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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Aug 22, 2010
You're stuck on Horus, as If the video is about Horus only.
The video explains all the aspects of religion's roots involving the sun, and how the zodiac sign has influenced it. I think you're missing the point of the video. I'm not gonna sit here and tear apart the video and explain the different parts. The video is easy to understand if you can breifly set aside your biases. There is actually a second and final third part to that vid which beautifully rounds everything out.
No amount of documents, vids, or commentary will make you understand that there is a real world outside of your comfort zone, the Bible. You're obviously very comfortable there, and that's where this is gonna end.
I can't do justice to the videos by explaining every detail because I only learned these facts just 2 years ago But I have watched them many many times over to fully understand every aspect. Unlike you and many others who are stuck in their comfort zones, I try to learn new insights that are presented to the world everyday. Life is ever morphing, and if you're stuck in one place for than one minute, it's old news, especially in this day of information highway always being updated at an enormous speed.
I suggest watching the vid again, but with an open mind. And don't get stuck on Horus. He is just one particle in a sea of info that can be intertwined with the other facts in the video. Also watch part 2 and 3.
You can discount all the coincidence presented in the videos with the numbers like 12 wich is ubiqutous throghout all the variations of the Gods, and the discount all the coincidental storylines that match,and just discount anything anyone presents to you as a possibility that your train of thought is not the sole thought out there. That's your right, but that's all I can right now.
Your review of the video clearly demonstrates that you didn't quite grasp the message it was making.
Oh well.....keep your blinders on and follow what your mind tells you to do. The information is out there if you want perspective. But as long as you think your ideals to this whole thing is the end all to everything, well.......that's where it becomes futile to go any further with this discussion.
Information is power. New and updated information, not old news. It's 2010, get with the program my friend. There's a reason why we no longer think comets and asteroids coming thru our atmosphere are signs by the Gods. There is a reason why we no longer worship the sun. (at least most of us) There is a reason why we no longer think the Earth is flat. There is a reason why we no longer think the Earth is the center of the universe. There is a reason why 99 percent of the world no longer performs sacrafices to please their God/s. There is a reason why we no longer burn witches at the stake. There is a reason why we trust doctors to heal us instead o relying soley on superstitous rituals being performed to heal. There is a reason why we don't believe earthquakes and floods are punishments from God towards homosexuals. (even though Pat Robertson may disagree). And the reason is that over time, folks realized there were reasonable explanations to all these events.
We no longer need superstitions and outdated rituals to rule our lives.
There's nothing wrong about spirituality because it leaves room for change, and doesn't claim it has a monopoly on truth. Life is not black and white, and nothing is written in stone. There are too many gray areas in life for any one group or person to claim they know what the truth is.
I'm spiritual to a certain extent. I feel this way because since everything in the universe is made of energy, and since energy cannot be destroyed, but only changed, there is a possibility that some part of our existence may carry over upon death. But that in no way implies I know this for a fact, or that anyone disagreeing with me is gonna burn in hell.
I'd be just as guilty as religious folks if I claimed I knew I was right and they were wrong.
But the door to that room if ideas like spirituality will always be slightly open, as to let new truth that may be discovered down the road. Nothing is written in stone!
i specifically stated i only commented on the "horus" character in order to save space, and you "forgot" i handed you another engraved golden invitation to do what you started / inferred with the vid you threw up here.
i told you in my response i would be willing to go the distance with you on this issue, on ALL the other "pretenders", but once again you pull another "joker" and hit and run.
all you do is throw up something in hopes that the person you are "throwing' it at can't counter it.
once you smell they can, you cut and run to your bag of tricks so that you can throw something else against the wall, in hopes that THAT will "stick"
quit playing games and wasting peoples time.
you already took over the thread with your selfishness, and if you are going to "insist" on going there, go there fully or go play this game somewhere else.
you are so "sure" these "examples" are nothing more than plagaristic attempts at being "a" christ figure.
once you sensed i had the skills to totally seperate Christ FROM the "pretenders", you went into cut and run / blame me for being "not willing to consider anything else" mode.
that's a lie
it's on you again, that you once again can't finish what you start
now, so you can't dream up another excuse, for time and efficientcy purposes go cull one of the "pretenders" you referred to as being "just another christ figure" and bring the best of the lot front and center.
the "one" that has the best chance of "replacing" Jesus Christ for the title he now holds, and i will sytematically show you that people opposed to Christ manufacture this garbage, to make these "figures" in history appear to look like Christ in thier "supposed" parallel accomplishments.
use anyone of them, but grab the best "candidate".
remember though, that's a tall order, because Christ didn't just claim to be the savior / messiah, He claimed to be God
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Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Aug 22, 2010
"remember how lame that "excuse" was that i need to "purchase" QP's in order for them to "count"? (EXCUSE #1)that was lame, but it got "lamer"
The topic is about the FACTS from the Powerball website not some mindless delusion you invented.
"when i challenged you with 2 more "angles".......that of buying those QP's, and if YOU LOSE, you could reimburse me......and you were silent. (EXCUSE #2)"
You wanted me to make your ridiculous bet for you that nobody in their right mind would make. Are so stupid that you don't understand when players purchase lottery tickets they are betting against the lottery?
"i never "busted you" about having ANYTHING to do with "islam"."
I was simply pointing out because of your fairy tale belief, you are poor representative of Christianity and if there are more like you, it's no wonder Islam is the world's fastest growing religion. I wasn't mocking Christianity or God (as you claimed). Can you say for a fact the majority of Christians believe the Earth and the Universe is only 6000 years old?
"i can see my example of the difference between a man that is actually willing to stand up for what is true no matter where that comittment takes him, VS a man who manufactures garbage about other people because they can't live up to thier own claims ........it went right over your integrity."
In answering the questions from this topic, I said given the choice I would choose using a 46 combo wheel covering all the bonus numbers over purchasing 46 QPs because of superior coverage. The MegaMillions website gives 1 chance in 75 of matching the bonus ball and you're probably the only LP member out of 90,000 that doesn't understand that means players would have to purchase 75 QPs to get the same coverage. I never said 46 purchased QPs or 46 fantasy RNG picks couldn't match the bonus ball, I was just pointing out to those who could grasp the concept, by using all 46 bonus numbers, the wheel is guaranteed to match the bonus number.
You reached the height of stupidity by demanding visual proof of how all 46 bonus numbers could be used in 46 combinations. You can stand up for your stupidity for the rest of your life but it won't change the fact 46 divided by 46 equals 1.
"we let this personal undoing "gem" stand on it's own, because that's a LIEthe comparison always was about what performed better, and you only under despeartion nation tried to turn it into that, so you could manufacture some lame excuse that you didn't "have to" display your claimed "talents."
Ridge gave the facts "Quick Picks account for 70% of the tickets sold and 70% of the winning tickets." and "Player Picks account for 30% of the tickets sold and 30% of the winning tickets." showing neither bet outperformed the other. He than asked "If neither method beats the odds of winning percentage vs. sales percentage, how is one better than the other?" and I responded it's personal choice and I would choose using a 46 combo wheel covering all the bonus numbers over purchasing 46 QPs because of superior coverage.
You can't do simple math and your reading comprehension is very limited so you choose not to let the facts get in your way. I suppose ever village must have one village idiot but not very many have gone out of their way to prove they are that one like you have.
"You wanted me to make your ridiculous bet for you that nobody in their right mind would make. Are so stupid that you don't understand when players purchase lottery tickets they are betting against the lottery?"
quit feigning reading comprehension problems.
you know i said i would be willing to purchase my own QP's and put them up against your whatever you think you have, but don't.
and, you know i stated that because i am sure of my position (by calling you on your rediculousness), that if you lost the challenge you would reimburse me for my 46 combo's.
you knew that, and wussed out
"you are poor representative of Christianity and if there are more like you, it's no wonder Islam is the world's fastest growing religion"
if you would like to put me in the "nice little Christian" category because only "nice Christians" allow people like you to talk trash (i.e., your "fairy tales", etc) about Christ/Christians/Christianity unchecked, then NO.
you can place me in the "other" category
i am not a card carrying member of door mat "Christianity"
"Can you say for a fact the majority of Christians believe the Earth and the Universe is only 6000 years old?"
i can say for a fact that is one of the 'lesser" points as to whether or not the biblical record is true.
closer to the "6,000" account? probably. but what MATTERS is that it was Jesus Christ that created the entire planet
"The MegaMillions website gives 1 chance in 75 of matching the bonus ball and you're probably the only LP member out of 90,000 that doesn't understand that means players would have to purchase 75 QPs to get the same coverage. I never said 46 purchased QPs or 46 fantasy RNG picks couldn't match the bonus ball
i was hung up on the "46" combo's in the RJ challenge thing, so sue me.
who knows what's up anymore with you throwing numbers around the room like a merry-g-around for the last 70pages
makes no dif, i got $75 in my pocket that still says you can't back up squat
now what long winded excuse will you blame me for?
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If christianity didn't exist when jesus was alive then common sense should tell you he had nothing to do with the religion any bible scholar will tell you christianity didn't exist when he did nor did the new testmant so I have no idea what your driving at denial of what is fact is very typical of religous folks who insist that jesus and christianity somehow have something in common when they don't.He never preached from christian doctrine and he never told christians too go out and spread any gospel associated with it because none existed.
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Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Aug 22, 2010
i specifically stated i only commented on the "horus" character in order to save space, and you "forgot" i handed you another engraved golden invitation to do what you started / inferred with the vid you threw up here.
i told you in my response i would be willing to go the distance with you on this issue, on ALL the other "pretenders", but once again you pull another "joker" and hit and run.
all you do is throw up something in hopes that the person you are "throwing' it at can't counter it.
once you smell they can, you cut and run to your bag of tricks so that you can throw something else against the wall, in hopes that THAT will "stick"
quit playing games and wasting peoples time.
you already took over the thread with your selfishness, and if you are going to "insist" on going there, go there fully or go play this game somewhere else.
you are so "sure" these "examples" are nothing more than plagaristic attempts at being "a" christ figure.
once you sensed i had the skills to totally seperate Christ FROM the "pretenders", you went into cut and run / blame me for being "not willing to consider anything else" mode.
that's a lie
it's on you again, that you once again can't finish what you start
now, so you can't dream up another excuse, for time and efficientcy purposes go cull one of the "pretenders" you referred to as being "just another christ figure" and bring the best of the lot front and center.
the "one" that has the best chance of "replacing" Jesus Christ for the title he now holds, and i will sytematically show you that people opposed to Christ manufacture this garbage, to make these "figures" in history appear to look like Christ in thier "supposed" parallel accomplishments.
use anyone of them, but grab the best "candidate".
remember though, that's a tall order, because Christ didn't just claim to be the savior / messiah, He claimed to be God
bring forth ye pretender
You know what? You're not even worth the trouble to me anymore. It's a total waste of time and energy on my part to debate a brainwashed person like you.
Stay in la la land if you want. Who cares?
Keep mentioning the word "Fact" and the Bible in the same sentence. That's an oxymoron, but you wouldn't know what a "fact" is if it bit you on the nose.
Have a good life. I'm through wasting time arguing with an idiot.
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Quote: Originally posted by LotteryTechInc on Aug 22, 2010
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I don't know if anyone is aware of this but wosrhipping on Sunday is not biblical it originated from paganism the worhsipping of a Sun GOD "Sunday" is the day of the Sun it has nothing to do with the jewish sabaath which is Saturday.Christianity has a lot of pagan beliefs and practices because they weren't able too convert anymore jews so the only people left were pagans but too help sweeten the deal they allowed them too bring a lot of there pagan rituals,ceremonies and beliefs into christianity.
"Christianity has a lot of pagan beliefs and practices because they weren't able too convert anymore jews so the only people left were pagans but too help sweeten the deal they allowed them too bring a lot of there pagan rituals,ceremonies and beliefs into christianity.
the ONLY tiny microcasm of "truth" in that statement is the accounting of the jews who still believed it was up to "them" to make themselves "righteous" thru their own works, and brought that mentality with them into their new relationship with Christ, which is addressed in the book of hebrews, etc.
any crossection attempt at infusing "pagan influences" into Christian practice / doctrine was systematically dealt with by the discilples........and squashed to maintain congruency
THAT'S the true accounting of historical Christianity.
like you go to a person who can't stand Jesus Christ for "historical Christianity"
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the wages of sin is death"
........"death" meaning spiritual death, the end of an eternity WITH God, not the ceasement of the soul.
(WRONG the spirit cannot die it's immortal and not made of flesh only the body dies because it's mortal and made of flesh,there is no such thing as "spiritual death" god is a spirit can he die?? "NO" he cannot and since when did an eternity end??? if it ends then it's not an eternity do you even know what the word means?? an eternity goes on forever and does not stop)
to fully answer your question, whenever Christ was eyewitnessed talking about "hell", it included unpleasant terminology with aspects of physical suffering. that's the context (oh okay here we go again relying on what someone else says when it would make more sense if jesus actually wrote down his own words "personally" then you wouldn't have so much division in christianity and with competing religions concerning jesus.If you ever decide too study the real deal about hell you will find out that it refers to a place for the dead not place for eternal torment and suffering.Hades,Sheoul none of them refer too a pit of fire or eternal suffering "Gehenna" was a large ancient garbage dump which christians misinterpreted as talking about hellfire or a pit called hell because the garbage was set on fire but the christian hell concept originates in paganism.Hades is from greek methology for a place where the dead go and sheoul is hebrew for the same thing the eternal hellfire concept in christianity was taken from pagan beliefs)
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Quote: Originally posted by LotteryTechInc on Aug 22, 2010
If christianity didn't exist when jesus was alive then common sense should tell you he had nothing to do with the religion any bible scholar will tell you christianity didn't exist when he did nor did the new testmant so I have no idea what your driving at denial of what is fact is very typical of religous folks who insist that jesus and christianity somehow have something in common when they don't.He never preached from christian doctrine and he never told christians too go out and spread any gospel associated with it because none existed.
"If christianity didn't exist when jesus was alive then common sense should tell you he had nothing to do with the religion any bible scholar will tell you christianity didn't exist when he did
Christianty existed because of Christ. even stack understands that
stack, i know you are reading this. would you like to "help" tech with this part of history?
once the first person made the decision to follow Jesus Christ by rightfully declaring Him as Lord.......THAT'S when "Christianity" started.
"Christians" mean followers of Christ.
what do you think "Christians" are, the ones that purchase Christmas tree's?
that's probably loony(er) than even jokers attempts at "history lessons"
"denial of what is fact is very typical of religous folks who insist that jesus and christianity somehow have something in common when they don't.
whoa.
i realize you are desperateto white out Jesus Christ off the historical map of what's true, but your "desperation" just reached a new level with that one.
that one went bullet train "fast" straight past lying about history , to straight up delusion
like i said, even stack knows that's wacked.......and that says ALOT
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any crossection attempt at infusing "pagan influences" into Christian practice / doctrine was systematically dealt with by the discilples........and squashed to maintain congruency
(wrong sir the pagan influences still exist today remember catholacism is one of the oldest forms of christianity it's full of pagan beliefs nothing was completely squashed christians still worship on sunday which I pointed out IS NOT biblical show me scripture where it is?? you can't because the sabaath is saturday not sunday.The trinity is another gift from pagan beliefs along with the cross man do you ever study or just listen too what the preachers say in church???)
THAT'S the true accounting of historical Christianity.
(In your drug indused dreams perhaps but not in reality do you actually think the bible just fell from heaven and landed here on earth fully complete?? do you actually think your religion came out of nowhere without any ties,influences,associations,similiarities with older beleifs?? take the flood story for example a version existed 1,000 yrs before the bible version it's called "the epic of gilgamesh" the jews were against all pagan ways of life but chrisitanity used it too it's advantage because it gave them NUMBERS by allowing pagans into the faith bringing some of there beleifs,rituals and practices that existed for centuries with them.That is just one of many reasons for the split between judaism and christianity let me ask you something how come jews don't worship on sunday like the majority of chrsitians do?? how come they worship in synagogues and not churches??? Christians that worship on sunday are commiting a very serious sin that day is associated with the pagan worship of the sun it has nothing to do with the worship of your christian god)
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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Aug 22, 2010
97% of Christians don't even realize how much Pagan influence there is. They'll never hear it preached on Sundays at their local church. And since they never go outside their comfort zone, they'll never be fully educated. They don't want to be educated because that will jeopardize everything they been taught, and their comfort zone will be comprimised.
One of the major reasons Government is hiding the fact the we've been in cahoots with aliens for a long long time, is that if knowledge of Aliens is ever made public, Christians will have to now explain a lot of things. According to the Bible, humans are supposed to be the only creature God created other than the Angels and other minions, so If evidence is shown otherwise, it would create chaos in the Church. Another comfort zone would be comprimised.
People need some kind of consolation to comfort their eventual demise, and I can understand that. They want to feel that there is a purpose for their existence, and not just a bunch of accidents which brought them here, and I can uncderstand that too, but as for myself, I can't fool myself, after everything I've studied for decades now. I was lucky though. Around the age of 12 or so, a red flag appeard to me showing me that they all can't be right, and that's when my quest for the truth began. It started slowly, but as time went on I realized something wasn't right, so my investigation in this matter took off like a rocket at about the age of 25 or so. Now I can comfortably say that I don't know the truth, but the potential truth is somewhat there with science. Science doesn't have all the answers, and it isn't designed to have all the answers. That's why it's called science ( the study of)......It provides clues to lead the observer to the truth.
Folks who came out of the woodwork and proved that Earth was not the center of the universe were put to death or imprisoned by the Church and forced to write a letter denouncing everything they said or else. Their comfort zone was being compromised !
"One of the major reasons Government is hiding the fact the we've been in cahoots with aliens for a long long time, is that if knowledge of Aliens is ever made public, Christians will have to now explain a lot of things."
anda to counteract that rediculousness.
ok, everyone can thank me now for staying the course, so joker can come full circle about what he "really believes"
he probably believes clay aiken had something to do with 911
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Christianty existed because of Christ. even stack understands that (WRONG it existed because of PAUL jesus never started your religion just because some one starts a movment about him doesn't automatically make him the ambassador he never endorsed your religion in fact there is no mention of it in the Torah.)
once the first person made the decision to follow Jesus Christ by rightfully declaring Him as Lord.......THAT'S when "Christianity" started. (A person declaring something doesn't mean anything unless the individual in question was originally behind it,personally associated with it I CAN declare anything I want but that doesn't make it offical what if I decided too start a movement about micheal jackson and declare myself his personal spokeperson.JESUS was no longer alive when your religion got started and it really got started because there was a division amongst jews regarding jesus status in judaism so just like today if you have a disagreement,falling out or business partners no longer get along you go off and start your own thing and that's exactrly what those jews did.)
"Christians" mean followers of Christ. (so what??? does that mean jesus was personally involved?? if me and a bunch of patrick swayzee fans decide too start a movement in his name does that mean he personally has something to do with it??? NOPE!!! CULTS are started for many reasons back then christianity was considred a cult in the very beginning until it got catapulted into popularity thanks too Constantine who by the way was an X-PAGAN)
what do you think "Christians" are, the ones that purchase Christmas tree's? (nope christians are people who follow a belief ABOUT jesus not people that follow something that jesus actually started BIG difference)
that's probably loony(er) than even jokers attempts at "history lessons (your knowledge of christianity is very humorous)
i realize you are desperate to white out Jesus Christ off the historical map of what's true, but your "desperation" just reached a new level with that one. (not trying too white him out I believe he really existed it's just that christianities version of things is well??? totally incorrect)
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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Aug 22, 2010
You know what? You're not even worth the trouble to me anymore. It's a total waste of time and energy on my part to debate a brainwashed person like you.
Stay in la la land if you want. Who cares?
Keep mentioning the word "Fact" and the Bible in the same sentence. That's an oxymoron, but you wouldn't know what a "fact" is if it bit you on the nose.
Have a good life. I'm through wasting time arguing with an idiot.
you asked me to prove something, and i brought my "proof" front and center.
several pages worth i stayed the course and never once wussed out.
i call you on your "proof" to prove it once, and you run
you passed yourself off as such an expert in the matter, and now you are stuttering. why is that?
like i said several times now............ your nothing but a trouble causing "sprayer", who when pressed can't handle what you start
don't let the garabge can hit you on the way out the door.
now why do WE think this won't be the "last time" you start this stuff at LP (and not finish it)
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Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Aug 22, 2010
you asked me to prove something, and i brought my "proof" front and center.
several pages worth i stayed the course and never once wussed out.
i call you on your "proof" to prove it once, and you run
you passed yourself off as such an expert in the matter, and now you are stuttering. why is that?
like i said several times now............ your nothing but a trouble causing "sprayer", who when pressed can't handle what you start
don't let the garabge can hit you on the way out the door.
now why do WE think this won't be the "last time" you start this stuff at LP (and not finish it)
You presented garbage, not proof. Claiming you know for a fact that God instantly made light to travel those vast distances is just dumb and you know it. You call that proof? Nothing to back it up except for your delusions.
When you get a clue, I'll discuss it with you. Until then, stop wasting my time and insulting my intelligence.
I've ran circles around you. You are a simpleton and a moron.
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The GOD of isreal never told paul or anyone else too start christianity,never told the jews they had too convert too it either never told anyone too write another holy book there is NO mention of the new testmant anywhere in the torah.Until you can prove otherwise your just another christian living in denial of the real truth.
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Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Aug 22, 2010
You know what? You're not even worth the trouble to me anymore. It's a total waste of time and energy on my part to debate a brainwashed person like you.
Stay in la la land if you want. Who cares?
Keep mentioning the word "Fact" and the Bible in the same sentence. That's an oxymoron, but you wouldn't know what a "fact" is if it bit you on the nose.
Have a good life. I'm through wasting time arguing with an idiot.
"Keep mentioning the word "Fact" and the Bible in the same sentence. That's an oxymoron, but you wouldn't know what a "fact" is if it bit you on the nose."
you "forgot" to include the word historicalwhen i am doing the tie in with "bible and fact".
historical proof trumps mans opinions / feelings about a subject matter everytime...
....on ANY level
you should try it, it's a bullet train TO truth, instead of that meandering 6 lane freeway your driving on
historians replicate history
agenda driven people twist history to MAKE IT what they WANT it to be.
btw, kyfloyd was on YOUR side with his/her sarcastic comments
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When someone is brainwashed by religion this is how they behave I should know I USE too be like him years ago until one day I decided too find out the truth for myself