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# what about people with a system that only share half of the system

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Lucky Loser

"Okay, let's put a pen to this. You say that hitting a dartboard with a shotgun isn't impressive. This is simply a matter ofopinion until you fully understand the true math...which I've explainedbefore to you, 'Toss. We're gonna take (300) numbers which, beingplayed @ 1.00 per number, is \$300. (300) divided by(4) is 75 whichtranslates into \$75 @ .25 per number...1/4 of (300)."

OK, if this is so surefire why are you suggesting 25 cent bets? No lottery I know of books 25 cent action so that means you can only do this online, a red flag of sorts.

"Now, are you saying that it's not worth spending \$300 at theright time on the right draws to make this kind of profit, 'Toss? Mindyou, this is \$600 in profit @ \$1.00 per number. The player's initial investment was recovered in just the very first hit in case you didn'tnotice that. Everything after that is "pure true profit" and cannot bedenied. Even at a loss, the player only loses 1/4 of what they've won."

The word investment, when used with gambling, is a sign of a problem player. Some people bet a buck or two as it gives them a thrill. Others bet a lot more than that because they have to be in action.

Also, re: the shotgun approach. This is akin to betting both sides of most of the NFL games on a  Sunday and then saying "I won! I won".

When somebody comes here to LP and saus they have a Pick 3 system that allowed them to quit their job and have a very comfortable retirement those of us who don;t believe in systems might pay attention.

'Til then, bark of bitter tree tastes good to hungry squirrel.

Listen, there is always the chance that you can lose in this game no matter how well you play or how many numbers are wagered. I used the .25 bet because it's the cheapest way to start in this case, 'Toss. (75) is 1/4 of (300)...again. It's better to start here just in case of the loss as opposed to dropping the whole \$300 @ \$1.00 per number. It's just common sense to start low and allow the money to build up.

Did you read my breakdown carefully or just skim over it? You dissected it and posted what you wanted of it here in the wrong order. It demonstrates a progressive wager based on the win, profit made, and total opportunities available to obtain the same hit again.

If it only costs \$75 to play str8 and the payout is \$225, where's the problem? 225 - 75 = 150. The initial \$75 really is recovered in the first hit due to the payout, man.

Also, I've seen where others here have used the word investment when discussing Pick 3 and you had nothing negative to say to them. jrosina did it and so did joker17. There are no posts from you saying they have a gambling problem. What is it that you have against me?

L.L.

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I think most people here, except for the hard corps Pick 3 crowd would disagree with that.

The average ticket sale is \$1.

\$75 is just a little less than I spend on all games a monrth. I'm not about to put that much on one drawing. As I said before, people who play that heavy are just playing to play. The average player is betting a buck and hoping to pick up a little extra or maybe a lot extra in additiin to a paycheck.

I'll answer your scratchers and slot machines by saying if you're going to spend \$75 a drawing you should just go to a dice table or make a sports bet. Granted the payoff isn't near as much, but over the long haul you will have hit a lot more dice or sports bets than a Pick 3, straight or box.

To each rtheir own.

Good Luck

I agree with you on this one Coin Toss.  I'm happy to get a straight \$1 hit.  It's an extra paycheck.

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Listen, there is always the chance that you can lose in this game no matter how well you play or how many numbers are wagered. I used the .25 bet because it's the cheapest way to start in this case, 'Toss. (75) is 1/4 of (300)...again. It's better to start here just in case of the loss as opposed to dropping the whole \$300 @ \$1.00 per number. It's just common sense to start low and allow the money to build up.

Did you read my breakdown carefully or just skim over it? You dissected it and posted what you wanted of it here in the wrong order. It demonstrates a progressive wager based on the win, profit made, and total opportunities available to obtain the same hit again.

If it only costs \$75 to play str8 and the payout is \$225, where's the problem? 225 - 75 = 150. The initial \$75 really is recovered in the first hit due to the payout, man.

Also, I've seen where others here have used the word investment when discussing Pick 3 and you had nothing negative to say to them. jrosina did it and so did joker17. There are no posts from you saying they have a gambling problem. What is it that you have against me?

L.L.

Texas...

Pick 3 offers a 50-cent play, twelve drawings a week (six Day and six Night drawings) and a top prize of \$500 (on a \$1 play.) It's easy to play. Just pick three single-digit numbers from "0" to "9", choose how you want to play them, the number of drawings you want to play and the time of day you want to play.

Where does the twenty five cents come into play?

Michigan only offers a .50 cent which can be played straight or boxed. NOT 2Way.

The \$1.00 bet can be played numerous ways.

Curious.

CutlassBob

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Texas...

Pick 3 offers a 50-cent play, twelve drawings a week (six Day and six Night drawings) and a top prize of \$500 (on a \$1 play.) It's easy to play. Just pick three single-digit numbers from "0" to "9", choose how you want to play them, the number of drawings you want to play and the time of day you want to play.

Where does the twenty five cents come into play?

Michigan only offers a .50 cent which can be played straight or boxed. NOT 2Way.

The \$1.00 bet can be played numerous ways.

Curious.

CutlassBob

It's for people who are able to wager online where .25 bets are offered. I guess I can see where I may have thrown you off a bit. My posts are based on this style of bet. Do yourself a favor and don't feed into anything I say because I don't know what I'm talking about, okay. None of my math makes sense and profit cannot be made on this game.

L.L.

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But you had access to that data with every draw.  It was obvious that the digit 9 was missing.  And it's not missing data now.  If it happens again and again, it will be a pattern.  Now you know that at a certain period digit 9 went missing for 23 draws.  You know when it happened, how long it happened, and the other factors surrounding it when it happened.  Example: what digits dominated when the 9 went missing. Did they repeat? How many times did they repeat.

Does it happen with other digits? What happened when they went missing?  Did the same thing happen when the 9 went missing.  They are patterns in randomness.  Math is not required.

Actually it can be used for your benefit.  Questions to ask is did it happen before, when, were the factors the same, what's different, what makes it different.  Data gives you data .....it's how you analyze it.

So next time a digit goes missing in an unnatural way - decide and trust that it's going to be out for awhile and eliminate it in your plays and use it to your advantage.  Especially it it did it before.

That's the whole point of getting the pre-test draws.   At least that was the reason I got it.  Actually it's privy to inside information.  My complaint is that it did not list the actual draw like the last time.  You had to plug that in.

Huh,did I read you correctly in that... "math is not required"...?

My point was in order to run an accurate statistical analysis you "NEED ALL" the data.

Have you ever stopped to think "WHY" there is a pattern in randomness?

The digit 9 went missing in the regular draws but was in the pre-draws all along.This is how statistical analysis becomes incomplete and leads to error on the part of the individual trying to perform any kind of standard deviation/reduction modeling..

I mean come on its obvious as helll...!

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It's for people who are able to wager online where .25 bets are offered. I guess I can see where I may have thrown you off a bit. My posts are based on this style of bet. Do yourself a favor and don't feed into anything I say because I don't know what I'm talking about, okay. None of my math makes sense and profit cannot be made on this game.

L.L.

IMHO.....Maybe if you just added in your posts "For online bets only" We would know you know what you are talking about.

Never said you don't know what you are talking about, just not clear for us folks who do not play online.

Math does not make sense if the balls are driven by air and inhaled up a tube. Like i said before, math may give you a reduced pool of numbers, but the biggest common demoniator is the air and the suction, For us players in states where they use that type of method to draw the numbers.

TC

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IMHO.....Maybe if you just added in your posts "For online bets only" We would know you know what you are talking about.

Never said you don't know what you are talking about, just not clear for us folks who do not play online.

Math does not make sense if the balls are driven by air and inhaled up a tube. Like i said before, math may give you a reduced pool of numbers, but the biggest common demoniator is the air and the suction, For us players in states where they use that type of method to draw the numbers.

TC

CutlassBob

Bore x Bore x Stroke x Number of Cylinders = Cubic Inches. This is only one approach at arriving to cubic inches, right? There are more ways to figuring out Pick 3 mathematically as well but, people don't want to accept it. Yeah, Bob, I love cars and racing just like you do! I'm in the process of building a turbo LS1 and dropping it into a 2000 Mustang. Cross Breeding is in nowadays! Should run pretty good...hopefully.

I'm looking for some mid to high 5's in the 1/8 mile.

L.L.

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Bore x Bore x Stroke x Number of Cylinders = Cubic Inches. This is only one approach at arriving to cubic inches, right? There are more ways to figuring out Pick 3 mathematically as well but, people don't want to accept it. Yeah, Bob, I love cars and racing just like you do! I'm in the process of building a turbo LS1 and dropping it into a 2000 Mustang. Cross Breeding is in nowadays! Should run pretty good...hopefully.

I'm looking for some mid to high 5's in the 1/8 mile.

L.L.

Mistake in the equation: Bore x Bore x Stroke x Number of Cylinders x .7854 = Cubic Inches. Sorry about that.

L.L.

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Lucky Loser,

Re: your last post to me, I don't have anything against you.

I seriously doubt that jrosina or joker17 are playing \$75 a drawing on the Pick 3. Even if they are they are not sufggesting it as the preferred m.o.

As far as "investment" since I had years in Vegas in casinos I know the lingo, regsrdless of thre specific game the jargon is the same. "I'm even" means I'm stuck less than \$200, etc....

As for those playing just to be playing, they are sometimes known as a BRF.

I do find it hilarious that you are advocating betting at that level and call yourslef Lucky Loser here.

Buono Fortuna.

Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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Lucky Loser,

Re: your last post to me, I don't have anything against you.

I seriously doubt that jrosina or joker17 are playing \$75 a drawing on the Pick 3. Even if they are they are not sufggesting it as the preferred m.o.

As far as "investment" since I had years in Vegas in casinos I know the lingo, regsrdless of thre specific game the jargon is the same. "I'm even" means I'm stuck less than \$200, etc....

As for those playing just to be playing, they are sometimes known as a BRF.

I do find it hilarious that you are advocating betting at that level and call yourslef Lucky Loser here.

Buono Fortuna.

Okay.

L.L.

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Bore x Bore x Stroke x Number of Cylinders = Cubic Inches. This is only one approach at arriving to cubic inches, right? There are more ways to figuring out Pick 3 mathematically as well but, people don't want to accept it. Yeah, Bob, I love cars and racing just like you do! I'm in the process of building a turbo LS1 and dropping it into a 2000 Mustang. Cross Breeding is in nowadays! Should run pretty good...hopefully.

I'm looking for some mid to high 5's in the 1/8 mile.

L.L.

Sounds like a very nice combo there sir.

Took my Cutlass to UBLY Dragway here in Michigan for Test and Tune Day, shes pretty much stock, got a 425 ci Olds motor bored out to a 430, Edelbrock 4 bbl carb, getting a Holley this year.  Headers, Turbo400 Auto Trans with stock 308 rear end. She hooks up good enough for me, i am a highway cruiser. Took it to Nebraska visiting relatives in Crete. Had a riot. Only ran a 13.23 in the quarter mile. Had a snowmobile lined up with me, it blew my doors off. Lined up against a 1990 Vette and i beat it by 5 seconds LoL.

Bore X Bore X Stroke X .7854 X # of cylinders = Cubic Inches.

Try that.

CutlassBob

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When Playing the Lottery the Law of Diminishing Returns applies and explains why Lottery Systems Fail:

The tendency for a continuing application of effort or skill toward a particular project or goal to decline in effectiveness after a certain level of result has been achieved.

A mind once stretched by a new idea never returns to its original dimensions!

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I hate it when people say they have a system and they only share half. If you aren't going to show

the whole thing you should just keep it to yourself, are if you feel that someone is going to steal it keep

it to yourself. If you want to play the guessing game keep it to yourself.

The Truth of the Matter is: They didn't have a Lottery System to begin with: What ever they did post: They were making up as they went: Is it worth getting upset about: Not Really!

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The Truth of the Matter is: They didn't have a Lottery System to begin with: What ever they did post: They were making up as they went: Is it worth getting upset about: Not Really!

Who getting upset. Why go to all the bother if you're not going to go all the way is my point.

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When Playing the Lottery the Law of Diminishing Returns applies and explains why Lottery Systems Fail:

The tendency for a continuing application of effort or skill toward a particular project or goal to decline in effectiveness after a certain level of result has been achieved.

I've found that's true with my system.  I've ran test that show after 20 lines, there's no significant improvement per number of additional lines added.  I might get a \$2 or \$3 win but the additional lines will have cost more than I win.  That's fine with me since my budget is between \$5 and \$20 worth of tickets depending on the jackpot size.   I guess if you can't win the top prize with 10-20 lines, a hundred more are likely to change your luck.

* you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket *

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