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vtracs....useless or not??

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The question was answered in this thread many times, and as well as any question of this type about a system could be answered.

If you want me to boil it down for you, so that you can see the question being answered, here goes:

Question: vtracs....useless or not??
Answer: Not

todd - how long does it take u to do vtrac work-outs?  do u hit consistently with it?

love to nibble those micey feet.

 

                             

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    Todd,

      I guess we'll agree to disagree on this. It's what makes the world go around and makes for good debate.

      I will pass along a saying taught to me by successful business people and PHd"s....If you can't measure it, it doesn't exist.

      We'll let each member decide for themselves and let the topic rest.

    Best of luck on Tuesday's MM draw. *S*

    Well, we also disagree on your saying that was passed on to you.

    I am not aware of any lottery system that wins all the time, because of the random nature of lottery games.  Therefore, if one was to apply your saying to any lottery system in the world, it would not measure up, and therefore you are invalidating every single lottery system in the world.

    A large group of members here are happy using the vtracs system, and they feel that it is helpful in assisting them in choosing their numbers.  I think that is a much better measure for lottery systems than something used in business.

    Now that I have had a chance to counter your saying with what I believe is correct, I would agree that the topic can rest.

     

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      The question was answered in this thread many times, and as well as any question of this type about a system could be answered.

      If you want me to boil it down for you, so that you can see the question being answered, here goes:

      Question: vtracs....useless or not??
      Answer: Not

      todd - how long does it take u to do vtrac work-outs?  do u hit consistently with it?

      I don't do vtrac workouts.  You should address your questions to one of the members who does.

       

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        Actually vtracs, useless or not has been answered more closely with NOT.  Not one single bit of proof, calculated or observed to show a better than random expectation.  And no the original question wasn't an attack, it was a simple statement, looking for an answer.

        What kind of system chooses numbers based on a non-sensical, made-up "workout" and says play this system on any pick3 in the US and more often than not, one of the 52 states with pick3 will win.  Come on, can any of the vtrac promoters really say this is a valid system or even part of a system. 

        Of course I have read all the posts of people promoting vtracs, looked at the workouts, and tested it, but put quite simply, it does not work any better than random.  And yes JKING, I believe my question was answered.  Hopefully some people read this with a probing, inquisitive, open and questioning mind and do not blindly follow this system.  A system in order to be proven must show clearly that it has observable, repeatable and consistent results, based on a system that does not change or need the numbers to be worked to fit it.

         

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          Tntea's  Vtrac System work's,

              Just takes time to understand.

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            Can you present a system that in fact, does show a better than random expectation? Can anyone?
            "Come on, can any of the vtrac promoters really say this is a valid system or even part of a system." – 
            My original response suggested that vtracs was not useless if it is used in combination with other systems. I have no experience in using vtracs exclusively however, do endorse it as an additional method to filter numbers.  Would you denounce using root sums as a system? How about odds/evens? What about hot –vs- cold numbers? Are you suggesting that these systems would be considered futile and useless? I assume you will based on your findings with vtracs. So again, can you present a system that will show better than random expectation and that is not futile and useless? I would be very interested in seeing / understanding that system.

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               A system in order to be proven must show clearly that it has observable, repeatable and consistent results, based on a system that does not change or need the numbers to be worked to fit it.

               After months of observing the system.. I found that 

              1) it is observable....  (or I couldn't have done it for months)

              2) it is repeatable...

              3) it is consistent enough to make a profit..

              I  cannot help it if one doesn't understand it.  I have let that go completely. For those who do, congrats.

              I will not defend it.. but use it since it is the most dependable system I have going right now..

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                Actually vtracs, useless or not has been answered more closely with NOT.  Not one single bit of proof, calculated or observed to show a better than random expectation.  And no the original question wasn't an attack, it was a simple statement, looking for an answer.

                What kind of system chooses numbers based on a non-sensical, made-up "workout" and says play this system on any pick3 in the US and more often than not, one of the 52 states with pick3 will win.  Come on, can any of the vtrac promoters really say this is a valid system or even part of a system. 

                Of course I have read all the posts of people promoting vtracs, looked at the workouts, and tested it, but put quite simply, it does not work any better than random.  And yes JKING, I believe my question was answered.  Hopefully some people read this with a probing, inquisitive, open and questioning mind and do not blindly follow this system.  A system in order to be proven must show clearly that it has observable, repeatable and consistent results, based on a system that does not change or need the numbers to be worked to fit it.

                 

                I think you got whatever answer you wanted to get.

                It is obvious that you had your mind made up before asking this question, and the only reason you "asked" the question was to make your opinion known.

                Yes, I know you'll plead innocence to this, but I know what I know, because I've seen it all before, and I smelled this a mile away when you first posted it.

                 

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                  I actually did not have my mind made up. I sought an answer and was hoping someone else already had the answer so I wouldn't have to figure it out. But failing that I found the answer myself...

                  *see tnteas predictions at the bottom of the page or simply go to her predictions page and see for yourself the proof or vtracs.

                  The formatting is bad but just so everyone can see the observeable proof for themselves. tntea is the major proponent and user of vtracs, correct. Her statistics show a losing system in vtracs as her prize ratio for essentially every time period shows only an ~50% prize ratio. Which I may point out is pretty much exactly the random expectation of randomly chosen combinations for the pick3 game. 50% is the expected result in randomly chosen combinations for a pick3 game and so is the vtracs system of tntea.

                  Now if anyone else has any real proof to show otherwise, I believe I just answered my own question. And to those of you who think I'm just being an a$$hole and cutting down the system, on the contrary. I simply wanted to know the truth of the system. I understand the system and know that there is some merit to what is trying to be accomplished(due numbers, mirror numbers and associating due numbers with previous paired numbers) however, it doesn't hold up, simply because in the end, it is a subjective system and not an objective, repeatable system. Therefore the results for one person will be very different for another, using the same drawings.

                  To tntea:

                  It is subjective, not objective and therefore cannot be observed consistently by everyone, everytime. And your own predictions show that it is not profitable. So unless you are playing other numbers and making profit other than the one's on your prediction page, then by your own predictions you have proven it to be no better than a random expectation system.


                  tntea: Statistics by Game TypePick 3
                  Statistic   Current Month   Last Month   Current Year   Last Year   Lifetime
                  Picks 469 37,064 68,105 50,912 119,915
                  Hits 0 162 299 245 550
                  Hit Ratio 0.00% 0.44% 0.44% 0.48% 0.46%
                  Winnings $0 $16,750 $32,010 $33,240 $65,990
                  Prize Ratio 0.00% 45.19% 47.00% 65.29% 55.03%

                  Pick 4
                  Statistic   Current Month   Last Month   Current Year   Last Year   Lifetime
                  Picks 2,230 39,465 74,794 41,012 115,844
                  Hits 0 46 90 53 143
                  Hit Ratio 0.00% 0.12% 0.12% 0.13% 0.12%
                  Winnings $0 $12,900 $34,100 $8,300 $42,400
                  Prize Ratio 0.00% 32.69% 45.59% 20.24% 36.60%

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                    I actually did not have my mind made up. I sought an answer and was hoping someone else already had the answer so I wouldn't have to figure it out. But failing that I found the answer myself...

                    *see tnteas predictions at the bottom of the page or simply go to her predictions page and see for yourself the proof or vtracs.

                    The formatting is bad but just so everyone can see the observeable proof for themselves. tntea is the major proponent and user of vtracs, correct. Her statistics show a losing system in vtracs as her prize ratio for essentially every time period shows only an ~50% prize ratio. Which I may point out is pretty much exactly the random expectation of randomly chosen combinations for the pick3 game. 50% is the expected result in randomly chosen combinations for a pick3 game and so is the vtracs system of tntea.

                    Now if anyone else has any real proof to show otherwise, I believe I just answered my own question. And to those of you who think I'm just being an a$$hole and cutting down the system, on the contrary. I simply wanted to know the truth of the system. I understand the system and know that there is some merit to what is trying to be accomplished(due numbers, mirror numbers and associating due numbers with previous paired numbers) however, it doesn't hold up, simply because in the end, it is a subjective system and not an objective, repeatable system. Therefore the results for one person will be very different for another, using the same drawings.

                    To tntea:

                    It is subjective, not objective and therefore cannot be observed consistently by everyone, everytime. And your own predictions show that it is not profitable. So unless you are playing other numbers and making profit other than the one's on your prediction page, then by your own predictions you have proven it to be no better than a random expectation system.


                    tntea: Statistics by Game TypePick 3
                    Statistic   Current Month   Last Month   Current Year   Last Year   Lifetime
                    Picks 469 37,064 68,105 50,912 119,915
                    Hits 0 162 299 245 550
                        Hit Ratio 0.00% 0.44% 0.44% 0.48% 0.46%
                    Winnings $0 $16,750 $32,010 $33,240 $65,990
                        Prize Ratio 0.00% 45.19% 47.00% 65.29% 55.03%

                    Pick 4
                    Statistic   Current Month   Last Month   Current Year   Last Year   Lifetime
                    Picks 2,230 39,465 74,794 41,012 115,844
                    Hits 0 46 90 53 143
                        Hit Ratio 0.00% 0.12% 0.12% 0.13% 0.12%
                    Winnings $0 $12,900 $34,100 $8,300 $42,400
                        Prize Ratio 0.00% 32.69% 45.59% 20.24% 36.60%

                    I dont have time to update the prediction board at every draw, when I have to update the vtracs on my charts too. So most of my predictions on the prediction board was ran for all states..

                    Once the vtracs result page is added to forum, my time will not be so limited.

                    You are happy I see thinking it is useless. Move on... Why continue to talk about it.? It has worked for me and others.

                     

                     

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                      It's time to let this rest. We all know where we stand.

                      For those who rely on assurances rather than the scientific method....be careful. Case and point would be another method called pointers. Buried in the blogs here is an outright written admission that it was created to mislead people. Since flaming someone is a no no here, I won't mention the name.

                      All I'm saying is take nothing on faith or someone elses word. Take the time to look at it for yourself until your comfortable that it is indeed worth while. You might be suprised how many ideas aren't as good as advertised while others are excellent.

                      Best of luck to all.

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                        Let's see, 5 responses and no offerings of a system or part thereof that does show results better than random expectation. Perhaps you overlooked my response:

                        "Can you present a system that in fact, does show a better than random expectation?"

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                          little voice from new member,

                          actually vtract, or others system, filtering had 1/3 winning change this is just my own past study about Pick 4, x234 Back Pair so you must set bet strategy. and it is objective if it combine with skip and hit tendency.

                          please do your own study about the traits of pick 3 or pick 4, you can use p34lotto, pro filter pick 3, LM3, versabet, etc

                          i had mine so far my best result 1 straight x234 a month and often 3 times a month missing x like best case mass lottery 0791 appears 0761. i'm still learn the skip and hit tendency.

                          and QPS should generate from
                          Even - Odd : 2-1    1-2
                          expected : 37.5% 37.5%
                          Low - High : 2-1    1-2
                          expected : 37.5% 37.5%
                          Identical: ABC
                          expected : 72.0%
                          Sum of Numbers: 10-13 14-17 18-21 22-25
                               expected : 15.3% 24.3% 25.5% 17.8%
                          Width of Line: 2-3    4-5    6-7    8-9
                              expected : 11.7% 26.7% 35.1% 25.1%
                          Last Draw by Position: None, One,
                                     expected : 72.9%, 24.3%
                          Past draws: use last draw from any state.(3304) draws

                          which it would be 83.33% winning change and for today lucky number is:

                          0-7-2   1-3-8 1-6-3 3-4-7
                          3-5-8   3-9-6 4-3-9 4-7-8
                          4-8-5   6-2-1 6-3-1 6-4-9
                          8-1-2   9-4-0 9-6-0 9-6-3

                          The core of pick 3 or pick 4 games is to observe the skip and hit tendency and it can be done with statistics. and the fun is to predict next draws. :)

                          Vtract methods would be more profitable system if you can see the tendency, please do your own study about vtract and others to see skip and hit tendency.

                          -----------------------------
                          and if any programer or developer could create this system, i think all pick3 hobbiest or player will be consistent on straight or box. is it??? :)

                          courtesy of Jade lottery for sorted Pick3 & Pick4,
                          courtesy of Lantern's for filtering pattern and numbers,
                          courtesy of Califdue for rootsum and p3 charts
                          (please apologize me if someone had invented those system i'm just copy and paste from author in LP)

                          1.1 Low Digit 0-1-2-3-4 => L-L-L, L-L-x, L-x-L, x-L-L, L-x-x, x-L-x, x-L-L
                          1.2 High Digit 5-6-7-8-9 => H-H-H, H-H-x, H-x-H, x-H-H, H-x-x, x-H-x, x-H-H

                          2.1 Even Digit 0-2-4-6-8 => E-E-E, E-E-x, E-x-E, x-E-E, E-x-x, x-E-x, x-E-E
                          2.2 Odd Digit 1-3-5-7-9 => O-O-O, O-O-x, O-x-O, x-O-O, O-x-x, x-O-x, x-O-O

                          3.1 Set 1 = EvenLow 0-2-4 => LE-LE-LE, LE-LE-x, LE-x-LE, x-LE-LE, LE-x-x, x-LE-x, x-LE-LE
                          3.2 Set 2 = EvenHigh 6-8    => HE-HE-HE, HE-HE-x, HE-x-HE, x-HE-HE, HE-x-x, x-HE-x, x-HE-HE
                          3.3 Set 3 = OddLow   1-3    => LO-LO-LO, LO-LO-x, LO-x-LO, x-LO-LO, LO-x-x, x-LO-x, x-LO-LO
                          3.4 Set 4 = OddHigh 5-7-9 => HO-HO-HO, HO-HO-x, HO-x-HO, x-HO-HO, HO-x-x, x-HO-x, x-HO-HO

                          4.1.1 Set 1 = 0-1 digits. => A-A-A, A-A-x, A-x-A, x-A-A, A-x-x, x-A-x, x-A-A
                          4.1.2 Set 2 = 2-3 digits. => B-B-B, B-B-x, B-x-B, x-B-B, B-x-x, x-B-x, x-B-B
                          4.1.3 Set 3 = 4-5 digits. => C-C-C, C-C-x, C-x-C, x-C-C, C-x-x, x-C-x, x-C-C
                          4.1.4 Set 4 = 6-7 digits. => D-D-D, D-D-x, D-x-D, x-D-D, D-x-x, x-D-x, x-D-D
                          4.1.5 Set 5 = 8-9 digits. => E-E-E, E-E-x, E-x-E, x-E-E, E-x-x, x-E-x, x-E-E

                          4.2.1 Set 1 = 0-5 digits. => A-A-A, A-A-x, A-x-A, x-A-A, A-x-x, x-A-x, x-A-A
                          4.2.2 Set 2 = 1-6 digits. => B-B-B, B-B-x, B-x-B, x-B-B, B-x-x, x-B-x, x-B-B
                          4.2.3 Set 3 = 2-7 digits. => C-C-C, C-C-x, C-x-C, x-C-C, C-x-x, x-C-x, x-C-C
                          4.2.4 Set 4 = 3-8 digits. => D-D-D, D-D-x, D-x-D, x-D-D, D-x-x, x-D-x, x-D-D
                          4.2.5 Set 5 = 4-9 digits. => E-E-E, E-E-x, E-x-E, x-E-E, E-x-x, x-E-x, x-E-E

                          4.3.1 Set 1 = 0-9 digits. => A-A-A, A-A-x, A-x-A, x-A-A, A-x-x, x-A-x, x-A-A
                          4.3.2 Set 2 = 1-8 digits. => B-B-B, B-B-x, B-x-B, x-B-B, B-x-x, x-B-x, x-B-B
                          4.3.3 Set 3 = 2-7 digits. => C-C-C, C-C-x, C-x-C, x-C-C, C-x-x, x-C-x, x-C-C
                          4.3.4 Set 4 = 3-6 digits. => D-D-D, D-D-x, D-x-D, x-D-D, D-x-x, x-D-x, x-D-D
                          4.3.5 Set 5 = 4-5 digits. => E-E-E, E-E-x, E-x-E, x-E-E, E-x-x, x-E-x, x-E-E

                          5.1 0-1-2   are Low.      => Low-Low-Low, Low-Low-x, Low-x-Low, x-Low-Low, Low-x-x, x-Low-x, x-Low-Low
                          5.2 3-4-5-6 are Middle.   => Mid-Mid-Mid, Mid-Mid-x, Mid-x-Mid, x-Mid-Mid, Mid-x-x, x-Mid-x, x-Mid-Mid
                          5.3 7-8-9   are High.     => High-High-High, High-High-x, High-x-High, x-High-High, High-x-x, x-High-x, x-High-High

                          6.1 2-3-5   are Open digits.     => Op-Op-Op, Op-Op-x, Op-x-Op, x-Op-Op, Op-x-x, x-Op-x, x-Op-Op
                          6.2 0-6-8-9 are Closed digits.   => C-C-C, C-C-x, C-x-C, x-C-C, C-x-x, x-C-x, x-C-C
                          6.3 1-4-7   are Straight digits. => Str-Str-Str, Str-Str-x, Str-x-Str, x-Str-Str, Str-x-x, x-Str-x, x-Str-Str


                          PATTERN FILTER
                          Even - Odd : 3-0   2-1    1-2    0-3
                          expected : 12.5% 37.5% 37.5% 12.5%

                          Low - High : 3-0   2-1    1-2    0-3
                          expected : 12.5% 37.5% 37.5% 12.5%

                          Identical: ABC    AAB   ABA   ABB   AAA
                          expected : 72.0% 9.0% 9.0% 9.0% 1.0%

                          Even Odd by Position : EEE, EEO, EOE, OEE, EOO, OEO, OOE, OOO
                          expected : all have the same change of winning 12.5%,

                          Low High by Position : LLL, LLH, LHL, HLL, LHH, HLH, HHL, HHH
                          expected : all have the same change of winning 12.5%,


                          Past Draw: Pairs, Boxed, Draw

                          NUMBER FILTER

                          OVERALL NUMBER: 0-1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9

                          1st Position : 0-1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9
                          2nd Position : 0-1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9
                          3rd Position : 0-1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9

                          Rootsum : 0-1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9

                          Sum of number : 0-1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-13-14-15-16-17-18-19-20-21-22-23-24-25-26-27

                          Sum of Numbers: 0-5   6-9   10-13 14-17 18-21 22-25 26-29 30-36
                               expected : 1.3% 5.9% 15.3% 24.3% 25.5% 17.8% 7.9%   2.1%

                          Width of Line: 0-1   2-3    4-5    6-7    8-9
                              expected : 1.4% 11.7% 26.7% 35.1% 25.1%

                          Last Draw by Position: None, One,   Two, Three
                                     expected : 72.9%, 24.3%, 2.7%, 0.1%

                          Last Draw by Number: None, One,   Two, Three

                          AND REPEAT TENDENCY
                          Low Digit 0-1-2-3-4
                          High Digit 5-6-7-8-9
                          Even Digit 0-2-4-6-8
                          Odd Digit 1-3-5-7-9
                          Set 1 = EvenLow 0-2-4
                          Set 2 = EvenHigh 6-8
                          Set 3 = OddLow   1-3
                          Set 4 = OddHigh 5-7-9

                          Set 1 = 0-1
                          Set 2 = 2-3
                          Set 3 = 4-5
                          Set 4 = 6-7
                          Set 5 = 8-9

                          Set 1 = 0-5
                          Set 2 = 1-6
                          Set 3 = 2-7
                          Set 4 = 3-8
                          Set 5 = 4-9

                          Set 1 = 0-9
                          Set 2 = 1-8
                          Set 3 = 2-7
                          Set 4 = 3-6
                          Set 5 = 4-5

                          0-1-2   are Low
                          3-4-5-6 are Middle
                          7-8-9   are Highx-High-High

                          2-3-5   are Open digits
                          0-6-8-9 are Closed digits
                          1-4-7   are Straight digits

                          Even - Odd
                          Low - High
                          Identical
                          Even Odd by Position
                          Low High by Position
                          1st Position
                          2nd Position
                          3rd Position
                          Rootsum
                          Sum of number
                          Sum of number Groups
                          Width of Line
                          Last Draw by Position
                          Last Draw by Number

                          SUPPORTING FILTERS

                          Direct LoHoLeHe
                          pattern number combination     expected (1000)
                          HoHoHo     579 - 579 - 579         2.70%
                          HoHoLe     579 - 579 - 024         2.70%
                          HoLeHo     579 - 024 - 579         2.70%
                          HoLeLe     579 - 024 - 024         2.70%
                          LeHoHo     024 - 579 - 579         2.70%
                          LeHoLe     024 - 579 - 024         2.70%
                          LeLeHo     024 - 024 - 579         2.70%
                          LeLeLe     024 - 024 - 024         2.70%
                          HeHoHo     68 - 579 - 579         1.80%
                          HeHoLe     68 - 579 - 024         1.80%
                          HeLeHo     68 - 024 - 579         1.80%
                          HeLeLe     68 - 024 - 024         1.80%
                          HoHeHo     579 - 68 - 579         1.80%
                          HoHeLe     579 - 68 - 024         1.80%
                          HoHoHe     579 - 579 - 68         1.80%
                          HoHoLo     579 - 579 - 13         1.80%
                          HoLeHe     579 - 024 - 68         1.80%
                          HoLeLo     579 - 024 - 13         1.80%
                          HoLoHo     579 - 13 - 579         1.80%
                          HoLoLe     579 - 13 - 024         1.80%
                          LeHeHo     024 - 68 - 579         1.80%
                          LeHeLe     024 - 68 - 024         1.80%
                          LeHoHe     024 - 579 - 68         1.80%
                          LeHoLo     024 - 579 - 13         1.80%
                          LeLeHe     024 - 024 - 68         1.80%
                          LeLeLo     024 - 024 - 13         1.80%
                          LeLoHo     024 - 13 - 579         1.80%
                          LeLoLe     024 - 13 - 024         1.80%
                          LoHoHo     13 - 579 - 579         1.80%
                          LoHoLe     13 - 579 - 024         1.80%
                          LoLeHo     13 - 024 - 579         1.80%
                          LoLeLe     13 - 024 - 024         1.80%
                          HeHeHo     68 - 68 - 579         1.20%
                          HeHeLe     68 - 68 - 024         1.20%
                          HeHoHe     68 - 579 - 68         1.20%
                          HeHoLo     68 - 579 - 13         1.20%
                          HeLeHe     68 - 024 - 68         1.20%
                          HeLeLo     68 - 024 - 13         1.20%
                          HeLoHo     68 - 13 - 579         1.20%
                          HeLoLe     68 - 13 - 024         1.20%
                          HoHeHe     579 - 68 - 68         1.20%
                          HoHeLo     579 - 68 - 13         1.20%
                          HoLoHe     579 - 13 - 68         1.20%
                          HoLoLo     579 - 13 - 13         1.20%
                          LeHeHe     024 - 68 - 68         1.20%
                          LeHeLo     024 - 68 - 13         1.20%
                          LeLoHe     024 - 13 - 68         1.20%
                          LeLoLo     024 - 13 - 13         1.20%
                          LoHeHo     13 - 68 - 579         1.20%
                          LoHeLe     13 - 68 - 024         1.20%
                          LoHoHe     13 - 579 - 68         1.20%
                          LoHoLo     13 - 579 - 13         1.20%
                          LoLeHe     13 - 024 - 68         1.20%
                          LoLeLo     13 - 024 - 13         1.20%
                          LoLoHo     13 - 13 - 579         1.20%
                          LoLoLe     13 - 13 - 024         1.20%
                          HeHeHe     68 - 68 - 68         0.80%
                          HeHeLo     68 - 68 - 13         0.80%
                          HeLoHe     68 - 13 - 68         0.80%
                          HeLoLo     68 - 13 - 13         0.80%
                          LoHeHe     13 - 68 - 68         0.80%
                          LoHeLo     13 - 68 - 13         0.80%
                          LoLoHe     13 - 13 - 68         0.80%
                          LoLoLo     13 - 13 - 13         0.80%


                          Direct Open Close Straight
                          pattern number combination     expected (1000)
                          ClClCl     0689 - 0689 - 0689     6.4%
                          ClClOp     0689 - 0689 - 234     4.8%
                          ClClSt     0689 - 0689 - 147     4.8%
                          ClOpCl     0689 - 234 - 0689     4.8%
                          ClStCl     0689 - 147 - 0689     4.8%
                          OpClCl     234 - 0689 - 0689     4.8%
                          StClCl     147 - 0689 - 0689     4.8%
                          ClOpOp     0689 - 234 - 234     3.6%
                          ClOpSt     0689 - 234 - 147     3.6%
                          ClStOp     0689 - 147 - 234     3.6%
                          ClStSt     0689 - 147 - 147     3.6%
                          OpClOp     234 - 0689 - 234     3.6%
                          OpClSt     234 - 0689 - 147     3.6%
                          OpOpCl     234 - 234 - 0689     3.6%
                          OpStCl     234 - 147 - 0689     3.6%
                          StClOp     147 - 0689 - 234     3.6%
                          StClSt     147 - 0689 - 147     3.6%
                          StOpCl     147 - 234 - 0689     3.6%
                          StStCl     147 - 147 - 0689     3.6%
                          OpOpOp     234 - 234 - 234         2.7%
                          OpOpSt     234 - 234 - 147         2.7%
                          OpStOp     234 - 147 - 234         2.7%
                          OpStSt     234 - 147 - 147         2.7%
                          StOpOp     147 - 234 - 234         2.7%
                          StOpSt     147 - 234 - 147         2.7%
                          StStOp     147 - 147 - 234         2.7%
                          StStSt     147 - 147 - 147         2.7%

                          Direct Low-Middle-High
                          pattern number combination     expected (1000)
                          MMM     3456 - 3456 - 3456     6.4%
                          LMM     012 - 3456 - 3456     4.8%
                          HMM     789 - 3456 - 3456     4.8%
                          HLM     789 - 012 - 3456     4.8%
                          HHM     789 - 789 - 3456     4.8%
                          HHL     789 - 789 - 012         4.8%
                          HHH     789 - 789 - 789         4.8%
                          MLM     3456 - 012 - 3456     3.6%
                          MHM     3456 - 789 - 3456     3.6%
                          MHL     3456 - 789 - 012     3.6%
                          MHH     3456 - 789 - 789     3.6%
                          LLM     012 - 012 - 3456     3.6%
                          LHM     012 - 789 - 3456     3.6%
                          LHL     012 - 789 - 012         3.6%
                          LHH     012 - 789 - 789         3.6%
                          HML     789 - 3456 - 012     3.6%
                          HMH     789 - 3456 - 789     3.6%
                          HLL     789 - 012 - 012         3.6%
                          HLH     789 - 012 - 789         3.6%
                          MML     3456 - 3456 - 012     2.7%
                          MMH     3456 - 3456 - 789     2.7%
                          MLL     3456 - 012 - 012     2.7%
                          MLH     3456 - 012 - 789     2.7%
                          LML     012 - 3456 - 012     2.7%
                          LMH     012 - 3456 - 789     2.7%
                          LLL     012 - 012 - 012         2.7%
                          LLH     012 - 012 - 789         2.7%


                          Basic Combo's
                          012     025     039     067     127     146
                          013     026     045     068     128     147
                          014     027     046     069     129     148
                          015     028     047     078     134     149
                          016     029     048     079     135     156
                          017     034     049     089     136     157
                          018     035     056     123     137     158
                          019     036     057     124     138     159
                          023     037     058     125     139     167
                          024     038     059     126     145     168
                                               
                          169     245     268     356     456     567
                          178     246     269     357     457     568
                          179     247     278     358     458     569
                          189     248     279     359     459     578
                          234     249     289     367     467     579
                          235     256     345     368     468     589
                          236     257     346     369     469     678
                          237     258     347     378     478     679
                          238     259     348     379     479     689
                          239     267     349     389     489     789


                          for reference
                          key number chart
                             0   1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8   9
                          01 000 100 200 300 400 500 600 700 800 900
                          02 001 101 201 301 401 501 601 701 801 901
                          03 002 102 202 302 402 502 602 702 802 902
                          04 003 103 203 303 403 503 603 703 803 903
                          05 004 104 204 304 404 504 604 704 804 904
                          06 005 105 205 305 405 505 605 705 805 905
                          07 006 106 206 306 406 506 606 706 806 906
                          08 007 107 207 307 407 507 607 707 807 907
                          09 008 108 208 308 408 508 608 708 808 908
                          10 009 109 209 309 409 509 609 709 809 909
                          11 011 111 211 311 411 511 611 711 811 911
                          12 012 112 212 312 412 512 612 712 812 912
                          13 013 113 213 313 413 513 613 713 813 913
                          14 014 114 214 314 414 514 614 714 814 914
                          15 015 115 215 315 415 515 615 715 815 915
                          16 016 116 216 316 416 516 616 716 816 916
                          17 017 117 217 317 417 517 617 717 817 917
                          18 018 118 218 318 418 518 618 718 818 918
                          19 019 119 219 319 419 519 619 719 819 919
                          20 022 122 222 322 422 522 622 722 822 922
                          21 023 123 223 323 423 523 623 723 823 923
                          22 024 124 224 324 424 524 624 724 824 924
                          23 025 125 225 325 425 525 625 725 825 925
                          24 026 126 226 326 426 526 626 726 826 926
                          25 027 127 227 327 427 527 627 727 827 927
                          26 028 128 228 328 428 528 628 728 828 928
                          27 029 129 229 329 429 529 629 729 829 929
                          28 033 133 233 333 433 533 633 733 833 933
                          29 034 134 234 334 434 534 634 734 834 934
                          30 035 135 235 335 435 535 635 735 835 935
                          31 036 136 236 336 436 536 636 736 836 936
                          32 037 137 237 337 437 537 637 737 837 937
                          33 038 138 238 338 438 538 638 738 838 938
                          34 039 139 239 339 439 539 639 739 839 939
                          35 044 144 244 344 444 544 644 744 844 944
                          36 045 145 245 345 445 545 645 745 845 945
                          37 046 146 246 346 446 546 646 746 846 946
                          38 047 147 247 347 447 547 647 747 847 947
                          39 048 148 248 348 448 548 648 748 848 948
                          40 049 149 249 349 449 549 649 749 849 949
                          41 055 155 255 355 455 555 655 755 855 955
                          42 056 156 256 356 456 556 656 756 856 956
                          43 057 157 257 357 457 557 657 757 857 957
                          44 058 158 258 358 458 558 658 758 858 958
                          45 059 159 259 359 459 559 659 759 859 959
                          46 066 166 266 366 466 566 666 766 866 966
                          47 067 167 267 367 467 567 667 767 867 967
                          48 068 168 268 368 468 568 668 768 868 968
                          49 069 169 269 369 469 569 669 769 869 969
                          50 077 177 277 377 477 577 677 777 877 977
                          51 078 178 278 378 478 578 678 778 878 978
                          52 079 179 279 379 479 579 679 779 879 979
                          53 088 188 288 388 488 588 688 788 888 988
                          54 089 189 289 389 489 589 689 789 889 989
                          55 099 199 299 399 499 599 699 799 899 999

                          PICK-3 SUMS AND ROOTS CHART

                             
                          Sum                                                    Root

                          27 999                                                   9
                          26 899                                                   8
                          25 799 889                                                7
                          24 699 789 888                                            6
                          23 599 689 788 779                                         5
                          22 499 589 679 688 778                                      4
                          21 399 489 579 588 669 678 777                               3
                          20 299 389 479 488 569 578 668 677                           2
                          19 199 289 379 388 469 478 559 568 577 667                    1
                          18 099 189 279 288 369 378 459 468 477 558 567 666              9
                          17 089 179 188 269 278 359 368 377 449 458 467 557 566          8
                          16 079 088 169 178 259 268 277 349 358 367 448 457 466 556       7
                          15 069 078 159 168 177 249 258 267 339 348 357 366 447456555     6
                          14 059 068 077 149 158 167 239 248 257 266 338 347 356 446 455   5
                          13 049 058 067 139 148 157 166 229 238 247 256 337 346 355 445   4
                          12 039 048 057 066 129 138 147 156 228 237 246 255 336 345 444   3
                          11 029 038 047 056 119 128 137 146 155 227 236 245 335 344       2
                          10 019 028 037 046 055 118 127 136 145 226 235 244 334          1
                          9   009 018 027 036 045 117 126 135 144 225 234 333              9
                          8   008 017 026 035 044 116 125 134 224 233                    8
                          7   007 016 025 034 115 124 133 223                           7
                          6   006 015 024 033 114 123 222                               6
                          5   005 014 023 113 122                                      5
                          4   004 013 022 112                                         4
                          3   003 012 111                                            3
                          2   002 011                                                2
                          1   001                                                   1
                          0   000                                                   0


                          all filter should calculate MAX, AVERAGE, MINIMUM SKIP & MAX, AVERAGE, MINIMUM HIT.

                          and "recommended" by color for each filter when it come to over skip or over hit.

                          and to see the trends or hot & cold numbers, the statistics can count by
                          monthly: 30,60,90,120,150,180,365
                          daily: 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31
                          weekly: mon,tue,wed,thu,fri,sat,sun
                          week: 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th 5th

                          in short new pick3/4 software should be combination of p34lotto and LM3/versabet and the format like pro filter pick3/P34lotto and number calculation like LM3/versabet

                          and of course not all filters is selected ONLY if it had skip and hit tendency
                          eg: 1 skip-1 hit-1 skip-1 hit-1 skip-1 hit-
                              5 skip-1 hit-5 skip-1 hit
                              7 skip-1 hit-7 skip-1 hit
                          so on

                          the challenge is to transfers those filter into program language.

                          well good luck.

                          regards
                          sysp34

                            Tenaj's avatar - michellea
                            Charlotte NC
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                            It's time to let this rest. We all know where we stand.

                            For those who rely on assurances rather than the scientific method....be careful. Case and point would be another method called pointers. Buried in the blogs here is an outright written admission that it was created to mislead people. Since flaming someone is a no no here, I won't mention the name.

                            All I'm saying is take nothing on faith or someone elses word. Take the time to look at it for yourself until your comfortable that it is indeed worth while. You might be suprised how many ideas aren't as good as advertised while others are excellent.

                            Best of luck to all.

                            Yes NodAnd a good thing I did.  My "pointers" method is being sold on websites by a lurker who capitalized on it and didn't have the decency to change the name and used my name.

                            JKING, yes I created the word "pointers" to mislead where my workout originally came from because revealing the true name would have revealed my workout and possibly sent me to jail.  Illegal lottery, ever heard of that.  I live in NC.

                            I'm only responding to anybody that might believe this fool.   Due to copyright infringements that can not be enforced on LP and people like you and a few others, I will no longer post them. 

                            takeemtothebank


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                              Posted: March 1, 2006, 1:45 pm - IP Logged

                              sysp34 said in above post:

                               

                              The core of pick 3 or pick 4 games is to observe the skip and hit tendency and it can be done with statistics. and the fun is to predict next draws. :)

                              Can you show us an example on how you do it? In other words: how do you calculate de average and min and max skip rate you mention? Also how do you use it for any filter? (just one, as an example, might help).

                              If I can understand your ideas, I can make a program to do just that.

                              thanks

                              Joev

                                 
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