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Quote: Originally posted by jimjwright on Aug 11, 2010
I would be up for it if the game was Powerball. Powerball is the only game I track, otherwise I would be just a QP'er. I typically pick 12 numbers and play a 3 if 3 of 5 wheel which requires 29 picks. So if the competition allowed at least 30 picks I would play. Again I'm not Pro SP or Pro QP but I prefer SP because I'm a control freak and I like dabbling in pattern recognition.
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I can understand that, I track both PowerBall and MegaMillions but I only play one at a time, usually the one with the higher jackpot. I'm starting to prefer PB because it has fewer bonus numbers making it easier to hit its bonus number and hitting the bonus number is key to winning a nice prize or any prize most time. Playing both games at the same time is not within my budget. Also the time to do a workup is limiting too.
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Quote: Originally posted by LotteryTechInc on Aug 11, 2010
youinserted yourself into the "you guys" category when your back and forth disintagrated into calling me names / jerkitis, plus your "unwillingness" to prove that systems are better, while continuing to scream they do
(WRONG you can't automatically insert me into any category if I'm not part of the group making claims that system play is better where do you get this GOD complex from?? oh never mind I know I never said systems are better I said that they work just as well as any other method and at the moment they work better for me than quick-picks silly man)
"you guys" are the integrity ain'ts that either insist that systems can gain an edge while refusing to prove it, or the outright jerks in here that think they are going to sidetrack me with their kindegarten smoke screen tactics.
(This I do stand by based on PERSONAL experience after continuously losing using YOUR preferred method I tried the strategic approach and it WORKED so I proved too myself it works IT don't matter what a skeptic thinks)
yes i did, and so far, by default, i did prove it when i put up my 46 toot suite combo's and against the 2 other "challenges" both won, making it equal just like i said.i am a doer, and i did what i said i would do. people like you scream for 50pages "it can" with zero proof so far in here now (by default).......that makes ME the "lottery expert
(WRONG,WRONG,WRONG I ALWAYS maintained that both were capable of working and that one wasn't better than the other but you claim system play doesn't increase your chances you haven't proved otherwise it was proved it can work just like quick-picks)
maybe you can actually post all your losing tickets too, so we can actually see how great your "system" rewarded you over time
(I don't care or keep track about that and I NEVER said my system was great,the best,better than qick-picks etc.. all I said was that it WORKED for me and that's all that matters how many losing quick-pick tickets have you aquired since your last win?? what you say or believe don't really matter so it's pointless too make demands of any system player when your preferred method doesn't so well for you at all)
yes i did, and so far, by default, i did prove it when i put up my 46 toot suite combo's and against the 2 other "challenges" both won, making it equal just like i said.i am a doer, and i did what i said i would do. people like you scream for 50pages "it can" with zero proof so far in here now (by default).......that makes ME the "lottery expert
(WRONG if your an expert than I'm the King of England your not even an expert at using quick-picks man your so full of yourself it's not even funny what a weird guy you are)
"(WRONG,WRONG,WRONG I ALWAYS maintained that both were capable of working and that one wasn't better than the other but you claim system play doesn't increase your chances you haven't proved otherwise it was proved it can work just like quick-picks)
well you and your systems CONstituents sure haven't proved squat diddly, and remember "you guys" are the ones making the claims (not "us")........so proving something "that works".........is ON YOU
you say that "one wasn't better than the other", then you state systems give a person an "edge" .
you suffer from LSPD (lottery schizophrenia position disorder).
tech posted his "winning ticket" as "proof" that his system worked, and when i called him on the etchics of trying to pass it off as it does, by asking him about all his losing tickets as well, he replies ...... "I don't care or keep track about that" i know. that's the TRUTH part about systems that "supposedly" work
good thing there are HONEST PEOPLE in this thread, who HONESTLY weigh their wins against their losses
how many losing quick-pick tickets have you aquired since your last win??
God only knows (literally) tech "how many".
but you remember exactly what i said about my fate, in that LOSING TICKETS are perfectly fine on my way to my destination. peanut farm, not "peanuts" is my game
your claim includes a daily wish to create an edge.
mine does not, so my integrity is consistent and intact commensurate WITH my "claims". 13years of steadyness
you know, YOU can become "the lottery expert"
do the board a big ginormous favor and park your UNWILLINGNESS for a moment, so that somebody that IS a "doer" can step forward. all you have been is a "talker", and the talkers clog up the board, because i have to expend time "cleaning up" after their integrity spillages.
it's obvious you won't, and this back and forth nonsense creates an atmosphere that makes actual DOERS gun shy
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Quote: Originally posted by RJOh on Aug 11, 2010
Actually I've been testing my system all along by posting the first 10 of the 20-25 lines of the PB and MM combinations I played on the prediction board. Last night one of my winners was in the first 10 lines and I had a 1+1 MM hit on the board.
Probably the best way to run a comparison test between PP and QP would be to have members post the same amount of PP and QP combinations for a particular game for a month and see where they end up on the 30 days hit percentage charts.
Let me see if I understand...you basically post the same thing on the prediction board as you did in this thread, except it is only 10 lines? So, if "anyone" was inclined to run an ongoing test, they only have to leave this thread and get 10 quick picks before the draw, then compare them to your self-picks on the prediction board?
Right? If I misrepresented something, let me know.
...and of course, there are others also using the prediction board. So if "anyone" wanted to run an ongoing test between QPs and SPs, it really wouldn't be difficult! WOW, a ready made situation for anyone wanting to check QPs vs SPs! Amazing.
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Quote: Originally posted by truecritic on Aug 11, 2010
Let me see if I understand...you basically post the same thing on the prediction board as you did in this thread, except it is only 10 lines? So, if "anyone" was inclined to run an ongoing test, they only have to leave this thread and get 10 quick picks before the draw, then compare them to your self-picks on the prediction board?
Right? If I misrepresented something, let me know.
...and of course, there are others also using the prediction board. So if "anyone" wanted to run an ongoing test between QPs and SPs, it really wouldn't be difficult! WOW, a ready made situation for anyone wanting to check QPs vs SPs! Amazing.
I didn't post any numbers in this thread for last night's MM drawing, I only post them on the prediction board. I simply mentioned that I post 10 of the 20 MM lines I played on the prediction board to suggest how a simulation comparing QP with SP could be done fairly but it would take more than just a couple of drawings to come to any representative conclusions, maybe a whole month of drawings or more.
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well you and your systems CONstituents sure haven't proved squat diddly, and remember "you guys" are the ones making the claims (not "us")........so proving something "that works".........is ON YOU
you say that "one wasn't better than the other", then you state systems give a person an "edge" .
(WE DON'T HAVE TOO if we won money using a strategy that's all the proof needed "JESUS" this place was so PEACEFUL when you were away!!! I said that yes so what??? quick-picks are not better than system picks and system picks are not better than quick-picks BUT if I used quick-picks and NEVER won anything and switched over too using a system then OBVIOUSLY it gave me an edge,increased my chances,helped me in some way if I WAS able too HIT so comparing the 2 PERSONALLY the system approach gave me an edge that quick-picks WERE not able too do like it does for other players.The EDGE is whatever works too get a player a HIT "my goodness" I hope your not married because you probably drive your wife NUTS!!!)
you suffer from LSPD (lottery schizophrenia position disorder). (I can't post what you suffer from it'll get SNIPPED out)
tech posted his "winning ticket" as "proof" that his system worked, and when i called him on the etchics of trying to pass it off as it does, by asking him about all his losing tickets as well, he replies ...... "I don't care or keep track about that" i know. that's the TRUTH part about systems that "supposedly" work ("IT WORKED" because I hit how could anyone be so stupid??? NO one not even quick-pick players care or keep track of how many LOSING TICKETS they accumulated in FL there was a winner that played the same numbers for over 10 yrs until they won how many LOSING tickets do you suppose he had?? A LOT what about the players that BUY quick-picks for 10-20 yrs and finally win how many losing tickets did they collect? "THEY DON'T CARE" they won that's all that matters your just mad because you haven't really won anything worthwhile so now your taking it out on system players NO one in here cares about the losing tickets EXCEPT you so that pretty much says a lot)
good thing there are HONEST PEOPLE in this thread, who HONESTLY weigh their wins against their losses (what??? are you mad?? I said I play for FUN not for a living IF I played for a living THEN I would honestly keep track of that you can't even DISTINGUISH between someone that plays for fun and someone that plays too make a profit if I play for fun I'm not concerned with that RJOH plays for fun does he care about the losses?? NOPE that only APPLIES too a specific kind of player so why don't you ask the PROFIT players too post that information??? you can't because the members involved in this discussion don't play that way as far as I CAN tell)
do the board a big ginormous favor and park your UNWILLINGNESS for a moment, so that somebody that IS a "doer" can step forward. all you have been is a "talker", and the talkers clog up the board, because i have to expend time "cleaning up" after their integrity spillages. it's obvious you won't, and this back and forth nonsense creates an atmosphere that makes actual DOERS gun shy we need to get this over with
(What unwillingness??? I'm not a PROFIT player why don't you go find one too annoy and stop being so ridiculous I'm a talker cause you keep making silly accusations and absurd demands YOUR clogging up the board with complete and total nonsense the only thing you need too clean up is your method of play and maybe you'll win before your time on earth expires I HAVE nothing too prove to the likes of you other than what I posted "my winning ticket" I HAVE other tickets from the past year but no need to post them everyone understands my piont EXCEPT you where is your proof that your method works for you?? when was the last time you won anything??? oh my goodness no wonder you were so unpopular back then you haven't changed one bit your still very ANNOYING)
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Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Aug 11, 2010
Thanks truecritic,
My intentions are to do just what you're hoping for. However, when you say, "Profit is not involved," I have to disagree. Profit is definitely involved because carefully choosing picks that include more of the universe of available numbers will most often produce more "winners" (Winning Tickets) than QPs. The important truth that I want to uncover is whether (or NOT) these PPs (Personal Picks?) result in more money in your pocket than QPs over time.
--Jimmy4164
Hey truecritic!
I addressed the CRUX of the whole debate here, and it looks to me like it's going to be ignored.
I distinctly remember reading claims by many people here that they do, in fact, make money playing the lottery, with no mention of hitting a Jackpot, and only vague references to winning histories. Someone mentioned once that they were up $70K lifetime without mentioning if a Jackpot was the primary reason. You seem to be saying that Personal Picks will not net you any more money than QPs, but you don't think this is important. I'm impressed with your grasp of the theory, but not with your disregard for losing money! This was the reason for my response above.
I'm concerned that the result of writing modules to backtest specific systems that output equity lines that prove that over time you lose about half of what you spend no matter WHAT system you use to make your picks, is going to be, "Oh, we already knew that; we just do it for fun and we measure our fun in the PERCENTAGE of our TICKETS that are WINNERS. No matter that we recover only 50% of what we spend UNLESS we Hit the Jackpot." If this happens, I will have invested a LOT of my valuable time for NOTHING!
So, is there anyone here willing to step up to the plate and make a challenge? How about, "Twedk's TTT system is not the best around, but it WILL produce a NET ROI (Return On Investment) of at least 5%. Using this system, If you start with $1,000, you should end five years of play with AT LEAST $1276.(Compound Int) If you hit a Jackpot during the 5 years, you will do MUCH better!" Or perhaps people who claim to have won tens of thousands sans a Jackpot are willing to make bolder challenges. 5% beats most savings account interest these days!
Otherwise, Personal Pickers, just admit that MOST state lotteries are POINT FIVE GAMES, equity wise, so we can get some sleep! I'm getting weary of this.
--Jimmy4164
P.S. The BLUE text above is NOT my claim; it is describing a hypothetical challenge that I'm hoping one or more people might make.
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Quote: Originally posted by jimmy4164 on Aug 11, 2010
Hey truecritic!
I addressed the CRUX of the whole debate here, and it looks to me like it's going to be ignored.
I distinctly remember reading claims by many people here that they do, in fact, make money playing the lottery, with no mention of hitting a Jackpot, and only vague references to winning histories. Someone mentioned once that they were up $70K lifetime without mentioning if a Jackpot was the primary reason. You seem to be saying that Personal Picks will not net you any more money than QPs, but you don't think this is important. I'm impressed with your grasp of the theory, but not with your disregard for losing money! This was the reason for my response above.
I'm concerned that the result of writing modules to backtest specific systems that output equity lines that prove that over time you lose about half of what you spend no matter WHAT system you use to make your picks, is going to be, "Oh, we already knew that; we just do it for fun and we measure our fun in the PERCENTAGE of our TICKETS that are WINNERS. No matter that we recover only 50% of what we spend UNLESS we Hit the Jackpot." If this happens, I will have invested a LOT of my valuable time for NOTHING!
So, is there anyone here willing to step up to the plate and make a challenge? How about, "Twedk's TTT system is not the best around, but it WILL produce a NET ROI (Return On Investment) of at least 5%. Using this system, If you start with $1,000, you should end five years of play with AT LEAST $1276.(Compound Int) If you hit a Jackpot during the 5 years, you will do MUCH better!" Or perhaps people who claim to have won tens of thousands sans a Jackpot are willing to make bolder challenges. 5% beats most savings account interest these days!
Otherwise, Personal Pickers, just admit that MOST state lotteries are POINT FIVE GAMES, equity wise, so we can get some sleep! I'm getting weary of this.
--Jimmy4164
P.S. The BLUE text above is NOT my claim; it is describing a hypothetical challenge that I'm hoping one or more people might make.
jimmy,
I don't have to quote odds to you, lotteries have high odds. Consider roulette at around 5.26% edge for the house and you find very few players that are able to beat even that. Believe it or not, there are some that spend their time making a living doing just that.
I have never known anyone that is a professional gambler, play any game of chance without a plan (system - method).
No one to my knowledge has provided a statistical test for the various lottery systems. TTT might produce a profit. I'd like to see a workout of TTT. There is no real jackpot when it comes to Pick 3. The best you can do is buy 10 or 20 $1 tickets straight and hit big that way.
For this thread, to me, self-picks are "better" if they hit more winners than quick picks. I don't remember anyone here showing a profit at pick 3 playing QPs. Might be, I just don't remember seeing it. If you run through 11,000 TTT plays and it produces 5,025 winners and then run through the same data choosing at random and get 5,000 winners - for me it proves that self-picks are better. Regardless that there may not be a profit.
Profit comes under money management. Quite a separate thing. If you know you can consistently produce the best possible win percent (SPs) - then you might well be able to work out a money plan to make a profit.
I would hope you wouldn't consider an adventure a waste of your valuable time.
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The federal deficit grew by $164,000,000,000.00 last month. $164 BILLION. I was like: Are they system players? Or are they Quick Piggies? I think they are definitely Quick Piggies! Because they are porking everybody and our futures, so play away..............cause it don't matter no more.
Me loves your money. It's tasty and delicious.
Money is no object.
By JEFF BATER And DARRELL A. HUGHES
The U.S. government spent itself deeper into the red last month, paying nearly $20 billion in interest on debt and an additional $9.8 billion to help unemployed Americans.
Federal spending eclipsed revenue for the 22nd straight time, the Treasury Department said Wednesday. The $165.04 billion deficit, while a bit smaller than the $169.5 billion shortfall expected by economists polled by Dow Jones Newswires, was the second highest for the month on record. The highest was $180.68 billion in July 2009.
The government usually runs a deficit during July, which is the 10th month of the fiscal year. So far in fiscal 2010, the government spent $1.169 trillion more than it made. That figure is about $98 billion lower than during the comparable period a year earlier.
For all of fiscal 2009, the U.S. ran a record $1.42 trillion deficit. Fiscal 2010 might run a little higher—the Obama administration sees $1.47 trillion.
Wednesday's monthly Treasury statement said U.S. government revenues in July totaled $155.55 billion, compared with $151.48 billion in July 2009.
Spending was higher, totaling $320.59 billion. July 2009 spending amounted to $332.16 billion.
Year-to-date revenues were $1.75 trillion, compared with $1.74 trillion in the first 10 months of fiscal 2009. Spending so far in this fiscal year is $2.92 trillion, versus $3.01 trillion in the prior period.
Spending for benefits for the unemployed year to date totaled $121.4 billion; for July, the tab was $9.8 billion, the Treasury statement said.
Years of deficit spending by Washington have led to a mounting national debt. Interest payments so far in fiscal 2010 amount to $185.25 billion; by contrast, corporate taxes collected by the government during the same 10 months were $139.71 billion. Interest payments in July alone were $19.9 billion.
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Quote: Originally posted by jarasan on Aug 11, 2010
The federal deficit grew by $164,000,000,000.00 last month. $164 BILLION. I was like: Are they system players? Or are they Quick Piggies? I think they are definitely Quick Piggies! Because they are porking everybody and our futures, so play away..............cause it don't matter no more.
Me loves your money. It's tasty and delicious.
Money is no object.
By JEFF BATER And DARRELL A. HUGHES
The U.S. government spent itself deeper into the red last month, paying nearly $20 billion in interest on debt and an additional $9.8 billion to help unemployed Americans.
Federal spending eclipsed revenue for the 22nd straight time, the Treasury Department said Wednesday. The $165.04 billion deficit, while a bit smaller than the $169.5 billion shortfall expected by economists polled by Dow Jones Newswires, was the second highest for the month on record. The highest was $180.68 billion in July 2009.
The government usually runs a deficit during July, which is the 10th month of the fiscal year. So far in fiscal 2010, the government spent $1.169 trillion more than it made. That figure is about $98 billion lower than during the comparable period a year earlier.
For all of fiscal 2009, the U.S. ran a record $1.42 trillion deficit. Fiscal 2010 might run a little higher—the Obama administration sees $1.47 trillion.
Wednesday's monthly Treasury statement said U.S. government revenues in July totaled $155.55 billion, compared with $151.48 billion in July 2009.
Spending was higher, totaling $320.59 billion. July 2009 spending amounted to $332.16 billion.
Year-to-date revenues were $1.75 trillion, compared with $1.74 trillion in the first 10 months of fiscal 2009. Spending so far in this fiscal year is $2.92 trillion, versus $3.01 trillion in the prior period.
Spending for benefits for the unemployed year to date totaled $121.4 billion; for July, the tab was $9.8 billion, the Treasury statement said.
Years of deficit spending by Washington have led to a mounting national debt. Interest payments so far in fiscal 2010 amount to $185.25 billion; by contrast, corporate taxes collected by the government during the same 10 months were $139.71 billion. Interest payments in July alone were $19.9 billion.
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jimmy4164,
Stories about players making a living playing the lottery without ever winning a jackpot is just an old urban legend among lottery players. As far as I know, no one have ever claimed they did it but only claimed they heard the story from a buddy or a store clerk.
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Quote: Originally posted by RJOh on Aug 11, 2010
jimmy4164,
Stories about players making a living playing the lottery without ever winning a jackpot is just an old urban legend among lottery players. As far as I know, no one have ever claimed they did it but only claimed they heard the story from a buddy or a store clerk.
Yea, I don’t know difference but I agree. Cointoos is right about Ego and the drive to gamble thinking the next turn of the table will put you on top. Few can do it because they are not disciplined. Anyone who is really professional at gambling has to deal with million dollar networks to protect ‘the owners’. It is hard to be transparent in the modern world and keep a low profile. Urban myths always have a bit of truth to them just like the old Greek myths. What is common is the hero is always bigger than life itself. People eat that Hollywood stuff up. I would venture to say the real pros are much more modest and boring compared to the myth. Sizzle always sells over substance, like Sarah Palin. The trick is to not be greedy, but take small advances.
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Quote: Originally posted by Delta Draw on Aug 11, 2010
Yea, I don’t know difference but I agree. Cointoos is right about Ego and the drive to gamble thinking the next turn of the table will put you on top. Few can do it because they are not disciplined. Anyone who is really professional at gambling has to deal with million dollar networks to protect ‘the owners’. It is hard to be transparent in the modern world and keep a low profile. Urban myths always have a bit of truth to them just like the old Greek myths. What is common is the hero is always bigger than life itself. People eat that Hollywood stuff up. I would venture to say the real pros are much more modest and boring compared to the myth. Sizzle always sells over substance, like Sarah Palin. The trick is to not be greedy, but take small advances.
DD
Given a choice between lies, incompetence, treachery and treason or sizzle... hmmm...
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Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Aug 12, 2010
Given a choice between lies, incompetence, treachery and treason or sizzle... hmmm...
Yep, give me the sizzle anyday.
Then you are a fool.
S.P. has no party affiliation but herself. She is outside of the CFR and is nothing but a means to an end. This is a 2 term presidency by design. You will never understand politics outside of CFR design. Any professor who has earded his sheepskin in politics knows that. Amateurs don't have a clue to what is going on. They are simple lemmings going with the flow, the design: Sheeple.
Less than three months to a major election and the right is divided in many ways. When will 'Duh' be a reality? Too late my friend, too late. S.P. is a Trojan Horse in the consevative fortress. " A house divided against itself will NOT stand." All allowed to happen by design. Watch history repeat itself without flaw!
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Quote: Originally posted by Delta Draw on Aug 12, 2010
Then you are a fool.
S.P. has no party affiliation but herself. She is outside of the CFR and is nothing but a means to an end. This is a 2 term presidency by design. You will never understand politics outside of CFR design. Any professor who has earded his sheepskin in politics knows that. Amateurs don't have a clue to what is going on. They are simple lemmings going with the flow, the design: Sheeple.
Less than three months to a major election and the right is divided in many ways. When will 'Duh' be a reality? Too late my friend, too late. S.P. is a Trojan Horse in the consevative fortress. " A house divided against itself will NOT stand." All allowed to happen by design. Watch history repeat itself without flaw!
DD$
I'd educate you but I've already learned that it would be to no avail. You're a conspiracy theorist/nut whose mind is made up and doesn't want to be confused with facts.
Watch out for those UN Troops now, I hear they're going to invade the Land of Fruits and Nuts.
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Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Aug 12, 2010
I'd educate you but I've already learned that it would be to no avail. You're a conspiracy theorist/nut whose mind is made up and doesn't want to be confused with facts.
Watch out for those UN Troops now, I hear they're going to invade the Land of Fruits and Nuts.
Those Bangladeshis in blue are vicious!
You're wacked in the head.
And had you won you’re appointment to congress, you would be spending your time among grandeur company. You were not maverick enough to make the cut. Sour grapes!Cognitive dissonance.