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# How Random is Random?

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"I don't believe there will ever be a mathematical formula to produce the winning combination."

but a couple of years ago we had an interesting discussion on using recently drawn numbers that produced 5 + 0 MM matches and a jackpot (on paper). It's probably just one of those weird coincidences, but MM changed the matrix shortly afterwards.

That's still happening as recent as three months ago.

05/15/15 - 11 17 21 36 74 +15
05/12/15 - 14 30 33 36 44 +02
05/08/15 - 09 21 25 66 72 +07
05/05/15 - 11 21 42 62 71 +07
05/01/15 - 17 18 61 66 74 +03

In fact since the matrix changed 188 drawings ago there were 7 times where all five winning numbers had hit within the previous ten drawings and 40 times that at least four of the winning numbers had hit in the previous 10 drawings.

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That's still happening as recent as three months ago.

05/15/15 - 11 17 21 36 74 +15
05/12/15 - 14 30 33 36 44 +02
05/08/15 - 09 21 25 66 72 +07
05/05/15 - 11 21 42 62 71 +07
05/01/15 - 17 18 61 66 74 +03

In fact since the matrix changed 188 drawings ago there were 7 times where all five winning numbers had hit within the previous ten drawings and 40 times that at least four of the winning numbers had hit in the previous 10 drawings.

All five winning numbers being in the previous ten drawings also happened twice in the last four PB drawings.  The smaller the number pool the more likely that will happen so PB is going to increase its number pool too.

08/01/15 - 07 13 24 49 57 +15
07/29/15 - 04 22 27 28 52 +35
07/25/15 - 27 29 34 41 44 +02
07/22/15 - 12 31 43 44 57 +11
07/18/15 - 06 37 39 45 55 +33
07/15/15 - 13 16 34 45 50 +11
07/11/15 - 11 39 46 52 54 +03
07/08/15 - 04 15 25 27 30 +18
07/04/15 - 03 06 14 18 24 +21
07/01/15 - 07 24 26 31 41 +25
06/27/15 - 18 28 35 46 49 +27

07/29/15 - 04 22 27 28 52 +35
07/25/15 - 27 29 34 41 44 +02
07/22/15 - 12 31 43 44 57 +11
07/18/15 - 06 37 39 45 55 +33
07/15/15 - 13 16 34 45 50 +11
07/11/15 - 11 39 46 52 54 +03
07/08/15 - 04 15 25 27 30 +18
07/04/15 - 03 06 14 18 24 +21
07/01/15 - 07 24 26 31 41 +25
06/27/15 - 18 28 35 46 49 +27
06/24/15 - 03 05 10 22 32 +07

That has happened 17 times in the 372 drawings since the bonus ball pool was reduced.

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That's still happening as recent as three months ago.

05/15/15 - 11 17 21 36 74 +15
05/12/15 - 14 30 33 36 44 +02
05/08/15 - 09 21 25 66 72 +07
05/05/15 - 11 21 42 62 71 +07
05/01/15 - 17 18 61 66 74 +03

In fact since the matrix changed 188 drawings ago there were 7 times where all five winning numbers had hit within the previous ten drawings and 40 times that at least four of the winning numbers had hit in the previous 10 drawings.

I remember several thread about using recently drawn numbers to get your next play. I can't related (in my mind) how counting up the hits in the last 15 draws and playing the numbers that hit most equates to a formula.

Bt I'm open to being educated how it does.

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I remember several thread about using recently drawn numbers to get your next play. I can't related (in my mind) how counting up the hits in the last 15 draws and playing the numbers that hit most equates to a formula.

Bt I'm open to being educated how it does.

Apparently neither did Ronnie, the originator of the thread Stack linked  to.  He gave it a shot and stopped posting almost two years ago.

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Random is as random does.

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I remember several thread about using recently drawn numbers to get your next play. I can't related (in my mind) how counting up the hits in the last 15 draws and playing the numbers that hit most equates to a formula.

Bt I'm open to being educated how it does.

In a 6/49 game you can get all 6 from the last 10 drawings about 30% of the time, but that still leaves you with 40 numbers, or so, to pick from.  That's  where random comes in -- those numbers are flying around like popcorn in a hot pan!

At best, limiting the pool to skips of less than 10, 15 or any other number is, at best, a first step in picking your numbers.  We need many, many more tools in our kit to beat random, even the constrained random presented by the lottery.

"There is no such thing as luck; only adequate or inadequate preparation to cope with a statistical universe."

~Robert A. Heinlein

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In a 6/49 game you can get all 6 from the last 10 drawings about 30% of the time, but that still leaves you with 40 numbers, or so, to pick from.  That's  where random comes in -- those numbers are flying around like popcorn in a hot pan!

At best, limiting the pool to skips of less than 10, 15 or any other number is, at best, a first step in picking your numbers.  We need many, many more tools in our kit to beat random, even the constrained random presented by the lottery.

"In a 6/49 game you can get all 6 from the last 10 drawings about 30% of the time"

In the local 6/49 game which I track Ohio's Classic Lotto, it's even worst.  Of its 1338 drawings only 194 have had all six winning numbers in the previous ten drawings (less than 15%).  Even if there was something unique about how those six numbers were drawn from that group you would be losing 85% of the time waiting for that condition to happen.  Although the overall odds of winning even the smallest prize of \$2 are 1:54, it would seem like a waste of time to use a system that accepts that as normal.

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Apparently neither did Ronnie, the originator of the thread Stack linked  to.  He gave it a shot and stopped posting almost two years ago.

RJOH, yeah Ronnie was the one but I couldn't remember his name.

Tia, I enjoyed working on your Cash5 system. I learned something and liked that it worked. You presented a clear step by step process, not what I would call a formula, although when programming it there was a need to employ formulas to get the actual projection.

My idea of a formula is the QB rating or ERA. Something where you plug in values and boom! It pops out a set of number to play.

Overall my mindset is if it works for you use it!

My greatest accomplishment is teaching cats about Vienna Sausage. When I need a friend, all I need do is walk outside, pop open a can, and every little critter in the neighborhood drops by to say "Hi!"

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RJOH, yeah Ronnie was the one but I couldn't remember his name.

Tia, I enjoyed working on your Cash5 system. I learned something and liked that it worked. You presented a clear step by step process, not what I would call a formula, although when programming it there was a need to employ formulas to get the actual projection.

My idea of a formula is the QB rating or ERA. Something where you plug in values and boom! It pops out a set of number to play.

Overall my mindset is if it works for you use it!

"My idea of a formula is the QB rating or ERA. Something where you plug in values and boom! It pops out a set of number to play."

That's easy enough to do but just having a set of numbers to play doesn't make the cut unless they have 3 or more of the winning numbers.

Tonight I played 10 lines for OCL and the best I did was a match2.  Several times I had a set of numbers that matched the profile that I was looking for but rejected them because all six numbers had hit in the last four or five drawings.  After the drawing I found out 5of6 of the winning numbers had hit in the previous five drawings and when I checked my reject file I had rejected three match3.  Match3 only pay \$2 so I wasn't too upset but had I rejected a match5 it would have been a different story.  A lesson I have learned many time before is trust the system if it's based on good data and leave hunches out of the mix.

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Apparently neither did Ronnie, the originator of the thread Stack linked  to.  He gave it a shot and stopped posting almost two years ago.

Ronnie316 is a "guest" on the members list. He had KY Cash Ball thread that used recently drawn numbers strategy too.

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Ronnie316 is a "guest" on the members list. He had KY Cash Ball thread that used recently drawn numbers strategy too.

Didn't realize he went from being a member to being a "guest", that explains why he stopped posting.  Maybe he had better luck with KY Cash Ball if it's anything like Ohio's Rolling Cash5(5/39) which had all 5 winning numbers in the 15 numbers from the previous four drawings which happened more than 40 times in its history.  Jackpots aren't big but if you're just interested in winning then they'll do.

06/19/15 - 13 15 26 27 38
06/18/15 - 05 09 20 26 32
06/17/15 - 13 25 32 36 38
06/16/15 - 05 16 20 31 38
06/15/15 - 05 06 15 27 34

* you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket *

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Hello, rjoh can use the cycle of numbers then catch the last draw and go
To leave the last number of the lottery, as is size 49/6 60/6 59/6 lottery =
You can see the amount of draw required to end the cycle (out all the numbers and start again, in this cycle, there are numbers that came out several times, while others only once, and another cycle these same numbers that came out more often in the 1st cycle
Will keep coming out several times ???

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Hello, rjoh can use the cycle of numbers then catch the last draw and go
To leave the last number of the lottery, as is size 49/6 60/6 59/6 lottery =
You can see the amount of draw required to end the cycle (out all the numbers and start again, in this cycle, there are numbers that came out several times, while others only once, and another cycle these same numbers that came out more often in the 1st cycle
Will keep coming out several times ???

True but locally I only have 5/39 and 6/49 games and the smaller the matrix, the better.  If useful at all it would probably apply best to the 5/39 game.

* you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket *

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Didn't realize he went from being a member to being a "guest", that explains why he stopped posting.  Maybe he had better luck with KY Cash Ball if it's anything like Ohio's Rolling Cash5(5/39) which had all 5 winning numbers in the 15 numbers from the previous four drawings which happened more than 40 times in its history.  Jackpots aren't big but if you're just interested in winning then they'll do.

06/19/15 - 13 15 26 27 38
06/18/15 - 05 09 20 26 32
06/17/15 - 13 25 32 36 38
06/16/15 - 05 16 20 31 38
06/15/15 - 05 06 15 27 34

Cash Ball is 4/33 + 1/31 with a \$200,000 fixed jackpot and offers a 50 cent wager to win \$100,000.

bgonÃ§alves
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within the limits of each lottery, the natural selection of numbers, it is done through a factor of probability in their positions in a coordinate effect now the problem is how to find these standards ???

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