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You say I overwhelmed you with too many subjects. OK, let's start with the most basic fundamental DUH!...How can the universe only be a few thousand years old, when light from distant galaxies reaching our eyes took billions of years?

Unless you can answer that most basic question, with a reasonable logically sound explanation, there is no way to continue.

You have to crawl before you can walk.

Can you answer it in a concise and succint fashion without evading the issue with long diatribes?

My answer is a resounding NO.....!!!

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    3 strikes and you're out.

    Can't answer a simple question.

    Sorry dudeVision....You had your chance.

    your not a real man,  joker.

    your an aptly self named hit and run artist that can't ever finish what YOU start.

    go ahead and reside in make believe land of perpetual perceived victory real estate.

    anyone that actually HAS integrity,  that doesn't pick "people"  over "truth",   knows exactly the garbage you pulled in here.

    you started it,  and now once again your attempting to blame me for not finishing it

     

    your behavior is what's repeatable and predictable,  only it NEVER ends up in the "payoff column"

     

    you are nothing more than the incarnation / combination of brett favre,  and the serial integrity spillage version of mr magoo of LP

    you can't do what you say you are going to do,  and you "hit and run"  without conscience,  and act like you didn't "hit anything",  or don't care

     i take that back,  and i owe mr magoo an apology.   he was ignorant,  where you know exactly what you ARE doing

    grow a conscience joker.   your on your last leg of being able to even stand yourself.

    self loathing,  and taking it out on others "for sport"  isn't a virtue

    IT'S HEINOUS

                "i am .........."meant to"       

    P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

             until further notice,  it's  france everyday


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      Praise be upon you,  self pickie! May blessings of self pickedness humble and luck us all up in that thing you do so good.

         OHHHHH.........AHLLIWANNAISABIGWINNer!

         OHHHHH.........AHLLIWANNAISABIGWINNer!

        OHHHHH.........AHLLIWANNAISABIGWINNer!

      rinse repeat 3x every day facing Gail Howard wherever she may be!

      NOW THAT is funny! I am surprised the manic leg hump-hump did not jump all over that. Joker must be wearing his rubber boots to be getting the multi-colored highlighted text treatment.

      The universe is some 6 billion years old, maybe that’s too many B’s, but it is B’s old. The book never said when the beginning was in years, but that is an accurate statement that it (the phsyical universe) started in the beginning.

      Hey Vision Dude, if you are saving young ladies while teaching drivers ed, save a few for me.

      DD

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        (1) born in bethelehem.   not just "bethelehem",  but a specific part of it

        I already posted a video that clearly showed how that story was plagiarised by many religions before and after Christ's time.

         

        (2) his body pierced

        More heresay.....

         

        (3) spit upon

        Again, heresay and debatable...

         

        Same with number 4, 5, 6, 7, and 8.....

        Dude....You're trying to make an argument using sources from the very source I'm refuting. Try using your own words. Heck...copy and paste someone else's words, but for God sake, stop trying to explain things from the very same text I say I don't believe in.

        I want proof, and you have once agin provided me with more goobly gook from a very unprovable source.

        I'll give you one more shot to use your own brain and not what washed it.

         

        (1)  lets say your "theory"  was correct,  in that within the pool of "wanna be's",  there actually was a person born in bethelehem,  the problem becomes as to whether or not they proved their "claim"  of being the Messiah,  by doing things only attributable TO the Messiah,  and there is only one man who has collectively fit that title throughout history,  and it was accoplished thru collective fulfillment. 

        none of your other "examples"  have even come close to those collective accomplishments

        i could go downtown where i live and eventually find someone who claims he is the "messiah",   but only one man proved it

        bring for the actual examples of men who were born in bethelehem that claimed to be the "messiah",  and had God atrributes.

        i say that's a manufactured lie,  where mine is provable thru prerecorded history.

        until you show an actual person,  my history replication takes the first category

        does it bother you that your supposed "example"  isn't even on the radar screen of history as far as having a spotlight on them currently?

         

        (2) nope.  sorry.   eyewitness testimony recorded by someone on scene during stated "act".

        and,  not only an eyewitness on scene varification,  but more importantly a prediction that it WOULD HAPPEN.....some  500 years  (around 500B.C.) before it happened by the prophet zachariah.

        round 2 goes to history,  with an honorable mention to zachariah.

        (3) nope again.  shoot,  even mel gibson in his most heinous drunken state knows this one,  and accurately replicated it the movie.  why?   how could he know,  he wasn't there. 

          matthew was there,  saw it himself and wrote about it. 

        the prophet isaiah was there also.  well,  sort of.  isaiah prophesied this unpredictable reactive human emotion would happen to the true Messiah,  as he foretold of that particular event some 700 years B.C.

        joker,  you cannot even predict what you will do tomorrow with 100% accuracy

        round 3 goes to replicated prerecorded history  (again)

        (4) well,  you quit at #3,  and good move on your part,  because i can do what i did with numbers 1 -3  to the rest of the some 293 prophecies.

        i AM a pretty resourceful guy,  blessed with an abundance of staying to the end fortiTUDE,  so i obviously "can"

        you see,  even you can't argue against prerecorded history, because it's well,  "prerecorded".

        your best "hope"  is to con a Christian into not using "history",  therefore hoping that  history can magically "disappear".

        trouble is,  whatever you feel about the bible,  one things entirely 100% true,  is that it's an "historical document"  that one can easily read for themselves to see if isaiah and zachariah actually stated those things PRE Christ.

        scorecard recap,   true history got 3 tonight,  and you got zip

        that is until you can bring forth this "pretender messiah"  from bethelehem you say you have in the bag

        you won't,  because there isn't one

        guys like you MANUFACTURE "history"

         

        some guy,  who didn't even live in that culture at that time,  supposedly knew some guy would spit on another "guy"  in some anger reactive manner,  some 700 years prior?

        semi impressive,  but hey,  someones bound to spit on someone sometime from now until 700 years from now,  so that stand alone fact is really / truthfully only "semi impressive".

        what moves it from the "semi impressive" category into the straight up ASTOUNDING "category",  is all the other prophecies that came to pass as well.

        collectively speaking,  each and every one adds up to being who He claimed to be.

        one time occurances.  you may be able to write them off as "coincidence"

        not 300 of them. 

         300 with 100%  accuracy i might add

        not unless you lie to yourself "it isn't true".

        now do you wish you didn't allow me to "teach",  joker?

        or would you like me to go on,  because you cannot help yourself?

        be glad to

        you made the assretion there was some dude claiming to have lived in bethelehem PRE Christ,  who claimed to be the messiah..........BRING THAT "DUDE"  FORTH

                    "i am .........."meant to"       

        P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

                 until further notice,  it's  france everyday

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          NOW THAT is funny! I am surprised the manic leg hump-hump did not jump all over that. Joker must be wearing his rubber boots to be getting the multi-colored highlighted text treatment.

          The universe is some 6 billion years old, maybe that’s too many B’s, but it is B’s old. The book never said when the beginning was in years, but that is an accurate statement that it (the phsyical universe) started in the beginning.

          Hey Vision Dude, if you are saving young ladies while teaching drivers ed, save a few for me.

          DD

          "Hey Vision Dude, if you are saving young ladies while teaching drivers ed, save a few for me"

          you know,  even as well i can read people,   and can tell who they really are over time vs what they "claim" to be,   even i didn't "see"  that you were a trolling pervert.

          PLURAL,  so polygamy no less

          good to know.

          another DD gem

          those DDisms just keep on a rollin.

          i already knew your "bible scholar"  pretending didn't match the REAL "dd"

          this guy is such a gem of humanity,  even he can't catch himself before he "slips" the real DD out for full public view.

          who publically states they desire teenage girls?

          do me a favor,  well actually my teenage girl drivers a FAVOR,  and let us now where you live,  so we can AVOID your neighborhood.

          are you "registered"?

          you should be (on soooo many levels)

                      "i am .........."meant to"       

          P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

                   until further notice,  it's  france everyday

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            You say I overwhelmed you with too many subjects. OK, let's start with the most basic fundamental DUH!...How can the universe only be a few thousand years old, when light from distant galaxies reaching our eyes took billions of years?

            Unless you can answer that most basic question, with a reasonable logically sound explanation, there is no way to continue.

            You have to crawl before you can walk.

            Can you answer it in a concise and succint fashion without evading the issue with long diatribes?

            My answer is a resounding NO.....!!!

            your replicating what scientists theorize about light taking "that long",  yet you equate Gods abilities with mans instrument inventions,  as if God is hancuffed by scientific instruments.

            all He did was SPEAK IT into existence.

            it didn't take "billions"  of years.

            if anything,  it took something more like a millisecond

            steven hawking didn't "create the world",  and scientists only "guess"  they know what happened

            Jesus Christ did,  and i go to Him for those "go to"  questions about "how'd they do that"?

             

            don't bother asking DD though,  he is too busy salivating over underage girls,  and he is concerned now with possible prison time.

            what's that old saying........"15 i'll getcha 20"

            gee,  i wonder how "popular"  DD would be in prison with his over inflated ego?   naw,  i don't want a mental image of that

             

            you have to get away with having to wrap your brain around something,  before you can "believe it".

            i have ZERO problem "believing" God can do anything He wants to.

            from instantly creating any aspect of the universe,  to including within the framework of His will,  someone that belongs to Hi winning the lottery,  and everywhere up and down that "qualification scale".

            knowing God personally,  one CAN speak from that perspective.

            but if all you ever do is work to "not believe",  you will wind up "guessing"...

            ....just like "accredited  scientists" do

             

            you only covered 3 (techinically speaking)  of the prophecies i gave to you for your consideration.

            any comment on the odds of one man in history fulfilling all 300?

                        "i am .........."meant to"       

            P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

                     until further notice,  it's  france everyday

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              Back to the original post...I agree with you ridge...the outcome will be in accordance to the odds.  An individual may do better one way or the other, but the group statistics would remain the same.  For proof of that one only has to check the pick 3/4 prediction boards at LP where most predictors pick their own numbers.  As a group the LP board performs as well as quick picks, winning .50 back for every 1.00 spent.  There are individuals within that group who do better, worse, or the same...but the group stats remain the same as quick picks.

              Thanks Rick.

              So the debate would then necessarily involve individual performance, consistency and the individual's perception of success.

              Oh, no.


                                                           
                                   
                                                       

               

               

               

               

                                                                                                                 

              "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"

                                                                                                          --Edmund Burke

               

               

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                NOW THAT is funny! I am surprised the manic leg hump-hump did not jump all over that. Joker must be wearing his rubber boots to be getting the multi-colored highlighted text treatment.

                The universe is some 6 billion years old, maybe that’s too many B’s, but it is B’s old. The book never said when the beginning was in years, but that is an accurate statement that it (the phsyical universe) started in the beginning.

                Hey Vision Dude, if you are saving young ladies while teaching drivers ed, save a few for me.

                DD

                It breaches!


                                                             
                                     
                                                         

                 

                 

                 

                 

                                                                                                                   

                "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"

                                                                                                            --Edmund Burke

                 

                 

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                  your replicating what scientists theorize about light taking "that long",  yet you equate Gods abilities with mans instrument inventions,  as if God is hancuffed by scientific instruments.

                  all He did was SPEAK IT into existence.

                  it didn't take "billions"  of years.

                  if anything,  it took something more like a millisecond

                  steven hawking didn't "create the world",  and scientists only "guess"  they know what happened

                  Jesus Christ did,  and i go to Him for those "go to"  questions about "how'd they do that"?

                   

                  don't bother asking DD though,  he is too busy salivating over underage girls,  and he is concerned now with possible prison time.

                  what's that old saying........"15 i'll getcha 20"

                  gee,  i wonder how "popular"  DD would be in prison with his over inflated ego?   naw,  i don't want a mental image of that

                   

                  you have to get away with having to wrap your brain around something,  before you can "believe it".

                  i have ZERO problem "believing" God can do anything He wants to.

                  from instantly creating any aspect of the universe,  to including within the framework of His will,  someone that belongs to Hi winning the lottery,  and everywhere up and down that "qualification scale".

                  knowing God personally,  one CAN speak from that perspective.

                  but if all you ever do is work to "not believe",  you will wind up "guessing"...

                  ....just like "accredited  scientists" do

                   

                  you only covered 3 (techinically speaking)  of the prophecies i gave to you for your consideration.

                  any comment on the odds of one man in history fulfilling all 300?

                  I won't engage in some long drawn out religious argument with you but I have to tell you that sounds like one of the most foolish explanations I ever heard. 

                  That's not proof.  All these 6 thousand years (according to you), and that is the best you can come up with?

                  I'll even buy 10 QPs and see if God can make all 10 of them winners!  That would be the test.  If that happens, then I'll believe your foolish ideas!

                  BTW - quote  (1) born in bethelehem.   not just "bethelehem",  but a specific part of it

                  It's Bethlehem - at least show some respect to your religion and beliefs!  Look it up if you can't spell it.

                  Never argue with a fool, they will lower you to their level and then beat you with experience.


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                    "JOKER17"

                     

                    And "AMEN" Peace  be with you "brother"   may the  god  of the lottery  answer your  prayer!!!


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                      LotteryTechInc, it's not the gambling that's the sin. If done in excess, where other things are negatively impacted by it, then it is a sin.

                      I personally believe that anything done in excess which negatively affects the person or others around him  is just a BAD choice they  made by letting  it get out of hand.There are "some" people that do things in excess  and for  some odd reason  they are able too keep it together so it doesn't affect them personally or others.But technically the sin thing only applies too believers anything I do that is considered a sin under  religion doesn't apply too me because I DO not follow  that belief you can't  automatically apply religious beliefs on others especially if they follow a totally different belief or they choose not too follow anything,so  anything I do that is negative isn't a sin just  a bad choice.


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                        your replicating what scientists theorize about light taking "that long",  yet you equate Gods abilities with mans instrument inventions,  as if God is hancuffed by scientific instruments.

                        all He did was SPEAK IT into existence.

                        it didn't take "billions"  of years.

                        if anything,  it took something more like a millisecond

                        steven hawking didn't "create the world",  and scientists only "guess"  they know what happened

                        Jesus Christ did,  and i go to Him for those "go to"  questions about "how'd they do that"?

                         

                        don't bother asking DD though,  he is too busy salivating over underage girls,  and he is concerned now with possible prison time.

                        what's that old saying........"15 i'll getcha 20"

                        gee,  i wonder how "popular"  DD would be in prison with his over inflated ego?   naw,  i don't want a mental image of that

                         

                        you have to get away with having to wrap your brain around something,  before you can "believe it".

                        i have ZERO problem "believing" God can do anything He wants to.

                        from instantly creating any aspect of the universe,  to including within the framework of His will,  someone that belongs to Hi winning the lottery,  and everywhere up and down that "qualification scale".

                        knowing God personally,  one CAN speak from that perspective.

                        but if all you ever do is work to "not believe",  you will wind up "guessing"...

                        ....just like "accredited  scientists" do

                         

                        you only covered 3 (techinically speaking)  of the prophecies i gave to you for your consideration.

                        any comment on the odds of one man in history fulfilling all 300?

                        your replicating what scientists theorize about light taking "that long

                        This is exactly what I wrote about in other pages and threads. You people discount science, yet in other areas will use science to your advantage, which BTW always backfires. You in particular may not use it, but they're out there.

                        Sorry to burst your bubble, but it's a FACT, not a theory, that light travels at 186,000 miles per second. They have very precise instruments that measure it.

                        You people make me laugh. You go about your everyday lives using technology based products and services which all started out as a scientific study. That is the most pathetic part of the debate.

                         When science benefits your daily lives as convienience or even saving your dang life in a hospital with machines, you give it no thought. You have a strong belief in science, yet when it's applied to religion, science is all of a sudden junk.

                        You'll have to make up your minds. Either you believe in science, or you don't. If you don't believe, then stop living off of science, and go be a nomad in the desert, living off the land.

                        If the sun blew up at this very moment, no one would know for about 8 and a third minutes. Now take that FACT, and post it on your bedroom wall.

                        God forbid anything bad should happen to you Visiondude, and you need radiation therapy, you can thank SCIENCE for saving your life.

                         

                         

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                          your replicating what scientists theorize about light taking "that long

                          This is exactly what I wrote about in other pages and threads. You people discount science, yet in other areas will use science to your advantage, which BTW always backfires. You in particular may not use it, but they're out there.

                          Sorry to burst your bubble, but it's a FACT, not a theory, that light travels at 186,000 miles per second. They have very precise instruments that measure it.

                          You people make me laugh. You go about your everyday lives using technology based products and services which all started out as a scientific study. That is the most pathetic part of the debate.

                           When science benefits your daily lives as convienience or even saving your dang life in a hospital with machines, you give it no thought. You have a strong belief in science, yet when it's applied to religion, science is all of a sudden junk.

                          You'll have to make up your minds. Either you believe in science, or you don't. If you don't believe, then stop living off of science, and go be a nomad in the desert, living off the land.

                          If the sun blew up at this very moment, no one would know for about 8 and a third minutes. Now take that FACT, and post it on your bedroom wall.

                          God forbid anything bad should happen to you Visiondude, and you need radiation therapy, you can thank SCIENCE for saving your life.

                           

                           

                          It is clear you are a pseudo wanna be scientist.  You confuse theory, facts, measurements, approximations, observations, etc.....................consistently,  that is a "fact" drawn from observation,  no measurement needed.  Any real scientist will tell you any quantity or measurement is not a fact but an approximation as close as it can be measured.  For eg. the speed of light as you so often tout is not 186,000 MPH it is actually CLOSER to 186,262 MPH but you can go further...................  we will never know the "exact" speed of light.........................only God knows that.

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                            Sounds like the debate about quick picks verses self/personal picks is settled and its a draw.  You can win with either but QPs involve less effort and no thought so it's the choice of 70-80% of players.

                             * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                               
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                              It is clear you are a pseudo wanna be scientist.  You confuse theory, facts, measurements, approximations, observations, etc.....................consistently,  that is a "fact" drawn from observation,  no measurement needed.  Any real scientist will tell you any quantity or measurement is not a fact but an approximation as close as it can be measured.  For eg. the speed of light as you so often tout is not 186,000 MPH it is actually CLOSER to 186,262 MPH but you can go further...................  we will never know the "exact" speed of light.........................only God knows that.

                              Splitting hairs will not answer the question. Either answer the question, or stop making a fool of yourself.

                              Boy I tell ya, both you and visionquest like to dig at the bottom of the pit to give an explanation, and that pit is getting deeper and deeper. What a shame.

                                 
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