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Statistically Speaking - QP's and PP's

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"I won't engage in some long drawn out religious argument with you but I have to tell you that sounds like one of the most foolish explanations I ever heard."

I Agree! and if VD is a true representative of Christianity, it's easy to understand why Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world.

"That's not proof.  All these 6 thousand years (according to you), and that is the best you can come up with?"

That's the same type of proof VD used with LP's RNG to create 46 combos so he could have "a contest" with Patrick. The results of the contest were exactly the same as probability predicted; one winner out of 40 so the contest proved nothing. When asked how it's possible we see stars so far away that it take the light from them traveling at 186,000 miles a second, a billion years or more to reach our sight on Earth, if the universe was only 6000 years, VD couldn't find the answer using an RNG so they choose to use a nonsensical QPs.

"It's Bethlehem - at least show some respect to your religion and beliefs!  Look it up if you can't spell it."

It's only been 400 years since Galileo was called a heretic for saying the Earth revolves around the Sun and put on house arrest for the rest of his life. Makes me wonder what punishment the Inquisition would have given VD for being disrespectful. But it's probably just being to lazy to capitalize words, punctuate sentences, and run a spell check. The call for proof of a profitable system is so VD can use that system instead of creating his own.

"and if VD is a true representative of Christianity, it's easy to understand why Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world"

i am

you know "how"  i am?    because i refuse to allow people like you to either mock God unchallenged,  or to "bully"  Christians into silence,   attempting to stealing their voice in the "opinion vs opinion"  arena of life.

door mat Christianity isn't "biblical",  in that at times you let things slide,  while other times you fight for what's right so people like you can't pull that politically correct garbage.

the difference between you and me is you were deathly silent about coming to the table when you spouted "facts",  and asked to back up your "facts"  with visual proof.

71 PAGES OF ZIP from you either.

at least i brought 46 lp QP's to the table.    you STILL talk like you did something

 

back in "inquisition" times i might have lost my life for not having to budge about what's true

you see,  losing ones life over TRUTH is what real men of position aren't afraid of.

faced with those kinds of possibilities,  you would have to BEG for your life,  or probably knowing you now like i do,  you would manufacture some version of 'appeasement truth"   so you can escape

your game in life is so weak,   you couldn't even spot your "system" on an anonymous board.

i would have lasted a whole lot less "longer"  than you would have,  in any inquisition scenario

real men of position back their claims up

            "i am .........."meant to"       

P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

         until further notice,  it's  france everyday

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    so extracting a child out of this world,  into an enviorment that is devoid of the garbage this world has to offer comparison wise is "unjust"?     get a clue.  God if anything is doing them a monumental favor by saving them OUT of a lifetime of only what He knew they would face

     

    Oh my goodness  I just couldn't resist  responding too this  one so where do I start??? according too  religion  there  was a war going on in the heavenly realm which is why the wicked  one is here  on earth so  I guess  it isn't much  of a paradise after all if war went on  there  like it does here.And  since when was extracting a child through VIOLENT means just,loving,kind and caring?? you  mean too tell me that all the  kids that were  raped,molested,beheaded,abused,decapitated,killed by a drunk driver or died from some deadly painful disease was  the  almighty's way of taking  them off this  planet because it's such a horrible place??? why not just  let them go too  sleep and NOT wake up?? that seems a lot more civilised don't you think?? or how about this why not just keep them  in heaven since this place is so wicked and  horrible? why allow them too be born into  this world  only too take them out later on in such a violent manner?? Does this make any sense too anyone??? NO it doesn't wow  this higher  power is doing them a favor by taking them out of here by having them experience death in a very  VIOLENT way and not even giving  them a choice in the matter.If I was told that at the age of 8 I would be kidnapped by a child molester who would  do what he wanted with me and then strangle me too death  and cut up my body so it's never  found so I could  come be with the  creator cause he loved me so much he wanted too take me out of here I would most definitely  tell him PLEASE NOT LIKE THAT!! is there  any other way?? how about letting me fall asleep  and not wake  up until I'm in heaven?? that way I feel no pain and my parents  grief isn't as severe compared  too dealing with me being kidnapped  and  never  return and one day some  hunter  finds some of my remains in the woods. "GO FIGURE"

    work time.

    i have to switch gears and "remind" my lessons that the DD's of the world are out there

    i will be back tonight to handle your latest felonious accusations

    handling the "hard questions"  isn't hard.   it just takes time and effort

    something only the stack's and truecritics of the world seem to suffer from

                "i am .........."meant to"       

    P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

             until further notice,  it's  france everyday

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      "We now know that God must want children dying

      at times, yes. 

      but your "version"  portends that God is "unrighteous"  in THAT decision making.

      God makes His decisions based on eternal values,  and not the immediacy or comfort of this life.

      if a "child"  missed out on an eternity because of that decision,  then and ONLY THEN would that "decision"  become "unrighteous"

      so extracting a child out of this world,  into an enviorment that is devoid of the garbage this world has to offer comparison wise is "unjust"?     get a clue.  God if anything is doing them a monumental favor by saving them OUT of a lifetime of only what He knew they would face

      unbelievers thinking they are the "experts"  on the why's of God's decision making

       

      " I mean you could of just asked God for an answer to the question if QP are better than SP"

      i already knew the 'answer'  from the available sustained proof.  they both have an equal chance,  because they both are random

      i went "the distance"  in here,  because i am a long distance runner when backing up something, AND i gave you obviously ample chance to prove me wrong otherwise.

      how does it feel to know you offered up zip in the SP vs QP game for 71 PAGES

      notice how when someone asked,  i was at least willing to go the distance ?

      that's how real men of positional strength act

      "If you believe that God can do anything He wants, then that solves EVERY POSSIBLE QUESTION THERE CAN BE ABOUT RELIGION or anything for that matter. 

      good.  logical conclusion you have come to

      i not only believe "He can",  i know He can from personal experience WATCHING Him do things only He can do.......like tell us what will happen to us pre event, etc, etc,  etc, etc

      why do i experience occurances like that over a guy like you?    because i allow Him His rightful place in my life

      you could too,  it's just that you don't want to

      whatever God said about Himself,  i trust Him,  and take Him at His word,  so that i don't have to WASTE my time worrying about "how He did it".

      if He said He spoke the universe into existence .......i think that's ASTOUNDING,  and certainly well within Gods "ability"

      you only have "intellectual difficulty"  with that notion because if you "believed it",  you would then have to place the REST of your life under that umbrella.

      that's where people like you throw out the boat anchor,  and yank on the E-brake,  stopping short of that CHOICE,  and then the ensuing "excuses"  spilleth fortheth

      God can do anything,  because He is greater than "george lucas"

      duh

      "notice how when someone asked,  i was at least willing to go the distance ?"

      Willing?  You pushed until you became totally obnoxious.

      Nobody cares if you "go the distance."  Nobody asked you to.  Not one person posted that they are thankful that you saved them from doing self-picks.  I have given you more than one opportunity to quietly depart and you are too dumb to accept. 

      You coming here and DEMANDING people do workout tests between QPs and SPs.  "Prove your system" "8 years and no proof" - blah, blah, blah - 6,000 years - billions of years and no workouts proving one thing you say!  The junk you spit out makes a person want to give up on any religion - especially Christian.   Someone explains things to you and you stick your hands over your ears and go La La La La.  You and the way you twist things is a disgrace to the human species. 

      You have a totally inflated arrogant belief in yourself, if you want to argue your "religious" beliefs, go to these places and see if you can convince them! 

      http://www.ummah.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?10-General&s=f77ab5ad82996be003ea9af74d569434

      http://forum.mpacuk.org/showthread.php?t=47110

         


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        "I actually look into facts" you did it again!

        "What the HECK difference does it make if light travels 186,000 miles per second or 186,000. 3 seconds. MAN...GET a clue." and again!

        LMAO!  Thanks!

        Yeah, you harp on irrelevant facts that have nothing to do with the question. Pathetic if you ask me.

        Can't answer the question because your indoctrination never allowed it Simple question you can't answer.

         Stay brainwashed...who cares...

         

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          before i head out the door truecritic,  maybe you and stack can team up and explain to the board why the BOTH OF YOU didn't go after joker,  since joker was the one that started us going down this road,  and joker was a DISRESPECTFUL jerk in the commision thereof.

          know why you go after me instead of him?

          because you 2 won't show up on the integrity radar screen anytime soon.

          you pick people, opinions and things you don't like over the actual truth in life.

          if either of you 2 WERE men of integrity,  you would have went after him first

           

          i would remind you to "buy a clue",  but neither of you can afford one on your PP "success"

                      "i am .........."meant to"       

          P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

                   until further notice,  it's  france everyday


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            "You people discount science,"

            easy,  don't automatically lump me in with the masses,  because i LOVE science,  and how it parallels biblical truth.

            give me biblical based science for $500,  alex

            trouble is,  i know the fallacy of basing my life on theories,  and secular scientists are theory hounds calling theories "fact"

            i like a good hypothezing session as much as the next guy,  but don't ask me to place my eternal destiny into the hands of some dude that has a certificate you can duplicate on the internet,   hanging on some wall in a classroom somewhere when that dude is guessing.

            the beauty of God is that God doesn't "ballpark".   

            all i have to do is find out what He already said about it,  and build my eternal valued belief around that

            you build yours on guessers / hypothesizers.

            i build mine on the one who gave man the knowledge to even build that telescope you were referring to,  so that can see His handiwork,   even after he knows "they"  won't give Him credit for it

             

            anytime you want to go down  "science"  blvd,  you can pick me up in your taxi

            i LOVE science,  but i get a little "narrow"  when it comes to actual historical fact over wishful thinking

             

            oh,  and light does travel at that speed now,  when someone measures it now

            when God first created light (and all the other peripheral entities surrounding your "example")..... it's "travel" (as you put it)  was instantaneous.

            that's a whole lot more mindblowing than "186,000 miles per sec"

            see how true science works

            oh,  and light does travel at that speed now,  when someone measures it now

            when God first created light (and all the other peripheral entities surrounding your "example")..... it's "travel" (as you put it)  was instantaneous.

            that's a whole lot more mindblowing than "186,000 miles per sec"

            see how true science works

             

            Really? And how the heck do you know what God did? Wow....You are good. You know what God does, thinks, and will do?

            You need to put pads, really thick pads on all of the walls in your house.

             

            Even the loonies in the looney bin would think you're nuts........

             

            crazy

             

             

             

             

            that's a whole lot more mindblowing than "186,000 miles per sec"

             

            The only thing here that's mind blowing is that you really believe this stuff you spew. Now that's mind blowing.


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              along"So far, all you and Vision have produced is either fairytale stories from the Bible as proof "

              like i reminded you,  it's a prerecorded history book,  whether you believe it is a book of "fables"  or not,  and one thing even you can't do is dream up ENOUIGH of an excuse to make it "not a historical document"

              speaking of intellectual integrity,   for you to say "it isn't",   you would have to wipe out the REST of world history along with it.

              your an illusionist of what's really "true",  let's see you criss angel that into oblivion.

               

              since you started this current rodeo,  i would LOVE to see you say the bible "isn't"  an historical document.

              truecritic is afraid of that one.   maybe you will be brave enough to make an attempt on white outing history

              yes or no,  is the bible an historical document ,  joker?

              The Bible's stories have been interpreted and changed more times than Tammy Faye Baker's hairdo.

              tammy

               

               

               

               

               

               The Bible may be an historical document, but that doesn't make it true. The Quaran is a historical document also, that doesn't make it true. And so are the thousands of other religious documents written in the past, and that also doesn't make them true. You my friend, need serious help.

              The story of Jesus and his activities is plagiarism. Many religions before and after Christ's time had the exact same events told in their stories.

              What you need to do is to do some investigating in other places to get some perspective. But i know ou won't cause the blinders are limiting your peripheral vision.

              It's futile to argue with you, but go ahead and keep demanding proof for PP selections to outweigh Qps.

               


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                so extracting a child out of this world,  into an enviorment that is devoid of the garbage this world has to offer comparison wise is "unjust"?     get a clue.  God if anything is doing them a monumental favor by saving them OUT of a lifetime of only what He knew they would face

                 

                Oh my goodness  I just couldn't resist  responding too this  one so where do I start??? according too  religion  there  was a war going on in the heavenly realm which is why the wicked  one is here  on earth so  I guess  it isn't much  of a paradise after all if war went on  there  like it does here.And  since when was extracting a child through VIOLENT means just,loving,kind and caring?? you  mean too tell me that all the  kids that were  raped,molested,beheaded,abused,decapitated,killed by a drunk driver or died from some deadly painful disease was  the  almighty's way of taking  them off this  planet because it's such a horrible place??? why not just  let them go too  sleep and NOT wake up?? that seems a lot more civilised don't you think?? or how about this why not just keep them  in heaven since this place is so wicked and  horrible? why allow them too be born into  this world  only too take them out later on in such a violent manner?? Does this make any sense too anyone??? NO it doesn't wow  this higher  power is doing them a favor by taking them out of here by having them experience death in a very  VIOLENT way and not even giving  them a choice in the matter.If I was told that at the age of 8 I would be kidnapped by a child molester who would  do what he wanted with me and then strangle me too death  and cut up my body so it's never  found so I could  come be with the  creator cause he loved me so much he wanted too take me out of here I would most definitely  tell him PLEASE NOT LIKE THAT!! is there  any other way?? how about letting me fall asleep  and not wake  up until I'm in heaven?? that way I feel no pain and my parents  grief isn't as severe compared  too dealing with me being kidnapped  and  never  return and one day some  hunter  finds some of my remains in the woods. "GO FIGURE"

                What these people fail to realize is that none of this makes any sense at all. You brought up a great point, and I could easily bring up another 1500 ones just like the one you pointed out. For the life of me, I just can't understand how these people can't see this. It boggles my mind.

                The children dying prematurely every single day, 22,000 plus everyday is just one of a myriad of examples. I don't give a hoot how well you know the Bible. I don't care If you know the Bible backwards by heart. There is nothing anyone can tell me to justify the situation. If God creates souls, then he is totally aware that every single kid he sends down here, every second or two, in those regions where he KNOWS FOR A FACT that they will not live long and die in a painful, torturing manner. Would you send your kid to the center of a hurricane's eye? Would you send your kid to the beach knowing there is a Sunami headed to the beach?

                Not to be disrespectful, but my mind is made up.It has to be mental illness. I can't think of anything else. Sorry for being rash, but the kind of mentality that is being represented on these pages is rash. So it's just as warranted for me to say things like that.

                For anyone, I don't care if your Christian, Muslim, Jewish, or anything else. If they preach that God does things like that knowing full well the consequences, then either God is a very cruel God, or, these people are just mentaly unstable folks who are so brainwashed that they justify those actions with rediculoous arguments only to satisfy some internal desire that they may not even understand.

                It's really a sad state of affairs that in this day and age, we have adults running around still believing in stone age rituals and beleifs . I see tribes on T.V that still run around and dance to some pounding of the drums in remote areas on this planet, but that's because they are isolated from the civilized populations or don't want to change their belief systems. That's easy to swallow. But to have educated (somewhat), folks who have a plethora of Information at their disposal, and still want to practice things that were done thousands of years ago without any scrutiny is beyond me.


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                  before i head out the door truecritic,  maybe you and stack can team up and explain to the board why the BOTH OF YOU didn't go after joker,  since joker was the one that started us going down this road,  and joker was a DISRESPECTFUL jerk in the commision thereof.

                  know why you go after me instead of him?

                  because you 2 won't show up on the integrity radar screen anytime soon.

                  you pick people, opinions and things you don't like over the actual truth in life.

                  if either of you 2 WERE men of integrity,  you would have went after him first

                   

                  i would remind you to "buy a clue",  but neither of you can afford one on your PP "success"

                  This post clearly shows you really don't read what others write. I can't speak for True or Stack, but If you read what they wrote, they are basically saying the same things I'm saying. Maybe that's why they aren't addressing me.

                  Surely True was telling all of us to stop this from going any further, and I agree. All I wanted at the beginning was for you to practice what you preach. You demanded proof, and I demanded proof.

                  You tried answering my question by claiming you know that God made light appear instantly. You can't know what God thinks and does. That's called being mentally unstable. You call it disrespectful, I call it as I see it. What you write is disrespectful to my intelligence.

                  Caliming to know what God has done in the past is a clear indication of an unstable thought process, and that is not an acceptable answer. That's just insulting my intelligence.


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                    I'll even go one step further. Let's say God di make light instantly in the beginning. Just for argument's sake I'll agree with you, even though I don't ,but just for argument's sake.

                    Why would he do that? That again makes no sense whatsover. These arguments are just rediculous in nature.

                    So let me get this straight. Here I go repeating myself again. God gives us brains to think, rationalize, scrutinize, analyze, invent, solve complex problems. Now....God makes light travel instantly. Years go by after the earth is created. Science blooms to the point where humans now have all the attributes of the complex brain God gave to humans. BUT, how is that rational? Why would God purposely confuse humans to think the galaxies are far away, but the laws of physics would discount the idea of an early age universe because of the cosmic speed limit of light which is common place today? Does that make any sense at all? If anything, God would make it easier for humans to accept his words in the Bible by lining up the story timelines so they make sense. It's as if God is going out of his way to make himself even that much more unbelievable. It makes no sense.

                    Do you really beleive God was banking on that Visiondude would eventually come along one day and starighten out the scientists by telling them that God told him that he made light travel instantly? Seriously?

                    Did he also plant the Dinosaur bones in the ground? Or did Dinosaurs live in the Bible days?

                    Did God erode the ground that the water was running on for the Grand Canyon to be formed instantly too?

                    This is comical at best.

                     

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                      What moves at approximately 372,524 miles per second? 

                      P.S. There are laser beams capable of splitting hairs and hares.


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                        What moves at approximately 372,524 miles per second? 

                        P.S. There are laser beams capable of splitting hairs and hares.

                         Eddie Rabbitt invented the laser beam.

                        eddie

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                          Couldn't the whole Quick Pick / Player Pick (System) controversy be solved with statistics?

                           

                          According to the latest back and forth:

                          Quick Picks account for 70% of the tickets sold and 70% of the winning tickets.

                          Player Picks account for 30% of the tickets sold and 30% of the winning tickets.

                          That outcome would be and is in accordance with the odds.

                           

                          My question then is this:

                          If one method of play is better, wouldn't it's winning percentage fare better than it's sales percentage?

                          For instance, if Player Picks are better, shouldn't they garner maybe 35 to 40% of the winners while only accounting for 30% of the sales?

                           

                          If neither method  beats the odds of winning percentage vs. sales percentage, how is one better than the other? 

                          As it stands now, if the percentages are correct, Player Picks win at the same dumb luck rate as Quick Picks

                           

                          It would seem to me that in order to have a definitive answer, one would have to find a little edge, a little bulge in the percentage of wins vs. sales on a consistent basis to prove the superiority of one style of play over the other.

                           

                          Or am I nuts?

                          After some discussion in your thread, here's is what I think about your question.

                          I think your math as you stated it, is correct.  QPs are defined by the Lottery Commission.  They are the tickets you purchase which are printed "quick pick" or similar language.   However, the lottery doesn't track SPs.  They only define SPs as anything other than a QP.  That is where the major difference of opinion comes up.  If someone plays dreams or license plates, it is based on some random event.  It isn't a QP.  But it isn't a self-pick as I would want to define a SP.  I want a SP to be based on some kind of strategy, not just picked out of the air or because I happen to see a license plate.

                          By necessity that would be a system or methodology.  These kind of SPs can be all over the board with their winning percentage.  My gut feeling is that most "systems" that are invented, will perform worse than QPs or equal to QPs. 

                          QPs have a firm record of what you can expect in terms of winners.  They follow the laws of probability.  Because there is so much data available that can be looked at and will produce winners at whatever the odds are for a particular game.  They work for hitting jackpots.   The reason they work for JPs is because it is a huge amount of money.  The lotteries determine the percentage of how much money they take in will be paid out for the JP.  But they don't determine the amount of payoff.  The dollar amount continues to climb (in most cases).  Unlike Pick 3 games where the payoff is always a fixed amount.

                          QPs are not so good for regularly hitting winners in pick 3 / 4 games.  Nor are they necessarily good for hitting small prizes on jackpot games.   A pick 3 straight is 1 out of 1000 - if the payoff was large enough, like a JP game, then you could make a profit with QPs.  But lotteries only give you $500 or maybe $600.  Online, $900.  So it is very important how much you expect to win.  That will make or break a bet.  Any bet.  That is why lotteries and casinos have the edge.  That is why they make money and most players don't.

                          Can you get lucky and beat it?  Yes. Absolutely.  That is probably the best characteristic to have.  Luck!  There are many incidents of pure QP luck.  70% to 80% of JP winners using QPs.  Don't forget, out of millions of tickets sold for MM or other JP game - only one is the winner.  That leaves a LOT of losers.

                          Now there is another group of people.  Let's call them the professional gamblers.  I have never met or read about one that does not use a system or methodology.   I don't know if there are pro lottery players.  Richard Lustig, the 7 time JP winner might be called a pro.  Pro players are not QP players.

                          If a pro can bet and win a profit at the end of a year and repeat that over several years, then it has to be more than luck.  It is a skill they have.  It is something they discovered or learned that will give them an abnormal amount of wins.  Bringing this back to the lottery, it is these kinds of SPs that can and do win more than QPs.

                          So, if you discover something or realize you feel lucky, go with SPs.  Otherwise, stick with QPs on JP games.  It is highly doubtful you could grind out a profit playing QPs on Pick 3. 

                           

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                            Posted: August 20, 2010, 10:44 pm - IP Logged

                            After some discussion in your thread, here's is what I think about your question.

                            I think your math as you stated it, is correct.  QPs are defined by the Lottery Commission.  They are the tickets you purchase which are printed "quick pick" or similar language.   However, the lottery doesn't track SPs.  They only define SPs as anything other than a QP.  That is where the major difference of opinion comes up.  If someone plays dreams or license plates, it is based on some random event.  It isn't a QP.  But it isn't a self-pick as I would want to define a SP.  I want a SP to be based on some kind of strategy, not just picked out of the air or because I happen to see a license plate.

                            By necessity that would be a system or methodology.  These kind of SPs can be all over the board with their winning percentage.  My gut feeling is that most "systems" that are invented, will perform worse than QPs or equal to QPs. 

                            QPs have a firm record of what you can expect in terms of winners.  They follow the laws of probability.  Because there is so much data available that can be looked at and will produce winners at whatever the odds are for a particular game.  They work for hitting jackpots.   The reason they work for JPs is because it is a huge amount of money.  The lotteries determine the percentage of how much money they take in will be paid out for the JP.  But they don't determine the amount of payoff.  The dollar amount continues to climb (in most cases).  Unlike Pick 3 games where the payoff is always a fixed amount.

                            QPs are not so good for regularly hitting winners in pick 3 / 4 games.  Nor are they necessarily good for hitting small prizes on jackpot games.   A pick 3 straight is 1 out of 1000 - if the payoff was large enough, like a JP game, then you could make a profit with QPs.  But lotteries only give you $500 or maybe $600.  Online, $900.  So it is very important how much you expect to win.  That will make or break a bet.  Any bet.  That is why lotteries and casinos have the edge.  That is why they make money and most players don't.

                            Can you get lucky and beat it?  Yes. Absolutely.  That is probably the best characteristic to have.  Luck!  There are many incidents of pure QP luck.  70% to 80% of JP winners using QPs.  Don't forget, out of millions of tickets sold for MM or other JP game - only one is the winner.  That leaves a LOT of losers.

                            Now there is another group of people.  Let's call them the professional gamblers.  I have never met or read about one that does not use a system or methodology.   I don't know if there are pro lottery players.  Richard Lustig, the 7 time JP winner might be called a pro.  Pro players are not QP players.

                            If a pro can bet and win a profit at the end of a year and repeat that over several years, then it has to be more than luck.  It is a skill they have.  It is something they discovered or learned that will give them an abnormal amount of wins.  Bringing this back to the lottery, it is these kinds of SPs that can and do win more than QPs.

                            So, if you discover something or realize you feel lucky, go with SPs.  Otherwise, stick with QPs on JP games.  It is highly doubtful you could grind out a profit playing QPs on Pick 3. 

                             

                            ooooo,  i check in,  and joker resorts back to the bomb and spray method.

                            why?   because joker doesn't have enough in the tank to do the one thing at a time fair version of a debate

                            weak positioned people play the game this way.

                            you would think for an unbeliever he would not be so psychotic about "disproving"  something that supposedly means nothing to him.

                            he ardously hunts believers,  that's not "searching behavior"

                            oh he will tell you he is "searching for answers",  but that's a lie because people that exhibit "searching behavior"  don't act disrespectful and psychotic to others in the course of said "searching",   nor do they exhibit out of control behavior.

                            people "searching"  may DISAGREE along the way about info they come across,  even rejecting it,  and that's perfectly acceptable behavior.

                            but when at your every chance you disrespectfully throw your garbage can around the room for sport,  your a jerk,  and not even CLOSE to "searching".   

                             your out to cause harm to others,  and THAT'S your only motivation

                            your not doing this to learn joker,  your out to make God "dispappear",  especially in the beliefs of others.

                            on any level in life,  in and OUTSIDE of religious values,  there is no way you will end up on the "good side"  of that push.

                            i callz it az i seez it...........your not "searching".........your just a trolling - trouble causing jerk.

                            your demeanor follows your claims about "searching"  around like a black cloud

                                        "i am .........."meant to"       

                            P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

                                     until further notice,  it's  france everyday


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                              Posted: August 20, 2010, 11:03 pm - IP Logged

                              ooooo,  i check in,  and joker resorts back to the bomb and spray method.

                              why?   because joker doesn't have enough in the tank to do the one thing at a time fair version of a debate

                              weak positioned people play the game this way.

                              you would think for an unbeliever he would not be so psychotic about "disproving"  something that supposedly means nothing to him.

                              he ardously hunts believers,  that's not "searching behavior"

                              oh he will tell you he is "searching for answers",  but that's a lie because people that exhibit "searching behavior"  don't act disrespectful and psychotic to others in the course of said "searching",   nor do they exhibit out of control behavior.

                              people "searching"  may DISAGREE along the way about info they come across,  even rejecting it,  and that's perfectly acceptable behavior.

                              but when at your every chance you disrespectfully throw your garbage can around the room for sport,  your a jerk,  and not even CLOSE to "searching".   

                               your out to cause harm to others,  and THAT'S your only motivation

                              your not doing this to learn joker,  your out to make God "dispappear",  especially in the beliefs of others.

                              on any level in life,  in and OUTSIDE of religious values,  there is no way you will end up on the "good side"  of that push.

                              i callz it az i seez it...........your not "searching".........your just a trolling - trouble causing jerk.

                              your demeanor follows your claims about "searching"  around like a black cloud

                              Joker?.....You got the wrong guy. You quoted treucritic when writing the above quote. Get with it man.

                              Who are you talking to? Get with the program...lol

                                 
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