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Should illegal immigrants be able to claim lottery prizes?

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Monkey Butt, USA
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Posted: July 22, 2010, 5:57 pm - IP Logged

I see nothing wrong with illegal immigrants claiming a lottery prize. Why? Because they pay for a shot at the jackpot just like I do. It is no different than if a person from another country purchased a winning ticket. Either way it goes Uncle Sam is the winner because all non-residential citizens are taxed at a higher rate.

My motto is share the wealth. If I won a jackpot on:

  1. Mexico Chispazo 5/28 
  2. Mexico Melate Lotto 6/56+B
  3. Mexico Revancha 6/56
  4. Canada Ontario EarlyBird 4/45
  5. Canada Western PayDay 4/77
  6. Canada Atlantic Bucko 5/41
  7. Canada Quebec JourDePaye 6/36
  8. Canada Lottario 6/45
  9. Canada National 6/49+B
  10. Canada Atlantic 6/49
  11. Canada BC Lotto 6/49
  12. Canada Ontario 6/49+B
  13. Canada Quebec 6/49
  14. Canada Western 6/49
  15. Canada Lotto Max 7/49
  16. Canada Atlantic Keno/Ontario Keno/Quebec Banco
  17. Philippines Lotto 6/42
  18. Philippines Megalotto 6/45
  19. Philippines Superlotto 6/49
  20. Philippines Grand Lotto 6/55

I would expect to get my money because I paid for a shot at the jackpot just like everyone else. It doesn't matter where you are from or who you are, once that ticket is purchased everyone is equal until the numbers are drawn.

Only after the official drawing will you have a group of winners and a group of losers. So it really doesn't matter if the winner is a legal immigrant or an illegal immigrant.

So if an illegal immigrant or non-residential alien wins in the U.S., my heart goes out to them because Uncle Sam hits them hard in the pocket at the rate of 30%. YIKES!!!! Too rich for my blood!! 

This is was taken from the TX Lottery site.

How much of a prize is taken out for taxes?

Players who win prizes over $5,000 will get to keep more of their winnings as a result of the Jobs and Growth Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2003, signed May 28. Because the new tax rate is lower for citizens and resident aliens, the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) will require less withholding from the winners’ payments. The previous Act, effective Aug. 6, 2001, specified a gradual decrease in the withholding rate over a period of years. The new law, which replaces the 2001 Act, reduces the tax rate to 25 percent, and the effective date is retroactive as of Jan 1, 2003. This is a tax rate decrease of two percent on prizes over $5,000 for U.S. citizens and resident aliens.

While there is no withholding on lottery prizes of less than $5,000, unless paid in installments or to a nonresident alien individual, winnings are still subject to income tax. However, the 2003 decrease in the tax rate applies to all income, including lottery prizes. In addition, changes in deductions may also reduce the amount of income tax liability, depending upon each individual’s personal situation. The IRS may refund any funds that exceed the individual’s tax liability for 2003 when the winner files his or her annual income tax return. The winner should consult a legal or financial tax expert to determine his or her tax liability.

For winners who are not U.S. citizens or resident aliens, the tax withholding rate has not changed. The withholding rate for nonresident alien individuals is still 30 percent. The Texas Lottery withholds 30 percent on prizes of $600 or more.

The new 2003 tax rate schedule and other changes included in the Jobs and Growth Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2003 are available at the following IRS Web site: http://www.irs.ustreas.gov/

 

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    Posted: July 22, 2010, 5:59 pm - IP Logged

    I am playing Devil's Advocate here.  How would you stop an illegal Alien from buying a lottery ticket in the first place ??  The Tickets do not say that you have to be a US Citizen to play the lottery, do they???. 

    If an Illegal Alien is allowed to spend his/her money that he/she earned in the US (probably by working in the US), then why shouldn't he/she be allowed to spend his/her hard earned US money how he/she  wants to (those Aliens do work their buts off hard for the US Economy - some of them) . 

    If they win the lottery, why shouldn't they be allowed to collect?  Some of them purchase lottery tickets under the same false illusion of pursuing the False American Dream (Get Rich Quick), just like we US Citizens do.  They are hoping for the same "lucky break" that the rest of us are hoping for. 

    If we are going to tolerate them working everywhere in the US, adding their Alien labor to the benefit of our US Economy, we should be able to tolerate "sharing our US Wealth" with them.  Otherwise, we should FIRE our Alien Maids, Alien Nannys, Alien Housekeepers, Alien Construction Workers, Alien Farm Laborers, etc., ALL Alien Labor everywhere in the US, and deport Every Alien  back to where ever they came from, if they are here Illegally. 

    We have NO Right to employ these people and take advantage of their Cheap labor, if we are not willing to share our US Wealth with them.  They are here to pursue the "American Dream" also, and we should not do so ourselves at their expense, on the backs of their hard labor in this country. 

    If we FIRE and DEPORT all of the illegal Aliens in this country, and get our own American jobs back, we would not be having this discussion in the first place. (The economy would not be in the shape that it's in right now with high unemploymennt either).  But of course, this is easier said than done, and we know that we cannot realistically do this.  So, we are stuck with them, and we might as well treat them with some respect. 

    Otherwise, the Lottery should make it ILLEGAL for a NON-US Citizen to purchase a lottery ticket.  Then we wouldn't be having this discussion in the first place.

    The South Carolina Winner's Claim Form States: "You do not have to be a US Citizen to Claim a Prize.  However, you must indicate status for tax purposes. [Resident Alien, Non - Resident Alien, Not a US Citizen]".

    The State and Federal Government taxes are still taken off the top regardless of Citizenship, correct ???So the Illegal Aliens are not cheating the System like this. 

    Morally, what's the difference in giving the money to an Illegal Alien, who might just be wise enough to do something good with it to benefit his Alien family, versus, giving the money to a US Citizen who squanders the money on material wealth ??? Which Result is a Better Result ???   If an Illegal  Alien squanders the money, the same as a US Citizen would, what's the difference ???  In the END, it all works out the same way !!!

    Devil's Advocate.

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      Monkey Butt, USA
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      Posted: July 22, 2010, 6:04 pm - IP Logged

      I am playing Devil's Advocate here.  How would you stop an illegal Alien from buying a lottery ticket in the first place ??  The Tickets do not say that you have to be a US Citizen to play the lottery, do they???. 

      If an Illegal Alien is allowed to spend his/her money that he/she earned in the US (probably by working in the US), then why shouldn't he/she be allowed to spend his/her hard earned US money how he/she  wants to (those Aliens do work their buts off hard for the US Economy - some of them) . 

      If they win the lottery, why shouldn't they be allowed to collect?  Some of them purchase lottery tickets under the same false illusion of pursuing the False American Dream (Get Rich Quick), just like we US Citizens do.  They are hoping for the same "lucky break" that the rest of us are hoping for. 

      If we are going to tolerate them working everywhere in the US, adding their Alien labor to the benefit of our US Economy, we should be able to tolerate "sharing our US Wealth" with them.  Otherwise, we should FIRE our Alien Maids, Alien Nannys, Alien Housekeepers, Alien Construction Workers, Alien Farm Laborers, etc., ALL Alien Labor everywhere in the US, and deport Every Alien  back to where ever they came from, if they are here Illegally. 

      We have NO Right to employ these people and take advantage of their Cheap labor, if we are not willing to share our US Wealth with them.  They are here to pursue the "American Dream" also, and we should not do so ourselves at their expense, on the backs of their hard labor in this country. 

      If we FIRE and DEPORT all of the illegal Aliens in this country, and get our own American jobs back, we would not be having this discussion in the first place. (The economy would not be in the shape that it's in right now with high unemploymennt either).  But of course, this is easier said than done, and we know that we cannot realistically do this.  So, we are stuck with them, and we might as well treat them with some respect. 

      Otherwise, the Lottery should make it ILLEGAL for a NON-US Citizen to purchase a lottery ticket.  Then we wouldn't be having this discussion in the first place.

      The South Carolina Winner's Claim Form States: "You do not have to be a US Citizen to Claim a Prize.  However, you must indicate status for tax purposes. [Resident Alien, Non - Resident Alien, Not a US Citizen]".

      The State and Federal Government taxes are still taken off the top regardless of Citizenship, correct ???So the Illegal Aliens are not cheating the System like this. 

      Morally, what's the difference in giving the money to an Illegal Alien, who might just be wise enough to do something good with it to benefit his Alien family, versus, giving the money to a US Citizen who squanders the money on material wealth ??? Which Result is a Better Result ???   If an Illegal  Alien squanders the money, the same as a US Citizen would, what's the difference ???  In the END, it all works out the same way !!!

      Devil's Advocate.

      I absolutely agree with all you've said. Thank you for playing Devil's Advocate. I absolutely love your response.


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        Posted: July 22, 2010, 6:09 pm - IP Logged

        I see nothing wrong with illegal immigrants claiming a lottery prize. Why? Because they pay for a shot at the jackpot just like I do. It is no different than if a person from another country purchased a winning ticket. Either way it goes Uncle Sam is the winner because all non-residential citizens are taxed at a higher rate.

        My motto is share the wealth. If I won a jackpot on:

        1. Mexico Chispazo 5/28 
        2. Mexico Melate Lotto 6/56+B
        3. Mexico Revancha 6/56
        4. Canada Ontario EarlyBird 4/45
        5. Canada Western PayDay 4/77
        6. Canada Atlantic Bucko 5/41
        7. Canada Quebec JourDePaye 6/36
        8. Canada Lottario 6/45
        9. Canada National 6/49+B
        10. Canada Atlantic 6/49
        11. Canada BC Lotto 6/49
        12. Canada Ontario 6/49+B
        13. Canada Quebec 6/49
        14. Canada Western 6/49
        15. Canada Lotto Max 7/49
        16. Canada Atlantic Keno/Ontario Keno/Quebec Banco
        17. Philippines Lotto 6/42
        18. Philippines Megalotto 6/45
        19. Philippines Superlotto 6/49
        20. Philippines Grand Lotto 6/55

        I would expect to get my money because I paid for a shot at the jackpot just like everyone else. It doesn't matter where you are from or who you are, once that ticket is purchased everyone is equal until the numbers are drawn.

        Only after the official drawing will you have a group of winners and a group of losers. So it really doesn't matter if the winner is a legal immigrant or an illegal immigrant.

        So if an illegal immigrant or non-residential alien wins in the U.S., my heart goes out to them because Uncle Sam hits them hard in the pocket at the rate of 30%. YIKES!!!! Too rich for my blood!! 

        This is was taken from the TX Lottery site.

        How much of a prize is taken out for taxes?

        Players who win prizes over $5,000 will get to keep more of their winnings as a result of the Jobs and Growth Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2003, signed May 28. Because the new tax rate is lower for citizens and resident aliens, the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) will require less withholding from the winners’ payments. The previous Act, effective Aug. 6, 2001, specified a gradual decrease in the withholding rate over a period of years. The new law, which replaces the 2001 Act, reduces the tax rate to 25 percent, and the effective date is retroactive as of Jan 1, 2003. This is a tax rate decrease of two percent on prizes over $5,000 for U.S. citizens and resident aliens.

        While there is no withholding on lottery prizes of less than $5,000, unless paid in installments or to a nonresident alien individual, winnings are still subject to income tax. However, the 2003 decrease in the tax rate applies to all income, including lottery prizes. In addition, changes in deductions may also reduce the amount of income tax liability, depending upon each individual’s personal situation. The IRS may refund any funds that exceed the individual’s tax liability for 2003 when the winner files his or her annual income tax return. The winner should consult a legal or financial tax expert to determine his or her tax liability.

        For winners who are not U.S. citizens or resident aliens, the tax withholding rate has not changed. The withholding rate for nonresident alien individuals is still 30 percent. The Texas Lottery withholds 30 percent on prizes of $600 or more.

        The new 2003 tax rate schedule and other changes included in the Jobs and Growth Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2003 are available at the following IRS Web site: http://www.irs.ustreas.gov/

         

        I see nothing wrong with illegal immigrants claiming a lottery prize. Why? Because they pay for a shot at the jackpot just like I do. It is no different than if a person from another country purchased a winning ticket. Either way it goes Uncle Sam is the winner because all non-residential citizens are taxed at a higher rate.

        They are ILLEGAL.....

        Folks who visit from other countries are here LEGALLY.

          rdgrnr's avatar - walt
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          Posted: July 22, 2010, 6:11 pm - IP Logged

          I am playing Devil's Advocate here.  How would you stop an illegal Alien from buying a lottery ticket in the first place ??  The Tickets do not say that you have to be a US Citizen to play the lottery, do they???. 

          If an Illegal Alien is allowed to spend his/her money that he/she earned in the US (probably by working in the US), then why shouldn't he/she be allowed to spend his/her hard earned US money how he/she  wants to (those Aliens do work their buts off hard for the US Economy - some of them) . 

          If they win the lottery, why shouldn't they be allowed to collect?  Some of them purchase lottery tickets under the same false illusion of pursuing the False American Dream (Get Rich Quick), just like we US Citizens do.  They are hoping for the same "lucky break" that the rest of us are hoping for. 

          If we are going to tolerate them working everywhere in the US, adding their Alien labor to the benefit of our US Economy, we should be able to tolerate "sharing our US Wealth" with them.  Otherwise, we should FIRE our Alien Maids, Alien Nannys, Alien Housekeepers, Alien Construction Workers, Alien Farm Laborers, etc., ALL Alien Labor everywhere in the US, and deport Every Alien  back to where ever they came from, if they are here Illegally. 

          We have NO Right to employ these people and take advantage of their Cheap labor, if we are not willing to share our US Wealth with them.  They are here to pursue the "American Dream" also, and we should not do so ourselves at their expense, on the backs of their hard labor in this country. 

          If we FIRE and DEPORT all of the illegal Aliens in this country, and get our own American jobs back, we would not be having this discussion in the first place. (The economy would not be in the shape that it's in right now with high unemploymennt either).  But of course, this is easier said than done, and we know that we cannot realistically do this.  So, we are stuck with them, and we might as well treat them with some respect. 

          Otherwise, the Lottery should make it ILLEGAL for a NON-US Citizen to purchase a lottery ticket.  Then we wouldn't be having this discussion in the first place.

          The South Carolina Winner's Claim Form States: "You do not have to be a US Citizen to Claim a Prize.  However, you must indicate status for tax purposes. [Resident Alien, Non - Resident Alien, Not a US Citizen]".

          The State and Federal Government taxes are still taken off the top regardless of Citizenship, correct ???So the Illegal Aliens are not cheating the System like this. 

          Morally, what's the difference in giving the money to an Illegal Alien, who might just be wise enough to do something good with it to benefit his Alien family, versus, giving the money to a US Citizen who squanders the money on material wealth ??? Which Result is a Better Result ???   If an Illegal  Alien squanders the money, the same as a US Citizen would, what's the difference ???  In the END, it all works out the same way !!!

          Devil's Advocate.

          They do not benefit our economy.

          They take, take, take without giving.

          They get free education, free health care, free welfare, free Social Security that they never paid into.

          We pay for all of it!

          We are already broke!

          They are here illegally!

          What part of illegal do people not understand?

           

          I think everybody who thinks we owe these people something should take in a family or two and let the rest of us off the hook for supporting criminals against our will.


                                                       
                               
                                                   

           

           

           

           

                                                                                                             

          "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"

                                                                                                      --Edmund Burke

           

           

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            Monkey Butt, USA
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            Posted: July 22, 2010, 6:17 pm - IP Logged

            I see nothing wrong with illegal immigrants claiming a lottery prize. Why? Because they pay for a shot at the jackpot just like I do. It is no different than if a person from another country purchased a winning ticket. Either way it goes Uncle Sam is the winner because all non-residential citizens are taxed at a higher rate.

            They are ILLEGAL.....

            Folks who visit from other countries are here LEGALLY.

            Doesn't matter, they still paid for a shot at the jackpot just like all the other players. The money is still green and spends. So it does not matter if it comes from an illegal immigrant or from a legal immigrant or a U.S. citizen and if that illegal immigrant wins Uncle Sam will still be taxing them up and down the yin-yang starting at 30% as they are deported back to the country of origin.  Also at the end of the day there will still be a group of winners and a group of losers.

              rdgrnr's avatar - walt
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              Posted: July 22, 2010, 6:19 pm - IP Logged

              I see nothing wrong with illegal immigrants claiming a lottery prize. Why? Because they pay for a shot at the jackpot just like I do. It is no different than if a person from another country purchased a winning ticket. Either way it goes Uncle Sam is the winner because all non-residential citizens are taxed at a higher rate.

              My motto is share the wealth. If I won a jackpot on:

              1. Mexico Chispazo 5/28 
              2. Mexico Melate Lotto 6/56+B
              3. Mexico Revancha 6/56
              4. Canada Ontario EarlyBird 4/45
              5. Canada Western PayDay 4/77
              6. Canada Atlantic Bucko 5/41
              7. Canada Quebec JourDePaye 6/36
              8. Canada Lottario 6/45
              9. Canada National 6/49+B
              10. Canada Atlantic 6/49
              11. Canada BC Lotto 6/49
              12. Canada Ontario 6/49+B
              13. Canada Quebec 6/49
              14. Canada Western 6/49
              15. Canada Lotto Max 7/49
              16. Canada Atlantic Keno/Ontario Keno/Quebec Banco
              17. Philippines Lotto 6/42
              18. Philippines Megalotto 6/45
              19. Philippines Superlotto 6/49
              20. Philippines Grand Lotto 6/55

              I would expect to get my money because I paid for a shot at the jackpot just like everyone else. It doesn't matter where you are from or who you are, once that ticket is purchased everyone is equal until the numbers are drawn.

              Only after the official drawing will you have a group of winners and a group of losers. So it really doesn't matter if the winner is a legal immigrant or an illegal immigrant.

              So if an illegal immigrant or non-residential alien wins in the U.S., my heart goes out to them because Uncle Sam hits them hard in the pocket at the rate of 30%. YIKES!!!! Too rich for my blood!! 

              This is was taken from the TX Lottery site.

              How much of a prize is taken out for taxes?

              Players who win prizes over $5,000 will get to keep more of their winnings as a result of the Jobs and Growth Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2003, signed May 28. Because the new tax rate is lower for citizens and resident aliens, the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) will require less withholding from the winners’ payments. The previous Act, effective Aug. 6, 2001, specified a gradual decrease in the withholding rate over a period of years. The new law, which replaces the 2001 Act, reduces the tax rate to 25 percent, and the effective date is retroactive as of Jan 1, 2003. This is a tax rate decrease of two percent on prizes over $5,000 for U.S. citizens and resident aliens.

              While there is no withholding on lottery prizes of less than $5,000, unless paid in installments or to a nonresident alien individual, winnings are still subject to income tax. However, the 2003 decrease in the tax rate applies to all income, including lottery prizes. In addition, changes in deductions may also reduce the amount of income tax liability, depending upon each individual’s personal situation. The IRS may refund any funds that exceed the individual’s tax liability for 2003 when the winner files his or her annual income tax return. The winner should consult a legal or financial tax expert to determine his or her tax liability.

              For winners who are not U.S. citizens or resident aliens, the tax withholding rate has not changed. The withholding rate for nonresident alien individuals is still 30 percent. The Texas Lottery withholds 30 percent on prizes of $600 or more.

              The new 2003 tax rate schedule and other changes included in the Jobs and Growth Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2003 are available at the following IRS Web site: http://www.irs.ustreas.gov/

               

              "My motto is share the wealth"

               

              I think that's perfectly fine as long as it's your wealth you're sharing and not expecting me to join you in sharing community wealth.

              Just donate your share and not mine and everybody else's.

              Share the wealth was a concept Teddy Kennedy espoused for years and Obama even told Joe the Plumber we should "share the wealth."

              The problem is it's never their wealth they want to share, it's always somebody else's.


                                                           
                                   
                                                       

               

               

               

               

                                                                                                                 

              "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"

                                                                                                          --Edmund Burke

               

               


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                Posted: July 22, 2010, 6:31 pm - IP Logged

                I am playing Devil's Advocate here.  How would you stop an illegal Alien from buying a lottery ticket in the first place ??  The Tickets do not say that you have to be a US Citizen to play the lottery, do they???. 

                If an Illegal Alien is allowed to spend his/her money that he/she earned in the US (probably by working in the US), then why shouldn't he/she be allowed to spend his/her hard earned US money how he/she  wants to (those Aliens do work their buts off hard for the US Economy - some of them) . 

                If they win the lottery, why shouldn't they be allowed to collect?  Some of them purchase lottery tickets under the same false illusion of pursuing the False American Dream (Get Rich Quick), just like we US Citizens do.  They are hoping for the same "lucky break" that the rest of us are hoping for. 

                If we are going to tolerate them working everywhere in the US, adding their Alien labor to the benefit of our US Economy, we should be able to tolerate "sharing our US Wealth" with them.  Otherwise, we should FIRE our Alien Maids, Alien Nannys, Alien Housekeepers, Alien Construction Workers, Alien Farm Laborers, etc., ALL Alien Labor everywhere in the US, and deport Every Alien  back to where ever they came from, if they are here Illegally. 

                We have NO Right to employ these people and take advantage of their Cheap labor, if we are not willing to share our US Wealth with them.  They are here to pursue the "American Dream" also, and we should not do so ourselves at their expense, on the backs of their hard labor in this country. 

                If we FIRE and DEPORT all of the illegal Aliens in this country, and get our own American jobs back, we would not be having this discussion in the first place. (The economy would not be in the shape that it's in right now with high unemploymennt either).  But of course, this is easier said than done, and we know that we cannot realistically do this.  So, we are stuck with them, and we might as well treat them with some respect. 

                Otherwise, the Lottery should make it ILLEGAL for a NON-US Citizen to purchase a lottery ticket.  Then we wouldn't be having this discussion in the first place.

                The South Carolina Winner's Claim Form States: "You do not have to be a US Citizen to Claim a Prize.  However, you must indicate status for tax purposes. [Resident Alien, Non - Resident Alien, Not a US Citizen]".

                The State and Federal Government taxes are still taken off the top regardless of Citizenship, correct ???So the Illegal Aliens are not cheating the System like this. 

                Morally, what's the difference in giving the money to an Illegal Alien, who might just be wise enough to do something good with it to benefit his Alien family, versus, giving the money to a US Citizen who squanders the money on material wealth ??? Which Result is a Better Result ???   If an Illegal  Alien squanders the money, the same as a US Citizen would, what's the difference ???  In the END, it all works out the same way !!!

                Devil's Advocate.

                I am playing Devil's Advocate here.  How would you stop an illegal Alien from buying a lottery ticket in the first place ??  The Tickets do not say that you have to be a US Citizen to play the lottery, do they???. 

                The tickets don't have to say it on the back, it's common sense. They know very well that If they want to cash it, they'd have to do it by having someone else who is legal to cash it.

                If an Illegal Alien is allowed to spend his/her money that he/she earned in the US (probably by working in the US), then why shouldn't he/she be allowed to spend his/her hard earned US money how he/she  wants to (those Aliens do work their buts off hard for the US Economy - some of them) . 

                The companies that hire them are doing it illegally, and should be punished. It's not fair for the people who are legally waiting patiently to become citizens.

                If they win the lottery, why shouldn't they be allowed to collect?  Some of them purchase lottery tickets under the same false illusion of pursuing the False American Dream (Get Rich Quick), just like we US Citizens do.  They are hoping for the same "lucky break" that the rest of us are hoping for. 

                They are illegal, that's why.

                 

                If we are going to tolerate them working everywhere in the US, adding their Alien labor to the benefit of our US Economy, we should be able to tolerate "sharing our US Wealth" with them.  Otherwise, we should FIRE our Alien Maids, Alien Nannys, Alien Housekeepers, Alien Construction Workers, Alien Farm Laborers, etc., ALL Alien Labor everywhere in the US, and deport Every Alien  back to where ever they came from, if they are here Illegally.

                The companies that hire them are doing it illegally, and should be punished. It's not fair for the people who are legally waiting patiently to become citizens.

                 

                If we FIRE and DEPORT all of the illegal Aliens in this country, and get our own American jobs back, we would not be having this discussion in the first place. (The economy would not be in the shape that it's in right now with high unemploymennt either).  But of course, this is easier said than done, and we know that we cannot realistically do this.  So, we are stuck with them, and we might as well treat them with some respect. 

                I don't think so. Maybe they should treat the law with respect, not the other way around. That's like saying it's ok if an illegal commits murder because legal citizens also commit murder.

                The State and Federal Government taxes are still taken off the top regardless of Citizenship, correct ???So the Illegal Aliens are not cheating the System like this. 

                That is totally irrelevant, and distorting the issue. They can't cash the ticket and have a leagl frien cash it. So the illegal spends the money while living here illegally or sends the money back to their home country.

                Morally, what's the difference in giving the money to an Illegal Alien, who might just be wise enough to do something good with it to benefit his Alien family, versus, giving the money to a US Citizen who squanders the money on material wealth ??? Which Result is a Better Result ???   If an Illegal  Alien squanders the money, the same as a US Citizen would, what's the difference ???  In the END, it all works out the same way !!!

                This has nothing to do with morality. It has to do with the law....period. If he or she is legal, then they can squander their money or help their family, but until then, they are ILLEGAL.....

                If you had your way, then I shouldn't have to get a license to drive a car. Why should I? It's a free for all.

                I shouldn't have to register to vote...why should I?.....

                I shouldn't be afraid to punch someone because assault and battery means nothing....

                I should be able to rob a store without any feeling of repercussions.

                It's simply not fair for those who are waiting years on a list to become legal.

                I sympathize with the folks who are here illegally to better their lives. Most of them are civilized, hard working people, but they have to go thru the motions just like everyone else. Sorry.....

                 

                 

                 

                 


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                  Doesn't matter, they still paid for a shot at the jackpot just like all the other players. The money is still green and spends. So it does not matter if it comes from an illegal immigrant or from a legal immigrant or a U.S. citizen and if that illegal immigrant wins Uncle Sam will still be taxing them up and down the yin-yang starting at 30% as they are deported back to the country of origin.  Also at the end of the day there will still be a group of winners and a group of losers.

                  OK, let me write this very slowly so you can understand. The green money they obtained was done ILLEGALLY....Get it?

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                    OK, let me write this very slowly so you can understand. The green money they obtained was done ILLEGALLY....Get it?

                    Oh I get it. And if it is that big of a deal then tell all the retailers who has received that illegal tender from the  illegal immigrants when they shopped in their stores WAL-MART K-Mart Target Cost Co Sams Wholesale Kroger Safeway Minyards Piggly-Wiggly Nissan Chrysler Ford GM Chevrolet Kia Dodge Sony Time Warner Cable Dish Network the water companies the light companies  Ma Bell and the Baby Bells the cellular companies tell them all the money they received was obtained was done illegally.

                    Do YOU really think they give a fat rats azz about where or how or the legal status of their customers? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! They don't so why should I?

                    If they paid their money to purchase a ticket then they deserve to win just like everyone that purchased a ticket!!!!!

                    Tell all the U.S. businesses that they should not do business with these people because they are illegal immigrants and the money they obtained was done illegally and you know as well as I, they'd probably have you escorted from the premises.

                    In case YOU haven't figured it out, AS LONG AS THE GOVERNMENT GETS IT'S SHARE, there are no problems.

                    This country is built, maintained, and thrives on GREED.  Just ask all of the fat cats that we keep in office year after year after year. And ask all the fat cats pockets we line with our disposable income from the purchases we convince ourselves we NEED.

                    I don't care if it is a prostitute, priest, or Charles Manson that wins. They purchased a ticket and that's that.

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                      Oh I get it. And if it is that big of a deal then tell all the retailers who has received that illegal tender from the  illegal immigrants when they shopped in their stores WAL-MART K-Mart Target Cost Co Sams Wholesale Kroger Safeway Minyards Piggly-Wiggly Nissan Chrysler Ford GM Chevrolet Kia Dodge Sony Time Warner Cable Dish Network the water companies the light companies  Ma Bell and the Baby Bells the cellular companies tell them all the money they received was obtained was done illegally.

                      Do YOU really think they give a fat rats azz about where or how or the legal status of their customers? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! They don't so why should I?

                      If they paid their money to purchase a ticket then they deserve to win just like everyone that purchased a ticket!!!!!

                      Tell all the U.S. businesses that they should not do business with these people because they are illegal immigrants and the money they obtained was done illegally and you know as well as I, they'd probably have you escorted from the premises.

                      In case YOU haven't figured it out, AS LONG AS THE GOVERNMENT GETS IT'S SHARE, there are no problems.

                      This country is built, maintained, and thrives on GREED.  Just ask all of the fat cats that we keep in office year after year after year. And ask all the fat cats pockets we line with our disposable income from the purchases we convince ourselves we NEED.

                      I don't care if it is a prostitute, priest, or Charles Manson that wins. They purchased a ticket and that's that.

                      You could have said all that a lot easier in 4 short words: I voted for Obama.


                                                                   
                                           
                                                               

                       

                       

                       

                       

                                                                                                                         

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                        I see nothing wrong with illegal immigrants claiming a lottery prize. Why? Because they pay for a shot at the jackpot just like I do. It is no different than if a person from another country purchased a winning ticket. Either way it goes Uncle Sam is the winner because all non-residential citizens are taxed at a higher rate.

                        My motto is share the wealth. If I won a jackpot on:

                        1. Mexico Chispazo 5/28 
                        2. Mexico Melate Lotto 6/56+B
                        3. Mexico Revancha 6/56
                        4. Canada Ontario EarlyBird 4/45
                        5. Canada Western PayDay 4/77
                        6. Canada Atlantic Bucko 5/41
                        7. Canada Quebec JourDePaye 6/36
                        8. Canada Lottario 6/45
                        9. Canada National 6/49+B
                        10. Canada Atlantic 6/49
                        11. Canada BC Lotto 6/49
                        12. Canada Ontario 6/49+B
                        13. Canada Quebec 6/49
                        14. Canada Western 6/49
                        15. Canada Lotto Max 7/49
                        16. Canada Atlantic Keno/Ontario Keno/Quebec Banco
                        17. Philippines Lotto 6/42
                        18. Philippines Megalotto 6/45
                        19. Philippines Superlotto 6/49
                        20. Philippines Grand Lotto 6/55

                        I would expect to get my money because I paid for a shot at the jackpot just like everyone else. It doesn't matter where you are from or who you are, once that ticket is purchased everyone is equal until the numbers are drawn.

                        Only after the official drawing will you have a group of winners and a group of losers. So it really doesn't matter if the winner is a legal immigrant or an illegal immigrant.

                        So if an illegal immigrant or non-residential alien wins in the U.S., my heart goes out to them because Uncle Sam hits them hard in the pocket at the rate of 30%. YIKES!!!! Too rich for my blood!! 

                        This is was taken from the TX Lottery site.

                        How much of a prize is taken out for taxes?

                        Players who win prizes over $5,000 will get to keep more of their winnings as a result of the Jobs and Growth Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2003, signed May 28. Because the new tax rate is lower for citizens and resident aliens, the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) will require less withholding from the winners’ payments. The previous Act, effective Aug. 6, 2001, specified a gradual decrease in the withholding rate over a period of years. The new law, which replaces the 2001 Act, reduces the tax rate to 25 percent, and the effective date is retroactive as of Jan 1, 2003. This is a tax rate decrease of two percent on prizes over $5,000 for U.S. citizens and resident aliens.

                        While there is no withholding on lottery prizes of less than $5,000, unless paid in installments or to a nonresident alien individual, winnings are still subject to income tax. However, the 2003 decrease in the tax rate applies to all income, including lottery prizes. In addition, changes in deductions may also reduce the amount of income tax liability, depending upon each individual’s personal situation. The IRS may refund any funds that exceed the individual’s tax liability for 2003 when the winner files his or her annual income tax return. The winner should consult a legal or financial tax expert to determine his or her tax liability.

                        For winners who are not U.S. citizens or resident aliens, the tax withholding rate has not changed. The withholding rate for nonresident alien individuals is still 30 percent. The Texas Lottery withholds 30 percent on prizes of $600 or more.

                        The new 2003 tax rate schedule and other changes included in the Jobs and Growth Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2003 are available at the following IRS Web site: http://www.irs.ustreas.gov/

                         

                        Oh, what is wrong with me, they get hit for 30% more than those who where Born here, like my son? or those of  of us who are here legal??? or have Become US Citizens the right way? Oh, the 30% makes them Legal now?!!! 

                        What Part of Illegal  am I Missing???!!!! 

                        One man pays his haRD EARN to be intimate with another  man's wife!!   He should get the same thing the Husband get!!!

                        He paid hard earn money!!! Does that make it right???!!!!...Oh, wait a minute.. He have to give her 30% more money, Yikes!!!Confused

                        forget what "they" say about youWhat you say about you?...

                        Now, does it count??

                         

                         

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                          Oh I get it. And if it is that big of a deal then tell all the retailers who has received that illegal tender from the  illegal immigrants when they shopped in their stores WAL-MART K-Mart Target Cost Co Sams Wholesale Kroger Safeway Minyards Piggly-Wiggly Nissan Chrysler Ford GM Chevrolet Kia Dodge Sony Time Warner Cable Dish Network the water companies the light companies  Ma Bell and the Baby Bells the cellular companies tell them all the money they received was obtained was done illegally.

                          Do YOU really think they give a fat rats azz about where or how or the legal status of their customers? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! They don't so why should I?

                          If they paid their money to purchase a ticket then they deserve to win just like everyone that purchased a ticket!!!!!

                          Tell all the U.S. businesses that they should not do business with these people because they are illegal immigrants and the money they obtained was done illegally and you know as well as I, they'd probably have you escorted from the premises.

                          In case YOU haven't figured it out, AS LONG AS THE GOVERNMENT GETS IT'S SHARE, there are no problems.

                          This country is built, maintained, and thrives on GREED.  Just ask all of the fat cats that we keep in office year after year after year. And ask all the fat cats pockets we line with our disposable income from the purchases we convince ourselves we NEED.

                          I don't care if it is a prostitute, priest, or Charles Manson that wins. They purchased a ticket and that's that.

                          The retailers have no way of knowing who is legal. You keep digging at the bottom of the barrel.

                          What does the retailer giving a rat's ass about money obtained illegally have anything to do with this? Keep digging?

                          If they paid their money, it was obtained illegally. You're making me repeat myself.

                          The businesses who hire illegals will not escort me off the property. They'll probably bribe me to keep my mouth shut.

                          In case I haven't figured it out?....WHAT?......As long as the government gets their cut?....Who is the one that doesn't get it?....It's not about whether the govt. gets their cut, it's about illegal immigrants using money obtained illegally to benefit financially. Seriously man, what planet are you from? Stop trying to divert the issue by diluting it with roundabout theories and suppositions.

                          I agree this country is maintained on greed. Greed by LEGAL citizens who for the most part don't give a flying blank about you and me. That's where we agree on this, but that's another issue for another debate. Stick to the subject.

                          You don't care tha Manson wins the lottery?....Maybe he should go free too, so he can spend it on another hair-brained killing spree.....Man, you must be on drugs.....

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                            You could have said all that a lot easier in 4 short words: I voted for Obama.

                            LMAOOOO rdgrnr.

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                              The retailers have no way of knowing who is legal. You keep digging at the bottom of the barrel.

                              What does the retailer giving a rat's ass about money obtained illegally have anything to do with this? Keep digging?

                              If they paid their money, it was obtained illegally. You're making me repeat myself.

                              The businesses who hire illegals will not escort me off the property. They'll probably bribe me to keep my mouth shut.

                              In case I haven't figured it out?....WHAT?......As long as the government gets their cut?....Who is the one that doesn't get it?....It's not about whether the govt. gets their cut, it's about illegal immigrants using money obtained illegally to benefit financially. Seriously man, what planet are you from? Stop trying to divert the issue by diluting it with roundabout theories and suppositions.

                              I agree this country is maintained on greed. Greed by LEGAL citizens who for the most part don't give a flying blank about you and me. That's where we agree on this, but that's another issue for another debate. Stick to the subject.

                              You don't care tha Manson wins the lottery?....Maybe he should go free too, so he can spend it on another hair-brained killing spree.....Man, you must be on drugs.....

                              I Agree!I Agree!I Agree!

                                 
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