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Should illegal immigrants be able to claim lottery prizes?

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Should illegal immigrants be able to claim lottery prizes?

Yes [ 31 ]  [27.43%]
No [ 65 ]  [57.52%]
Does it really matter? [ 17 ]  [15.04%]
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rdgrnr's avatar - walt
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Posted: July 29, 2010, 12:11 pm - IP Logged

This topic has really spiralled away from the topic badly.  Please - NO MORE OFF TOPIC POSTS.

It is not on-topic to discuss the merits of being an illegal alien and political viewpoints on the subject of illegal immigration - the topic is whether or not illegal aliens should be able to claim lottery prizes.

Sorry about that Todd, I get carried away sometimes.

I'll try to stifle myself.   Yes Nod


                                             
                     
                                         

 

 

 

 

                                                                                                   

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    Posted: July 29, 2010, 12:16 pm - IP Logged

    My personal opinion on this subject is that anyone who buys a lottery ticket should be able to claim the prize if they win.  Whether they are here illegally or not is a separate topic (IMHO), having nothing to do with their ability to win a lottery prize.  If you pay, you should be able to win.

     

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      Posted: July 29, 2010, 12:48 pm - IP Logged

      My personal opinion on this subject is that anyone who buys a lottery ticket should be able to claim the prize if they win.  Whether they are here illegally or not is a separate topic (IMHO), having nothing to do with their ability to win a lottery prize.  If you pay, you should be able to win.

      Thank you Todd for your input on the matterI Agree!


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        Posted: July 29, 2010, 2:01 pm - IP Logged

        My personal opinion on this subject is that anyone who buys a lottery ticket should be able to claim the prize if they win.  Whether they are here illegally or not is a separate topic (IMHO), having nothing to do with their ability to win a lottery prize.  If you pay, you should be able to win.

        I don't think they are separate issues. They're participating in an activity reserved for folks who have the proper documentation. The two are inextricably linked. That's like saying it's OK for them to have a driver's license, as long as they pay for the fees.

        They're too smart to cash in a ticket, so they'll find a legal friend to do it for them. Had they not played, a legal person may have won instead.

        What worries me, is since they are doing something illegal like staying in this country, what other illegal activities would they encourage, especially after winning a large amount of money?

         

         

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          Posted: July 29, 2010, 2:25 pm - IP Logged

          As I stated in a previous post, the lotteries have been here through both parties administrations.  If there is no specific law that illegals cannot cash a lottery ticket, why?

          You would think being illegal would be an "umbrella" law - so that anything you do here, would be illegal and you can be arrested and deported.

          So, I agree that if you buy a ticket, you should be able to collect.  I agree there must be a few ways around collecting, whether a legal resident or illegal resident.  I agree that if you are here illegally, everything you do should be illegal.  Apparently the last item is not law.  Looks like you can do several things legally while being here illegally.

          I would be in favor of a law that prevents illegals from playing the lottery and collecting any money for prizes requiring tax forms.  I don't think there is any practical way of preventing them from collecting prizes under $600.

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            Posted: July 29, 2010, 4:56 pm - IP Logged

            As I stated in a previous post, the lotteries have been here through both parties administrations.  If there is no specific law that illegals cannot cash a lottery ticket, why?

            You would think being illegal would be an "umbrella" law - so that anything you do here, would be illegal and you can be arrested and deported.

            So, I agree that if you buy a ticket, you should be able to collect.  I agree there must be a few ways around collecting, whether a legal resident or illegal resident.  I agree that if you are here illegally, everything you do should be illegal.  Apparently the last item is not law.  Looks like you can do several things legally while being here illegally.

            I would be in favor of a law that prevents illegals from playing the lottery and collecting any money for prizes requiring tax forms.  I don't think there is any practical way of preventing them from collecting prizes under $600.

            I would be in favor of a law that prevents illegals from playing the lottery....

            Who would enforce such a law, the sale clerks?  How many people would play lotteries if they had to show proof of citizenship every time they bought a lottery ticket?   Would the clerk has to report anyone who was trying to buy a $1 lottery ticket without proper ID?

             * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
               
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              Posted: July 29, 2010, 5:11 pm - IP Logged

              Sorry about that Todd, I get carried away sometimes.

              I'll try to stifle myself.   Yes Nod

              ridge like they say your beating a dead horse..

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                Posted: July 29, 2010, 5:56 pm - IP Logged

                I would be in favor of a law that prevents illegals from playing the lottery....

                Who would enforce such a law, the sale clerks?  How many people would play lotteries if they had to show proof of citizenship every time they bought a lottery ticket?   Would the clerk has to report anyone who was trying to buy a $1 lottery ticket without proper ID?

                This would only apply to tax form payouts.

                No. Clerks wouldn't have to enforce it at all.  It would state on the ticket, similar to saying you must be 18 yrs old or older to play.  Whatever enforcement the lotteries have for that law - it would be the same for illegals. 

                If there are kids winning big in the lottery and they find some way to get their tickets cashed, I'm sure illegals will too - can't catch them all.  But if fraud is suspected at least the lottery has some recourse by controlling the large payouts.  Right now it appears it is not illegal and the lottery is going to pay without concern.

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                  Posted: July 29, 2010, 6:07 pm - IP Logged

                  I don't think they are separate issues. They're participating in an activity reserved for folks who have the proper documentation. The two are inextricably linked. That's like saying it's OK for them to have a driver's license, as long as they pay for the fees.

                  They're too smart to cash in a ticket, so they'll find a legal friend to do it for them. Had they not played, a legal person may have won instead.

                  What worries me, is since they are doing something illegal like staying in this country, what other illegal activities would they encourage, especially after winning a large amount of money?

                   

                   

                  I Agree!                100 percent correct

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                    Posted: July 29, 2010, 6:30 pm - IP Logged

                    My personal opinion on this subject is that anyone who buys a lottery ticket should be able to claim the prize if they win.  Whether they are here illegally or not is a separate topic (IMHO), having nothing to do with their ability to win a lottery prize.  If you pay, you should be able to win.

                    I Agree!

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                      Posted: July 29, 2010, 6:56 pm - IP Logged

                      I Agree!                100 percent correct

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                        Posted: July 29, 2010, 7:01 pm - IP Logged

                        Immigration status is a hot debate in this country. It varies from state to state, but many states do not have laws against illegal aliens claiming lottery prizes. Here in California an illegal immigrant collected a $2,000,000 prize and two days later was deported to Mexico, with his money. In North Carolina, lawmakers are trying to put into place a ban against undocumented people collecting prizes, whereas in South Carolina such a law already exists. Keep in mind that a common lottery scam is people giving money to a person who claims to not be able claim a lottery prize b/c they are illegal. Folks purchase the winning ticket off of them to find out that the ticket is fake or has no prize to claim. I'm not defending the intelligence of the victim in these cases, but it does happen.

                         

                        My thought is that if you can purchase the ticket you should be able to collect the prize. The money spent still goes to state and education funds that the state puts towards them. So, regardless of who you are - if you can buy you can win.

                         

                        What are your thoughts?

                        100 percentI Agree! with your though

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                          Posted: July 29, 2010, 8:30 pm - IP Logged

                          I don't think they are separate issues. They're participating in an activity reserved for folks who have the proper documentation. The two are inextricably linked. That's like saying it's OK for them to have a driver's license, as long as they pay for the fees.

                          They're too smart to cash in a ticket, so they'll find a legal friend to do it for them. Had they not played, a legal person may have won instead.

                          What worries me, is since they are doing something illegal like staying in this country, what other illegal activities would they encourage, especially after winning a large amount of money?

                           

                           

                          That's not true.  There are absolutely no residency requirements for playing the lottery.  Anyone can play, regardless of their country of origin.  Crossing the border illegally is a crime, but buying a lottery ticket in the USA after illegally crossing the border is not.  Just like buying a cup of coffee is not.  There's no linkage.  You might not personally like it (and I am not specifying MY opinion on the matter), but those are the facts.

                           

                          Check the State Lottery Report Card
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                            Posted: July 29, 2010, 8:47 pm - IP Logged

                            That's not true.  There are absolutely no residency requirements for playing the lottery.  Anyone can play, regardless of their country of origin.  Crossing the border illegally is a crime, but buying a lottery ticket in the USA after illegally crossing the border is not.  Just like buying a cup of coffee is not.  There's no linkage.  You might not personally like it (and I am not specifying MY opinion on the matter), but those are the facts.

                             Then maybe the laws should change. I can't fathom anyone condoning illegal activities. Why should it be that all the other laws have to be followed through except the lottery?   

                             

                             

                             

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                              Posted: July 29, 2010, 9:01 pm - IP Logged

                               Then maybe the laws should change. I can't fathom anyone condoning illegal activities. Why should it be that all the other laws have to be followed through except the lottery?   

                               

                               

                               

                              Are you suggesting that the law should be changed to make everything an illegal immigrant does be illegal including buying a cup of coffee?

                               * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                                 
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