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system Definitions (2)

1. Set of detailed methods, procedures, and routines established or formulated to carry out a specific activity, perform a duty, or solve a problem.

2. Organized, purposeful structure regarded as a 'whole' consisting of interrelated and interdependent elements (components, entities, factors, members, parts etc.). These elements continually influence one another (directly or indirectly) to maintain their activity and the existence of the system, in order to achieve the common purpose the 'goal' of the system. All systems have (a) inputs, outputs, and feedback mechanisms, (b) maintain an internal steady-state (called homeostasis) despite a changing external environment, (c) display properties that are peculiar to the whole (called emergent properties) but are not possessed by any of the individual elements, and (d) have boundaries that are usually defined by the system observer. Systems underlie every phenomenon, and are everywhere one looks for them. They are limited only by the observer’s capacity to comprehend the complexity of the observed entity, item or phenomenon. Every system is a part of a larger system, is composed of sub-systems, and shares common properties with other systems that help in transferring understanding and solutions from one system to another. Systems obey rules which cannot be understood by breaking them into parts, and stop functioning (or malfunction) when an element is removed or altered significantly. Together, they provide a coherent and unified way of viewing and interpreting the universe as a meta-system of interlinked wholes, and of organizing our thoughts about the world. Although different types of systems (from a cell to the human body, soap bubbles to galaxies, ant colonies to nations) look so very different on the surface, they have remarkable similarities. At the most basic level, the systems are divided into two categories: (1) Closed systems: theoretical constructs which have solid boundaries and where only the components within the system are assumed to exist in a self-sufficient state. All other influences or variables from outside the system are considered to be non-existent or insignificant for the purpose of the system analysis. (2) Open systems: the 'real world' systems that have permeable boundaries through which they continually exchange energy, material, and information with their external environment the larger system in which they exist. Different systems methodologies (such as systems dynamics and systems thinking) classify systems differently.

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    "VISIONDUD"

     

    tech, how is that "magical" system you bought for $40 doing for you? (It not magical if you want a magical system I would suggest you use your "Special Book" plenty of magical stuff in there)

    you ready to take that thing for a test drive in here yet? (Nope I told you before this has nothing to do with you REMEMBER  your a quick-pick player  not a self-pick player so stick with your own kind.If you wanna test drive his system how about YOU buy it and test it in here since your the one  making  claims that such methods are  a waste of time why not PROVE it yourself instead of being LAZY and asking others to do it for you.If you need the $40 I'll send you a money order other than that I have better things too do then play games in here  with you this ain't ROMPER ROOM there are players that REALLY wanna win some money and not use WISHFUL thinking,waiting for luck too strike or ask for  help from a HIGHER power)

     

    i am going to bait you into playing it in here by appealing to your "ME" ego, because i know you "like to win arguements" (or so you "think" you do), and we aren't exactly "BFF's", so i know you would like to be "the one" that dethrones my voice about "certain" system play, so how about it, is it any good?

    (WRONG I'm too  SMART for you "visionsilly" you should know that by now  we go waaayyy back and you never  got the best of me back then you do remmeber how angry you were at me when you got in trouble on Lottery  Post and took a LEAVE of ABSENCE  the  PM you  sent me where you called me a bully and some other names while  saying "GOD" will have the last word and I haven't seen the last of you.My "ME" ego adheres too  my rules not yours so  stop trying  too use your faith methods on me it won't work and it's not about winning arguments it's about showing  how ridiculous your arguments are and how they cannot stand up too common sense,logic and reason so I don't have too  TRY and  win I just  AUTOMATICALLY win.I'm not in here too dethrown you just  TEAR apart your weak stance on certain things I THINK it's good that your here you PROVIDE the entertainment because no one takes  you seriuously your the comic relief the  court  jester you keep us  entertained while we go about our  business using our INTELLIGENCE too win money and not sit on our butts waiting for it too happen)

     

    or did you get scammed like everyone else? (A person that is a scam victim is due to his or her lack of proper judgement and being very naive and gullible I do not fit  this description so  I DON'T know who you are  referring too)

     

    lets do some integrity rehab right here on LP. go ahead and ask me how my bike riding time was at yosemite yesterday, and don't be selfish

    (I'm not selfish all of the  time it just depends you see I'm a believer that you should use both sides of the coin not just one which is why people of your nature only see  things ONE way and are very closed-minded in your  views in life.As for you bike riding time  why would I care? even if you were family I wouldn't care and I don't need  integrity rehab because I'm not part  of your belief  system so integrity is not an issue for me just for  you why can't you just let people be who they wanna be and  stop trying too bring them over too  your side?? the world would be a dull,boring place if everyone  thought,acted,behaved like  you oh wait 2 billion people  do that already thank  GOD they  haven't taken over  the world too much competition)

    "It not magical if you want a magical system I would suggest you use your "Special Book" plenty of magical stuff in there"

    i know there are tons of people that try and do that these days,  hense all those "prosperity" TV evangelists.

     but no, can't strong arm God to "make it happen".    you are either "meant to",  or you are not

    "(WRONG I'm too  SMART for you "visionsilly" you should know that by now'

    that's pretty funny tech,  i gotta say.     it's important in life to have "self confidence",  and fooling yourself into thinking something is true isn't exactly a good life skill to own.     truth vs fiction. 

    by "smart"  you mean make it up as you go along  creatively "savy"  Green laugh

    "we go waaayyy back and you never  got the best of me back then you do remmeber how angry you were at me when you got in trouble on Lottery  Post and took a LEAVE of ABSENCE  the  PM you  sent me where you called me a bully and some other names while  saying "GOD" will have the last word"

    "never"?    i am hurt by this.   you see,  i would have thought ultimate truth and integrity would have "won"  hands down everytime over make it up as you go along selfish pride.   guess i need to reavaluate my position,  and soften it up so we can be buds.   Wink

     but no,  don't flatter your already inflated ego.  i didn't "leave"  LP because of you.    i left because what was going on was unfair at the time,  because an amalgamation of "you guys"  could say whatever YOU wanted about me,  but when i gave "you guys"  back what you had coming to you,  all of a sudden i was the "bad guy".   did i say a couple things out of anger i shouldn't have said?  yes.    but the hypocrisy of me defending my position while "you guys"  had free reign allowed me to reavaluate my efforts in here,  and i only left because i was wasting my time.   it's important in life that when you recognize you are wasting it,  that you "spend it"  elsewhere.    that's exactly what i did

    (1)  if i called you a name,  it was because that designation was true.  i don't say something on that level unless it is true.   you work to silence/intimidate people about making specific references to Christ (hence the "bully" comment),  and i don't allow that to happen without recourse.

    (2) God will have the "last word" (if He exists,  as MOST people believe He does),  so of course i stand behind that statement 100%

    "My "ME" ego adheres too  my rules not yours so  stop trying  too use your faith methods on me it won't work"

    i made it perfectly clear that universal integrity,  and therefore the "ME ME ME"  selfishness you displayed for all to see here at LP is a universal code of "integrity".  i made it also perfectly clear that definition is completely outside of my "faith based stance".   trouble is,  you can't rectify it in your own life,  and so you attempt to blame me,  by dragging my "faith"  back into the equation.    your life choices are universal,  and outside of me

    " it's about showing  how ridiculous your arguments are and how they cannot stand up too common sense,logic and reason so I don't have too  TRY and  win I just  AUTOMATICALLY win"

    oh,  you mean about how systems "really work",  but being unwilling to back it up by actually demonstrating it.    i get it now

    you are on automatic pilot,  that i will agree with

    "while we go about our  business using our INTELLIGENCE too win money and not sit on our butts waiting for it too happen"

    initially that sounds good,  until one realizes there are things that are noble in chasing,  and things that make a person sound rediculous WHILE chasing.

    thanks to your own self-admissions in here,   we all know how "intelligent" (successful)   you are about your "efforts".

    your "intelligence"  really means you lost MORE money than i have in the time vs efforts game.  good job,  tech

    ".As for you bike riding time  why would I care?

    it was a joke to demonstrate your selfishness in life.   it was obviously effective,  because it fly right over your head

    **********************************************************************************************

    "even if you were family I wouldn't care"

    don't i already know that,  having dealt with your "collective"  reasoning for a LONG time.

    you wanna try and guess why i highlighted your above statement with a different color?

    **********************************************************************************************

    look tech,  this is a bit rediculous,  and so 3rd grade.   

     take your "grieveances"  with me off the boards and into PMland,  because your ego obviously wants to stretch it's wishful thinking legs,  and taking up space on this thread is a waste of time.   OTHER PEOPLES TIME.

    you obviously have too much "free time"  on your hands...

    VISION

                "i am .........."meant to"       

    P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

             until further notice,  it's  france everyday

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      system Definitions (2)

      1. Set of detailed methods, procedures, and routines established or formulated to carry out a specific activity, perform a duty, or solve a problem.

      2. Organized, purposeful structure regarded as a 'whole' consisting of interrelated and interdependent elements (components, entities, factors, members, parts etc.). These elements continually influence one another (directly or indirectly) to maintain their activity and the existence of the system, in order to achieve the common purpose the 'goal' of the system. All systems have (a) inputs, outputs, and feedback mechanisms, (b) maintain an internal steady-state (called homeostasis) despite a changing external environment, (c) display properties that are peculiar to the whole (called emergent properties) but are not possessed by any of the individual elements, and (d) have boundaries that are usually defined by the system observer. Systems underlie every phenomenon, and are everywhere one looks for them. They are limited only by the observer’s capacity to comprehend the complexity of the observed entity, item or phenomenon. Every system is a part of a larger system, is composed of sub-systems, and shares common properties with other systems that help in transferring understanding and solutions from one system to another. Systems obey rules which cannot be understood by breaking them into parts, and stop functioning (or malfunction) when an element is removed or altered significantly. Together, they provide a coherent and unified way of viewing and interpreting the universe as a meta-system of interlinked wholes, and of organizing our thoughts about the world. Although different types of systems (from a cell to the human body, soap bubbles to galaxies, ant colonies to nations) look so very different on the surface, they have remarkable similarities. At the most basic level, the systems are divided into two categories: (1) Closed systems: theoretical constructs which have solid boundaries and where only the components within the system are assumed to exist in a self-sufficient state. All other influences or variables from outside the system are considered to be non-existent or insignificant for the purpose of the system analysis. (2) Open systems: the 'real world' systems that have permeable boundaries through which they continually exchange energy, material, and information with their external environment the larger system in which they exist. Different systems methodologies (such as systems dynamics and systems thinking) classify systems differently.

      four,  thanks for the detailed description of what a "system"  is,   but i already ballpark - kinda - sorta knew that.

       

      the trouble is,   everyone benefits more from a visual learning experience,  and that's why i have pushed for demonstrative proof over "explanation".

      ergo we have 60+pages of "explanation",   but zero visual proof.

      extracted out further......................>     8 years of zero visual proof.

      and that's just my personal experience of observation vs "proof",   not to mention since march 12, 1964

       

      "system proof"   has a very bad track record,   and should be issued a ticket by the integrity police.

      the universal kind...

                  "i am .........."meant to"       

      P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

               until further notice,  it's  france everyday


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        four,  thanks for the detailed description of what a "system"  is,   but i already ballpark - kinda - sorta knew that.

         

        the trouble is,   everyone benefits more from a visual learning experience,  and that's why i have pushed for demonstrative proof over "explanation".

        ergo we have 60+pages of "explanation",   but zero visual proof.

        extracted out further......................>     8 years of zero visual proof.

        and that's just my personal experience of observation vs "proof",   not to mention since march 12, 1964

         

        "system proof"   has a very bad track record,   and should be issued a ticket by the integrity police.

        the universal kind...

        VisionDude,

        I too am trying to get someone to declare their confidence in a system by providing a system specification that I can Backtest to prove or disprove its eficacy.  I also want them to ASSERT, up front, that they believe it will turn a profit over many years.  However, I'm running into what appear to be road blocks.  In this post, possibly the most important component of the "System" is about as vague as it can be.  I'm trying to get a clear and complete specification of this system so that I can program it and turn it loose on my large PA Pick-3 database.  The posts leading up to this one are interesting too.

        Any ideas?

        http://www.lotterypost.com/thread/207517/1743566

        --Jimmy4164


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          "VISIONDUD"

          i know there are tons of people that try and do that these days, hense all those "prosperity" TV evangelists.but no, can't strong arm God to "make it happen". you are either "meant to", or you are not (GOD has  nothing to do with it)

           

          that's pretty funny tech, i gotta say. it's important in life to have "self confidence", and fooling yourself into thinking something is true isn't exactly a good life skill to own. truth vs fiction. by "smart" you mean make it up as you go along creatively "savy"  (yeah that's what your  people do  fool themselves  into thinking there way is  the right and only way  and make up stuff too try and prove it's valid)

           

          never"? i am hurt by this. you see, i would have thought ultimate truth and integrity would have "won" hands down everytime over make it up as you go along selfish pride. guess i need to reavaluate my position, and soften it up so we can be buds. (INTERGRIY is your thing when are you gonna realise the world does not revolve  around  your vision of how you THINK it should be and no need  for us too be buds I like  things the way they are)

           

          but no, don't flatter your already inflated ego. i didn't "leave" LP because of you. i left because what was going on was unfair at the time, because an amalgamation of "you guys" could say whatever YOU wanted about me, but when i gave "you guys" back what you had coming to you, all of a sudden i was the "bad guy". did i say a couple things out of anger i shouldn't have said? yes. but the hypocrisy of me defending my position while "you guys" had free reign allowed me to reavaluate my efforts in here, and i only left because i was wasting my time. it's important in life that when you recognize you are wasting it, that you "spend it" elsewhere. that's exactly what i did

          (I NEVER said you left because of me did I ??? "NOPE"!! I  remember perfectly well why you  left and it wasn't unfair  because YOU KNOW WHO got involved  so how could it  have been unfair?? he  made the call for you too CHILL out what you were  doing was UNFAIR so let's be  straight about what happened.And you know everyone  went back and forth  with you back then like what's going on now but you were OUT OF LINE with a specific individual  that wasn't even corresponding with you  SHE purposely avoided it because she knew her way of life  was at odds  with your beliefs and you WENT out of your way too voice  your opposition which lead  too  your being reprimanded at which point you got MAD and left saying you were unfairly singled out but in fact that was not the case)

           

          (1) if i called you a name, it was because that designation was true. i don't say something on that level unless it is true. you work to silence/intimidate people about making specific references to Christ (hence the "bully" comment), and i don't allow that to happen without recourse. (WRONG I never said you couldn't speak I just say that what you post is mostly RIDICULOUS)

          (2) God will have the "last word" (if He exists, as MOST people believe He does), so of course i stand behind that statement 100% (WRONG no ones  GOD will have the  last word MAN will have the last word it's our  planet and we obviosly do what we want here despite  all the special  groups claiming  exclusivity,authority and  truth.)

           

          i made it perfectly clear that universal integrity, and therefore the "ME ME ME" selfishness you displayed for all to see here at LP is a universal code of "integrity". i made it also perfectly clear that definition is completely outside of my "faith based stance". trouble is, you can't rectify it in your own life, and so you attempt to blame me, by dragging my "faith" back into the equation. your life choices are universal, and outside of me (WRONG there is no  universal code you didn't create the universe  so your special code  only exist with you and how you live your life it does not apply too everyone and no matter  what you say it's obvious your definition is INSIDE your faith based  beliefs that's  what other people like you say about integrity and truth  that others  have too adhere  too  it based on what you believe it  is but that's  not how things work in the real  world.I'm not blaming you about anything I'M JUST letting you know your beliefs  don't  run the show in this world everyone get's a shot not  just certain groups)

           

          oh, you mean about how systems "really work", but being unwilling to back it up by actually demonstrating it. i get it now you are on automatic pilot, that i will agree with  (They work for  me sorry if your way doesn't work for you not my problem)

           

          initially that sounds good, until one realizes there are things that are noble in chasing, and things that make a person sound rediculous WHILE chasing. (Anything that a person feels is worth  chasing is NOBLE it's not up too a particular group of people too  determine  that for everyone if a person feels it's noble too chase women  that's there  right  if  a person feels that it's noble too try and  chase away poverty then that's there  right no ones view is better or less than  anyone eleses but  you do have  the right  too criticise,put it down but never think for a moment that your way is  the right  and only  logical way too live  cause your gonna be wrong every time)

           

          thanks to your own self-admissions in here, we all know how "intelligent" (successful) you are about your "efforts".your "intelligence" really means you lost MORE money than i have in the time vs efforts game. good job, tech

          (My intelligence  is not based on wins and  losses that's not how it works my intelligence  is based on the fact that I chose too  pursue the  winnings using my BRAIN  instead of  waiting on  them too  fall in my lap "FATE,HIGHER POWER,GOOD LUCK CHARM" these methods don't  require intelligence)

           

          it was a joke to demonstrate your selfishness in life. it was obviously effective, because it fly right over your head

          (DUDE that was obvious I know what you meant I was just being sarcastic see you can't get the best of me no matter  how hard you try your  always  gonna fail)

           

          look tech, this is a bit rediculous, and so 3rd grade. (Really?? after 50 something pages your gonna tell me this is childish but yet you continue too go at it with me?? so what  does that say about you?? I personally think it's fun not childish)

           

          take your "grieveances" with me off the boards and into PMland, because your ego obviously wants to stretch it's wishful thinking legs, and taking up space on this thread is a waste of time. OTHER PEOPLES TIME. you obviously have too much "free time" on your hands...  (I  do so why won't you be honest?? certain things I PM you other  things I post in here and you know it if it's such a waste of time then why do you respond?? and the  only people complaining is YOU!!! NO one has said too me I'm wasting  there time are  you speaking for everyone?? why would you do that?? did they ask you  to??  I have free time when I'm off  work and on the computer doing the  lottery thing you gotta problem with that?? seems too me you have  just as much free  time as the others  in the forum that participate  so why don't you let them know  this okay??)

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            "VISIONDUD"

            i know there are tons of people that try and do that these days, hense all those "prosperity" TV evangelists.but no, can't strong arm God to "make it happen". you are either "meant to", or you are not (GOD has  nothing to do with it)

             

            that's pretty funny tech, i gotta say. it's important in life to have "self confidence", and fooling yourself into thinking something is true isn't exactly a good life skill to own. truth vs fiction. by "smart" you mean make it up as you go along creatively "savy"  (yeah that's what your  people do  fool themselves  into thinking there way is  the right and only way  and make up stuff too try and prove it's valid)

             

            never"? i am hurt by this. you see, i would have thought ultimate truth and integrity would have "won" hands down everytime over make it up as you go along selfish pride. guess i need to reavaluate my position, and soften it up so we can be buds. (INTERGRIY is your thing when are you gonna realise the world does not revolve  around  your vision of how you THINK it should be and no need  for us too be buds I like  things the way they are)

             

            but no, don't flatter your already inflated ego. i didn't "leave" LP because of you. i left because what was going on was unfair at the time, because an amalgamation of "you guys" could say whatever YOU wanted about me, but when i gave "you guys" back what you had coming to you, all of a sudden i was the "bad guy". did i say a couple things out of anger i shouldn't have said? yes. but the hypocrisy of me defending my position while "you guys" had free reign allowed me to reavaluate my efforts in here, and i only left because i was wasting my time. it's important in life that when you recognize you are wasting it, that you "spend it" elsewhere. that's exactly what i did

            (I NEVER said you left because of me did I ??? "NOPE"!! I  remember perfectly well why you  left and it wasn't unfair  because YOU KNOW WHO got involved  so how could it  have been unfair?? he  made the call for you too CHILL out what you were  doing was UNFAIR so let's be  straight about what happened.And you know everyone  went back and forth  with you back then like what's going on now but you were OUT OF LINE with a specific individual  that wasn't even corresponding with you  SHE purposely avoided it because she knew her way of life  was at odds  with your beliefs and you WENT out of your way too voice  your opposition which lead  too  your being reprimanded at which point you got MAD and left saying you were unfairly singled out but in fact that was not the case)

             

            (1) if i called you a name, it was because that designation was true. i don't say something on that level unless it is true. you work to silence/intimidate people about making specific references to Christ (hence the "bully" comment), and i don't allow that to happen without recourse. (WRONG I never said you couldn't speak I just say that what you post is mostly RIDICULOUS)

            (2) God will have the "last word" (if He exists, as MOST people believe He does), so of course i stand behind that statement 100% (WRONG no ones  GOD will have the  last word MAN will have the last word it's our  planet and we obviosly do what we want here despite  all the special  groups claiming  exclusivity,authority and  truth.)

             

            i made it perfectly clear that universal integrity, and therefore the "ME ME ME" selfishness you displayed for all to see here at LP is a universal code of "integrity". i made it also perfectly clear that definition is completely outside of my "faith based stance". trouble is, you can't rectify it in your own life, and so you attempt to blame me, by dragging my "faith" back into the equation. your life choices are universal, and outside of me (WRONG there is no  universal code you didn't create the universe  so your special code  only exist with you and how you live your life it does not apply too everyone and no matter  what you say it's obvious your definition is INSIDE your faith based  beliefs that's  what other people like you say about integrity and truth  that others  have too adhere  too  it based on what you believe it  is but that's  not how things work in the real  world.I'm not blaming you about anything I'M JUST letting you know your beliefs  don't  run the show in this world everyone get's a shot not  just certain groups)

             

            oh, you mean about how systems "really work", but being unwilling to back it up by actually demonstrating it. i get it now you are on automatic pilot, that i will agree with  (They work for  me sorry if your way doesn't work for you not my problem)

             

            initially that sounds good, until one realizes there are things that are noble in chasing, and things that make a person sound rediculous WHILE chasing. (Anything that a person feels is worth  chasing is NOBLE it's not up too a particular group of people too  determine  that for everyone if a person feels it's noble too chase women  that's there  right  if  a person feels that it's noble too try and  chase away poverty then that's there  right no ones view is better or less than  anyone eleses but  you do have  the right  too criticise,put it down but never think for a moment that your way is  the right  and only  logical way too live  cause your gonna be wrong every time)

             

            thanks to your own self-admissions in here, we all know how "intelligent" (successful) you are about your "efforts".your "intelligence" really means you lost MORE money than i have in the time vs efforts game. good job, tech

            (My intelligence  is not based on wins and  losses that's not how it works my intelligence  is based on the fact that I chose too  pursue the  winnings using my BRAIN  instead of  waiting on  them too  fall in my lap "FATE,HIGHER POWER,GOOD LUCK CHARM" these methods don't  require intelligence)

             

            it was a joke to demonstrate your selfishness in life. it was obviously effective, because it fly right over your head

            (DUDE that was obvious I know what you meant I was just being sarcastic see you can't get the best of me no matter  how hard you try your  always  gonna fail)

             

            look tech, this is a bit rediculous, and so 3rd grade. (Really?? after 50 something pages your gonna tell me this is childish but yet you continue too go at it with me?? so what  does that say about you?? I personally think it's fun not childish)

             

            take your "grieveances" with me off the boards and into PMland, because your ego obviously wants to stretch it's wishful thinking legs, and taking up space on this thread is a waste of time. OTHER PEOPLES TIME. you obviously have too much "free time" on your hands...  (I  do so why won't you be honest?? certain things I PM you other  things I post in here and you know it if it's such a waste of time then why do you respond?? and the  only people complaining is YOU!!! NO one has said too me I'm wasting  there time are  you speaking for everyone?? why would you do that?? did they ask you  to??  I have free time when I'm off  work and on the computer doing the  lottery thing you gotta problem with that?? seems too me you have  just as much free  time as the others  in the forum that participate  so why don't you let them know  this okay??)

            since you "publically" went there,  and included UNfactual information,  i will set the record straight later when i have the actual time to devote to it.

            VISION

                        "i am .........."meant to"       

            P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

                     until further notice,  it's  france everyday

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              VisionDude,

              I too am trying to get someone to declare their confidence in a system by providing a system specification that I can Backtest to prove or disprove its eficacy.  I also want them to ASSERT, up front, that they believe it will turn a profit over many years.  However, I'm running into what appear to be road blocks.  In this post, possibly the most important component of the "System" is about as vague as it can be.  I'm trying to get a clear and complete specification of this system so that I can program it and turn it loose on my large PA Pick-3 database.  The posts leading up to this one are interesting too.

              Any ideas?

              http://www.lotterypost.com/thread/207517/1743566

              --Jimmy4164

              i do have a comment on your "any ideas"  question......

              and that is you are by and large not going to find what you are investigating,  in here. 

              look at this thread.   60+ pages of "unwillingness"   vs comparison to their own claims

              if someone actaully had something to showcase and silence my voice about it,  "they"  would have done it A long time ago.

              here is my advice,  advice i follow personally that is effective,  and that is you replicate truth when the situation calls for it,  and you cannot worry if the "other side of it"   comes to the integrity truth table, or not.

              that's not the point.

              the point is,  you do and say the right thing,  even if you are the only one in the room,  and then you walk away from it

              integrity is on sale these days for a cheap price,  and finding people who are actually interested in adhereing to it's hard and fast,  black and white qualities -  is becoming increasingly harder TO find.

              that's the point where you and i become more "focused"........to do and say......."the right thing"

              if you think it's right jimmy,  keep doing it.

              it doesn't matter if you get any "takers",  it just reveals their true hand

              VISION

                          "i am .........."meant to"       

              P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

                       until further notice,  it's  france everyday


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                It  is  FACT I was there I know the female that was   involved  "PERSONALLY" so  I  don't know  what the  heck your talking about!!!

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                  Couldn't the whole Quick Pick / Player Pick (System) controversy be solved with statistics?

                   

                  According to the latest back and forth:

                  Quick Picks account for 70% of the tickets sold and 70% of the winning tickets.

                  Player Picks account for 30% of the tickets sold and 30% of the winning tickets.

                  That outcome would be and is in accordance with the odds.

                   

                  My question then is this:

                  If one method of play is better, wouldn't it's winning percentage fare better than it's sales percentage?

                  For instance, if Player Picks are better, shouldn't they garner maybe 35 to 40% of the winners while only accounting for 30% of the sales?

                   

                  If neither method  beats the odds of winning percentage vs. sales percentage, how is one better than the other? 

                  As it stands now, if the percentages are correct, Player Picks win at the same dumb luck rate as Quick Picks

                   

                  It would seem to me that in order to have a definitive answer, one would have to find a little edge, a little bulge in the percentage of wins vs. sales on a consistent basis to prove the superiority of one style of play over the other.

                   

                  Or am I nuts?

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                    Okay this is really silly!!! if system play works  for  other  people in here then what's the  problem??? why should they have too prove anything?? THEY WON money that's the whole point of gambling  all  of  this intergrity,truth,proof stuff has NO place  in gambling if you  think system  play is a waste  of time FINE  don't use it but don't try and discourage others from doing so  with your  BIASED input.I think  QUICK-PICKS  are a waste of time but I'm not in here being negative  about it or telling players  don't waste there money  cause they don't work whatever method a player wants too use  GO for it doesn't  matter what other people  think only  the losers  have some negative too say about it anyway.

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                      Okay this is really silly!!! if system play works  for  other  people in here then what's the  problem??? why should they have too prove anything?? THEY WON money that's the whole point of gambling  all  of  this intergrity,truth,proof stuff has NO place  in gambling if you  think system  play is a waste  of time FINE  don't use it but don't try and discourage others from doing so  with your  BIASED input.I think  QUICK-PICKS  are a waste of time but I'm not in here being negative  about it or telling players  don't waste there money  cause they don't work whatever method a player wants too use  GO for it doesn't  matter what other people  think only  the losers  have some negative too say about it anyway.

                      in case your memory went totally south,  the discussion here was about statistically qualifying PP's vs QP's,  and part of that discussing was "systematically"  dissecting whether or not PP's could garner an "edge"  over QP's. 

                      a stance you personally made.

                      so,  in the world of qualification,  when someone sticks their neck out statement wise,  the integrity of that statement must be varified in order for it to pass the believability test.

                      the "believeability"  part is what we were all after in here,  except the "you guys"  crowd. 

                      the "you guys"  crowd thinks they are arrogant enough to make a statement like that,  and walk away from it,  and not have to "prove it"

                      you can.   but then you fail the believeability test from the starting gate.   

                      unfortunately for "you guys",  no one was willing to back up their statements,  and so all we have to show for it is a 60pages of back and forth / he said she said debacle.

                      interesting to note,  i was the only one willing to prove "my stance"  on a protracted out basis,  the only basis that would decide what really is true in this debate.

                      like i said,  there is a HUGE dicotomy of difference when a person says "i think it works.  i am gonna test drive it and see".....and the guy who not only demands "it works",   but calls you names because you have the nerve to ask him to demonstrate that it actually does.........and then screams and yells "FOUL"........when he doesn't.

                      or integrity worse.........blames someone else for not doing so

                                  "i am .........."meant to"       

                      P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

                               until further notice,  it's  france everyday

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                        "VISIONDUD"

                        i know there are tons of people that try and do that these days, hense all those "prosperity" TV evangelists.but no, can't strong arm God to "make it happen". you are either "meant to", or you are not (GOD has  nothing to do with it)

                         

                        that's pretty funny tech, i gotta say. it's important in life to have "self confidence", and fooling yourself into thinking something is true isn't exactly a good life skill to own. truth vs fiction. by "smart" you mean make it up as you go along creatively "savy"  (yeah that's what your  people do  fool themselves  into thinking there way is  the right and only way  and make up stuff too try and prove it's valid)

                         

                        never"? i am hurt by this. you see, i would have thought ultimate truth and integrity would have "won" hands down everytime over make it up as you go along selfish pride. guess i need to reavaluate my position, and soften it up so we can be buds. (INTERGRIY is your thing when are you gonna realise the world does not revolve  around  your vision of how you THINK it should be and no need  for us too be buds I like  things the way they are)

                         

                        but no, don't flatter your already inflated ego. i didn't "leave" LP because of you. i left because what was going on was unfair at the time, because an amalgamation of "you guys" could say whatever YOU wanted about me, but when i gave "you guys" back what you had coming to you, all of a sudden i was the "bad guy". did i say a couple things out of anger i shouldn't have said? yes. but the hypocrisy of me defending my position while "you guys" had free reign allowed me to reavaluate my efforts in here, and i only left because i was wasting my time. it's important in life that when you recognize you are wasting it, that you "spend it" elsewhere. that's exactly what i did

                        (I NEVER said you left because of me did I ??? "NOPE"!! I  remember perfectly well why you  left and it wasn't unfair  because YOU KNOW WHO got involved  so how could it  have been unfair?? he  made the call for you too CHILL out what you were  doing was UNFAIR so let's be  straight about what happened.And you know everyone  went back and forth  with you back then like what's going on now but you were OUT OF LINE with a specific individual  that wasn't even corresponding with you  SHE purposely avoided it because she knew her way of life  was at odds  with your beliefs and you WENT out of your way too voice  your opposition which lead  too  your being reprimanded at which point you got MAD and left saying you were unfairly singled out but in fact that was not the case)

                         

                        (1) if i called you a name, it was because that designation was true. i don't say something on that level unless it is true. you work to silence/intimidate people about making specific references to Christ (hence the "bully" comment), and i don't allow that to happen without recourse. (WRONG I never said you couldn't speak I just say that what you post is mostly RIDICULOUS)

                        (2) God will have the "last word" (if He exists, as MOST people believe He does), so of course i stand behind that statement 100% (WRONG no ones  GOD will have the  last word MAN will have the last word it's our  planet and we obviosly do what we want here despite  all the special  groups claiming  exclusivity,authority and  truth.)

                         

                        i made it perfectly clear that universal integrity, and therefore the "ME ME ME" selfishness you displayed for all to see here at LP is a universal code of "integrity". i made it also perfectly clear that definition is completely outside of my "faith based stance". trouble is, you can't rectify it in your own life, and so you attempt to blame me, by dragging my "faith" back into the equation. your life choices are universal, and outside of me (WRONG there is no  universal code you didn't create the universe  so your special code  only exist with you and how you live your life it does not apply too everyone and no matter  what you say it's obvious your definition is INSIDE your faith based  beliefs that's  what other people like you say about integrity and truth  that others  have too adhere  too  it based on what you believe it  is but that's  not how things work in the real  world.I'm not blaming you about anything I'M JUST letting you know your beliefs  don't  run the show in this world everyone get's a shot not  just certain groups)

                         

                        oh, you mean about how systems "really work", but being unwilling to back it up by actually demonstrating it. i get it now you are on automatic pilot, that i will agree with  (They work for  me sorry if your way doesn't work for you not my problem)

                         

                        initially that sounds good, until one realizes there are things that are noble in chasing, and things that make a person sound rediculous WHILE chasing. (Anything that a person feels is worth  chasing is NOBLE it's not up too a particular group of people too  determine  that for everyone if a person feels it's noble too chase women  that's there  right  if  a person feels that it's noble too try and  chase away poverty then that's there  right no ones view is better or less than  anyone eleses but  you do have  the right  too criticise,put it down but never think for a moment that your way is  the right  and only  logical way too live  cause your gonna be wrong every time)

                         

                        thanks to your own self-admissions in here, we all know how "intelligent" (successful) you are about your "efforts".your "intelligence" really means you lost MORE money than i have in the time vs efforts game. good job, tech

                        (My intelligence  is not based on wins and  losses that's not how it works my intelligence  is based on the fact that I chose too  pursue the  winnings using my BRAIN  instead of  waiting on  them too  fall in my lap "FATE,HIGHER POWER,GOOD LUCK CHARM" these methods don't  require intelligence)

                         

                        it was a joke to demonstrate your selfishness in life. it was obviously effective, because it fly right over your head

                        (DUDE that was obvious I know what you meant I was just being sarcastic see you can't get the best of me no matter  how hard you try your  always  gonna fail)

                         

                        look tech, this is a bit rediculous, and so 3rd grade. (Really?? after 50 something pages your gonna tell me this is childish but yet you continue too go at it with me?? so what  does that say about you?? I personally think it's fun not childish)

                         

                        take your "grieveances" with me off the boards and into PMland, because your ego obviously wants to stretch it's wishful thinking legs, and taking up space on this thread is a waste of time. OTHER PEOPLES TIME. you obviously have too much "free time" on your hands...  (I  do so why won't you be honest?? certain things I PM you other  things I post in here and you know it if it's such a waste of time then why do you respond?? and the  only people complaining is YOU!!! NO one has said too me I'm wasting  there time are  you speaking for everyone?? why would you do that?? did they ask you  to??  I have free time when I'm off  work and on the computer doing the  lottery thing you gotta problem with that?? seems too me you have  just as much free  time as the others  in the forum that participate  so why don't you let them know  this okay??)

                        to the meat and potato's first...

                        " I  remember perfectly well why you  left and it wasn't unfair  because YOU KNOW WHO got involved  so how could it  have been unfair?? he  made the call for you too CHILL out what you were  doing was UNFAIR so let's be  straight about what happened.And you know everyone  went back and forth  with you back then like what's going on now but you were OUT OF LINE with a specific individual  that wasn't even corresponding with you  SHE purposely avoided it because she knew her way of life  was at odds  with your beliefs and you WENT out of your way too voice  your opposition which lead  too  your being reprimanded at which point you got MAD and left saying you were unfairly singled out but in fact that was not the case)

                        it was the case,  about the atmosphere being "unfair" at that time

                         yes,  i got "too mad"  at the individual you are referring to,  and said something i shouldn't have said,  but that's only half the story.  the "other half"  you conveinetly left out.    so i will be happy to fill in the blanks for you...

                        just like you attempt to do in these threads,  said "individual"  always attempted to silence my voice about my stance on Jesus Christ - just because "said individual"  didn't like it.   it's what people like you do,  you play these games in order to strip away an opposing opinion because you don't like it,  and a person like me isn't going to put up with that,  so i "defended myself"  against the likes of you and "said person",  and every other person making that 'attempt'.

                        no one is going to intimidate me  into a "softer"  version of what i believe is right,  and thousands of others believe on this board is right - about God being involved in a lottery "win"

                          because all this stuff is archived........anyone can read it,  and i FULLY invite them TO read it.

                        now,  the "part you left out".........during my time here at LP i have "shared"   my non wavering opinion about how God works within the framework of lottery pursuit,  and because i hold to a narrow view,  i get blasted for it.

                        good by me,  because i stick my neck out,  and so dectractor avenue is part of doing biz.   no problema

                        what was hypocritical,  is that you guys could ream me with whatever you wanted to say,  including calling me names,  and up to saying nasty stuff about my family without recourse,  but then i say one thing "out of line" (which it was),  and all of a sudden i am the "bad guy".

                        (1)  i wasn't going to put up with that.  i will own my stuff,   but if you come at me (which was fair),  do it to everyone else that pulled nastier stuff on me,  than i ever did on them.

                        (2)  i don't "leave"  anything,  unless i realize it's a waste of time,   or that 'season"  i was supposed to be involved was over.  it was a combination of both.

                        (3)  there isn't ever going to come a time where i will be intimidated by people like you,  just because you don't like my view on God.     i don't subscribe to door mat Christianity,  and you are used to bullying people into silence.   that isn't possible with me

                        i left,   because you guys had free reign to say whatever you wanted,   and that was not cool

                                    "i am .........."meant to"       

                        P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

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                          blah,blah,blah,blah,blah,blah

                           

                          and part of that discussing was "systematically"  dissecting whether or not PP's could garner an "edge"  over QP's. 

                          a stance you personally made. (I never made such a statement all I said was system play gave ME an edge over quick-picks I never said it would for EVERYONE once  again you don't pay attention and talk out of  your butt)

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                            OKAY let's stay on subject here a few  quick references  are fine but  we don't want this too become a full blown religious debate this isn't the forum for it so let's move  on back too the original topic of discussion and  the subtle attacks that were going  on between QP's and PP's I LIKE that better  than discussing "THIS  STUFF" unless it's in private SOMETIMES  certain members get CARRIED  away with it

                            just so people don't think i make this stuff up,  and i back up what i say,  here is one of your "excerpts"  about an attempted "shutdown"  -  just because you don't like it. 

                            maybe i can repost all the things you said ABOUT God when you wanted to.   that was apparently a-ok then.   Puke

                             

                             

                            your above post was on  August 13, 2010, 4:05 pm - IP Logged,  on page 58

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                            P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

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                              (3)  there isn't ever going to come a time where i will be intimidated by people like you,  just because you don't like my view on God.  (Well the problem is you  want everyone too accept your view on GOD as absolute truth  that's what your faith is about "they alone have  the truth and everyone  elses view is wrong" but that's not how things work in the real world NO one has a copyright too the  name of GOD  or  JESUS so we are allowed to have any view we want)

                                 
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