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Well, lets see here....59 replies to this thread and nobody has answered the question. So, in a way, I guess that answers the question....V tracs should be looked at as "wishing well" method/system because there is no analytical data available to prove otherwise. So if you want to spend your money based on love, faith, trust in others, and just because I say so...this would probably be a good way to go.
For me, I like a little more. I like to know the probabilities even though the outcome may still come out bad. I like to see how often an element of my system is performing to expected outcomes. And I simply like to know that historically, it is a winning method, a high percentage of the time.
So, if your analytical, like to to base your bets and money on a method with a good mathematical/historical foundation I would suggest you stay away from v-tracs until somebody/anybody can supply any info of substance.
To all,
It's all about the debate of what is the best methods and practices for picking your lottery numbers. There is nothing personal in my comments and should not be perceived as such. Let the debate go on that we might all become better at what we do.
You are a slave to the choices you have made. jk
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There is no elevator to success, you will have to take the stairs.
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Well, lets see here....59 replies to this thread and nobody has answered the question. So, in a way, I guess that answers the question....V tracs should be looked at as "wishing well" method/system because there is no analytical data available to prove otherwise. So if you want to spend your money based on love, faith, trust in others, and just because I say so...this would probably be a good way to go.
For me, I like a little more. I like to know the probabilities even though the outcome may still come out bad. I like to see how often an element of my system is performing to expected outcomes. And I simply like to know that historically, it is a winning method, a high percentage of the time.
So, if your analytical, like to to base your bets and money on a method with a good mathematical/historical foundation I would suggest you stay away from v-tracs until somebody/anybody can supply any info of substance.
To all,
It's all about the debate of what is the best methods and practices for picking your lottery numbers. There is nothing personal in my comments and should not be perceived as such. Let the debate go on that we might all become better at what we do.
I think the question was answered. Good players have tried and used several methods and systems to arrive at the winning number and through a process of learning, a good tracking system, knows basic lottery math and most of all experience, do not use any system or method exclusively.
Being a winner has nothing to do with what system you use, it about what you know. It's whether you can see the whole picture of what goes on between the numbers 000-999.
If you know those things you can use practically any system and make it work for you. So it's not about whether V-tracs is a good system, it's about whether the user is a good player.
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Howdy All,
I have no facts or figures to back up vtracs but I wanted to point out something that has worked for me in getting the proper vtracs for the day. I use a program called VersaBet, it now has Vtracs built into it. In the program there is a button called Bet Wizard that is surprisingly accurate on which vtracs to play. The best part of all is that it usually produces no more than 3 sets of vtracs to choose from. Today for CA midday it only has one listed. Sometimes the program makes no suggestions at all. Like others here, I take this info and compare it to other methods that I have found to help reduce the combos to play for the day. The only bad thing about the bet wizard is that it always list the suggestions boxed. You have to place the vtracs is the order you feel is best...
Lets see how the programs does for CA Midday today. I did not compare these to the other methods to confirm if I would play these today or not. Let's see what happens...
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Howdy All,
I have no facts or figures to back up vtracs but I wanted to point out something that has worked for me in getting the proper vtracs for the day. I use a program called VersaBet, it now has Vtracs built into it. In the program there is a button called Bet Wizard that is surprisingly accurate on which vtracs to play. The best part of all is that it usually produces no more than 3 sets of vtracs to choose from. Today for CA midday it only has one listed. Sometimes the program makes no suggestions at all. Like others here, I take this info and compare it to other methods that I have found to help reduce the combos to play for the day. The only bad thing about the bet wizard is that it always list the suggestions boxed. You have to place the vtracs is the order you feel is best...
Lets see how the programs does for CA Midday today. I did not compare these to the other methods to confirm if I would play these today or not. Let's see what happens...
Vtracs 311
200 205 250 255 700 705 750 755
Best of Luck All,
Bryan :)
That's a good program Bryan. I used it when it was called something else many years ago. In fact I still have the program on my old laptop running Windows 95. It just wheeled numbers then and didn't have V-tracs. How old is V-tracs anyway.
It was a lifetime membership and I can upgrade for $30.
I hope everybody pay attention the the numbers that Bryan have just posted. Don't let them hit you.
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Just a few questions:
"So it's not about whether V-tracs is a good system"
Is this an admission that v-tracs might as well be considered worthless because nobody can prove that it's a good system or not?
"Being a winner has nothing to do with what system you use"
I respectufully disagree. There is a lot of good work going on here that will evetually end up in a system of reproducible wins for everybody. Without a system you might as well quick pick.
"If you know those things you can use practically any system and make it work for you."
Respectfully, what are those things. If it is anything other than a feeling, wish, or intuitive guess numbers and programming can be put to it. The randomness of the lottery is mystery enough for me. I don't need another mystery to solve.
"it's about whether the user is a good player."
My only reply to this is look to see how many have a positive cash flow on the prediction board. To me being a good player is not losing money.
"I do not see anyone having a for sale sign on the system. "
I do repect some of the work that has been done here...free for all. In fact, some of it is outstanding. But none of the methods involve smoke and mirrors. Their by the the numbers and reproducable by all.
And it is that which will eventually end up in a winning system for all wether it's for sale or not.
"The system has been posted on the forums for people to test out for themselves."
That is true, my question is...Aside from the handful of people promoting it, where are the testimonials?
It's been around for the couple of years that I've been at the lottery post and it has proven to be little more than an intellectual experiment that keeps coming back with no proof of any consistent/provable success.
Help me here, why are so many side stepping the original questions of this thread? Why is it that the people who supposedly use it are unable to state anything analytical about it? How is anyone supposed to know with any real assurance that it is worth using?
You are a slave to the choices you have made. jk
Even a blind squirrel will occasionally find an acorn.
There is no elevator to success, you will have to take the stairs.
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Just a few questions:
"So it's not about whether V-tracs is a good system"
Is this an admission that v-tracs might as well be considered worthless because nobody can prove that it's a good system or not?
"Being a winner has nothing to do with what system you use"
I respectufully disagree. There is a lot of good work going on here that will evetually end up in a system of reproducible wins for everybody. Without a system you might as well quick pick.
"If you know those things you can use practically any system and make it work for you."
Respectfully, what are those things. If it is anything other than a feeling, wish, or intuitive guess numbers and programming can be put to it. The randomness of the lottery is mystery enough for me. I don't need another mystery to solve.
"it's about whether the user is a good player."
My only reply to this is look to see how many have a positive cash flow on the prediction board. To me being a good player is not losing money.
"I do not see anyone having a for sale sign on the system. "
I do repect some of the work that has been done here...free for all. In fact, some of it is outstanding. But none of the methods involve smoke and mirrors. Their by the the numbers and reproducable by all.
And it is that which will eventually end up in a winning system for all wether it's for sale or not.
"The system has been posted on the forums for people to test out for themselves."
That is true, my question is...Aside from the handful of people promoting it, where are the testimonials?
It's been around for the couple of years that I've been at the lottery post and it has proven to be little more than an intellectual experiment that keeps coming back with no proof of any consistent/provable success.
Help me here, why are so many side stepping the original questions of this thread? Why is it that the people who supposedly use it are unable to state anything analytical about it? How is anyone supposed to know with any real assurance that it is worth using?
"So it's not about whether V-tracs is a good system"
The whole thing really from the beginning was not about V-tracs itself - it was about the way
V-tracs was promoted. So the system was attacked. I don't see any reason why V-trac shouldn't be LP's mascot as long as other systems are respected. And that was questionable.
"Being a winner has nothing to do with what system you use"
You can have the winning number, the right system but being a human being -MESS IT UP AND LOSE. There's lots of other things that goes along with being a winner. Somebody did a blog on it - read it.
"it's about whether the user is a good player."
Ditto from above
"If you know those things you can use practically any system and make it work for you."
It's called experience and that is no mystery to anyone. Knowing how the numbers between 000-999 relate and the ability to read what clusters of numbers are running the show. Oh you didn't know that clusters of certain numbers drive the states from week to week. (and I'm not talking about the lead number and pointers either) That's why I say it is a process in learning.
I respectfully disagree. There is a lot of good work going on here that will eventually end up in a system of reproducible wins for everybody. Without a system you might as well quick pick.
There is a method that doesn't require paper, pencil, workouts, systems, filters, or any of the other stuff you hear about. It's call Number Association. It comes from years of successfully tracking and seeing patterns that grew wrinkles in your brain.
There are successful number players who can't even read.
I understand why you disagree and I'm not trying to be a know it all and I know I sound like one. There is a lot about becoming a sucessful player that we all need to learn. And when you argue about what system is the best is shows that you don't know nothing.
Help me here, why are so many side stepping the original questions of this thread? Why is it that the people who supposedly use it are unable to state anything analytical about it? How is anyone supposed to know with any real assurance that it is worth using?
One time when I was very young, I learned something that was profound to me in a book that I had read. I was excited and talked to a few people about it. My question was "why didn't anybody tell me". It would have saved me a lot of lumps. And then finally in talking with a certain person that knew exactly what I was talking about - the answer was "they didn't know either".
Tntea, answer his question - unable to state anything analytical about it? -:) this is going to be good.lol (a clue, a clue - it has to do with basic simple lottery math)
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Not really sure exactly why powerplayer posted....if it is what I thought it was. It came from an Adam Sandler movie dealing with anger managment and frustation. I posted the letters reversed.
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The Vtrac method is a wonderful method for those who are willing to follow it. Tntea I appreciate all of your hard work. I still review your rules from time to time. They do work. I follow the SC, Georgia and Michigan and have been taking note of the double warnings and reverse double warning in SC. For example, these numbers came to SC this weekend.
Fri 2-24 413 4447 581 3349 Sat 2-25 084 8782 932 6916 Sun 2-26 454 1157
Michigan had 445 a few days earlier if the mirror state is followed. The double warning rule came through for SC. So again Tntea, I thank you for your hard work.