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vtracs....useless or not??

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Posted: March 2, 2006, 4:27 pm - IP Logged

I am still confused to know what others are complaining about. If the vtracs doesn't click with you, or the stacks, or the gems, or the pointers,  then move on.

I could have sit there working with those methods I couldn't win with for the rest of my life.. I chose to move on..

Sure glad I did...

*If you always do what you always did, you will always get what you always got..*

*If you fail to plan, plan to fail.*

Hurray!There is one thing for sure "pointers" don't click, they Hit and travel and the prediction board proved it from week to week and I don't post a zillion threads adding up to hundreds of numbers.  My set of numbers were constant for the week.

I don't shove the pointers in everybody's face constantly or compare them to other members systems. 

I don't take credit for numbers that were not on the prediction board.  V-trac does for the most part and that's why it's validity is quesitonable.  And besides it's V-tracs that's getting the special results features, not the gems, stacks or pointers.  So how can you move on from a Vtrac when it's the system that's out there to be proven.  You won't be able to claim it works from the treads only from the prediction board. 

What you should be saying is "the prediction board" will speak out for Vtracs rather than saying if it doesn't click move on. 

All eyes are not on the stacks, the gems or the pointers.  They are on V-tracs. There are not constant complaints about the gems or the pointers.  In fact you are the only person I've heard say anything bad about the gems.  And people don't complaint about the pointers, just me.

So, are Vtracs useless?

So if you always do what you always did, you will always get what you always got and maybe that's why you are still confused.

 

 

I am not confused to when it comes to what numbers to play.

As for the 'Gems" I only mentioned they didnt work for me.

I could have been doing them wrong.. who knows, nothing was ever explained..

I was given 12 sets of numbers to play across the states..  56 draws a day.. at $168 to play box and hope that at least 3 hit to make a profit.. I wasn't going to do that..  if I picked one from the 12.. $14 spent and one of the others fell..

I am not talking about the vtracs "clicking".. the mind of the person using them.. If it doesn't click move on.

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    xavier102772 Vtracs will prove itself on the special results page that was created for it.  No taking credit for hits in the threads unless it was predicted on the prediction board.

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      Credit I seek not I rehash..

      For I am only in this for the Cash..

      I am very thankful that Todd is adding the result page to keep down the  amount of paper work I am having to do..

      I am sure other users will benefit from it as well.

      Every tool available is valuable to one if put in use.

      Everyone uses the tools differently. It is great to be a paid member so I can use the tools the way I need to in order to make a profit each week.

      I am sure I use those tools differently than some. Which is ok. As long as we are all making a profit, it really doesn't matter..

      I will continue to do what I have always done, since I want to get what I have always got with the system I choose to use.

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        Todd - when will the results page be ready?  tenaj - thanks for all your hard work on helping people learn about the V-Trac system.

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          Todd - when will the results page be ready?  tenaj - thanks for all your hard work on helping people learn about the V-Trac system.

          SmashU R welcome Budward.

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            I don't think Xavier was being malicious in his first and subsequent posts. To ask for quantitative proof or a step-by-step procedure that gives profitable results on a repeatable basis without subjectivity of any kind is reasonable and objective.

            The vtracs have been around a lot longer than when they were introduced here. I was checking out this concept about 5 years ago on another web site. I do not have the original website address but I think it was referred to in an earlier post in this thread (and if necessary I will search and find it).

            I worked with the concept and it didn't work for me because it would involve too many combinations to play. The vtrac concept as presented on this forum has been subjective and not as proposed by the website where I learned about it. That presentation was strictly objective. You cannot win after the draw.

            However, that does not mean it is invalid or does not have its merits. I saw the potential when I was working with it. I would like to see someone show us how to use this tool to our profit and before the draw in a clear and concise manner and provable on the prediction boards.

            Everyone is saying you have to use a lot of tools to hit a nail...no, you just need a hammer.

            Posted 4/6:  IL Pick 3 midday and evening until they hit:  555, 347 (str8).


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              Are you serious Todd?  Have you read the othere posts I've put on this board?  They are very knowledgeable, logical and insightful in terms of lottery and mathematics.  However, unlike those people uninformed, not knowledgeable and perhaps plain gullible, I've also been around long enough to test any theory, system, strategy that seems worth testing, at least to either prove or disprove it's usefulless.  Anyway, I'm really curious as to my alterior motive, other than seeking the truth.   

              Of course I'm serious.  You obviously made up your mind, and then asked the question in order to voice your opinion.

              Here's some quotes made by you, all in this very thread:

              "I just hope somebody doesn't go spending the rent money on vtracs and lose it all."

              "...it is a subjective system and not an objective, repeatable system."

              "...you have proven it to be no better than a random expectation system."

              (talking about a different system that you obviously like): "...you will destroy random expectation." (as opposed to vtracs, which you don't like, let alone the fact that you give no proof for such a statement.)

              However, the main proponents of vtracs will now show anyone the proof, along with the exact, repeatable method of aquiring results. (Well, gee, do you think that maybe you should try reading some of the posts by proponents of the system?  They seem to be saying that it is used in conjunction with other systems, and that it has been good for them.  Ever stop to think that maybe other people use different ways of measuring success, and your single, monolithic mindset does not apply?)

              I think that's plenty to show that you have motivations other than your innocent "exploration" theory. 

              So, OK, Mr. "I-only-use-systems-that-destroy-random-expectations", please post your proof that the system you use is repeatable, and always beats random expectation.  This should be interesting.  Cue the excuses, hang on...

               

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                here proof that vtrec and the up one down one works i hit the number again thats two nite's in a row i hit useing both sytems it works mass daily was 2158 my v numbers were  v2 =1-6 v4=3-8 v2=1-6 v1=0-5  now the 1 up and the 1 down method nite before 6325= 7436/5214 and they i play i hit it fron and back have a nice day Party                                                                                                                                                                         

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                  here proof that vtrec and the up one down one works i hit the number again thats two nite's in a row i hit useing both sytems it works mass daily was 2158 my v numbers were  v2 =1-6 v4=3-8 v2=1-6 v1=0-5  now the 1 up and the 1 down method nite before 6325= 7436/5214 and they i play i hit it fron and back have a nice day Party                                                                                                                                                                         

                  Hurray!CONGRAT$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ masslottery.

                  WTG

                   

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                    thany you you help been reading your post to i like your numbers for mass  im playing this next 3629 1407  but i have a strong feeling for these number's 7135 3113 6316Group Hug

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                      here proof that vtrec and the up one down one works i hit the number again thats two nite's in a row i hit useing both sytems it works mass daily was 2158 my v numbers were  v2 =1-6 v4=3-8 v2=1-6 v1=0-5  now the 1 up and the 1 down method nite before 6325= 7436/5214 and they i play i hit it fron and back have a nice day Party                                                                                                                                                                         

                      nice win  congrats!!!!!Hurray!

                      love to nibble those micey feet.

                       

                                                   

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                        this is for you lottery junkies like meam new here like 2days  sence then i hit twice i been on a drought for a very longtime like 5months now i feel a comeback i couldnt hit for jack but before that i hit on a reg like 3 to 5 times but mass lottery did something very fishy one this what happen 100 people our more hit the mass cash from a forture cookie so know they read all the lootery books that are out their to make their numbers harder to its the truth every sence they did i had a very hardtime hitting it until know i hope they never figure this system out i like it showing me the way to a brighter furture keep up the work Stooges

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                          Dance

                          there is nothing better than a pick 4 hit..

                          I love them..

                          Congrats..and many more to you..

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                            I don't think Xavier was being malicious in his first and subsequent posts. To ask for quantitative proof or a step-by-step procedure that gives profitable results on a repeatable basis without subjectivity of any kind is reasonable and objective.

                            The vtracs have been around a lot longer than when they were introduced here. I was checking out this concept about 5 years ago on another web site. I do not have the original website address but I think it was referred to in an earlier post in this thread (and if necessary I will search and find it).

                            I worked with the concept and it didn't work for me because it would involve too many combinations to play. The vtrac concept as presented on this forum has been subjective and not as proposed by the website where I learned about it. That presentation was strictly objective. You cannot win after the draw.

                            However, that does not mean it is invalid or does not have its merits. I saw the potential when I was working with it. I would like to see someone show us how to use this tool to our profit and before the draw in a clear and concise manner and provable on the prediction boards.

                            Everyone is saying you have to use a lot of tools to hit a nail...no, you just need a hammer.

                            Oh, my god are you for real Todd?  Come on.  It reads like a tabloid newspaper how badly my words have been taken out of context.  I'm not bashing vtracs just cause I'm bored, I'm not looking to make money off my own system, I don't want to steal the vtracs system, I don't want anybody's free picks, I'm not a system seller.  My motive is truth.   

                            Anyway, if perhaps what I have written was not clear enough, perhaps it was even long winded.  However, JKING and Rick G have both gotten my point exactly.  If my posts aren't getting the point across correctly, theirs are.

                            BTW, is it useful to post, "I just won using this system."  Perhaps post how much you spent on the system prior to your win.  It's essentially a cost to play vs Winnings question.  Thanks.

                            Digression:

                            Think about random expectation:  If you have 1000 combinations and the max payout is 500, then random expectation is 50%.  So, essentially given a +-5% deviation.  If a system gets you anything greater than 55% over a large sample, then it can be said to beat random expectation.  If you have a system that gets close to 100% but not over, you have a system that destoy random expectation.  However, would you even play this system, if you were only gonna almost break even, in Pick3, probably not.  In lotto, I would say yes, since you're essentailly playing for free until the big win.  :)


                            DKING, Rick G get it, why doesn't anyone else?

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                              xavier102772,

                              I see that you did not answer my question about the system that YOU use.

                              I'll repeat my question, and make it the ONLY point of this post, so that you have nothing other than this question to answer:

                              Please post your proof that the system you use is repeatable, and always beats random expectation.

                               

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