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Can prayer affect the outcome of a lottery

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Praying for a lottery win will:

Improve the chances of winning [ 34 ]  [45.95%]
Worsen the chances of winning [ 0 ]  [0.00%]
Have no influence on the chances of winning [ 40 ]  [54.05%]
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Posted: June 4, 2011, 1:37 pm - IP Logged

Tenaj,

"So, I just want to let you know that it is all spiritual dude.  God is spirit.  Give spiritual laws a try.  You are in the wrong realm trying to figure it out through your mind and intelligence.  Try walking in the realm of spirituality and continue to be that wonderful gifted person you are."

Although I don't share all of your views, I commend you for your thoughtful approach to the question.

When you tell Joker17, "You are in the wrong realm trying to figure it out through your mind and intelligence," you are using YOUR mind and intelligence to try to describe an alternative "realm" for him.

When you suggest that he, "Try walking in the realm of spirituality..." you raise yet another question.  What methods should he employ when HIS mind and intelligence are not leading him to the realm you suggest?

--Jimmy4164

P.S.  (For the record) I don't think Joker17's conjecture that Quantum Physics might cooperate somehow with our brainwaves during prayer to manipulate ping pong balls has a probability much above zero of being true!

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    I chose "have no influence on the chances of winning". Is the act of prayer itself going to affect the balls drawn is some quantum physics sort of way? Or is God himself going to hear your prayer and decide to divinely interviene and personally ensure that the numbers you played are magically drawn from the hopper??? If the later of the two is feasible, then one has to wonder what God does in the event that more than one person is praying for a win. Sure, a few people could split the jackpot, but I think it is safe to assume that hundreds, if not thousands of people are praying for a win simultaneously.  So how does God pick who gets to win and who does not? Does he consider each persons denomination, how often they go to church, or how they will spend the winnings?

    I can't imagine prayer having any effect in this scenario, especially since it seems as though countless prayers went unanswered in Fukushima, Joplin, and in NYC on September 11th, 2001.  While I'm not anti God, It seems as though he might just sit back and let events unfold without any intervention in our world, regardless of ones faith or dedication to prayer...

    God wills it so...

    we live in a fallen world,  where God has to allow certain things to occur,  and "intervening" breaks that temporary spirirtual condition,  so sometimes God allows incidents to occur so we can observe "the bigger picture"...

    God is not "obligated" to protect anything beyond what His stretched out over time will is.  God makes his decisions based solely with an eternal value attached to it,  and not just what suits our immediate "personal comfort".    we seem to only place value on the immediate,  and Gods decision making is never just about the immediate. 

    God unfortunately has to allow things to occur that our outside of his will,  because His creation thinks they can act outside His standards,  and still "demand" His protective blessing.  that is why we observe children dying by the thousands in countries where the majority of that nation reject the one true God,  opting instead to follow after false Gods who cannot help them.  so God says....."ok,  let's see what your 'god' can do for you".       he HAS TO.  not that He "wants to".

    it breaks His heart

    God is a "gentleman",  and at some point,  He will remove his protective nature from us....  if we insist on making choices that exclude Him.  if He does not do that,  then we have no incentive plan, and God is gracious enough that He created boundaries so that we can have and maintain a healthy relationship.

    the above answers are washing machine answers.  meaning they are a biblical over time perspective of Gods character,  and how He arrives at a decision.  a small slice of a view,  but an accurate one.  for believers,  the above minute attempts will make sense.  for unbelievers,  they cannot quite grasp the concept of immediacy over eternal desicion making,  and so it will still appear to be "unfair"......when it's not.

    so,  let's make it personal,  instead of spitting out lock step idealogies.

    this month i will have had an illness called chronic fatigue syndrome for 20 years,  and it has greatly reduced my capabilities these last 20 years. 

    but in a fantastic way....

    i have a wide circle of friends,  for whom when you observe their choices over a long period of time, they throw maybe a half hearted attempt at being obedient to God at best,  and yet they have zero health dilemmas,  they flourish financially,  while i wade thru both while i work very hard at being obedient before God.

    there is not one day were i feel slighted,   cheated out of,  shortchanged,  or "God is not fair".... in comparison to how He "blesses"  them,  despite their lack of commitment.

    for face value,  i could.  most everyone i know is better off than i am in those arena's of life.

    i don't, and the reason i don't..... is because i throw Gods blanket of perspective (when it's weighed out over time)  over my parameters,  and then i conclude by choice that God is not only good,  but He has a better plan for my life with the inclusion of those circumstances,  than He ever could if He had  "intervened"...... and took them away.

    because i embrace that perspective,  i have far more strength than i would have had otherwise,  far more perspective,  far more peace,  far more resolve,  far more compassion,  far more insight, on and on.   the list of "pluses" about my life far exceeds the perceived negative.

    that's how you arrive at the intersection of what's "fair", and "not fair" when it comes to how God deals out the cards.

    does He allow someone to win a lottery for a greater purpose over time that transcends just the "more money" issue?  YES

    we seem to think when and if God allowed someone to win,  it was just based around money,  and it's NOT.  there could be  1,000 different peripheral reasons beyond just the money part of that equation.   it's never about that immediate moment,  and more about what that initial moment will flesh out over time.

    so what if God in His infinite wisdom picks the guy across the street to win,  and bypasses me.  i know why that's fair.

    i know "thats fair" ....both when i lose,  if i were to win, if my friends remain far beyond me in the circumstances sweepstakes,  or if i were to overtake them. 

    we only arrive at those intersections of ponderance while appLying the wrong math

    i can't point to every individual drawing and say for certainity "God picked that dude".

    but i do know for certain,  there are some people He has hand picked for His purpose and will,  for whom it will happen to

    truthfully,  what's more of an ostentatious statement, given the perceived "inequities" going on in history,  is the statement that God couldn't possibly pick someone specifically TO win.

    like if there is a God,  that's somehow intellectually impossible.    truthfully,  that's intellectual suicide

    God (if He exists) can do anything He wants,  anytime He wants, to anyone He wants.....for His sustained purpose

    like i said before way back in this thread...

    you can cry, scratch,  negotiate,  do fantasic deeds,  tithe your retirement away,  pray day and night bawling your eyes out begging God to change your parameters,  but if it isn't within the confines of His decision making over time concerning your life....it CANNOT EVER happen,  no matter how many tickets you buy,  or how much effort you throw at it

    conversely,  if it is within His plan for your life, it will,   but positionally speaking,  it won't ever make you "better than"

    therefore,  there isn't as much "inequity" in life,  as much as there is a tragic occurances of Gods creation acting outside his standards,  and creating possible inequities themselves either by circumstances or perspective.

    God is more than fair ------>  He is righteous and just

    but,  i have to conclude with.....He does favor those.....who favor Him

    i choose to be on the side of favor,  and that grants me the luxury of world perspective

    because of that ongoing choice.....i am so far removed from being "shortchanged" as to what defines me

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                "i am .........."meant to"       

    P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

             until further notice,  it's  france everyday

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      Posted: June 4, 2011, 5:18 pm - IP Logged

      joker,  did the guy ever get back to you about your submission ?

      you said you sent it to him.

      we need to see how far you got in the $1,000 run for the bulls ...

                  "i am .........."meant to"       

      P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

               until further notice,  it's  france everyday

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        I tried praying that a certain number would win, but I added, "but only if it is God's will." Apparently, it wasn't. I played 0103, they drew 0460.

        Today's winning 3-ball is going to be a number between 000 and 999.

        In a lot of states, lotteries benefit education. That makes the REAL winners the only people who can't play!

          rdgrnr's avatar - walt
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          Posted: June 4, 2011, 8:43 pm - IP Logged

          Parallels can be drawn between this phoney-baloney thread and current events.

          All over the country, nutjob socialist/atheists are disrupting American traditions because they are "offended" by something. In most of these cases it is one person who wants everything changed because he/she or his or her parents are offended by something like a cross being present over the entrance to an auditorium or there are words they don't like in the class Valedictorian's speech.

          As ridiculous as it sounds, it's true. A Texas Appeals Court just overruled a liberal judge who said the class Valedictorian couldn't mention that she was going to pray for her fellow graduates in her speech.

          This kind of crap from the atheists is just getting way out of hand.

          ONE student didn't want to hear the word pray in a speech and a big court battle had to be fought! Couldn't that one student have just covered his or her ears if hearing the word pray would have been so catastrophic?

          And now we have it here.

          Little mario38, jimmy4164 and true critic are our resident atheists who are offended by certain words and want them banned.

          Let's listen to the demands of true critic:

          "Any post with the words God, Jesus, prayers or other religious connotations should be deleted.  I don't want to read  "God luck" "God created the box bet" "I will keep you in my prayers" "I'm praying for a win" "need some prayers" "God bless America" "God bless them" "May God show love" "thank God I got my money the other day" "God Children"  

          True critic not only wants his "verboten words" banned - he wants every utterance of them on this site deleted! Hitler would have been proud of these three.

          It's a shame that people like these get their way so much nowadays across the country against the wishes of the overwhelming majority of the American public but the fact is that with the help of liberal judges and Anti-American organizations like the ACLU, they do.

          And now, this tiny minority of weirdos wants to call the shots here.


                                                       
                               
                                                   

           

           

           

           

                                                                                                             

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                                                                                                      --Edmund Burke

           

           

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            Parallels can be drawn between this phoney-baloney thread and current events.

            All over the country, nutjob socialist/atheists are disrupting American traditions because they are "offended" by something. In most of these cases it is one person who wants everything changed because he/she or his or her parents are offended by something like a cross being present over the entrance to an auditorium or there are words they don't like in the class Valedictorian's speech.

            As ridiculous as it sounds, it's true. A Texas Appeals Court just overruled a liberal judge who said the class Valedictorian couldn't mention that she was going to pray for her fellow graduates in her speech.

            This kind of crap from the atheists is just getting way out of hand.

            ONE student didn't want to hear the word pray in a speech and a big court battle had to be fought! Couldn't that one student have just covered his or her ears if hearing the word pray would have been so catastrophic?

            And now we have it here.

            Little mario38, jimmy4164 and true critic are our resident atheists who are offended by certain words and want them banned.

            Let's listen to the demands of true critic:

            "Any post with the words God, Jesus, prayers or other religious connotations should be deleted.  I don't want to read  "God luck" "God created the box bet" "I will keep you in my prayers" "I'm praying for a win" "need some prayers" "God bless America" "God bless them" "May God show love" "thank God I got my money the other day" "God Children"  

            True critic not only wants his "verboten words" banned - he wants every utterance of them on this site deleted! Hitler would have been proud of these three.

            It's a shame that people like these get their way so much nowadays across the country against the wishes of the overwhelming majority of the American public but the fact is that with the help of liberal judges and Anti-American organizations like the ACLU, they do.

            And now, this tiny minority of weirdos wants to call the shots here.

            I was giving you credit for being able to read - but apparently you can't do that either!

            Pull everything out of context and add your lies - you're really a piece of work.    I've posted "in favor of religion at times" and you conveniently leave all that out.  For the record, I have said that I am in favor of moving religion and atheist discussions to the blogs.  Nowhere is there any statement by me that I am an atheist.   Nowhere is there anything by me saying there cannot be religious discussions.

            You like the Constitution?  What a lying rat you are.  You don't want to follow the Constitution you only want to follow what you want.  You are always speaking AGAINST the laws!  You are always speaking about how no one is going to stop you from doing things your way.  Regardless what the law says.  You have no respect for anyone.

            I never said delete all those words from the entire Lottery Post database - that's your stupid interpretation.  There are many words programmed to be automatically deleted by Todd.  And reference to my suggestion to delete them - is only if and when current religious discussion is ordered to be in the blogs only.  Not past discussions.

            This was simply a suggestion based on the post by addai1516.  I simply agreed it would keep the threads clear for LOTTERY discussion!  Told you before, you don't want the religious arguments moved to blogs, fine.  I don't really care if they stay in the mainstream. 

            You keep posting and repeating what you think of this thread:

            rdgrnr's quote:  http://www.lotterypost.com/thread/232208/2078591  "I rated this thread one star (my first time ever rating anything one star) and will not be voting in your poll because it's simply more of your phony-baloney harassment of Christians."

            You didn't like the thread from the start and you keep posting and coming back!  What an idiot.  You have no solution, you only want to bully everyone in this thread.  People: just look through this thread and see how many posters got sarcastic remarks from rdgrnr because HE doesn't like their comments!

            Here is the original post about moving religious discussions that has rdgrnr going off his rocker:

            This a lottrey website, each time the bible and religion topics pop up there is an uproar hatred and insults , believers and non believers  are here on lp. May be such topics needs to be banned to bring peace to all. This means religion, the bible and God topics needs to be in blogs or banned !! This should not be an offence to the believer and non believer.This a lottrey website lets talk about  the lottrey.Subject matter becomes too sensitve to others."

            You are complaining about something that doesn't exist.  It is up to Todd to make changes.  Everything is just how you like it - nothing has been changed.  Can't understand why you continue to fight when it is exactly the way you want it? 

            Have someone tuck you in and go to church tomorrow.


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              Posted: June 4, 2011, 9:46 pm - IP Logged

              Parallels can be drawn between this phoney-baloney thread and current events.

              All over the country, nutjob socialist/atheists are disrupting American traditions because they are "offended" by something. In most of these cases it is one person who wants everything changed because he/she or his or her parents are offended by something like a cross being present over the entrance to an auditorium or there are words they don't like in the class Valedictorian's speech.

              As ridiculous as it sounds, it's true. A Texas Appeals Court just overruled a liberal judge who said the class Valedictorian couldn't mention that she was going to pray for her fellow graduates in her speech.

              This kind of crap from the atheists is just getting way out of hand.

              ONE student didn't want to hear the word pray in a speech and a big court battle had to be fought! Couldn't that one student have just covered his or her ears if hearing the word pray would have been so catastrophic?

              And now we have it here.

              Little mario38, jimmy4164 and true critic are our resident atheists who are offended by certain words and want them banned.

              Let's listen to the demands of true critic:

              "Any post with the words God, Jesus, prayers or other religious connotations should be deleted.  I don't want to read  "God luck" "God created the box bet" "I will keep you in my prayers" "I'm praying for a win" "need some prayers" "God bless America" "God bless them" "May God show love" "thank God I got my money the other day" "God Children"  

              True critic not only wants his "verboten words" banned - he wants every utterance of them on this site deleted! Hitler would have been proud of these three.

              It's a shame that people like these get their way so much nowadays across the country against the wishes of the overwhelming majority of the American public but the fact is that with the help of liberal judges and Anti-American organizations like the ACLU, they do.

              And now, this tiny minority of weirdos wants to call the shots here.

              I have never declared my religious affiliation in this forum so stop spreading lies. I assume telling lies is a sin in your religion. If it is not, it should be.

              I am not offended by certain words but I am offended by your immature behavior.

              One more suggestion. You keep saying this is a phoney thread and you voted it one star. So stop posting in this thread.

                rdgrnr's avatar - walt
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                I was giving you credit for being able to read - but apparently you can't do that either!

                Pull everything out of context and add your lies - you're really a piece of work.    I've posted "in favor of religion at times" and you conveniently leave all that out.  For the record, I have said that I am in favor of moving religion and atheist discussions to the blogs.  Nowhere is there any statement by me that I am an atheist.   Nowhere is there anything by me saying there cannot be religious discussions.

                You like the Constitution?  What a lying rat you are.  You don't want to follow the Constitution you only want to follow what you want.  You are always speaking AGAINST the laws!  You are always speaking about how no one is going to stop you from doing things your way.  Regardless what the law says.  You have no respect for anyone.

                I never said delete all those words from the entire Lottery Post database - that's your stupid interpretation.  There are many words programmed to be automatically deleted by Todd.  And reference to my suggestion to delete them - is only if and when current religious discussion is ordered to be in the blogs only.  Not past discussions.

                This was simply a suggestion based on the post by addai1516.  I simply agreed it would keep the threads clear for LOTTERY discussion!  Told you before, you don't want the religious arguments moved to blogs, fine.  I don't really care if they stay in the mainstream. 

                You keep posting and repeating what you think of this thread:

                rdgrnr's quote:  http://www.lotterypost.com/thread/232208/2078591  "I rated this thread one star (my first time ever rating anything one star) and will not be voting in your poll because it's simply more of your phony-baloney harassment of Christians."

                You didn't like the thread from the start and you keep posting and coming back!  What an idiot.  You have no solution, you only want to bully everyone in this thread.  People: just look through this thread and see how many posters got sarcastic remarks from rdgrnr because HE doesn't like their comments!

                Here is the original post about moving religious discussions that has rdgrnr going off his rocker:

                This a lottrey website, each time the bible and religion topics pop up there is an uproar hatred and insults , believers and non believers  are here on lp. May be such topics needs to be banned to bring peace to all. This means religion, the bible and God topics needs to be in blogs or banned !! This should not be an offence to the believer and non believer.This a lottrey website lets talk about  the lottrey.Subject matter becomes too sensitve to others."

                You are complaining about something that doesn't exist.  It is up to Todd to make changes.  Everything is just how you like it - nothing has been changed.  Can't understand why you continue to fight when it is exactly the way you want it? 

                Have someone tuck you in and go to church tomorrow.

                Typical, but then I said you were the biggest fraud, phony and hypocrite here. I forgot to include liar.

                You can deny, deny, deny but they are your words - not mine, not addai's, not anybody else's but yours.

                Here they are again for your viewing pleasure, my little nazi:

                 

                "Any post with the words God, Jesus, prayers or other religious connotations should be deleted.  I don't want to read  "God luck" "God created the box bet" "I will keep you in my prayers" "I'm praying for a win" "need some prayers" "God bless America" "God bless them" "May God show love" "thank God I got my money the other day" "God Children"

                 

                Now let me correct one of your lies.

                You said you just want words you don't like banned, not deleted from the database. Read your words above now and tell me what you said.

                OK, now you can go back to reading Mein Kampf.

                And try minding your own business, princess. Nobody needs you telling them what words are allowed. Especially when you won't contribute a penny to help out around here. Get a hobby or something. I'd recommend high-fashion hairstyling for someone like you.


                                                             
                                     
                                                         

                 

                 

                 

                 

                                                                                                                   

                "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"

                                                                                                            --Edmund Burke

                 

                 

                  rdgrnr's avatar - walt
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                  I have never declared my religious affiliation in this forum so stop spreading lies. I assume telling lies is a sin in your religion. If it is not, it should be.

                  I am not offended by certain words but I am offended by your immature behavior.

                  One more suggestion. You keep saying this is a phoney thread and you voted it one star. So stop posting in this thread.

                  If I stopped posting in this thread it'd be the first time in your life anybody ever listened to you.

                  If it's all the same to you, I don't want that distinction.

                  Now go chase a moose or something junior, the big people are talking.


                                                               
                                       
                                                           

                   

                   

                   

                   

                                                                                                                     

                  "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"

                                                                                                              --Edmund Burke

                   

                   

                    rdgrnr's avatar - walt
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                    Hey true critic,

                     

                     

                       US Flag God Bless America!   US Flag 

                     

                     

                    (I know you hate the flag too)  LOL


                                                                 
                                         
                                                             

                     

                     

                     

                     

                                                                                                                       

                    "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"

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                          rdgrnr's avatar - walt
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                          Who's Benny Hinn and Creflo Dollar?

                          I can't do videos.


                                                                       
                                               
                                                                   

                           

                           

                           

                           

                                                                                                                             

                          "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"

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                            rdgrnr,

                            All over the country, nutjob socialist/atheists are disrupting American traditions because they are "offended" by something. In most of these cases it is one person who wants everything changed because he/she or his or her parents are offended by something like a cross being present over the entrance to an auditorium or there are words they don't like in the class Valedictorian's speech.

                            Yup. Right you are, rdgrnr. This is why political correctness is the religion of the devil. It puts the individual at the center of the universe and they think everyone has to cater to them. And it never is a two way street. Some reprobate is upset about a nativity scene at Chrsitmas and can't understand why other people get upset about them demanding their way, inspite of it being something they've seen all their lives and until pc kicked in and somebody raised a fuss. The idiots that want the crosses removed from all military headstones come to mind here. After al it's government property and they try the separation of church and state angle. Never mind the feelings of those who want the crosses on the headstomes of their family members. Let's cater to some little leftist bedwetter who has never done a thing for their country. Enter pc and some reprobate little attention whore wants to raise a fuss about something they don't particularly like, or they just want to raise a fuss and have political protection.

                            Then when the pc crowd is challenged or told one of their maneuvers is pure baloney, if they can't answer it they call it a lie or 'racist'.

                            Matthew 24:10

                            New King James Version (NKJV)

                            10 And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another.

                            I haven't seen anyone in this thread point a gun at anyone and demand they  say a conversion prayer.

                            Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                            Lep

                            There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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                              gotta side with joker on benny hinn and creflo wallet taking purposeful detours solely for profitable gain on historical Christianity.

                              the "gospel" they preach only works in america,  and being the voice of reason and common sense when it comes to the consistentcy of historical Christianity,  if it only works in america......it ain't the "true gospel".

                              if it was true,  their "gospel" would work in 3rd world countries,  and those with enough "faith" could extract themselves right out of poverty.     it doesn't,  therefore it ain't

                              those guys beg their "congregations" to keep sending in money to "make sure" their ministries stay afloat,  all the while neglecting to inform said congregants that the money they sent in to keep them afloat,  they used to buy bentley's and mansions,  etc, etc, etc...

                              that's some prosperity "gospel" all right.......for the pastors teaching it.

                              those 2 guys are poster children for thinking you can "pray your way" to a lottery win (IF you have "enough faith").

                              which NO ONE can

                              that premise should work (believing by faith) in nigeria,  on nigerian lotteries,  shouldn't it?    so if it does,  why do nigerians scam americans?

                              steer your sailboat using a sail filled with common sense,  and not the rudder of emotion,  and you sift thru these ploys yourself like hot butter.

                              and joker,  you kinda lost the right to take a swat at Christianity (even though this time it is an accurate one), until you can show us a VIDEO  of the $1000 check,  or the supposed correspondance between you and mr $1000 challenge you "alledgedly sent"

                              why do i think you never sent it,  like you claim you did?

                              because i know you,  and if you did,  as jacked as you get in here,  you would have showed that ASAP

                                          "i am .........."meant to"       

                              P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

                                       until further notice,  it's  france everyday

                                 
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