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vtracs....useless or not??

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Posted: February 24, 2006, 9:07 am - IP Logged

It's always a shame when someone starts a topic with such a negative thought, but it's very heartening to see the members "in the know" shoot it down with reason.

I especially like Sandy's approach of using vtracs as one tool in a larger arsenal of methods.  I have seen that the most successful players are those who use multiple methods (not just one).

 

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    Also, xavier102772, instead of complaining about something that apparently lots of people like, maybe you should instead post a message about something that works for you.  It's very easy to criticize, but it takes guts to put yourself out there and explain a system in details.  For free, I might add.

     

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      Posted: February 24, 2006, 9:14 am - IP Logged

      Right on Todd!

      It gets frustrating sometimes when you think of a new idea and then it doesn't work out in the end. I've gotten to the point where I have 7 or 8 methods that work without fail at this point, however, the bankroll requirements far exceed the boundaries for the "Average Joe". However, I know that there are methods that work and work consistently for many people. If we thought that it was an exercise in futility, then why would we all still be here? I love the testing and one day hope to crack the code!

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        Todd,

        I don't think posting and asking for facts is really a negative post. After all, this is a numbers game and you do have the prediction page to show everyone the "negative" facts (as well as any "positive" facts).

        And you did run the famous gunslinger "test" using your RNG against another website promoting playing 31 numbers in certain States. Which from the loser's point of view would have been a "negative" test! LOL

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          Todd,

          I don't think posting and asking for facts is really a negative post. After all, this is a numbers game and you do have the prediction page to show everyone the "negative" facts (as well as any "positive" facts).

          And you did run the famous gunslinger "test" using your RNG against another website promoting playing 31 numbers in certain States. Which from the loser's point of view would have been a "negative" test! LOL

          Huh?

          You don't say that calling vtracs "futile and useless" is negative?

          Sorry, we have different opinions on that, I think it's very clearly negative.  It did not offer anything new of its own.

          Comparing that post to my comparison of random numbers to some hokey numbers that someone was hawking is just a strange comparison.  Vtracs is a system that many people use.  That person who is selling numbers over the Internet is no system.

          Besides, I proved that random numbers worked BETTER than those numbers for sale.  You should be saying thanks for proving that buying numbers from someone is B.S.

           

           

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            Posted: February 24, 2006, 10:07 am - IP Logged

            Well Said Todd

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              Posted: February 24, 2006, 10:36 am - IP Logged

                I think there are couple issues here:

                  1) Humbleness-- It's one thing to say "Try this, it has worked for me", I'ts another thing to say "This is a good system". I find it very misleading, especially to the newer members of the LP.

                  2) Integrity-- Although, negative, some approaches, systems, and lessons need to be debunked for what they are. It is only way that the board as a whole can move forward to try new methods that might possibly work better.

                  3) Dominance--An over saturation of game (pick 3) by a limited group taking over the LP and alienating newbies and old timers alike. This could be taken as a negative comment but, the openeness of original ideas and variety and type of people submitting posts has changed dramatically since I originally became a LP member.

                  Just one persons opinion.

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                Posted: February 24, 2006, 10:50 am - IP Logged

                Very true, Jking

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                  Todd,

                  I don't think posting and asking for facts is really a negative post. After all, this is a numbers game and you do have the prediction page to show everyone the "negative" facts (as well as any "positive" facts).

                  And you did run the famous gunslinger "test" using your RNG against another website promoting playing 31 numbers in certain States. Which from the loser's point of view would have been a "negative" test! LOL

                  Huh?

                  You don't say that calling vtracs "futile and useless" is negative?

                  Sorry, we have different opinions on that, I think it's very clearly negative.  It did not offer anything new of its own.

                  Comparing that post to my comparison of random numbers to some hokey numbers that someone was hawking is just a strange comparison.  Vtracs is a system that many people use.  That person who is selling numbers over the Internet is no system.

                  Besides, I proved that random numbers worked BETTER than those numbers for sale.  You should be saying thanks for proving that buying numbers from someone is B.S.

                   

                  Yes, THANKS...I wasn't siding with that 31 number site.  I was the one that originally looked them up and pointed out whois info on the guy.  As to the test,  I pointed out the perspective in regards to positive/negative.  For everyone here that was a positive test.  For them, at the 31 site, that was negative.....because they lost!

                  As to this thread, you took it out of context.  He asked the QUESTION and went on to challenge anyone to come up with statistics.  He didn't out and out call it "futile and useless."

                  Is it just me or does noone else see the fultility and uselessness in the vtracs system?

                  It could have been phrased better.  But I see nothing wrong about asking anyone to come up with some stats on any system and compare it to random.  Apparently his experience with Vtracs wasn't good.

                  If you would have responded to him and told him it WAS just him, then you and I would be in complete agreement. LOL

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                      I think there are couple issues here:

                        1) Humbleness-- It's one thing to say "Try this, it has worked for me", I'ts another thing to say "This is a good system". I find it very misleading, especially to the newer members of the LP.

                        2) Integrity-- Although, negative, some approaches, systems, and lessons need to be debunked for what they are. It is only way that the board as a whole can move forward to try new methods that might possibly work better.

                        3) Dominance--An over saturation of game (pick 3) by a limited group taking over the LP and alienating newbies and old timers alike. This could be taken as a negative comment but, the openeness of original ideas and variety and type of people submitting posts has changed dramatically since I originally became a LP member.

                        Just one persons opinion.

                     This is still the best lottery site on the web. 

                     

                                  I Agree!                    well put

                    love to nibble those micey feet.

                     

                                                 

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                      Posted: February 24, 2006, 11:55 am - IP Logged

                      It's always a shame when someone starts a topic with such a negative thought, but it's very heartening to see the members "in the know" shoot it down with reason.

                      I especially like Sandy's approach of using vtracs as one tool in a larger arsenal of methods.  I have seen that the most successful players are those who use multiple methods (not just one).

                      Hurray!You finally said what I think the forum deserves to hear.  Vtracs is a tool in a larger arsenal of methods and the most sucessful player use mutiple tools in conjunction with their main system, not just one to arrive at a hit.  And a good player have a broader view, experience and keep a good tracking system that reveal patterns and not just keeping records of the draws and know the basics of Lottery math.

                      I have no problem with Vtracs however, I do have a problem with don't use that posters system because you'll lose, don't do that poster's dance, don't let other posters deceive you and you will belong to the very important person club if you use this system and look at my pm's of my Vtrac graduate and students praising me, and most of all move over other posters because you are about to be Vtracs attacked

                       

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                        It's always a shame when someone starts a topic with such a negative thought, but it's very heartening to see the members "in the know" shoot it down with reason.

                        I especially like Sandy's approach of using vtracs as one tool in a larger arsenal of methods.  I have seen that the most successful players are those who use multiple methods (not just one).

                        Hurray!You finally said what I think the forum deserves to hear.  Vtracs is a tool in a larger arsenal of methods and the most sucessful player use mutiple tools in conjunction with their main system, not just one to arrive at a hit.  And a good player have a broader view, experience and keep a good tracking system that reveal patterns and not just keeping records of the draws and know the basics of Lottery math.

                        I have no problem with Vtracs however, I do have a problem with don't use that posters system because you'll lose, don't do that poster's dance, don't let other posters deceive you and you will belong to the very important person club if you use this system and look at my pm's of my Vtrac graduate and students praising me, and most of all move over other posters because you are about to be Vtracs attacked

                         

                        death by vtrac - i'd rather have chocolate.  LOL

                        love to nibble those micey feet.

                         

                                                     

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                          Thu, Feb 23, 2006 9-8-4   
                          Wed, Feb 22, 2006 6-2-3   
                          Tue, Feb 21, 2006 5-9-9   =044=400
                          Mon, Feb 20, 2006 8-5-8 =303 =003
                          Sun, Feb 19, 2006 0-7-1   
                          Sat, Feb 18, 2006 9-8-0   
                          Fri, Feb 17, 2006 3-1-9   
                          Thu, Feb 16, 2006 0-4-1   
                          Wed, Feb 15, 2006 9-9-4 =449 =994
                          Tue, Feb 14, 2006 8-9-8 =343 =443
                          Mon, Feb 13, 2006 1-0-8   
                          Sun, Feb 12, 2006 9-8-9   =434=334
                          Sat, Feb 11, 2006 0-4-4 =599=995
                          Fri, Feb 10, 2006 9-6-3   
                          Thu, Feb 9, 2006 8-5-1   
                          Wed, Feb 8, 2006 3-9-3 =993
                          Tue, Feb 7, 2006 8-1-5   
                          Mon, Feb 6, 2006 4-8-7   
                          Sun, Feb 5, 2006 3-0-0 =855 =885
                          Sat, Feb 4, 2006 5-7-3   
                          Fri, Feb 3, 2006 7-6-8   
                          Thu, Feb 2, 2006 4-4-3 =998
                          Wed, Feb 1, 2006 0-0-4 =559 =995
                          Tue, Jan 31, 2006 6-2-4   
                          Mon, Jan 30, 2006 3-4-2   
                          Sun, Jan 29, 2006 3-5-6   
                          Sat, Jan 28, 2006 4-4-3 =998 =889
                          Fri, Jan 27, 2006 3-1-3 =868 =668
                          Thu, Jan 26, 2006 0-6-7   
                          Wed, Jan 25, 2006 3-8-7   
                          Tue, Jan 24, 2006 2-9-3

                          All systems have merit.

                          You will never be able to say the number tonight is 370 and get it right all the time. But incorpate all the systems, gems,sums,V-tracs,Elimination,pairs,
                          lead and pointers, and you will be able to narrow it down.
                          There are Educated guesses and Non educated guesses.

                          I choose to use educated guesses, which include all of the above and some i missed,
                          How can any one knock any system? If you cant contribute postively than you should not contribute at all.

                          A lot of good posters here that help you win.

                          If you dont like thier system that is your opinion. We are lucky to live in a free
                          world America and Canada,

                          I dont think any system should be slamed, if whoever is good enough to contribute then at least they are trying to help all that read, to win

                          You are allowed to use whatever you want, and have your own opinion also.

                          But why be so negative.

                          May be you should have a system challenge yours against thiers.

                          If we knew how to guess every number daily then we would not have a lottery.

                          I look at at this way.

                          There is Dum luck and thier is Smart luck.

                          The decision is yours, because we are lucky enough to have a choice.



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                            Posted: February 24, 2006, 12:11 pm - IP Logged

                            It's always a shame when someone starts a topic with such a negative thought, but it's very heartening to see the members "in the know" shoot it down with reason.

                            I especially like Sandy's approach of using vtracs as one tool in a larger arsenal of methods.  I have seen that the most successful players are those who use multiple methods (not just one).

                            Hurray!You finally said what I think the forum deserves to hear.  Vtracs is a tool in a larger arsenal of methods and the most sucessful player use mutiple tools in conjunction with their main system, not just one to arrive at a hit.  And a good player have a broader view, experience and keep a good tracking system that reveal patterns and not just keeping records of the draws and know the basics of Lottery math.

                            I have no problem with Vtracs however, I do have a problem with don't use that posters system because you'll lose, don't do that poster's dance, don't let other posters deceive you and you will belong to the very important person club if you use this system and look at my pm's of my Vtrac graduate and students praising me, and most of all move over other posters because you are about to be Vtracs attacked

                             

                            Vtracs attacked with Mattracks Thumbs Up

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                              "Is it just me or does noone else see the fultility and uselessness in the vtracs system?"

                               

                              I think that could be said about every system shared on LP. If there is a system that exists that, hands down, prevails over random expectation, it is kept under lock and key. I certainly never heard nor seen such a system. If it did exist, would there still be a lottery? I use vtracs, along with several other systems to come up with successful hits. I'm with the consensus that one system isn't the best, but a combination of several is worth it's weight - I don't think it's useless at all.

                                 
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