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Statistically Speaking - QP's and PP's

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you should see my facebook page,  then you would notice i live for the moment too (but within context),  squeezing out ever ounce of fun in life there is left before the dirt nap.

(Yes within the context of your beliefs but you see that doesn't apply too others  I can live for the moment anyway I choose)

 

  i just realize  during that foot on the gas move,  that integrity still has to be my predecessor before i decide "should i do this, or say this" (Yes for YOU but not for everyone else I use other means of deciding what,when or why I SHOULD do something)

 

no ones perfect,  certainly not me,   but if you don't have integrity......no one will believe what you say over time.

 (I'm perfect perfectly created and my behaviour  good and bad is a perfect example of a balanced nature  that's TRUE perfection where everything has an opposite good,bad,rich,poor,stupid,smart,pretty and  ugly and integrity only applies too  those that desire it too be a COMPLETE standard in there life too me it doesn't really matter it's not on the top of  my list and many people  believe me cause I have common sense,intelligence and the ability too use  logic and  reason for the  ones that say otherwise because they feel I lack "integrity" well  they don't matter in my life)

 

words and actions are collective over time,  and the BSers of life come to naught eventually,  no matter how good they are at flinging it intially.i am a finely tuned BS detector it's what i do

(WRONG  many BSers  live a long fruitful life cause  there  good at it and if your  so good  at detecting BS how come  you don't notice  when  it's coming  from you??)


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    wanna bet you lost way more money than i will even spend in the FUTURE playing the lottery.

    and,  that you haven't won more than you have lost over time.

    you kinda forgot about that part of it,  tech

    anyway,  i play for the one time occurance anyway,  not the bits and pieces along that journey.

    i will be interested in your comment when it does happen to me

     

    Well DUH you only wager a $1 so of course I have what does that matter anyway?? why aer you so hung  up on the  losses?? is it because you haven't been able too  win anything lately?? I doubt very seriously that it will happen too you because if your relying on what I think your relying on it doesn't work that way so my comments will be I told you so now of  course  if your way does  finally give you a break then that's great but  you still won't  get no apology from  me or any congrats winning money is done  by many people on  a daily basis  so it's no big deal and  the bits and pieces are fine along the way while  trying  too hit the big one


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      so you deny that you did it on purpose as an intended underhanded swipe?

      the things I say that are OBVIOUS  "YES"  but the other stuff your  guessing on NO!!! see you don't know everything after  all

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        LotteryTechInc,

        "COIN TOSS

        As far as who is insulting who just consider jarasan's last two posts right after yours. (YESbut you and especially viosndude have made negative comments maybe noton the same level as the opposition but the feeling is there on whatyou guys think about self picks)"

        I don't think I've been insulting to anyone, I've basically just quoted statistics. I haven't called system players idiots or any such thing. If guessing that maybe they play too heavy and need somethong or someone to blame it on is insulting, "methinks maybe thou protesteth too much.

        For a lot of what has been said in this thread compalining about the QPs havinf insulted the SPs is about the equivalent of a mugger screaming like a little girl because his intended victim was armed.

        _____________________________________________

        As far as the references to Gail Howard (I think it was DD)

        Evidently the Gail Howard thread was skipped right over. If your guru is the same Gail Howard who quite her commodities broker job to play and peddle lottery information and then dropped the play and focused on peddling information you might want to think about the source.

        How popular were QPs in 1996?

        Since then, how many jackpots have been paid to each type of ticket?

        If some0ne offered you a bet where they payed you $1 for every jackpot paid to a self pick as long as you paid them $1 for every jackpot paid to a QP who do you think would come out ahead on such a bet?

        Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

        Lep

        There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.


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          COIN TOSS

           

          I never said you made any insults  I clearly said negative  comments BIG difference so maybe  you "protest too much"


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            COIN TOSS

            Evidently the Gail Howard thread was skipped right over. If your guru is the same Gail Howard who quite her commodities broker job to play and peddle lottery information and then dropped the play and focused on peddling information you might want to think about the source.

            (When  did I SAY she  was my guru?? I thought I Made it perfectly clear why I use her software in fact I HAVE a lot of software I don't make purchases based on whether the author or developer  uses what he /she creates and when you consider  that  many people have won money using  her stuff as well  as  steve player I don't understand why you make these silly statements what about the source?? I DON'T consult  with her  personally when I play I use HER software and books  too come up with or assist me with my  own strategies,you know your starting too sound like  visiondude "STOP IT" that is all)

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              Read my popst again. The Gail Howard part wasn't directed at you.

              Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

              Lep

              There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.


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                Okay well my comments still stand  because I use her books and software and stand by what she says and does because it HELPS!!!


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                  Okay well my comments still stand  because I use her books and software and stand by what she says and does because it HELPS!!!

                  This is directed at and to Cointoss

                  Why is everyone that has an aftermarket product for Lottery players, suspect of criminal behavior? What are your views on LP Cointoss? Are the paid members getting ripped off? Has the site owner chosen a course in life and business you disagree with? Are his publications suspect of a bad source to fleece the public? Are we being taken advantage of? Did you get ripped off?

                  Why should someone who pioneers a service and product in a niche market, a market solely centered around entertainment have to be approved by you? LP quotes the news every week. It is a Good service and it gives references that you can follow up on. Instead of questioning Gail Howard’s ethics, why don’t you question the sources she quotes?

                  What is wrong with someone changing their preferred method of SELF EMPLOYMENT? You think she hired out for all the programming she did? She is a professional analyst, computer programmer, business woman and trusted source. She may have only worked at jobs like you have had to get through college to improve herself. She’s real smart and smarter in her dumbest moments than you will be brilliant in your best. What are your credentials, copyrights, products and publications?

                  You are not doing the paid members any favors drawing suspicion to the nature of why they are here. You have me becoming suspicious of a site that I enjoy for my entertainment and now am uncertain of motives as to why it exists.

                  I really want to know what you have to say about this aftermarket entertainment product here. Are we being ripped off by less than scrupulous practices? Should we run now while you hold the door open after yelling fire in a crowded theater?

                  Gail Howard did not make that information up and it is relevant and germane to the thread. Was her product too complicated for you to use or did you bet outside of your means and decided it was her fault?

                  Should we trust your evaluation and judgement over our own or known and trusted Reputable sources?

                  DD

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                    LotteryTechInc,

                    "COIN TOSS

                    As far as who is insulting who just consider jarasan's last two posts right after yours. (YESbut you and especially viosndude have made negative comments maybe noton the same level as the opposition but the feeling is there on whatyou guys think about self picks)"

                    I don't think I've been insulting to anyone, I've basically just quoted statistics. I haven't called system players idiots or any such thing. If guessing that maybe they play too heavy and need somethong or someone to blame it on is insulting, "methinks maybe thou protesteth too much.

                    For a lot of what has been said in this thread compalining about the QPs havinf insulted the SPs is about the equivalent of a mugger screaming like a little girl because his intended victim was armed.

                    _____________________________________________

                    As far as the references to Gail Howard (I think it was DD)

                    Evidently the Gail Howard thread was skipped right over. If your guru is the same Gail Howard who quite her commodities broker job to play and peddle lottery information and then dropped the play and focused on peddling information you might want to think about the source.

                    How popular were QPs in 1996?

                    Since then, how many jackpots have been paid to each type of ticket?

                    If some0ne offered you a bet where they payed you $1 for every jackpot paid to a self pick as long as you paid them $1 for every jackpot paid to a QP who do you think would come out ahead on such a bet?

                    Just when I thought it was impossible for this thread to go further off topic, not only a debate about Gail Howard's opinions evolves, but why GH got into the business in the first place.

                    There are very few satisfactory answers as to why QPs or PPs don't outperform the other and that leaves us with people either choosing to play their own numbers, simply buying QPs or both.

                    "I don't think I've been insulting to anyone, I've basically just quoted statistics."

                    The question is based on one statistic, 70% to 80% of the ticket purchased are QPs and 70% to 80% of the winning tickets are QPs. This statistic is based on mathematical probability and over time if 40% of all players put a red star on the right hand corner of their tickets, 40% of all winning tickets would have a red star.

                    The insulting began because some posters don't understand what the statistic purchased QPs means and the insulting has become contagious.

                    "For a lot of what has been said in this thread compalining about the QPs havinf insulted the SPs is about the equivalent of a mugger screaming like a little girl because his intended victim was armed."

                    You're wrong my friend because either bet is personal choice and it's between choosing your numbers and letting the lottery terminal choose them for you. It's no different than having somebody walk up to your crap table and ask you to decide if they should play Pass or Don't Pass?

                    Players can't make a wrong choice purchasing QPs because they don't know or care what numbers they'll get and they're betting the result will favor them.  Systems players are betting on specific results and while that doesn't mean the results will always favor their bets, they believe overall they have better chance of winning and choose to spend THEIR MONEY  on PP; the same as QPs players choose to spend THEIR MONEY

                    As a crap dealer you might understand the odds and know why it's better to make a place bet on a number before the number is rolled, but if the players don't understand the odds or simply don't care, it's THEIR MONEY so let them make their choose how they lose it.

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                      There is a new will and the gospels are old testament and addressed to ISRAELITES"

                      (Actually if we're talking about jewish text it's called Torah not OT they don't refer too it as OT and yes it's only addressed too the isrealites)



                      Jesus Christ spoke those words Himself

                      (Well seeing as how he never actually wrote  down anything  himself we really don't know what he said)

                      gee tech,   for being an UNBELIEVER,  and "complaining"  when people make religious aimed comments,   even making attempts to shut such references down because you don't like them,  you sure are quick to act like your the "expert"  all of a sudden   Green laugh

                       

                      since you don't like "religious discussion" and your an unbeliever,  you can stand in the corner and wait for it to be over with.

                       

                      (1)  you totally missed DD labeling the gospels "O.T",   an obvious he doesn't have any idea what he is talkng about moment

                      (2)  history says we do know what Jesus Christ had to say because of eyewitness testimony ,  penned by people who lived and walked with Him at that time.

                       

                      it sure is easier to commit a crime,  if no one witnessed it

                      before you go down some rediculously meandering road about eyewitness testimony,  and that based on your exclusionary preference,  if you applied intellectual integrity to your position about "not knowing what Christ said",   you would then have to turn around and burn every history book ever penned ........just because you weren't living at that time

                      are you willing to do that?

                      you would have to discount any family tree "facts" about your geneaology,  further back than the ones you "personally know".

                      see how that works?

                                  "i am .........."meant to"       

                      P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

                               until further notice,  it's  france everyday

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                        you should see my facebook page,  then you would notice i live for the moment too (but within context),  squeezing out ever ounce of fun in life there is left before the dirt nap.

                        (Yes within the context of your beliefs but you see that doesn't apply too others  I can live for the moment anyway I choose)

                         

                          i just realize  during that foot on the gas move,  that integrity still has to be my predecessor before i decide "should i do this, or say this" (Yes for YOU but not for everyone else I use other means of deciding what,when or why I SHOULD do something)

                         

                        no ones perfect,  certainly not me,   but if you don't have integrity......no one will believe what you say over time.

                         (I'm perfect perfectly created and my behaviour  good and bad is a perfect example of a balanced nature  that's TRUE perfection where everything has an opposite good,bad,rich,poor,stupid,smart,pretty and  ugly and integrity only applies too  those that desire it too be a COMPLETE standard in there life too me it doesn't really matter it's not on the top of  my list and many people  believe me cause I have common sense,intelligence and the ability too use  logic and  reason for the  ones that say otherwise because they feel I lack "integrity" well  they don't matter in my life)

                         

                        words and actions are collective over time,  and the BSers of life come to naught eventually,  no matter how good they are at flinging it intially.i am a finely tuned BS detector it's what i do

                        (WRONG  many BSers  live a long fruitful life cause  there  good at it and if your  so good  at detecting BS how come  you don't notice  when  it's coming  from you??)

                        in order...

                        (1)nope,  what i stated about my facebook page has nothing to do with my "religious beliefs".    it went over your head obviously

                        (2) nope,  the kind of integrity meter i WAS referring to in this thread vs the claims and subsequent behavior of "some"  is universally applied in every corner of the world sans belief system

                        it goes like this......if you claim something as "fact",  be ready to back it up as to WHY it is "factual" by means that are neccessary to establish said facts".

                        besides a caligula type enviornment,  there isn't a place on the planet were that's not applicable.

                        so in "your world",  you CAN decide to make a "claim" (and not prove it),  but after time goes by, no one will believe you

                        universal integrity doesn't come in the form a slide ruler,  and anyone that treats it as such on the fly isn't going to end up in believabilityland

                        (3) " integrity only applies too  those that desire it too be a COMPLETE standard in there life too me it doesn't really matter it's not on the top of  my list"

                        yeah,   no kidding.   i could tell that was true long time ago.

                        integrity not on the "top"  of your list,  huh?

                        i wonder how that works for a person in relationships and business over the long term?     oh yeah,  "they"  end up alone

                        i suppose you "admire"  the bernie madoff's of life?

                        that quote was an indicator of HOW you choose "truth" in life.    a HUGE indicator.

                        integrity should precede "common sense,intelligence and the ability too use  logic and  reason",    because without integrity prior to,   all that "other stuff"  becomes a meaningless believability wasteland

                        (4) "(WRONG  many BSers  live a long fruitful life cause  there  good at it

                        wow.   that's another gem

                        "fruitful life"

                        you mean like the bernie madoff's in life.

                        i don't know if you know this or not,  but bernies "fruit"  of his labor is fending off would be trophy hunters in prison these days

                        bernie doesn't have enough "BS"  to fend off bubba in the showers Leaving

                        he obviously can't pay bubba off either...

                        bernie is now suffering FROM ........'lackointegritySINdrome'

                                    "i am .........."meant to"       

                        P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

                                 until further notice,  it's  france everyday

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                          wanna bet you lost way more money than i will even spend in the FUTURE playing the lottery.

                          and,  that you haven't won more than you have lost over time.

                          you kinda forgot about that part of it,  tech

                          anyway,  i play for the one time occurance anyway,  not the bits and pieces along that journey.

                          i will be interested in your comment when it does happen to me

                           

                          Well DUH you only wager a $1 so of course I have what does that matter anyway?? why aer you so hung  up on the  losses?? is it because you haven't been able too  win anything lately?? I doubt very seriously that it will happen too you because if your relying on what I think your relying on it doesn't work that way so my comments will be I told you so now of  course  if your way does  finally give you a break then that's great but  you still won't  get no apology from  me or any congrats winning money is done  by many people on  a daily basis  so it's no big deal and  the bits and pieces are fine along the way while  trying  too hit the big one

                          "why aer you so hung  up on the  losses??"

                          im not.

                          what i AM "hung up on" is the truth about a matter,  and "wins vs losses"  is a perfect window into whether or not it "works".

                          i can't speak for anyone else,  but for me =  i am not hoping "you guys" lose,  because i root for people TO succeed in life,  it's just that when there is integrity involved in a matter......i pick the integrity OF that matter,  and my references to your losses vs your claims about it working for you personally,  WAS pertinent.

                          it paints an accurate picture......that it obviously isn't. 

                          so you lose more than i do,  what does that "prove"?

                           

                          " I doubt very seriously that it will happen too you because if your relying on what I think your relying on it doesn't work that way"

                          maybe not for you,   but for me,  and anyone else that applies it to their life  ........... it does.

                          i wouldn't bet against me,  i have never been wrong in this arena of my life.

                          see if you can find out what the over/under is for a 100% track record?

                                      "i am .........."meant to"       

                          P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

                                   until further notice,  it's  france everyday

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                            This is directed at and to Cointoss

                            Why is everyone that has an aftermarket product for Lottery players, suspect of criminal behavior? What are your views on LP Cointoss? Are the paid members getting ripped off? Has the site owner chosen a course in life and business you disagree with? Are his publications suspect of a bad source to fleece the public? Are we being taken advantage of? Did you get ripped off?

                            Why should someone who pioneers a service and product in a niche market, a market solely centered around entertainment have to be approved by you? LP quotes the news every week. It is a Good service and it gives references that you can follow up on. Instead of questioning Gail Howard’s ethics, why don’t you question the sources she quotes?

                            What is wrong with someone changing their preferred method of SELF EMPLOYMENT? You think she hired out for all the programming she did? She is a professional analyst, computer programmer, business woman and trusted source. She may have only worked at jobs like you have had to get through college to improve herself. She’s real smart and smarter in her dumbest moments than you will be brilliant in your best. What are your credentials, copyrights, products and publications?

                            You are not doing the paid members any favors drawing suspicion to the nature of why they are here. You have me becoming suspicious of a site that I enjoy for my entertainment and now am uncertain of motives as to why it exists.

                            I really want to know what you have to say about this aftermarket entertainment product here. Are we being ripped off by less than scrupulous practices? Should we run now while you hold the door open after yelling fire in a crowded theater?

                            Gail Howard did not make that information up and it is relevant and germane to the thread. Was her product too complicated for you to use or did you bet outside of your means and decided it was her fault?

                            Should we trust your evaluation and judgement over our own or known and trusted Reputable sources?

                            DD

                            "You are not doing the paid members any favors drawing suspicion to the nature of why they are here. You have me becoming suspicious of a site that I enjoy for my entertainment and now am uncertain of motives as to why it exists."

                             

                            You're suspicious of this site and uncertain of it's motives based purely on something someone wrote in a post?

                            Whoa, it's easy to see why you're easy prey for every guru, cult and new sensation coming down the pike. No foundational principles or core values.

                            You're basically indecisive and unsure of yourself so you latch onto people vociferously in opposition to your basic nature and adopt their stance. It's not all that uncommon and usually comes with a side of self-loathing.

                            Were it possible though, I'd rather hear what you have to say.


                                                                         
                                                 
                                                                     

                             

                             

                             

                             

                                                                                                                               

                            "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"

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                              so you deny that you did it on purpose as an intended underhanded swipe?

                              the things I say that are OBVIOUS  "YES"  but the other stuff your  guessing on NO!!! see you don't know everything after  all

                              it's not that i hung my life on the fact that you WOULD own it,  and especially after reading your dissertation on sliding scale "integrity",  we really know now "you wouldn't".

                              shoot,  in sliding scale integrity anything goes right?

                              even including not copping to something.

                              that's just part of doing business they say,  and therefore "justifiable"

                              hey tech,  did bernie madoff cop to his dealings?

                                          "i am .........."meant to"       

                              P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

                                       until further notice,  it's  france everyday

                                 
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