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vtracs....useless or not??

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JAP69's avatar - alas
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The only proof you need for a system is to set up the system for yourself and prove it to yourself wether it works.

Each individual who works a system will find different answers than someone else as it is a judgement call on the numbers being chosen.

Most all systems posted here at lottery post are judgement call systems.

MAGA

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    To all:

      Bear with me here, I'm just trying to raise the bar.

      We are not talking systems, were talking about one element that gets included in systems. If that one element is bad then the result of the whole system ends up being bad.

      Todd,

        How many tables have you seen here for pick 3 that show exactly what the pecentages are for doubles, triples......?

        You know exactly the amount of error your entering into you system. You know that betting those triples is a bad bet, especially if there have been severral occurances of that recently.

        But what can anyone say about v-tracs?  Does shooting from the hip or shooting blind make for a good system? Can it even be qualified as an educated guess?

        The initial question of this thread is a valid question, even if it could have been worded more diplomaticaly.

        The question is now, do any of the proponents of vtracs have a leg to stand on. Or is it a wing and a prayer method?

    You are a slave to the choices you have made.  jk

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      I never said I had a system that I have proven objectively that will work.  I have some sysems I have used that have showed promise and have been shown to beat random expectation and there are a few I've come across from members here that do just that.  And their creators, users have put up the proof.  Vtracs has not.  Subjective observation is not proof.  It is not measured.  I realise there are many systems and parts of systems and mnay actual are measurable in their ability to reduce the odds on a measured scale.  I would like to see any attempot, by anyone to show any degree of ability to be better than random expectation.  Is that really so much to ask?  Is it wrong to question?  I, for one will not blindly follow something just because someone says it works.  I'll test it to prove at least myself that it works.  And I feal that as responsible members of this site, it is our obligation to prove or disprove the efficacy of any system or part of system presented to it's members. 

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        I think for a system to prove itself the judgement call on the players part must be taken out of it.

        Create a system and program it in software or whatever that goes step by step each and every time to come up with numbers to play and to prove itself over time for profit in playing.

        The system I want to see is a programed system that creates straight plays or a box system that hits REALLLL GOOD.

        MAGA

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          Posted: February 24, 2006, 6:55 pm - IP Logged

          Next thing you know someone will be asking if there really is such a thing as "mirror states", or "sister states"... lol

          no, there is not!

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            Posted: February 24, 2006, 7:08 pm - IP Logged

             

            I think for a system to prove itself the judgement call on the players part must be taken out of it.

            Create a system and program it in software or whatever that goes step by step each and every time to come up with numbers to play and to prove itself over time for profit in playing.

            The system I want to see is a programed system that creates straight plays or a box system that hits REALLLL GOOD.

            A system, programmed, that will provide straights or boxed winners, that hit REAL good, is no more than an automated tool.

            The winning system, if there is something like a "winning system" in the first place, is created in the mind.

            You can not take vtracs and expect it to bring you fortune.
            You can not take totals and expect they bring you fortune.
            You can not take mirrors and expect they bring you fortune.

            Think!

            Look at the game, each and every one.
            Look, think and and let it sink.
            times hit, current skip, average skip, last n-skips, ...
            Don't stick with one "system", a system is "static", the game is dynamic. If you can not be dynamic along with it, well, though day...
            Don't take my word for it, but each and every, pick 3, game is different.

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              Posted: February 24, 2006, 8:07 pm - IP Logged

              If members had to prove that their systems and ideas worked better than random picks before posting them, they would never post any.  If anyone ever developed a system that actually made money they probably would have no interest in posting it.  The best I expect here is to read about ideas others are trying and if I think those ideas are worthless I don't use them. 

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                Posted: February 24, 2006, 11:08 pm - IP Logged

                Next thing you know someone will be asking if there really is such a thing as "mirror states", or "sister states"... lol

                no, there is not!

                This discussion has lowered itself to the point that there is very little reason for me to continue to debate.

                As soon as one side of the debate says they have absolute knowledge of the existence or non-existence of something -- like they know everything -- then it becomes pointless to continue.

                How do you know there is no such thing as "mirror states"? 

                You know what I should say back to you, since you're so close-minded about anything except what YOU believe?  I should tell you that anyone who thinks that a computer program can help you win the lottery is flipping crazy.  The likelihood of a computer program helping you win the lottery is a STUPID idea, and anyone who WASTES their time creating STUPID computer programs is NEVER going to win anything.

                How does that sound to you?

                Since I know that you write computer programs, I thought that might help you see what your words do to someone who believes differently from you.

                Would you want to carry on a conversation with someone who says something like that? 

                If you want to dwell among a small group of people that think exactly like you do, and never open your mind to other possibilities, then that is your choice.  But that's NOT what Lottery Post is all about.

                 

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                  Next thing you know someone will be asking if there really is such a thing as "mirror states", or "sister states"... lol

                  no, there is not!

                  This discussion has lowered itself to the point that there is very little reason for me to continue to debate.

                  As soon as one side of the debate says they have absolute knowledge of the existence or non-existence of something -- like they know everything -- then it becomes pointless to continue.

                  How do you know there is no such thing as "mirror states"? 

                  You know what I should say back to you, since you're so close-minded about anything except what YOU believe?  I should tell you that anyone who thinks that a computer program can help you win the lottery is flipping crazy.  The likelihood of a computer program helping you win the lottery is a STUPID idea, and anyone who WASTES their time creating STUPID computer programs is NEVER going to win anything.

                  How does that sound to you?

                  Since I know that you write computer programs, I thought that might help you see what your words do to someone who believes differently from you.

                  Would you want to carry on a conversation with someone who says something like that? 

                  If you want to dwell among a small group of people that think exactly like you do, and never open your mind to other possibilities, then that is your choice.  But that's NOT what Lottery Post is all about.

                  Strange that you only quote that post, since i posted another one just a few minutes later.
                  That second post should "explain" something about the first one i posted about "mirror states".
                  The game is not static, it is dynamic.

                  "A system, programmed, that will provide straights or boxed winners, that hit REAL good, is no more than an automated tool.

                  The winning system, if there is something like a "winning system" in the first place, is created in the mind.

                  You can not take vtracs and expect it to bring you fortune.
                  You can not take totals and expect they bring you fortune.
                  You can not take mirrors and expect they bring you fortune.

                  Think!

                  Look at the game, each and every one.
                  Look, think and and let it sink.
                  times hit, current skip, average skip, last n-skips, ...
                  Don't stick with one "system", a system is "static", the game is dynamic. If you can not be dynamic along with it, well, though day...
                  Don't take my word for it, but each and every, pick 3, game is different.
                  "

                   

                  The dynamics require from a "player" to anticipate on them, each and every day. Well, not exactly "each and every day", but take a few days into account, up to 7 or 10.
                  If you only play numbers in state A, that have fallen in State B, ... is that what is to be considered a "mirror state"?
                  If it were that easy, we'd all be millionairs by now and pick3 would no longer exist.

                   

                  'Never open your mind to other possibilities"???
                  I've programmed and backtested pretty much every "system" i've read about, here and in other places.
                  I don't have a Bentley... why not?

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                    A system can of course have both static and dynamic elements, but because of the dynamic element(s) it would or should be called dynamic.

                    It does appear as if some people think that there is no such thing as a winning system.

                    No matter, everybody is free to think whatever they want to.

                    I better say no more.

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                      A winning system, Lantern, for me is "a system that uses several other systems".
                      That is what i mean with dynamic.
                      One period system A will work, then fades away and system B provides winners.

                      That's, in short, all i meant with it.

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                        this is gambling my friends you win some you lose some so just chill and play the way you want too everything on this earth has a flaw in it that's life. nothing is perfect on this earth. so show some love and have fun and use your common sense

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                          Posted: February 25, 2006, 2:50 pm - IP Logged

                          As printed in my blog on Feb. 4

                          Vtracs..

                          Got some lovers of it.. Got some haters..

                          Love or Hate...

                          the truth is .. Vtracs playing is only playing

                          the hot numbers.. or hot pairs..

                          After working with them for months and reading

                          responses from other methods, it is clear to

                          see they are one and the same.

                          To me it is just a way to organize the data

                          given in the draws. When you see a double

                          vtrac fall in one state, you can bet it will return

                          again in the same state or neighboring state.

                          Some people line those doubles up and play

                          them across the states. Which is fine. Could

                          bring in a hit.. I do that only when those double

                          vtracs are showing up in the pick 4 as well.

                          Another way to use those doubles to your advantage

                          is to watch for double warnings in your state.. or hot

                          pairs..

                          EX..if GA gets a double... and the vtrac is 344..

                          Look to see if your state has the hot vtracs

                          34? if so .. play both sides.. especially if you see

                          the double vtrac in your pick 4 line up.

                          It is funny to see the haters of vtracs use methods

                          which is basically vtracs with a different name.

                          What is funnier is to hear them say it works, and that

                          vtracs do not work. When they are really one and

                          the same.

                          For you new vtrac players... stick with the method,

                          and most importantly, be someone who has the

                          withitness. you have to know your surroundings at

                          all time.

                          When looking for your next kill.. you have to look over

                          each results in each state to see what is hot...

                          Look at the pick 4's.. they are clues that lead you aim

                          in the right directions.

                          Don't always look for that missing number.. but do

                          consider it if you see that vtrac lining up in your

                          pick 4.. it will eventually swing toward the pick 3..

                          I am awaiting the day to open up LP and finding the

                          vtrac result page set up. It will be a blessing to me.

                          At a glance everyone will see the hot vtracs of the day

                          and what string to play. It will save lots of time and

                          money.

                           

                          (which ever you choose to play, play to win and have some fun)

                           

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                            A winning system, Lantern, for me is "a system that uses several other systems".
                            That is what i mean with dynamic.
                            One period system A will work, then fades away and system B provides winners.

                            That's, in short, all i meant with it.

                            I Agree!

                            love to nibble those micey feet.

                             

                                                         

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