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Clairvoyance: tntea simply doesn't want to post here results because if she does then it could just prove vtracs to be useless. And you are right, it doesn't hurt her winnings anyway. Also, it could prove vtracs to be a useful tool/strategy if she would post her results for a one month period.

To everyone clammering on about show me a system that beats random expectation, there are lots and their are many on the lotterypost. I even posted one earlier in this thread that apparently went virtually unnoticed. Do people even read what they write here or know anything about what random expectation is. For those that don't know, the odds of the pick3 game is 1000-1 , the maximum payout, generally speaking is 500-1. Spend 1000 in random pick3 combinations, and win 1 time $500. Therefore the lottery has a 50% edge on you in pick3. So if your ratio of money spent vs dollars won is greater than 50% over a sufficiant sample of draws than you can say that system beats random expectation. Just an FYI, since betslips is offering a 900-1 payout, the lottery edge drops significantly to 10%, which increases the merit and usefulness of any system that can at least increase random expectation by 10%.

Anyway, I'll stop going on about vtracs. I just hope somebody doesn't go spending the rent money on vtracs and lose it all.

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    Spend more energy on posting winning numbers and we will all be happy

    SmashI post the same numbers all week and they hit over and over because I'm one of the few who can read the board and know the cluster that is driving the states when I post.

    March 1

    TenajConnecticutMidday 36-Way Box3-7-9 3-9-7$40
    TenajIllinoisDaily 36-Way Box4-6-5 5-4-6$40
    TenajIllinoisMidday 36-Way Box3-7-9 9-7-3$40
    TenajIowaMidday 36-Way Box3-7-9 9-7-3$40
    TenajIowaPick 36-Way Box4-6-5  5-4-6$40
    TenajMarylandMidday Pick 33-Way Box1-3-3 3-3-1$80
    TenajNebraskaPick 36-Way Box9-1-0 0-1-9$40
    TenajNew JerseyMidday Pick 36-Way Box2-4-3 3-4-2$40
    TenajOhioPick 36-Way Box0-5-2 5-2-0$40
    TenajOklahomaPick 36-Way Box4-9-8 8-9-4$40
    TenajTennesseeCash 36-Way Box3-7-9 9-3-7$40
    TenajTexasPick 36-Way Box4-8-3 3-8-4$40
    TenajWashingtonDailyStraight + 6-Way Box7-3-5 7-3-5$290
    TenajWashington, D.C.Midday Lucky Numbers3-Way Box8-8-6 8-6-8$80

     Feb 28TenajGeorgiaMidday 36-Way Box9-4-7 7-9-4$40
    TenajIllinoisMidday 3Straight + 6-Way Box9-1-0 9-1-0$290
    TenajIowaMidday 3Straight + 6-Way Box9-1-0 9-1-0$290
    TenajMarylandPick 3Straight + 6-Way Box9-1-0 9-1-0$290
    TenajQuebecLa Quotidienne 36-Way Box7-0-3 3-7-0$40
    TenajWisconsinDaily Pick 3Straight + 6-Way Box3-7-9 3-7-9$290

    Feb 26

    TenajMarylandPick 36-Way Box5-3-4 4-5-3$40
    TenajMichiganMidday 36-Way Box7-6-4 6-7-4$40
    TenajMissouriPick 3Straight Triple2-2-2 2-2-2$500

    Feb 25

    TenajCaliforniaMidday 36-Way Box9-1-0 0-9-1$40
    TenajIllinoisMidday 36-Way Box5-0-7 0-7-5$40
    TenajIndianaDaily 3Straight Triple2-2-2 2-2-2$500
    TenajIowaMidday 36-Way Box5-0-7 0-7-5$40
    TenajKentuckyPick 3Straight + 3-Way Box8-6-6 8-6-6$330

     

    These are the numbers that I gave out Friday and they have not changed.

    Lead Number

    052

    _____________________

    Pointers

    465 076 866

    __________________

    Totals

    947 534 923 133

    ________________________

    Mirrors

    507 910 521 311

    __________________________

    Mates

    886 311

    So, if I spent more energy, it would be to play them for you.

     

     

     

     

     

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      Clairvoyance: tntea simply doesn't want to post here results because if she does then it could just prove vtracs to be useless. And you are right, it doesn't hurt her winnings anyway. Also, it could prove vtracs to be a useful tool/strategy if she would post her results for a one month period.

      To everyone clammering on about show me a system that beats random expectation, there are lots and their are many on the lotterypost. I even posted one earlier in this thread that apparently went virtually unnoticed. Do people even read what they write here or know anything about what random expectation is. For those that don't know, the odds of the pick3 game is 1000-1 , the maximum payout, generally speaking is 500-1. Spend 1000 in random pick3 combinations, and win 1 time $500. Therefore the lottery has a 50% edge on you in pick3. So if your ratio of money spent vs dollars won is greater than 50% over a sufficiant sample of draws than you can say that system beats random expectation. Just an FYI, since betslips is offering a 900-1 payout, the lottery edge drops significantly to 10%, which increases the merit and usefulness of any system that can at least increase random expectation by 10%.

      Anyway, I'll stop going on about vtracs. I just hope somebody doesn't go spending the rent money on vtracs and lose it all.

      it did not go unnoticed.  thanks.

      love to nibble those micey feet.

       

                                   

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        Tenaj,I use The V-tracs and the Staxxs ,Look at my thread KY/Tn/Ga/Ill and see the hits I get,using them,P3's and P4's,then give your comment,and my #'s are posted,there. 

        Saleo Paleo    

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          Clairvoyance: tntea simply doesn't want to post here results because if she does then it could just prove vtracs to be useless. And you are right, it doesn't hurt her winnings anyway. Also, it could prove vtracs to be a useful tool/strategy if she would post her results for a one month period.

          To everyone clammering on about show me a system that beats random expectation, there are lots and their are many on the lotterypost. I even posted one earlier in this thread that apparently went virtually unnoticed. Do people even read what they write here or know anything about what random expectation is. For those that don't know, the odds of the pick3 game is 1000-1 , the maximum payout, generally speaking is 500-1. Spend 1000 in random pick3 combinations, and win 1 time $500. Therefore the lottery has a 50% edge on you in pick3. So if your ratio of money spent vs dollars won is greater than 50% over a sufficiant sample of draws than you can say that system beats random expectation. Just an FYI, since betslips is offering a 900-1 payout, the lottery edge drops significantly to 10%, which increases the merit and usefulness of any system that can at least increase random expectation by 10%.

          Anyway, I'll stop going on about vtracs. I just hope somebody doesn't go spending the rent money on vtracs and lose it all.

          Not quite... Not quite..  People gave me hard time when I was posting the numbers.. Taking up too many spots on the board..

          The system has not let me down. and I still get pms from those who have made over $3grand this year alone.

          I know this will be shot down as untrue.. but however, those people who pm will have to decided to come forward with their name..

          They are just sitting in background laughing at a bunch of the non-believers on here..  Needless to say, I am laughing with them.

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            As for spending rent money,.. those people who don't have the extra money to spend on gambling, should not be playing anyway..

            When I decide to  play a state with vtracs... it is either a $2-$5 play nothing more..

            btw.. you never answered my question. if your system is so great , why inquire on someone else's?

             

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              Spend more energy on posting winning numbers and we will all be happy

              SmashI post the same numbers all week and they hit over and over because I'm one of the few who can read the board and know the cluster that is driving the states when I post.

              March 1

              TenajConnecticutMidday 36-Way Box3-7-9 3-9-7$40
              TenajIllinoisDaily 36-Way Box4-6-5 5-4-6$40
              TenajIllinoisMidday 36-Way Box3-7-9 9-7-3$40
              TenajIowaMidday 36-Way Box3-7-9 9-7-3$40
              TenajIowaPick 36-Way Box4-6-5  5-4-6$40
              TenajMarylandMidday Pick 33-Way Box1-3-3 3-3-1$80
              TenajNebraskaPick 36-Way Box9-1-0 0-1-9$40
              TenajNew JerseyMidday Pick 36-Way Box2-4-3 3-4-2$40
              TenajOhioPick 36-Way Box0-5-2 5-2-0$40
              TenajOklahomaPick 36-Way Box4-9-8 8-9-4$40
              TenajTennesseeCash 36-Way Box3-7-9 9-3-7$40
              TenajTexasPick 36-Way Box4-8-3 3-8-4$40
              TenajWashingtonDailyStraight + 6-Way Box7-3-5 7-3-5$290
              TenajWashington, D.C.Midday Lucky Numbers3-Way Box8-8-6 8-6-8$80

               Feb 28TenajGeorgiaMidday 36-Way Box9-4-7 7-9-4$40
              TenajIllinoisMidday 3Straight + 6-Way Box9-1-0 9-1-0$290
              TenajIowaMidday 3Straight + 6-Way Box9-1-0 9-1-0$290
              TenajMarylandPick 3Straight + 6-Way Box9-1-0 9-1-0$290
              TenajQuebecLa Quotidienne 36-Way Box7-0-3 3-7-0$40
              TenajWisconsinDaily Pick 3Straight + 6-Way Box3-7-9 3-7-9$290

              Feb 26

              TenajMarylandPick 36-Way Box5-3-4 4-5-3$40
              TenajMichiganMidday 36-Way Box7-6-4 6-7-4$40
              TenajMissouriPick 3Straight Triple2-2-2 2-2-2$500

              Feb 25

              TenajCaliforniaMidday 36-Way Box9-1-0 0-9-1$40
              TenajIllinoisMidday 36-Way Box5-0-7 0-7-5$40
              TenajIndianaDaily 3Straight Triple2-2-2 2-2-2$500
              TenajIowaMidday 36-Way Box5-0-7 0-7-5$40
              TenajKentuckyPick 3Straight + 3-Way Box8-6-6 8-6-6$330

               

              These are the numbers that I gave out Friday and they have not changed.

              Lead Number

              052

              _____________________

              Pointers

              465 076 866

              __________________

              Totals

              947 534 923 133

              ________________________

              Mirrors

              507 910 521 311

              __________________________

              Mates

              886 311

              So, if I spent more energy, it would be to play them for you.

               

               

               

               

               

              Dont take that the wrong way it was not against you in any way, it was to everyone who is complaining.

              I use all systems and still lose

               

              But when I win I win.

              So no negatives to you.

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                I am still confused to know what others are complaining about. If the vtracs doesn't click with you, or the stacks, or the gems, or the pointers,  then move on.

                I could have sit there working with those methods I couldn't win with for the rest of my life.. I chose to move on..

                Sure glad I did...

                *If you always do what you always did, you will always get what you always got..*

                *If you fail to plan, plan to fail.*

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                  o yea i hit the mass daily thanks to the vtec sytem and the one up and down method for you none belevires didnt hit for much but it beats a blank last nite number 6325 i played 0235 ps does anyone have a update for the vtec sytem ty email it to me have a great day my preditions for the next 10 days mass daily 7436 8547 9658 0769 1870 2981 3092 4103 5214

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                    I am still confused to know what others are complaining about. If the vtracs doesn't click with you, or the stacks, or the gems, or the pointers,  then move on.

                    I could have sit there working with those methods I couldn't win with for the rest of my life.. I chose to move on..

                    Sure glad I did...

                    *If you always do what you always did, you will always get what you always got..*

                    *If you fail to plan, plan to fail.*

                    Hurray!There is one thing for sure "pointers" don't click, they Hit and travel and the prediction board proved it from week to week and I don't post a zillion threads adding up to hundreds of numbers.  My set of numbers were constant for the week.

                    I don't shove the pointers in everybody's face constantly or compare them to other members systems. 

                    I don't take credit for numbers that were not on the prediction board.  V-trac does for the most part and that's why it's validity is quesitonable.  And besides it's V-tracs that's getting the special results features, not the gems, stacks or pointers.  So how can you move on from a Vtrac when it's the system that's out there to be proven.  You won't be able to claim it works from the treads only from the prediction board. 

                    What you should be saying is "the prediction board" will speak out for Vtracs rather than saying if it doesn't click move on. 

                    All eyes are not on the stacks, the gems or the pointers.  They are on V-tracs. There are not constant complaints about the gems or the pointers.  In fact you are the only person I've heard say anything bad about the gems.  And people don't complaint about the pointers, just me.

                    So, are Vtracs useless?

                    So if you always do what you always did, you will always get what you always got and maybe that's why you are still confused.

                     

                     

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                      I am still confused to know what others are complaining about. If the vtracs doesn't click with you, or the stacks, or the gems, or the pointers,  then move on.

                      I could have sit there working with those methods I couldn't win with for the rest of my life.. I chose to move on..

                      Sure glad I did...

                      *If you always do what you always did, you will always get what you always got..*

                      *If you fail to plan, plan to fail.*

                      Tntea,

                      I don't understand it either.  From what I can gather, there are two types of negativity happening here:

                      1. Those who refuse to acknowledge that it is even in the realm of possibility that vtracs could have some merit.
                      2. Those who claim that you are trying to completely take over the entire forum, and who insist that you are ramming vtracs down everyone's thoats.

                      I utterly dismiss both attitudes, and the only reason I continue to post messages to this thread is so that if a newbie comes here and reads this, they will realize that these negative attitudes are not held by everyone.  (In fact, I believe they are held by a minority of people here.)

                       

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                        Snakeyes,

                          No I can present no SYSTEM that is proven better than random expectation. Like most everyone else, I believe, I am looking for the correct mix of the right system elements with the proper limitations/ranges to acheive a better than random expectation. My thing is that you must know each element in your system be a proven proformer.....ie what percentage of the numbers in a pick 3 game are a mix of odd and even. It's a high percentage and thus a high proformer. While triples on the other hand are low percentage occurrance and thus yeild fewer wins.

                          The above may seem contradictory to some of my earlier posts. But, if you look, I asked if anything quanitative could be said about vtracs. I was hoping to see something like.... the vtrac numbers I projected to occur in the next game were right 80% of the time. Or I checked them against the history in my state and found them to be right 90% of the time.

                            If one of the elements in any system is wrong 100% of the time, what chance do the system have. If you don't know anything about the elements you using in a system, then your shooting from the hip. This is what I found disturbing about this thread. Vtracs is great, but I can't tell you one quantitave thing about it.

                            In the end, I resolved myself to the fact, that some people don't go to the pains I do when constructing a system. This doesn't make them bad or incompetant. The LP is an open forum and as long as the info being presented is in good faith and is correct to the best of the presenters knowledge, that's all that can be asked. And before you press a member so hard that they may not want to come back, bear in mind, that they might say something later that gives you the key to make your system successful.

                         Until something quantitative is said about vtracs, for me this thread is dead.

                        JKING,


                          

                        Thanks for responding. Although I am basically a newbie at lottery and the available “systems” in practice, I am in complete agreement with you. I do not believe there is one single system in existence that can beat random expectation. It is also true that one aspect of a system can be inaccurate 100% of the time and as such, throw off the entire number generation the system produces. Understanding vtracs deals with 5 digits as opposed to 10, I would think one could quantify its usefulness in the same manner we would quantify 10 digits. Perhaps I use vtracs not as it was intended, but there is a pattern of odd/evens, sums, root sums etc. that can be charted and used effectively. Perhaps vtracs is so new to the lottery world that someone has not made the effort to quantify its performance?  I think the majority is more interested in qualifying its performance.


                          
                        As I see it, there are two types of lottery players: those that are interested in how systems / methods work; and those that are interested in why those systems / methods work. However one chooses to view those systems should not negate the opposing preference whether they are shooting from the hip or not. To do so is merely self-serving. After all, you could spend hundreds of hours quantifying a system and there will still be a little old lady at the gas station kicking our tail end’s using a simple tic-tac-toe method, with no quantitative data to back up her processes or, more importantly, an interest to do so.


                         I am not reserved to vtracs exclusively nor do I make an attempt to market it for additional followers. I am opened to any and all aspects of picking lottery numbers, as what really matters is what I put in my pocket at the end of the day.
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                          I am still confused to know what others are complaining about. If the vtracs doesn't click with you, or the stacks, or the gems, or the pointers,  then move on.

                          I could have sit there working with those methods I couldn't win with for the rest of my life.. I chose to move on..

                          Sure glad I did...

                          *If you always do what you always did, you will always get what you always got..*

                          *If you fail to plan, plan to fail.*

                          Tntea,

                          I don't understand it either.  From what I can gather, there are two types of negativity happening here:

                          1. Those who refuse to acknowledge that it is even in the realm of possibility that vtracs could have some merit.
                          2. Those who claim that you are trying to completely take over the entire forum, and who insist that you are ramming vtracs down everyone's thoats.

                          I utterly dismiss both attitudes, and the only reason I continue to post messages to this thread is so that if a newbie comes here and reads this, they will realize that these negative attitudes are not held by everyone.  (In fact, I believe they are held by a minority of people here.)

                          Actually Todd, my original question was directed to whether or not vtacs does or does not beat random expectation.  It is really a simple question and quite easily tested and verified.  However, the main proponents of vtracs will now show anyone the proof, along with the exact, repeatable method of aquiring results.  Really, I could do it, but I'm not the originator of the system and trying to put vtracs down into a system that every person who follows it will get the same combinations from seems unlikey becasue of the inherent subjectivity of the system. 

                          If no-one is willing to do it, I will do the testing, as long as I have an exact procedure of the system to follow.  If the procedure is repeatable and gives the same predictions for every person that uses it, then it is said to be repeatable and verifiable.  Provide me this, and I will test it.  Then it will be wasting no-one's time except my own.  If it works, I will be the first person to say so.  If it beats random expectation, I will be the first person to say so and I will provide the documentation and predictions on this site as proof.     

                          *The biggest problem I see with and that seems to negate vtracs viability is it's inherent subjectability.  It allows for you to choose certain vtracs and subjectively determines such based not on a repeatable set criteria, but on a certain amount of feel, not on an exact procedure.  It lalmost seems sometimes like, if you have good intuition, plus vtracs, you win.  If your intuition is bad, you lose. 

                          Anyway, if anyone is able to provide me with an exact vtrac procedure, I will do the test.  And don't tell me to go throught the threads, because I already have and there are a lot and from what I've read, the thing is their is that subjectivity inherent in it that I can't put into a procedure.  If someone else has some insight, then let me know.  Perhaps hypersoniq has an exact procedure for this system in excel.  I know he has followed the vtracs lessons, so perhaps he has contained vtracs into a repeatable procedure via spreadsheet.  Thanks. 

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                            Like I've said, I've been at this long enough to be able to understand the underlying motivations for these things.  What people say and what they do are often two different things.

                             

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                              Are you serious Todd?  Have you read the othere posts I've put on this board?  They are very knowledgeable, logical and insightful in terms of lottery and mathematics.  However, unlike those people uninformed, not knowledgeable and perhaps plain gullible, I've also been around long enough to test any theory, system, strategy that seems worth testing, at least to either prove or disprove it's usefulless.  Anyway, I'm really curious as to my alterior motive, other than seeking the truth.   

                                 
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