic and probably shouldn't be in this thread but since it is a hot topic that won't be pushed off the page right away and lost in the ether, I chose to post it here. Since we've been talking about random number expectation vs. subjective/objective analysis I would like to comment on that. RNG's are extremely useful when you are using the right numbers in an array (old BASIC term...don't know if they refer to it that way now).

            Simply put, you pick a subset of numbers or digits that you think will come in and let the computer (or numbers out of a hat) make your picks from those numbers or digits. The subjectivity comes in when you create your subset of numbers to play (which is the key and most important element) and the objectivity (in this case, randomness) comes in as to how you pick your numbers to play.

            My technique is to put two of the same numbers or digits that I REALLY like "into the hat" (or array) so that they have a double chance of being picked.

            It is simple, combines your thought and randomness and works as good as anything I've tried in the last 7 years. It is not repeatable or proveable but since I've been doing it my stats have improved.

            An example, IL midday today....my first pick from my "hat" for pick 3 was 281 and it came in 180. My first pick for pick 4 was 2601 and it came in 1296. Close and no cigar but these were single first picks and the ones I actually played that were chosen at random from the "hat".

            Conclusion...thought + randomness = success. There's a million different ways to play the game and none is better or worse than another.

            Posted 4/6:  IL Pick 3 midday and evening until they hit:  555, 347 (str8).


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              Well, starting some time soon, maybe on Monday or Tuesday, I will start to post some predictions on the pick 3 forum, this will be done "On the fly" that is without any prior testing on paper and or on past draws.

              Let us see how we can do against the state lotteries, I will try to keep it up for at least 1 to 2 weeks, I am not sure, maybe longer.

              I have no idea of course of how those predictions will turn out, but since they will be "Cloaked" and as close to the cut off time as possible, but no closer than 30 minutes before the draws, they might come out at least fair, there will be a posted way that will take people a little time to "Uncover" or Uncloak the predicted numbers, the Cloak will be there as a way of giving the predicted numbers some security.

              The predicted numbers will be posted uncloaked some time after the draw.

              Of course, nobody will have enough time to play any of the numbers online, that will just be a test after all, of my filters against the state lotteries (pick 3).

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                I can't just pick 1, 2 or just a few numbers, but by using the randomness of filters patterns and picking from 25 to 45 combos I do improve my chances often or so I think, but might be wrong, we will see soon enough.

                I expect no worse than winning in 1 prediction out of every 4, but Who knows what will happen ?

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                  I would like to know what type of percentage we are talking about here.

                  Is it the hit percentage of the numbers selected or predicted?

                  Or is it the prize ratio for dollars spent on the game?

                  I primarily go for straight hits in the 3 game and the prize percentage ratio is what I want to see. Going for straight hits the money that is not spent on box plays would go towards the percentage for straight hits in the game.

                  So If I play $1.00 per draw I would need a straight hit once every 500 draws to break even.

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                    Picking 25 to 45 combos  and checking them against all the pick3 games is a way to guarantee a few hits and is an old trick.  The overall odds of a box hit is 1:220 in pick3 games.  Comparing 25 to 45 combos with 30 different games is the same as comparing 750-1350 combos to one game which make the odds of a hit is 3-7:1 when considering box hits. That is no way to prove a pick3 system is a winner, you don't even have to know math to know that.

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                      RJOH I don't know from where or from who you got the idea that the predicted numbers will be for all states.

                      They will be for only one state and for only one draw, 1 prediction for 1 draw and for 1 state.

                      Jap69

                      I say that perhaps I might win no less than about 25% of the time Boxed and win with from 25 to 45 combos boxed , I never get exactly the same ammount of predicted combos.

                      I might do some straight predictions also, but not sure yet. For how long will I predict ? I don't know yet.

                      30 combos times 4 equals 120, online boxed pays 150.

                      40 combos x 4 = 160.

                      25 combos x 4 = 100.

                      Let us wait and see.

                      The fewer the predicted combos the harder that it is too win with.

                      35 predicted combos are about just right.

                      But at times I have been known to win with only about 20.

                       

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                        Todd writes:
                        We all know that the lottery is purposely constructed to be as random as possible, so there is NO system that will always win.  It's more of a concept that you have to "strike when the iron is hot", meaning that you have to play the right numbers at the right time, and any consistencies in number occurences are fleeting, so if you are looking for long-term consistencies, you will likely not find them.

                        I Agree!

                        I agree.  For example one system might be playing numbers that have hit in the previous 5 drawings.  I use the MegaMillions game as an example.  For the last year or so a pool of numbers from the previous 5 drawings would have included 17-24 numbers with odds of matching 5+0 being 1:42,504 or better when all 5 winning numbers were covered.  Such a system would have included three numbers 30 times and four numbers five times during that period, but on 02/17/06 it included all five winning  numbers and could have won $250K or a jackpot of $300M+.  With a jackpot type game the system only have to work once to pay off.  I'm sure after most drawings lottery players see patterns that had they picked their numbers accordingly they could have possible won and thus a system is created.  The question is when and if that pattern will repeat and if it does will they pick their numbers accordingly (striking when the iron is hot).

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                          Wherefore (Wheretofore) art thou here at the Lottery Post? Wasting your time, nothing better to do?

                          If I thought that there was no way that I could often win more than I would spend on playing the lottery, then I would not be here.

                          Some peoples mission here appears to be to hinder others in their efforts, that appears to be their sole purpose in permanently being here, since they never leave, they appear to be here to tell any and everybody that there is no way that anybody can ever win in a regular basis, they think that since they themselves can't then therefore nobody can't either, an at the very same time here, there are some people who are making lots and lots of money on the lottery every single month a lot more than they spend on tickets, while the blind-ones keep on saying that nobody can make a profit, not a regular profit and at least 4 to 5 people here make no less than $25,000 on the lottery every single year on the pick 3 and or pick 4.

                          Is it not time for those can't win people to open their eyes, ears and mind, or to leave and find some other place where to hung around?

                          We don't need no can't win people here, misleading new and old lottery players who are trying to find a way in which to win.

                          We don't need negative random worshipers here.

                          Random or not random, it does not make any difference at all, not at all, you can still win, the state lotteries who FIX drawings those are the ones that you need to worry about, Indiana comes to mind.

                          Random? Ha!, You must be kidding! I still haven't ever seen TRUE random, if there is any such thing, which I doubt very much.

                          I am not the Shadow, but I know.

                          Fernando, pick 3 filters adept.

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                            It is the state lotteries that a person should worry about, not random.

                            You can learn to beat "Random" any time of the day or night on any day, well almost, at least often enough anyway.

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                              RJOH I don't know from where or from who you got the idea that the predicted numbers will be for all states.

                              They will be for only one state and for only one draw, 1 prediction for 1 draw and for 1 state.

                              Jap69

                              I say that perhaps I might win no less than about 25% of the time Boxed and win with from 25 to 45 combos boxed , I never get exactly the same ammount of predicted combos.

                              I might do some straight predictions also, but not sure yet. For how long will I predict ? I don't know yet.

                              30 combos times 4 equals 120, online boxed pays 150.

                              40 combos x 4 = 160.

                              25 combos x 4 = 100.

                              Let us wait and see.

                              The fewer the predicted combos the harder that it is too win with.

                              35 predicted combos are about just right.

                              But at times I have been known to win with only about 20.

                               

                              Lantern they haven't a clue...

                              Each vtrac work out is for that one particular state..

                              I know anyone can throw up a list of 13 -15 numbers and say .. "See these fall, SOMEWHERE,.. because they sure will fall somewhere...

                              thanks for trying to explain.. 

                              If one wants to learn it.. the lessons are provided in the blog.. and one can go in there with an open mind and learn it.. or go in there with doubts.. and walk away the same as they were when they went into it..

                              It is a matter of choices..

                               

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