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Predicting winning numbers? Fact or fiction?

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Do you REALLY think it is possible to predict winning numbers?

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Oh ok...So nine draws back is when the peak of 57 hits were. Now I get it. Interesting!

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    So it will give you the high draw rate with the low skip rate? Keeping only those to look at and eliminating the low draw rate with the high skip rate? I think that's what I'm seeing and your going for?

    It gives you the "High draw rate" with the End Skip, not necessarily the low skip.  However if the Targeted Skip is present you would get only those numbers with the correct skip.

    When I said it was a bit more complicated, what I mean is that I also Count hits (matching skip range) in Each Cycle by Line and add up the hits from the 12 or so Cycles.  I then arrange these lines in descending Hits order and Create 5 More Zones to use in the Same Way.  The Reductions are about the same but the mix is different.

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      I am completing a Word Document that explains the process in detail.  It includes very important pictures of the data.  Being a Standard Guy, It is to difficult to put an image in a Post, therefore if you send me you email address by PM, I can forward the file to you that Way.

      The Files run 5_39 (Calif and Ohio) and 5_35 (Texas). 

      Greenfox, or anyone, Send me the Draw History for your Game and I will add it to the mix

      Allen


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        I am completing a Word Document that explains the process in detail.  It includes very important pictures of the data.  Being a Standard Guy, It is to difficult to put an image in a Post, therefore if you send me you email address by PM, I can forward the file to you that Way.

        The Files run 5_39 (Calif and Ohio) and 5_35 (Texas). 

        Greenfox, or anyone, Send me the Draw History for your Game and I will add it to the mix

        Allen

        Sorry. I was playing around with that a little. I got ya now. As far as what you've explained to.

        I can send you the NC games. Do they need to be ascending, descending or does it matter? There is a .csv file on the NC website but it is ascending. If you need descending though, I have that converted on my books and get a set uploaded with a link.

        You can't steal second and keep your foot on FIRST!!!

        “Strength does not come from winning. Your struggles develop your strengths.
        When you go through hardships and decide not to surrender, that is strength”.

        -Arnold (Ahnald) Schwarzenegger-

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          Sorry. I was playing around with that a little. I got ya now. As far as what you've explained to.

          I can send you the NC games. Do they need to be ascending, descending or does it matter? There is a .csv file on the NC website but it is ascending. If you need descending though, I have that converted on my books and get a set uploaded with a link.

          As long as the Date and Draw numbers are present, any order is good,  I will arrange in Order with last draw on top.


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            As long as the Date and Draw numbers are present, any order is good,  I will arrange in Order with last draw on top.

            Shoot. I'll just do this. It'll be faster for you and me and it will have what you're looking for in that order.

            NC Cash 5 past draws

            It'll download faster than I can upload it. Scroll down to the last game and click on the here.

            I get all my draws from right there.

             I wish all lottery sites had that option on there. It makes it so much faster.

            You can't steal second and keep your foot on FIRST!!!

            “Strength does not come from winning. Your struggles develop your strengths.
            When you go through hardships and decide not to surrender, that is strength”.

            -Arnold (Ahnald) Schwarzenegger-

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              Shoot. I'll just do this. It'll be faster for you and me and it will have what you're looking for in that order.

              NC Cash 5 past draws

              It'll download faster than I can upload it. Scroll down to the last game and click on the here.

              I get all my draws from right there.

               I wish all lottery sites had that option on there. It makes it so much faster.

              Got it. NC is a 5_43 Draw.

              I am going to have to add 4 Lines of Data to get from 39 to 43. 

              I will do that Tomorrow. 

              I have been thinking about Super Lotto anyway so I might as well expand it to 49 and see if the Old Boy can carry the weight.

              I'll get back to you

              If you do not want to give your email address, I can put the Instructions on OneDrive, but that is a pain and to open to post the link here.  I like to know where my stuff goes and to see it go where it will be evaluated leading to some feedback leading to an improved process.


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                Got it. NC is a 5_43 Draw.

                I am going to have to add 4 Lines of Data to get from 39 to 43. 

                I will do that Tomorrow. 

                I have been thinking about Super Lotto anyway so I might as well expand it to 49 and see if the Old Boy can carry the weight.

                I'll get back to you

                If you do not want to give your email address, I can put the Instructions on OneDrive, but that is a pain and to open to post the link here.  I like to know where my stuff goes and to see it go where it will be evaluated leading to some feedback leading to an improved process.

                Yeah, there's a few more numbers here but not many. If it's gonna cost you extra work and changing it all around, Don't worry about it. If it will help with your testing though, lay it to it.

                Sent it to you. I'd post it here, but don't know how Todd would feel about that. I'm sure I stay on the verge of banishment most of the time anyway and don't want to push it.

                Im kind of testing it out already with the data you posted on page 17 with what little I know about what you're attempting.

                You can't steal second and keep your foot on FIRST!!!

                “Strength does not come from winning. Your struggles develop your strengths.
                When you go through hardships and decide not to surrender, that is strength”.

                -Arnold (Ahnald) Schwarzenegger-


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                  I am completing a Word Document that explains the process in detail.  It includes very important pictures of the data.  Being a Standard Guy, It is to difficult to put an image in a Post, therefore if you send me you email address by PM, I can forward the file to you that Way.

                  The Files run 5_39 (Calif and Ohio) and 5_35 (Texas). 

                  Greenfox, or anyone, Send me the Draw History for your Game and I will add it to the mix

                  Allen

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                  Being a Standard Guy, It is to difficult to put an image in a Post,...

                  Actually, you can put pictures on LP quite easily. even as the standard member. Todd himself suggested how to do that and I use it. Go to Imgur website (Google their location) and open an account which is free. Scan your docs as gif or even better as png and upload to Imgur. Click on uploaded image. It will show you a direct link to the image right in Imgur. Copy the link (Control C). Paste it in your LP post. It will show up in the post. BTY, Imgur does not charge for posting images or linking to them.

                  ......

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                    Thank You That was indeed Easy.

                    And now I can see all of the Cat Pictures as Well.


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                      AllenB

                      Being a Standard Guy, It is to difficult to put an image in a Post,...

                      Actually, you can put pictures on LP quite easily. even as the standard member. Todd himself suggested how to do that and I use it. Go to Imgur website (Google their location) and open an account which is free. Scan your docs as gif or even better as png and upload to Imgur. Click on uploaded image. It will show you a direct link to the image right in Imgur. Copy the link (Control C). Paste it in your LP post. It will show up in the post. BTY, Imgur does not charge for posting images or linking to them.

                      That's the same site I use to post pics. It's just easier for me. Used to use another one, but they started charging and it was a ridiculous amount for what it was. Every pic I had on here from there is now locked and useless. Plus on Imgur, you can set it to re-size automatically to different sizes during upload. Works well.

                      You can't steal second and keep your foot on FIRST!!!

                      “Strength does not come from winning. Your struggles develop your strengths.
                      When you go through hardships and decide not to surrender, that is strength”.

                      -Arnold (Ahnald) Schwarzenegger-


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                        Well, can't get a standard for pick options set. Other than what I am just thinking so, I'll get back to this and leave it at that. This will be here for the 2 that has these books, the one that has the videos on them and for the future of them and whoever ends up with them after I'm gone and can no longer work on them.

                        Years ago, I had this thought that maybe one month would produce a certain number/s or sum product of certain number/s. So, I made a book testing that. I can't remember those results and they are locked with the password being long forgotten. Instead of digging them out and trying to figure out what or how to implement that into these, I just decided to create it all anew with the data that I have.

                        These working off of percentages to give me a pool to play with. (That pool comes off of what my workbook shows BTW and doesn't necessarily mean that lowest pick will always be low.) Tuning these percentages will allow more or less options per pick. Each pick has it's own starting position of average. A higher percentage in it's designated cell means you will have less options. A lower means you will have more. Before, I had these set up as a standing percentage across the board for all five picks. Ran all the draws with that data and had it go into a book. From there I went up in 1% increments and recorded the data in that same book. Did so in 3% to 6%. In those results picks 1 and 5 I could have stuck to a very very small starting pool for options and did well with those. Pick 2 needed a few more options and 3 and 4 needed the most to give plenty of hits and wins of 4 or 5 of 5.

                        3rd and 4th picks needing more at higher percentages got me thinking. Why always just those two? With those two picks showing up in such a high percentage rate in the pick stage of four subsets, why do they need more options. Before going any further, ALL picks show up in those 4 of 64 subsets the most. All of them. They all scatter about to others more often than the 3rd and 4th pick though. 3 and 4 is about 95% accurate of being in those four subs. The others are around 75% and better. A little more give or take. So I guess it's a wash on that. Anyway, those two picks need more options, with the 2nd pick needing less and the 1st and 5th needing very few.

                        Tuning these with percentages, and with a non-moving one as that, is not allowing it to adapt on it's own. The numbers flow, so the system must flow as well to adapt. The more numbers that are drawn, the more changes are made inside the numbers and their workings. I believe that me keeping the same percentage for each position, separate and different percentages for each pick, but not flowing with the draw changes is why it isn't as efficient as it should be. By allowing those percentages to move freely with the numbers as they are drawn, and making them move as changes are made, will allow it to adapt to the conditions. That is where I am now.

                        I created a book that will show me how many options per pick, how many hits per pick and how many wins per month and at what percentage it does this at. I will be able to run say December of 1990, Dec. of 1991 and so on up to 2050 if needed, have all that data right in from of me and know exactly what has happened in every month for the entire run on one sheet. I will run January through Dec. for the entire run in one book. Then I have a sheet that will show me each months data for the full run where I will know exactly how to make these adapt on their own. I'm running stats in .05% increments of average all the way up as needed and created macros for each month that will run and I just change each percentage in .05% increments, let it run, paste the results and let it run again.

                        Right now, for the month of December from 2007 to 2019 for the Cash 5 and 43 options here are some stats.

                        At the average for each position:

                        Games with win possibilities.

                        A minimum of three 5 of 5's. A max of 11. With an average of 7 per month. A minimum of seven 4 of 5's. A max of 15 with an average of 10 per month. That's from 2007 to 2019.

                        Hits per position shown up.

                        Pick 1: 19 minimum hits, 28 max hits and an average of 23 games of 31.

                        Pick 2: 17 min., 25 max., and 22 avg of 31 draws.

                        Pick 3: 13 min., 28 max., 22 avg.  of 31 draws.

                        Pick 4: 16 min., 28 max., 23 avg. of 31 draws.

                        Pick 5: 20 min.,  28 max., 23 avg. of 31 draws.

                        Average starting options per pick are as follows:

                        Pick 1: 10, Pick 2: 17, Pick 3: 18, Pick 4: 19, Pick 5: 11.

                         

                        Going to jump up to average at 1.45% then explain. (Not going to make sense until I finish and explain.)

                        Games with win possibilities.

                        A minimum of one 5 of 5. A max of Five 5 of 5's. An average of two 5 of 5's per month. A minimum of two 4 of 5's. Max of nine 4 of 5's. Avg. of six 4 of 5's.

                        Hits per position showing up.

                        Pick 1: 15 min., 26 max., 20 avg. of 31 draws.

                        Pick 2: 12 min., 17 max., 15 avg. of 31 draws.

                        Pick 3: 8 min., 19 max., 14 avg. of 31 draws.

                        Pick 4: 10 min., 27 max., 16 avg. of 31 draws.

                        Pick 5: 17 min., 27 max., 21 avg. of 32 draws.

                         

                        Average starting options per pick as follows:

                        Pick 1: 8, Pick 2: 10, Pick 3: 11, Pick 4: 13, Pick 5: 9.

                         

                        What this tells me so far is that for pick 1, I can go to at least 1.45% of the average for December and it will give me an average of 8 options to start with and I will still have my winning number to choose from an average of 20 out of 31 games. For instance, at 1.20% of average for pick 1, I had an average of 9 options to start with and still kept an average of 22 games out of 31 draws. So I know that keeping my parameters and allowing this and forcing it to change, I can cut from 10 options to 8 for the first pick and only drop my hits per game average from 22 to 20, still keeping me at a high enough average that that first number will be there. At 1.45% there was only one month out of 12 that there was 15 hits showed. That was in 2007. Two times that 17 hits showed, 2018 and 2019. Six of those 12 months the average was from 21 to 26 hits.

                        Skip to the third pick. Since that is a harder one to cut out starters with. At average I'm showing an average of 18 options for the third pick out of 12 months to give me an average of 22 hits per month. At 1.40% though, I can cut those down to an average of 11 options to start with for the 3rd pick and still keep an average of 17 games out of 31 that it is there for an option.

                        So now I know that I can let the first picks parameters stay around at least 1.45%, let it build and grow as the draws change and still have that first pick showing to choose from around 20 games per month with an average of 8 options to start with. I already know that I can go to around 1.75% of average and still keep real close to that on the first pick.

                        I also know that I can keep the third picks parameters around 1.40%., keep around 11 options to start with and still have around 17 games per month that my winning number is in that pool of 11 options. 1.40% may not sound like much, but when you figure in how close these draws really are and you are cutting out a total of 7 numbers for an options with still keeping your winning option over half the time, on average, it's pretty significant.

                        By doing it in .05% increments, it will let me know where the best hit, win,  option to draw ratio is and I can set it to where it will perform at it's peak. The averages will change with each draw and that will force those percentages to adapt with each draw. It will keep the calculations flowing with the draws as it should. It will keep it true as far as the inner mathematics of it.

                        By doing each month of the year for the full run and keeping that data on it's own sheets, I can decide if a certain month/s draws are special and needs a different percentage and I can make it adjust to that percentage as needed. Maybe an odd year will have something special in it that it needs to adjust for? Or an even?

                        Getting every bit of the data in one book is the only way I'll know for sure. From there it's just deciding what happens the most where, setting those % cells to adjust accordingly and letting it run.

                        I know. WHAT IS THIS GUY TALKING ABOUT? LOL.

                        All I can tell you is the 2 other that has these books, possibly 3 and if he does, that's ok with me, I trust him also, will understand. If the third has watched the videos, he will at least understand what I'm saying here. I don't know how far along the third has gotten with the videos, or if he has even looked at them, but once you do it will make sense. If he is interested in the books, he can get the links from me or where he got the videos from. This is for you 3 for the most part. So you will know what I'm doing and what to do. You are the ones that will have this to carry on one day. If it's something you think is worthwhile that is. I don't even care about credit for it. As long as it performs right and I know it does is all I'm looking for. Someone carrying it on, if it's worth it, is actually helping me. So thank you to you 3 for even looking at them!

                        Off here and back to work. Goodnight guys and gals!

                        You can't steal second and keep your foot on FIRST!!!

                        “Strength does not come from winning. Your struggles develop your strengths.
                        When you go through hardships and decide not to surrender, that is strength”.

                        -Arnold (Ahnald) Schwarzenegger-


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                          Sorry, that would be 13 months of data in the previous post instead of 12. I just did mental subtraction as 2019-2007. It's actually 13 full months. No averages was posted from that info, but it would have been 13 full months of December data. Which I guess if more hits in 12 months was ok, then more hits in 13 would only be better. Just correcting a mental calculation error so I don't post a lie.

                          You can't steal second and keep your foot on FIRST!!!

                          “Strength does not come from winning. Your struggles develop your strengths.
                          When you go through hardships and decide not to surrender, that is strength”.

                          -Arnold (Ahnald) Schwarzenegger-


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                            A little video I put together for tracking even/odd.

                            Just got it uploaded a bit ago if anyone's interested.

                            Yes, that's my real hillbilly voice. Sorry, is what I am.

                            You can't steal second and keep your foot on FIRST!!!

                            “Strength does not come from winning. Your struggles develop your strengths.
                            When you go through hardships and decide not to surrender, that is strength”.

                            -Arnold (Ahnald) Schwarzenegger-

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                              "Year in, year out, in New York's Take5 game the biggest hitter in 365 draws will almost always have 58 hits."

                              It's almost as if we might successfully predict how often some random event will happen, isn't it?  Of course that's a lot different than predicting when some specific event will happen.

                              The laws of probability are about what's probable, and what's probable has a predictable chance of happening. Not coincidentally, it's very probable that the number that comes up the most in 365 drawings of a 5/39 game will come up 58 times. Probability also tells us how likely it is for that number to come up 57 or 59 times. Probability tells us how many of the numbers will probably be selected 55 times, 54 times, and so on. In short, probability does a pretty good job of predicting how often any of the possible outcomes will happen.

                              What probability can't do is predict which of the possible outcomes will happen at a particular time. Probability tells us that it's very probable that the most selected number in a daily 5/39 game will come up 58 times in a year and will almost certainly come up between 56 and 60 times, but it doesn't tell us ahead of time what that number will be.

                              Oh YES it will too...!!

                              You just have to understand Probability Math... which is not similar to regular math rules..

                              My hard drive wasnt hacked and copied for nuttin..!

                              SoMeBoDy was reeaal interested in my formula and process...!!!

                              -Stat$talker

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                              These are the Lottery Voyages of Stat$talker..!!

                              The ongoing Mission,..to seek out the Laws of "Probability Math"...

                               to master its rules to invoke...to Conquer ALL Major Jackpots..!!

                              ...To boldly go,... Where NO Player has gone before...!!

                                 
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