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RJOh's avatar - chipmunk
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within the limits of each lottery, the natural selection of numbers, it is done through a factor of probability in their positions in a coordinate effect now the problem is how to find these standards ???

"now the problem is how to find these standards ???"

Now that you know what the problem is, you can start working on a solution.  Good luck.

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    RJ

    I think Ronnie got booted.

    RL

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      RJ

      I think Ronnie got booted.

      RL

      I kinda figured that after Stack mentioned he was last listed as a "guest".

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        rojh, stars form patterns (drawing as a matrix) example Alpha Crucis (southern cruise), then the steles can give us indications to view drawings in the matrix of a lottery !!

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          rojh, stars form patterns (drawing as a matrix) example Alpha Crucis (southern cruise), then the steles can give us indications to view drawings in the matrix of a lottery !!

          "rojh, stars form patterns"

          So do random lottery drawings but I wouldn't have any idea of how to take advantage of this even as last night MM drawing repeated a pattern that has happened in 10% of its previous drawings.   I'm guessing no one else does either since there wasn't a match5 winner in last night's drawing.  It's the only game I've found where one pattern has repeated so often, in other games the most popular patterns repeat less than 5% of the times.

           * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning one * 
             
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            Same with me, I accept random is unpredictable but that's no reason to not try predicting the results of the next drawing using information about previous drawings. 

            I can do no worst than QP's plus I can avoid duplicates and repeats which seldom happens in the games I play.  Besides I play jackpot games where being right once is a life time is good enough.

            @unpredicatable random

            1) For a lottery we have a machine which is the same or a spare one at each drawing.
            2) The ball sets may change, but the size and the amount of drawn numbers or balls is the same.

            @what doesn't happen

            We won't have only 5 numbers drawn for a pick 6.

            @what can we think

            Eventually due to the balls located at the same place and all constant variables like for example the game size,
            wouldn't it be possible that the random mathematics is falling on the nose?

            Accepting blindly that random mathematics is true, is ending in two understandings.
            A) any case can be, all theories of lotterypost are wrong, and they are.
            B) joining A), there are dominant cases that you might try to find, but you have trouble with this as there are too many cases and the lifteime of the game might even be shorter than your own lifetime.
            C) any working trick might be hidden anyway, you don't want to dilute your payout, and this is rule number one, and if it is not, then your are a full blooded IDIOT.

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              @Garyo

              You are a full blooded obfuscator

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                Sorry, but I don't understand how this ongoing discussion is going to help anyone choose winning numbers.
                Lottery officials no doubt at one point decided that the drawing equipment they bought will provide results that are sufficiently
                random for lottery play.
                Personally, I think the machines are doing a good job.
                Random is an interesting topic, but, face it, if the drawing equipment was the same as our government uses to encrypt classified material there
                wouldn't be many winners and ultimately, no game.
                It is what it is.
                All we can do is study the results and try to find ways to win.
                My opinion, of course.

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                  Sorry, but I don't understand how this ongoing discussion is going to help anyone choose winning numbers.
                  Lottery officials no doubt at one point decided that the drawing equipment they bought will provide results that are sufficiently
                  random for lottery play.
                  Personally, I think the machines are doing a good job.
                  Random is an interesting topic, but, face it, if the drawing equipment was the same as our government uses to encrypt classified material there
                  wouldn't be many winners and ultimately, no game.
                  It is what it is.
                  All we can do is study the results and try to find ways to win.
                  My opinion, of course.

                  "Sorry, but I don't understand how this ongoing discussion is going to help anyone choose winning numbers."

                  Sometimes it's having a clear understanding of what we don't understand keeps us from going down a road that leads to nowhere.  If this thread accomplishes no more than that then it will have been well worth the read.

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                    Sorry, but I don't understand how this ongoing discussion is going to help anyone choose winning numbers.
                    Lottery officials no doubt at one point decided that the drawing equipment they bought will provide results that are sufficiently
                    random for lottery play.
                    Personally, I think the machines are doing a good job.
                    Random is an interesting topic, but, face it, if the drawing equipment was the same as our government uses to encrypt classified material there
                    wouldn't be many winners and ultimately, no game.
                    It is what it is.
                    All we can do is study the results and try to find ways to win.
                    My opinion, of course.

                    Too lazy to pull up charts. Hopefully it gives an avenue to explore. As a certain poster on this page said: my ob-foo is strong.

                    On the surface it may appear to be a dumb thread. But a first time reader/guest can visit every forum (and almost any thread) and see the word random. Everybody has a opinion of what random is; everybody uses it; so what happens when people are given the option of defining what they mean by random?

                    My greatest accomplishment is teaching cats about Vienna Sausage. When I need a friend, all I need do is walk outside, pop open a can, and every little critter in the neighborhood drops by to say "Hi!"

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                      @Garyo

                      You are a full blooded obfuscator

                      I wish I was an obfuscator.

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                        Too lazy to pull up charts. Hopefully it gives an avenue to explore. As a certain poster on this page said: my ob-foo is strong.

                        On the surface it may appear to be a dumb thread. But a first time reader/guest can visit every forum (and almost any thread) and see the word random. Everybody has a opinion of what random is; everybody uses it; so what happens when people are given the option of defining what they mean by random?

                        "Everybody has a opinion of what random is; everybody uses it; so what happens when people are given the option of defining what they mean by random?"

                        Based on lots of the systems in this forum (especially pick-3 and pick-4 systems), their definitions of random can't apply to drawings. If a system includes adding, subtracting or whatever to specific drawings to create future results, the drawings cannot be random because the results are known decades before. 

                        "If it works, you can plan your plays as far ahead as you like. Want to know the winning four digits for draw 7354? Just do the math BOOM! There it is."

                        The "make a digit pyramid using the month, day, and year" uses 21 digits, many of them multiple, but 3 digits don't appear in "today's workout". Don't want to knock anybodies system, but only 6 out of the 24 drawings matched three of today's digits and the pick-4 only did only slightly better with 10 matches. Without any instructions on which 3 or 4 digits to use, it's not really a system at all.

                        Creating another self designed-random drawing trying to match the real drawing results isn't much different than using a lottery terminal QPs.


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                          "Everybody has a opinion of what random is; everybody uses it; so what happens when people are given the option of defining what they mean by random?"

                          Based on lots of the systems in this forum (especially pick-3 and pick-4 systems), their definitions of random can't apply to drawings. If a system includes adding, subtracting or whatever to specific drawings to create future results, the drawings cannot be random because the results are known decades before. 

                          "If it works, you can plan your plays as far ahead as you like. Want to know the winning four digits for draw 7354? Just do the math BOOM! There it is."

                          The "make a digit pyramid using the month, day, and year" uses 21 digits, many of them multiple, but 3 digits don't appear in "today's workout". Don't want to knock anybodies system, but only 6 out of the 24 drawings matched three of today's digits and the pick-4 only did only slightly better with 10 matches. Without any instructions on which 3 or 4 digits to use, it's not really a system at all.

                          Creating another self designed-random drawing trying to match the real drawing results isn't much different than using a lottery terminal QPs.

                          they will eventually hit somewhere

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                            they will eventually hit somewhere

                            jsnake

                            023 "eventually hit" in Ohio; after over 11,000 misses.

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                              Too lazy to pull up charts. Hopefully it gives an avenue to explore. As a certain poster on this page said: my ob-foo is strong.

                              On the surface it may appear to be a dumb thread. But a first time reader/guest can visit every forum (and almost any thread) and see the word random. Everybody has a opinion of what random is; everybody uses it; so what happens when people are given the option of defining what they mean by random?

                              Random?

                              https://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/random

                              https://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/learner/random

                              My own definition of "Random":

                              "Statistical probability", maybe for people to better understand I will write:

                              "Statistical chance", but that is not quite right, "Statistical probability" is as close as right as I can define "Random", but to me there is no "random" there instead is "Statistical probability", of course, I might be wrong, but I don't think so.

                                 
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