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Can prayer affect the outcome of a lottery

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Praying for a lottery win will:

Improve the chances of winning [ 34 ]  [45.95%]
Worsen the chances of winning [ 0 ]  [0.00%]
Have no influence on the chances of winning [ 40 ]  [54.05%]
Total Valid Votes [ 74 ]  
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Lol, I just used that to illustrate the censorship, dallas. I just wanted him to know who he's emulating when he starts down that road of "verboten" words and censorship.

I don't want to debate faith, God or religion here with anyone but I don't think someone saying God bless America or I prayed for this or that hurts anybody.

And I'd be very surprised if most people here didn't agree with that.

But some people are going to be offended no matter what, simply because it's their nature and they actually enjoy being contrary.

Some people just can't live and let live.

I Agree!

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    My vote is that it has no influence on your chances of winning.

    Gonna win.Big Smile

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      depends on which religion


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        depends on which religion

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          Choose wisely, cause if you don't, you could end up in a bad part of town somewhere up there in the Ether....

           

           

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          I was somewhat surprised to see that a movement I once belonged to in Kentucky wasn't listed -The Bourbonists.

          I suppose they may have disbanded when a few of us broke away and started our own faction - The Jacques Danielites.

          It was a hell of a schism.

          Big drunken brawl.

          Bourbonist bastages.


                                                       
                               
                                                   

           

           

           

           

                                                                                                             

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            "And what is with the cult stuff? There are several denominations as well as independents                                          that do not believe Jesus Christ is God".

             exactly.  that's exactly what defines a "christian cult".... anyone who knowingly departs from the essentials of the doctrines of Christianity is a cult.   the first and foremost litMUST test as to whether or not they are,  is if they willifully detour from Jesus Christ being God in the flesh.

            that is the most "essential",  of ALL the essentials of historical Christianity.

            when a person cannot say that (that Jesus Christ is God),  scripture tells us to run in the other direction,  nothing that comes from that is "truth",  and  they are nothing more than wolf's in sheeps clothing.

            you keep thinking i am going to be PC about this,  and yet you know i don't throw my hat into any "favorite people" awards contests

            maybe you can tell the board what year your cult decided that God "changed His mind" on who Christ claimed to be?    that fact alone ought to underline how long that "truth" has been around .......in comparison to historical never changing / evolving edicts.

            ..........................................................................................................................................

            and no, God is not someone you can strong arm to make Him do what YOU want Him to do,  just so He "HAS" to give you all your cult tells you that you "deserve".

            prayer (and using the lottery as an example) is just like i said,  it's WORSHIP, and just like i said,  it isn't so much a frame of mind as asking for something to get what YOU want,  it's getting on the same page that God is already on,  to see what He already has in store via His will ....future tense. 

            you imply that we cannot "ask" in that equation,  and the answer to that is whole heartily YES WE CAN. 

            it's just that your cult teaches you have to manipulate God (or attempt to)......so you can "have it all".    unfortunately your cult doesn't teach the fullness of Gods character that includes the "no" in that equation.

            cherry pick scriptures all you want from your cults hit parade of wishful thinking,  but you have ALOT of explaining to do that if that's the way it's 'supposed' to go down,  that you can't even pay your bills off of your pick 3, 4, 5 and 6 pursuits off the back of your "God owes me everything" angle.   remember when i reminded you how you let too much TMI out in these blogs about your own personal life,  and admitted your not going to be on cribs anytime soon?

            why is that?    because your cults teaching about prayer isn't working out so hot?

            how long before it kicks in?    you must be not praying quite enough,  or your not being bold enough and DEMANDING God do it NOW.

            get out the amplified megaphone (but don't let him hear you making perv comments)

            you preach it likes it's fact,   yet you are empty handed when it comes to the meat-and-potatoes "proof" of your demand that it's so

            if you are such the example of how to pray "successfully",  especially on the subject matter of the lottery,  at some point your claims have to match your accomplishments,  and the truth is you haven't even "prayed" your way out of being mr thin wallet yourself.

            i actually don't mind confident people who can lay out a successful / bankable plan that's true.   but i also know the value that if someone screams"it works",  makes it sound easy in it's methodology thereof,  and STILL can't mirror a jot or a tittle of it,  is full of it.

            and,  the icing on your anti-freeze laced cake is yet another proof of you being a perv with your sexual imagery "ism" at the end of your post.   good job,  DD   consistency of character.

            actually,  the older i get,  the more i understand about the nature / character of God,  the less i feel the need to ask him for stuff or to "fix" my life.

            prayer is worship, and as such it involves trust based on an excellant track record within a relationship.  God said He will supply "all my needs".   suddenly i have to remind Him He is distracted from that part of the committment He made to me? 

            nope,  i DON'T need to remind Him of that.  i am the one if anything within that realtionship that is emotionally "forgetful" that He made that comittment to me,  so it's MY responsibility to adjust to whatever He decides He wants to do concerning my "needs"

            either a no OR a yes.   i purposefully put "no" first,  because most people only want to hear a yes,  and i am demonstrating that i trust God so,  a "no" i just as viable within His decison making over my life.

            i don't have to "remind Him",  nor i most certainly don't have to beg Him.

            if i beg or negotiate (which is about what most people attribute prayer to),  then MY perspective is way off.

            the longer i live,  the more i admire Gods ability to take care of me, the less i "pray" about anything.  it's not that i don't have intense freedom within the realtionship to ask, i do,  but it's more of me already knowing God has my back on all fronts,  so i don't need to.

            i used to ask ask ask like anyone else that doesn't know better,  until i switched gears from my insecurity of "will He",   to "of course He will.....but on His terms,  and not how i think He always should".

            made me "pray less",  and "trust more"

            me me me me me me me is NOT what prayer is about,  or for.

            prayer is to acknowledge that God is in control,  and i am going to place myself under that blanket

            do you have a gaggle of candles and incense around your personal ATM machine at your house,  the one that you pasted a picture of the "god" with dollar signs for eyes,   the machine that's empty?

            that's your cults "version" of prayer

            VD, from what you say about prayer, I can only conclude that Jesus Christ sinned because he prayed to God, his Father.  Hell, he even taught his disciples to pray and sin.

            “give us this day our daily bread”.

             

            I know how the game goes there. You cannot handle the Word so you go back to personal attacks. Your best shot is BS running down your leg and more unsubstantiated doctrine to make God sound like you’re his biggest fan and frequent reader. The cult stuff may stall a few from reading and absorbing things that some wished they were taught long ago, and you want to scare them like I am going to take their minds away. You think it is sin to ask a god for an answer to prayer. You think it is selfish. Well Mr. Visionary, what is a God for?

            Isaiah
            5:20


            Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil;
            that put darkness for light, and
            light for darkness; that put
            bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

             

            A radio show by some Trinitarian is pushing J.C. is God is on. Sounds like the RC’s are getting a face lift as the ‘church’ gets with the program?!  The Pope has the head high priest of the VooDoo worshipers at a Burgerking convention to umbrella all religions??? Seems there is some resistance among the followers who want to ask the 'church', WTF?  Ya know Joker pointed out that many religions have a woman/messiah-child focus. Why is there so much competition about spiritual matters with the same theme? Why so many paths? Surely if there is a devil and an entity that is opposed to the true God to redirect people’s worship, don’t you think a campaign would be on to do that? I do and there is. Someday there will be a world religion and if you do not bow, you burn no matter what you used to believe or want to: Mandatory worship. Every religion of the world will be consolidated into a new one. A NEW ONE. A New World Order. Now that is what I consider as being a cult.

             

            Trinitarian forgeries have been documented where the texts were toyed with. If you want to believe a lie, you have freedom of will to do so. Oh, that’s right,.. you are being used. Sorry, your will is not your own, you want to be possessed by a god. Your god sucks to the max. He is not only a liar but he is a manipulator too. Sounds like many a drunk I have met including the preacher who has a handout like Balaam while advertising he is a man of God. Then, when he gets what he wants for free he blesses you like it is his job. What a user. Sober or drunk it is the same spirit and he never got cleaned up where it counts; Another false god glorification in the name of God. You should shop around for a god that is a little more God-like. One who you don’t feel like the worm you were taught to think you are so you can approach him. One who does not focus on your SIN NATURE to motivate you with FEAR. One who likes you.

            Funny, it sounds like we reference the same book, but you don’t read it, you listen to Hinn and the traditions of
            men. How sad. It really is not even a fair discussion; you are worthless man.

             

            That Hale-bop thing was funny Ridge. When I leave on that gospel ship, there will be no looking back. I will return in glory with the Lord of glory and I have no regrets missing out on whatever fun every goat gets to experience while I am away. Notice all the religious freaks telling you to buy gold for financial salvation? Put your trust in GOLD, buy overvalued minting now! Pat Boone makes my skin crawl, what a sell-out and he is sooo sincere. Ick!

             

            VD, you are about YOU and not God, just like every sincere biblical illiterate I have met that will not look at the book but rather, wills to hold to traditional teachings that (JOKER you are right) are FABLES. There is more hope for Joker than your kind. Go count a bead and talk to a plaster statue while you light a candle and huff some incense,
            listen to the bells of invocation,… (all are pagan temple practices). Got an alter? How about the weekly sacrifice where some freak says you are going to drink the blood and eat the body of a dead man? Transubstantiation is not in the book!  It is a tradition. Wine and bread represented something, not became it. Christ is Crucified every day of the year when you observe that pagan act.   But for many that is what they were taught. It would be a betrayal for one to turn away from those they enable to teach the lies  -those they trusted explicitly. Christ taught truth versus tradition. So do I. Pretty scary cult, eh? It is called Get a New God. Boo!

            Mark 10:18
            And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

             

            If following the man who said he was the way, the truth and the life is being in a cult, then I am in it for keeps. The insurance bet cannot be made after the play. You sincere folk can focus on survival. The primary motivator
            in the next dispensation will be self preservation. There will even be cannibalism.

            Did you hear the one about the cannibal
            who passed his brother in the woods?

             

            Jesus Christ is not God, the dead are not alive and, Prayer is not sin or tempting God. Get a bigger god VD. You are the blind that lead the blind to destruction. You will bow or burn. You bet your life!

            DD

            Matthew
            5:11


            Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all
            manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

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              In light of the recent discussions about the affect of prayer on the outcome of a lottery draw, I am curious to what the average person thinks. I am more interested in the vote outcome rather than the rationale behind the vote. But if there is a discussion, please try to keep it civil.

              Thanks

              If it was meant for folks to Pray to Win the Lottery: Then: How to Pray to Win the Lottery would be Taught in Bible Study! Thud

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                If it was meant for folks to Pray to Win the Lottery: Then: How to Pray to Win the Lottery would be Taught in Bible Study! Thud

                http://www.pflbiblestudy.org/

                Raven62,

                The prayer is a pre-lottery prayer, it ws being said many times before lotteries existed.

                It goes something like:

                Under the B, 6, under the I, 21 , etc.....

                joker17,

                You forgot Birkham Yoga, for one! (The yoga studi is kept very hot).

                 And waht about Mowaism?

                The USS Toe Crud is the flagship of the Mowa fleet.

                Man

                Woman

                Birth

                Life

                Death

                Mowa

                :frizz:

                Some guys in the Airborne actually had this dog tag:

                Name:

                Blood Type: OD

                Religion: Airborne Infantry.....

                PS

                Most of the muslim organizations are Al Qaeda fronts, just like CAIR.

                Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                Lep

                There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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                  Raven62,

                  The prayer is a pre-lottery prayer, it ws being said many times before lotteries existed.

                  It goes something like:

                  Under the B, 6, under the I, 21 , etc.....

                  joker17,

                  You forgot Birkham Yoga, for one! (The yoga studi is kept very hot).

                   And waht about Mowaism?

                  The USS Toe Crud is the flagship of the Mowa fleet.

                  Man

                  Woman

                  Birth

                  Life

                  Death

                  Mowa

                  :frizz:

                  Some guys in the Airborne actually had this dog tag:

                  Name:

                  Blood Type: OD

                  Religion: Airborne Infantry.....

                  PS

                  Most of the muslim organizations are Al Qaeda fronts, just like CAIR.

                  TC, you are correct!! My wife and I say a prayer every sunday afternoon at the VFW, " Oh Lord, let us win just one game''. Yesterday, it worked for both of us, twice for her and once for me!!!

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                    My vote is that it has no influence on your chances of winning.

                    That's the way I feel too but it's so ironic that I was praying before I came on LP just a minute or two ago...what I was praying for was to learn to gamble responsibly because I don't always do that...hardly ever.

                      I prayed that because I don't want to stop but just get it under more control & let it be fun again...my main game is p3 & I can't really see giving it up anytime soon.

                      Anyway while I was praying I felt I shouldn't be praying for that because deep down I don't think it was the thing to do so you can imagine my surprise when I logged on & the very first thing I saw was this thread...I could not believe it...it was like God was telling me to read all of these responses & figure out the answer for myself.

                    I was not going to post about this but decided I would anyway...so there!

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                      Scripture tells you that all things shall pass. This, too, shall pass.

                      Oops...

                      Actually, that's not in the Bible

                      See truesee's blog.

                      Truesee's Daily Wonder:
                      http://blogs.lotterypost.com/truesee/2011/6/actually-thats-not-in-the-bible.htm

                      Nothing against the State of Tennessee but this is a gem!

                      Rabbi Rami Shapiro, who once had to persuade a student in his Bible class at Middle Tennessee State University that the saying “this dog won’t hunt” doesn’t appear in the Book of Proverbs.

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                        Well I would not vote because really nobody knows for sure. All I know is that prayer changes things, I believe you can pray for whatever you desire whether is money or whatever situation you find yourself in, and you want to change it, you can pray. on the other end, people pray every day for different reasons and some prayers get answered and some dont. I think its just a personal belief.

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                          Choose wisely, cause if you don't, you could end up in a bad part of town somewhere up there in the Ether....

                           

                           

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                          still talking tash, eh joker ?

                          what makes you think in the ethical game of life that you have the right to do that,  when you continually refuse to back up claims you made yourself ?

                          you could be looked up to as a man of reason,  except for the fact that you keep blatantly act one sided,  never offering up objective arguements instead of just being a trouble causing jerk.

                          "Choose wisely, cause if you don't, you could end up in a bad part of town somewhere up there in the Ether"....

                            there isn't anything "objective" for the sake of universal truth in that statement.

                          your just a troll looking to cause strife within peoples beliefs systems.

                          your posts are aimed at doing harm,  not "enlightening" people.

                          you know how i know your motive?    because you LIED about sending that dude your video's,  AFTER claiming they contained "undeniable proof".

                          and of course --------->  STILL NO $1000 CHECK

                                      "i am .........."meant to"       

                          P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

                                   until further notice,  it's  france everyday

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                            Posted: June 6, 2011, 1:17 pm - IP Logged

                            VD, from what you say about prayer, I can only conclude that Jesus Christ sinned because he prayed to God, his Father.  Hell, he even taught his disciples to pray and sin.

                            “give us this day our daily bread”.

                             

                            I know how the game goes there. You cannot handle the Word so you go back to personal attacks. Your best shot is BS running down your leg and more unsubstantiated doctrine to make God sound like you’re his biggest fan and frequent reader. The cult stuff may stall a few from reading and absorbing things that some wished they were taught long ago, and you want to scare them like I am going to take their minds away. You think it is sin to ask a god for an answer to prayer. You think it is selfish. Well Mr. Visionary, what is a God for?

                            Isaiah
                            5:20


                            Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil;
                            that put darkness for light, and
                            light for darkness; that put
                            bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

                             

                            A radio show by some Trinitarian is pushing J.C. is God is on. Sounds like the RC’s are getting a face lift as the ‘church’ gets with the program?!  The Pope has the head high priest of the VooDoo worshipers at a Burgerking convention to umbrella all religions??? Seems there is some resistance among the followers who want to ask the 'church', WTF?  Ya know Joker pointed out that many religions have a woman/messiah-child focus. Why is there so much competition about spiritual matters with the same theme? Why so many paths? Surely if there is a devil and an entity that is opposed to the true God to redirect people’s worship, don’t you think a campaign would be on to do that? I do and there is. Someday there will be a world religion and if you do not bow, you burn no matter what you used to believe or want to: Mandatory worship. Every religion of the world will be consolidated into a new one. A NEW ONE. A New World Order. Now that is what I consider as being a cult.

                             

                            Trinitarian forgeries have been documented where the texts were toyed with. If you want to believe a lie, you have freedom of will to do so. Oh, that’s right,.. you are being used. Sorry, your will is not your own, you want to be possessed by a god. Your god sucks to the max. He is not only a liar but he is a manipulator too. Sounds like many a drunk I have met including the preacher who has a handout like Balaam while advertising he is a man of God. Then, when he gets what he wants for free he blesses you like it is his job. What a user. Sober or drunk it is the same spirit and he never got cleaned up where it counts; Another false god glorification in the name of God. You should shop around for a god that is a little more God-like. One who you don’t feel like the worm you were taught to think you are so you can approach him. One who does not focus on your SIN NATURE to motivate you with FEAR. One who likes you.

                            Funny, it sounds like we reference the same book, but you don’t read it, you listen to Hinn and the traditions of
                            men. How sad. It really is not even a fair discussion; you are worthless man.

                             

                            That Hale-bop thing was funny Ridge. When I leave on that gospel ship, there will be no looking back. I will return in glory with the Lord of glory and I have no regrets missing out on whatever fun every goat gets to experience while I am away. Notice all the religious freaks telling you to buy gold for financial salvation? Put your trust in GOLD, buy overvalued minting now! Pat Boone makes my skin crawl, what a sell-out and he is sooo sincere. Ick!

                             

                            VD, you are about YOU and not God, just like every sincere biblical illiterate I have met that will not look at the book but rather, wills to hold to traditional teachings that (JOKER you are right) are FABLES. There is more hope for Joker than your kind. Go count a bead and talk to a plaster statue while you light a candle and huff some incense,
                            listen to the bells of invocation,… (all are pagan temple practices). Got an alter? How about the weekly sacrifice where some freak says you are going to drink the blood and eat the body of a dead man? Transubstantiation is not in the book!  It is a tradition. Wine and bread represented something, not became it. Christ is Crucified every day of the year when you observe that pagan act.   But for many that is what they were taught. It would be a betrayal for one to turn away from those they enable to teach the lies  -those they trusted explicitly. Christ taught truth versus tradition. So do I. Pretty scary cult, eh? It is called Get a New God. Boo!

                            Mark 10:18
                            And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

                             

                            If following the man who said he was the way, the truth and the life is being in a cult, then I am in it for keeps. The insurance bet cannot be made after the play. You sincere folk can focus on survival. The primary motivator
                            in the next dispensation will be self preservation. There will even be cannibalism.

                            Did you hear the one about the cannibal
                            who passed his brother in the woods?

                             

                            Jesus Christ is not God, the dead are not alive and, Prayer is not sin or tempting God. Get a bigger god VD. You are the blind that lead the blind to destruction. You will bow or burn. You bet your life!

                            DD

                            Matthew
                            5:11


                            Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all
                            manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

                            DD,  Jesus Christ was crucified solely because of the "crime" of claiming Himself to be God

                            later on,  i will come back and handle that,  and the prayer issue some more,  just to counteract your cults teaching.

                            you lost your ability to "teach" when you kept up the uncontrolled perv behavior,  you ditched historical Christianity in favor of your hysterical christianity,  and the FACT that even you can't mirror your supposed cults "teaching" about wealth....

                            .....cuz your wallet is thin

                            you should go play in some sandbox with lesser men. 

                            in here,  your just getting sand kicked over your "playtoys" left and right

                                        "i am .........."meant to"       

                            P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

                                     until further notice,  it's  france everyday


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                              Posted: June 6, 2011, 1:29 pm - IP Logged

                              Well I would not vote because really nobody knows for sure. All I know is that prayer changes things, I believe you can pray for whatever you desire whether is money or whatever situation you find yourself in, and you want to change it, you can pray. on the other end, people pray every day for different reasons and some prayers get answered and some dont. I think its just a personal belief.

                              Your response is confusing. On the one hand you write "nobody knows for sure" and then you follow that up with a contradictory "All I know is that prayer changes things". 

                              So the question is, does prayer change things for the better or for the worse?

                                 
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