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Can prayer affect the outcome of a lottery

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Praying for a lottery win will:

Improve the chances of winning [ 34 ]  [45.95%]
Worsen the chances of winning [ 0 ]  [0.00%]
Have no influence on the chances of winning [ 40 ]  [54.05%]
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i just think it's tragically hypocritical to watch as truecritic feigns innocence at his musings at LP,  when archived footage of past wrassling matches shows it doesn't take that long before the guy will make the last resort gutter move,  and lie about someones character when the match starts shifting from his grasp of what ought to be.

having been on the receiving end of truecritics last ditch effort manuevers,  i can attest to his chosen go to move personally.

don't mind having 100 people coming after me all at once.  i can handle myself.     i'm a multitasker

don't like being a part of the "pile on" crowd,  when someones getting taken to the integrity cleaners,  opting instead to watch from the hallway as they get their due from someone else.

but i will make an exception this time,  because truecritic deserves it

 

and while i am at it,  i will even make a prediction,  because this is LP,  and "predictions" are part of the atmosphere in here,  and that is .....truecritic and the likes thereof will lick their wounds for now,  they will go on temporary staycation,  and sooner rather than later when this scenario comes up again...."they" will attempt it again.

how i am so good at predictions you might ask?    because i happen to replicate truth above people,  and "those guys" are driven by hatred for the subject matter,  and not by middle of the road objectivity / sensitivities. 

they don't possess a nuetrality bone about this.    it's a lie when they claim they do

the kind of hatred even they won't recognize as such,  and therefore,  there have no muffler system,  and self control issues make this a sure inevitability.

 i would say go play somewhere else,  and leave us alone,  when and if we include God into our conversation,  but i know that's an unrealistic expectation based in guaranteed predictability

not to worry,  i will still be here,  writing the word "equality" on the sidewalk with permanent marker (instead of washable sidewalk chalk).

it's what i do

thanks ridge and cointoss for sticking your necks out when most people are more interested in "not offending anyone",  rather than standing up for what is right ...... ----->  FINALLY  Thumbs Up

            "i am .........."meant to"       

P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

         until further notice,  it's  france everyday

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    And the never ending subject just continues to roll along and on and on.................

    Big John says. You don't hit the number. The number hits you!!!!

                   I'm not Big John, I'm Four4me, Big John's a friend.
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      and for the record,  even though i am not sure of jimmy 4164's bias about god or religion,  as far as i can tell,  he only made "observations" about the subject matter. 

       i didn't observe where he attempted to "kill" the conversation about God,  et al.

      there is absolutely nothing wrong with a polar opposite view,  and even if jimmy is an atheist,  he has every right to make respectful views and observations,  and so does anyone else.

      joker,  that includes you,  when you do it without having a terminal case of jerkitis

      i felt like he (jimmy) needed to be defended,  as to his motives.

      the problem people like "us" have,  is when the truecritic's of the world make their attempts at squashing something just because they don't like it.

      polar opposites are welcome

      pretenders to altruism will be taken to the cleaners everytime

                  "i am .........."meant to"       

      P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

               until further notice,  it's  france everyday

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        rdgrnr

        "Here's your post, pretty sure I included every ugly name calling you said.

        quote:

        You can deny, deny, deny but they are your words - not mine, not addai's, not anybody else's but yours.

        Here they are again for your viewing pleasure, my little nazi:

        "Any post with the words God, Jesus, prayers or other religious connotations should be deleted.  I don't want to read  "God luck" "God created the box bet" "I will keep you in my prayers" "I'm praying for a win" "need some prayers" "God bless America" "God bless them" "May God show love" "thank God I got my money the other day" "God Children"

        Now let me correct one of your lies.

        You said you just want words you don't like banned, not deleted from the database. Read your words above now and tell me what you said."

        I know it's hard on you, sorry, I can't type any slower for you to catch up.  Please try to improve your reading skills.  That says exactly what I said it says.  Todd automatically removes (deletes) certain words because they are not appropriate.  These religious and atheist discussions cause a disruption to the normal forum.  The arguments seem to be caused by certain words/phrases, such as those I listed.  If Todd decided to simply keep all religion in the blogs, then if someone used those words in the regular forum, they would be deleted.  If Todd does not want to limit religion to the blogs, then nothing happens to those words.

        I never said delete all those words from the entire Lottery Post database - that's your  interpretation.  Reference to my suggestion to delete them - is only if and when current religious discussion is ordered to be in the blogs only.  Not past discussions.  Unless you are going to go back and pick arguments from past discussions?  You sure pick a lot of arguments!  You sure want to argue over something that never happened.  Really, calm down, nothing has been changed.

        Right back at you: U.S. Flag

        We had a discussion about the flag.  You must have me mixed up with someone else about hating the flag.

        From here on, I'll just let you argue with yourself.


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          DD,  your a study in a man not even closely resembling his words and claims,  and that's why i made that notation.

          your a perv,  plain and simple,  but lucky for you,  i don't remember where it is that you made that comment to me about asking me to "save an underage teenage girl for you",  inferring sexual intentions.   it was sick,  and it wasn't a joke ...

          throw a coat of sugar over it all you want,  that isn't the only comment you have made about "girlfriends" and women in general.

          so you can reel off intelligent ramblings about God while inserting scriptural references better than most (big whoop),  you only "impress" impressionable minds,  not people who can slice open what you REALLY believe,  and who you personally are for the rest of us to see.

          consistentcy in behavior transcends a mans words,  and either validates them.....or tells us who they really are.

          i made that notation of you not because you are "imperfect",  because we all are.   but because it's a no conscience move on your part,  and true believers have a conscience.   the fact the i demonstrated that you don't,  shows your a wolf in sheeps clothing.

          but whatev,  your "game" was over when you stepped on your tongue by admitting your cult's mantra...."Jesus Christ is not God".

          when you made that one detour from forever start to finish historical Christianity,  your game was over then.

          just so people can see for themselves,  so they don't think it's just something personal because i don't like you,  fine,  here's another highlight reel peep into your dark world...

          "How’s the driver ED job going VD? You showing the girls all the right moves?"

           your not what you claim to be,  and your heart is anything but dark.

          you make the move from hysterical christianity to historical Christianity,  you will be able to turn that around.  if you don't,  it will only grow darker.

          Hey why don’t you document my comments you say are mine about women? C’mon.

          And what is with the cult stuff? There are several denominations as well as independents                                          that do not believe Jesus Christ is God.

          I like women, in fact I like them so much if there ever was a thing called reincarnation, I would want to be a
          lesbian next time around. But there is no such thing as reincarnation so that is a joke if you can hack it: A little dry humor.

           

          You are such a sucker and, you don’t know crap what the book says, you are like that Benny Hinn dude and if you keep at it and get a little help from the almost above, you could go places. You could do some lying signs and wonders all in the name of GOD and save a few bad girls from what the book really says.  Getting suckered into threads like this is really above you.

           

          Oh, and you still make prayer to God sound like sin. Well I got news for you and that is God cannot be tempted so if
          that is the only way you know how to pray like you are playing Let’s Make A Deal with God, naturally you see the evil in it and conclude all prayer is tempting God. Therefore you imply that it is wrong. Man, are you hosed up.

           

          I tell you,... if that was the god I was introduced to, I would either be crazier than a s-house rat or get a new god,
          hopefully one that was more fun and capable.

          Now unto Him (God) that is able to do exceedingly
          abundantly above all we ask or think,..according
          (a condition) to the power that worketh
          in us,...       Ephesians 3: 20

           -----------------------------------------

          Benny Hill does lying signs and wonders.
          His act is old and you can read about the same BS going on in the Book of Acts. The
          seven sons of Sceva were using a devil spirit names ‘Jesus’ to do some pretty
          amazing things. All was going well as exorcists but an exorcist exercises a
          devil spirit of lower rank than what they have. So along come the seven sons living large
          and a spirit talks back to them, “Jesus I know but who are you?”. They got quite a whipp’n: Acts 19:14.

           

          I can understand the confusion this crap brings to the unknowing. Now some 'slayings' may have been staged but some of it is real and these people get knocked out. The seven sons did the same crap and it got quite a bit of notoriety. There is nothing Godly about what you hear and see Hinn do. The real focus is on him,
          not God. The false god gets the glory because it is all a lie and it messes
          with the true God’s credibility in the minds of people.

          The reason the truth that Jesus Christ
          is not God offends so many is it is a spiritual problem and holding the
          traditional and popular belief that he
          is, is as useless as any
          religion under the sun for what you get. Religion is not godliness, it is what men do to men in the name of God. Like  saying prayer is sin or implying it is.

           

          If someone is going to pray to a god,
          would you not want the best one out there? One who promises and delivers? One who
          says, go ahead prove ME, prove My Word. Many do not know what the books says. Many so-called Christians have pathetic prayer lives and I can see why after so much failure they would attribute that
          failure to the act (prayer)  being a sin to justify why they suck at prayer. “God is
          busy, don’t bother Him , your puny little requests are below Him, now give me all your money”.

          But knowing the logic and for what
          god VD speaks,... yes, his pathetic god is offended by your prayers because he is
          not in the business to answer them. You might piss him off. Speak louder, maybe he sleeps or is hard of hearing.

           

          Like I said before many have taken an alter call on John 3:16 and did not get the goods and that is because John 3:16 points to the scripture that few teach for salvation: Romans 10: 9, 10. Many will be left behind thinking they are born again, are Sons of God, are SAVED. Many will be offended and will curse
          God. They will have to prove their conviction with their lives (bow or burn baby) after Christ
          returns for the believers in the AIR. The second part of Christ’s presence or
          parousia: Gr. is ON the earth later.

          If a man or woman wants to go through the hell
          and tribulation of the next spiritual dispensation, they have free will to do
          so. They should make an informed decision I think. Why stock up on food and ammunition
          for some kind of last stand? The only ones who get protected are the 144,000 Jews.
          Everyone else dies. If it is the end of the world, survivability sounds
          questionable. Why gamble on a long shot with your life? How about just making
          the insurance bet in case I am right? Insurance anyone???

           

          The ticket is available now. Everyone
          who has one wins a free ride. It will be better than any jackpot and far more
          sustaining. What would you think about someone preventing you to win the deal of your life and eternity, and selling you a bum ticket for another drawing you did not know about? Would you buy-in on a scam? That is what Hinn sells and nearly every denomination. If you don’t have the right ticket, you
          cannot win. Someone can do the odds on the 144k Vs the world population, but the
          odds are long you are not one of the 144,000.

           

          I’ll tell you what though, there are
          going to be some surprised Arabs someday who never really knew how close to the
          old genetic tree their ancestors brought them. Some descendants are of the
          tribes of Israel that were in captivity. You gotta love God’s humor. It is the best.
          Who is really getting the screwing on the captivity, and who made lemonade out
          of lemons? Did you ever wonder why there is a push to get everyone’s genetic
          information? It is for the anticipated hunt like Nimrod did; Kill the bloodline.
          God will protect them, all 144,000. Yet one man will claim the genetic purity,.... beware!

           The man-made gathering of Jews in Israel doesn’t account for what is hid in God. There
          are going to be some surprised ‘Jews’ too.

          Ha-ha.

          If you believe Jesus Christ is God, you will be surprised someday too. Even the followers of the Koran know
          Jesus Christ was not or is God and that is in their favor. Ah, lemon zest!

          Tripple HA!

          I know a so-called religious plick Christian that thinks Jesus would kill all the Arabs. Which Jesus?

          What is that saying about God sorting them out? He already has in His foreknowledge -they just don't know it yet.

          DD

          Altruism is for mental masturbators
          who do not need God, they have themselves to worship for their Works. But boy, they are as sincere as a heart attack like a used car salesman. The seven sons of Sceva were sons of a Jew, a chief priest
          of Israel,one sincere dude. Just imagine Benny Hinn. Sincerity is no guarantee for truth. If Hinn makes you puke, it is okay.

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            rdgrnr

            "Here's your post, pretty sure I included every ugly name calling you said.

            quote:

            You can deny, deny, deny but they are your words - not mine, not addai's, not anybody else's but yours.

            Here they are again for your viewing pleasure, my little nazi:

            "Any post with the words God, Jesus, prayers or other religious connotations should be deleted.  I don't want to read  "God luck" "God created the box bet" "I will keep you in my prayers" "I'm praying for a win" "need some prayers" "God bless America" "God bless them" "May God show love" "thank God I got my money the other day" "God Children"

            Now let me correct one of your lies.

            You said you just want words you don't like banned, not deleted from the database. Read your words above now and tell me what you said."

            I know it's hard on you, sorry, I can't type any slower for you to catch up.  Please try to improve your reading skills.  That says exactly what I said it says.  Todd automatically removes (deletes) certain words because they are not appropriate.  These religious and atheist discussions cause a disruption to the normal forum.  The arguments seem to be caused by certain words/phrases, such as those I listed.  If Todd decided to simply keep all religion in the blogs, then if someone used those words in the regular forum, they would be deleted.  If Todd does not want to limit religion to the blogs, then nothing happens to those words.

            I never said delete all those words from the entire Lottery Post database - that's your  interpretation.  Reference to my suggestion to delete them - is only if and when current religious discussion is ordered to be in the blogs only.  Not past discussions.  Unless you are going to go back and pick arguments from past discussions?  You sure pick a lot of arguments!  You sure want to argue over something that never happened.  Really, calm down, nothing has been changed.

            Right back at you: U.S. Flag

            We had a discussion about the flag.  You must have me mixed up with someone else about hating the flag.

            From here on, I'll just let you argue with yourself.

            Tell me something, princess. Let's just ignore all your typical double-talking lib-gib (liberal gibberish, I coined it in your honor), because it's always just nuanced more-of-the-same nonsensical lies, innuendo and whining. You like to run off at the mouth but you never really say anything of consequence in defense of yourself that isn't ridiculous. So let's just get to the heart of the matter.

            Just a couple questions:

            Why do you say management has to delete certain words that offend you and then say that if they aren't deleted it'll be fine with you because you don't really care if those words are deleted or not? Does that really make sense to your liberal/atheist mind? Really?

            And please don't blame it on addai again. That's the same excuse your hero uses almost 3 years into his term - "I inherited this nightmare." No, true critic, you came up with the list of words you don't want spoken here - not addai. Grow a pair.

            Secondly, do you feel even the least bit ashamed of yourself making all these demands when you won't contribute one thin dime to help management maintain and continuously improve, as they do, the best lottery site in the world? Why won't you help out?

            I'll address more of your lib-gib after you answer these questions because you seem to avoid certain issues if given a wide array.

             

            Oh, and one more thing, princess...

             

               US FlagGod Bless America! US Flag


                                                         
                                 
                                                     

             

             

             

             

                                                                                                               

            "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"

                                                                                                        --Edmund Burke

             

             

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              No place to vote "I don't know".

              Prayer's its own reward, or should be for those who do it.  Whether it changes lottery results, helps people win, doesn't, isn't easy to fold into the issue of prayer.  Certainly nobody's business other than the person who does the praying, anyway.

              Whether the question/poll was intended to start another flame war, or wasn't, anyone with half a brain could have predicted it a lot more accurately than anyone's managing to predict lottery results.

              Naught Hoss

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                Thanx for the kind words.

                Like i've said many times before. I'm spiritual to an extent, I just don't subscribe to organized religion. I'd be a total fool to think there isn't more to this life.I only say this because of my consciousness. The part where I sense all the things every other living thing senses on this planet, but with much more awareness and intensity. That's what makes us so different from all other creatures. Humans have the biggest brain in the animal kingdom. So maybe the bigger the brain, the smarter the subject. Look at all the Alien pictures, they have huge heads.

                We are the only creatures that are aware of our eventual mortality. So because of this, as a survival adaption, the brain has been on overtime since the beginning to find patterns and order from chaos.

                Anyways, didn't mean to digress.

                It's not that I "hate" any religion, even though I strongly disagree with most of their Ideologies, but If only the multitudes would only concern themselves with the beautiful attributes you so eloquently mentioned, the world would be a nicer place. I have no quams with any religion, I just hate the pointing of fingers. If i don't conform, then  I'm going to some unimangined hell and fire. They can't all be right, so I discounted them all and became a "SPIRITUAL" person. I don't have to meet strict stipulations that have nothing to do with my life resolve. Meaningless rituals in garbs, and ceremonies, unrealistic prayers and so on.

                I have no middleman. If i feel the need to communicate with something I know is out there but can't see, I'll speak to the Universal Intelligence. The Aliens have always talked about this. They calim that religious wars are our downfall. But they do also claim that there is a Universal Intelligence that is strongly intertwined in us, around us, and pretty much within the very fabric of the seemingly empty Univers,e and within inanimate and animate objects, just like i was writing about earlier in this thread concerning Quantum Physics.

                 

                Beleive me Tenaj, I know what it feels to be in tune with the Universe. And you are there too because you are a kindred spirit. You just happen to call it another name, that's all.

                May the Universal Intelligence touch your spirit Tenaj......

                You are welcome pacman.

                takeemtothebank

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                  Hey why don’t you document my comments you say are mine about women? C’mon.

                  And what is with the cult stuff? There are several denominations as well as independents                                          that do not believe Jesus Christ is God.

                  I like women, in fact I like them so much if there ever was a thing called reincarnation, I would want to be a
                  lesbian next time around. But there is no such thing as reincarnation so that is a joke if you can hack it: A little dry humor.

                   

                  You are such a sucker and, you don’t know crap what the book says, you are like that Benny Hinn dude and if you keep at it and get a little help from the almost above, you could go places. You could do some lying signs and wonders all in the name of GOD and save a few bad girls from what the book really says.  Getting suckered into threads like this is really above you.

                   

                  Oh, and you still make prayer to God sound like sin. Well I got news for you and that is God cannot be tempted so if
                  that is the only way you know how to pray like you are playing Let’s Make A Deal with God, naturally you see the evil in it and conclude all prayer is tempting God. Therefore you imply that it is wrong. Man, are you hosed up.

                   

                  I tell you,... if that was the god I was introduced to, I would either be crazier than a s-house rat or get a new god,
                  hopefully one that was more fun and capable.

                  Now unto Him (God) that is able to do exceedingly
                  abundantly above all we ask or think,..according
                  (a condition) to the power that worketh
                  in us,...       Ephesians 3: 20

                   -----------------------------------------

                  Benny Hill does lying signs and wonders.
                  His act is old and you can read about the same BS going on in the Book of Acts. The
                  seven sons of Sceva were using a devil spirit names ‘Jesus’ to do some pretty
                  amazing things. All was going well as exorcists but an exorcist exercises a
                  devil spirit of lower rank than what they have. So along come the seven sons living large
                  and a spirit talks back to them, “Jesus I know but who are you?”. They got quite a whipp’n: Acts 19:14.

                   

                  I can understand the confusion this crap brings to the unknowing. Now some 'slayings' may have been staged but some of it is real and these people get knocked out. The seven sons did the same crap and it got quite a bit of notoriety. There is nothing Godly about what you hear and see Hinn do. The real focus is on him,
                  not God. The false god gets the glory because it is all a lie and it messes
                  with the true God’s credibility in the minds of people.

                  The reason the truth that Jesus Christ
                  is not God offends so many is it is a spiritual problem and holding the
                  traditional and popular belief that he
                  is, is as useless as any
                  religion under the sun for what you get. Religion is not godliness, it is what men do to men in the name of God. Like  saying prayer is sin or implying it is.

                   

                  If someone is going to pray to a god,
                  would you not want the best one out there? One who promises and delivers? One who
                  says, go ahead prove ME, prove My Word. Many do not know what the books says. Many so-called Christians have pathetic prayer lives and I can see why after so much failure they would attribute that
                  failure to the act (prayer)  being a sin to justify why they suck at prayer. “God is
                  busy, don’t bother Him , your puny little requests are below Him, now give me all your money”.

                  But knowing the logic and for what
                  god VD speaks,... yes, his pathetic god is offended by your prayers because he is
                  not in the business to answer them. You might piss him off. Speak louder, maybe he sleeps or is hard of hearing.

                   

                  Like I said before many have taken an alter call on John 3:16 and did not get the goods and that is because John 3:16 points to the scripture that few teach for salvation: Romans 10: 9, 10. Many will be left behind thinking they are born again, are Sons of God, are SAVED. Many will be offended and will curse
                  God. They will have to prove their conviction with their lives (bow or burn baby) after Christ
                  returns for the believers in the AIR. The second part of Christ’s presence or
                  parousia: Gr. is ON the earth later.

                  If a man or woman wants to go through the hell
                  and tribulation of the next spiritual dispensation, they have free will to do
                  so. They should make an informed decision I think. Why stock up on food and ammunition
                  for some kind of last stand? The only ones who get protected are the 144,000 Jews.
                  Everyone else dies. If it is the end of the world, survivability sounds
                  questionable. Why gamble on a long shot with your life? How about just making
                  the insurance bet in case I am right? Insurance anyone???

                   

                  The ticket is available now. Everyone
                  who has one wins a free ride. It will be better than any jackpot and far more
                  sustaining. What would you think about someone preventing you to win the deal of your life and eternity, and selling you a bum ticket for another drawing you did not know about? Would you buy-in on a scam? That is what Hinn sells and nearly every denomination. If you don’t have the right ticket, you
                  cannot win. Someone can do the odds on the 144k Vs the world population, but the
                  odds are long you are not one of the 144,000.

                   

                  I’ll tell you what though, there are
                  going to be some surprised Arabs someday who never really knew how close to the
                  old genetic tree their ancestors brought them. Some descendants are of the
                  tribes of Israel that were in captivity. You gotta love God’s humor. It is the best.
                  Who is really getting the screwing on the captivity, and who made lemonade out
                  of lemons? Did you ever wonder why there is a push to get everyone’s genetic
                  information? It is for the anticipated hunt like Nimrod did; Kill the bloodline.
                  God will protect them, all 144,000. Yet one man will claim the genetic purity,.... beware!

                   The man-made gathering of Jews in Israel doesn’t account for what is hid in God. There
                  are going to be some surprised ‘Jews’ too.

                  Ha-ha.

                  If you believe Jesus Christ is God, you will be surprised someday too. Even the followers of the Koran know
                  Jesus Christ was not or is God and that is in their favor. Ah, lemon zest!

                  Tripple HA!

                  I know a so-called religious plick Christian that thinks Jesus would kill all the Arabs. Which Jesus?

                  What is that saying about God sorting them out? He already has in His foreknowledge -they just don't know it yet.

                  DD

                  Altruism is for mental masturbators
                  who do not need God, they have themselves to worship for their Works. But boy, they are as sincere as a heart attack like a used car salesman. The seven sons of Sceva were sons of a Jew, a chief priest
                  of Israel,one sincere dude. Just imagine Benny Hinn. Sincerity is no guarantee for truth. If Hinn makes you puke, it is okay.

                  "Hey why don’t you document my comments you say are mine about women? C’mon".

                   sure,  no problem. 

                  you said the exact same thing below in a different thread,  but this time your slime insisted it twist it's verbage to save face by adding ......"so I can save them from your twisted mind".   

                  it was a vein attempt on your part to clear yourself of perverted sexual impropriety when you originally said "save a few for me".

                   but everyone that picks truth over people and agenda knows what you really are,  a perv,  and one where your rambling / dizzying "version" of Christianity can't come up with "scriptures" to match your sexual meanderings.

                  shall we enumerate what scriptures have to say about sexual focus / purity?

                  especially sex with underage girls like you inclined

                  here it is just from this thread in it's entirety.  from page 9

                  "How’s the driver ED job going VD? You showing the girls all the right moves? Save a few for me so I can save them from your twisted mind".

                  later on when i have more time, i will expose the rest of your spiritual perversion from historical Christianity.

                  you should print up t-shirts for your cult....

                  "i am a card carrying member of schizophrenic christianity"

                              "i am .........."meant to"       

                  P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

                           until further notice,  it's  france everyday

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                    Hey why don’t you document my comments you say are mine about women? C’mon.

                    And what is with the cult stuff? There are several denominations as well as independents                                          that do not believe Jesus Christ is God.

                    I like women, in fact I like them so much if there ever was a thing called reincarnation, I would want to be a
                    lesbian next time around. But there is no such thing as reincarnation so that is a joke if you can hack it: A little dry humor.

                     

                    You are such a sucker and, you don’t know crap what the book says, you are like that Benny Hinn dude and if you keep at it and get a little help from the almost above, you could go places. You could do some lying signs and wonders all in the name of GOD and save a few bad girls from what the book really says.  Getting suckered into threads like this is really above you.

                     

                    Oh, and you still make prayer to God sound like sin. Well I got news for you and that is God cannot be tempted so if
                    that is the only way you know how to pray like you are playing Let’s Make A Deal with God, naturally you see the evil in it and conclude all prayer is tempting God. Therefore you imply that it is wrong. Man, are you hosed up.

                     

                    I tell you,... if that was the god I was introduced to, I would either be crazier than a s-house rat or get a new god,
                    hopefully one that was more fun and capable.

                    Now unto Him (God) that is able to do exceedingly
                    abundantly above all we ask or think,..according
                    (a condition) to the power that worketh
                    in us,...       Ephesians 3: 20

                     -----------------------------------------

                    Benny Hill does lying signs and wonders.
                    His act is old and you can read about the same BS going on in the Book of Acts. The
                    seven sons of Sceva were using a devil spirit names ‘Jesus’ to do some pretty
                    amazing things. All was going well as exorcists but an exorcist exercises a
                    devil spirit of lower rank than what they have. So along come the seven sons living large
                    and a spirit talks back to them, “Jesus I know but who are you?”. They got quite a whipp’n: Acts 19:14.

                     

                    I can understand the confusion this crap brings to the unknowing. Now some 'slayings' may have been staged but some of it is real and these people get knocked out. The seven sons did the same crap and it got quite a bit of notoriety. There is nothing Godly about what you hear and see Hinn do. The real focus is on him,
                    not God. The false god gets the glory because it is all a lie and it messes
                    with the true God’s credibility in the minds of people.

                    The reason the truth that Jesus Christ
                    is not God offends so many is it is a spiritual problem and holding the
                    traditional and popular belief that he
                    is, is as useless as any
                    religion under the sun for what you get. Religion is not godliness, it is what men do to men in the name of God. Like  saying prayer is sin or implying it is.

                     

                    If someone is going to pray to a god,
                    would you not want the best one out there? One who promises and delivers? One who
                    says, go ahead prove ME, prove My Word. Many do not know what the books says. Many so-called Christians have pathetic prayer lives and I can see why after so much failure they would attribute that
                    failure to the act (prayer)  being a sin to justify why they suck at prayer. “God is
                    busy, don’t bother Him , your puny little requests are below Him, now give me all your money”.

                    But knowing the logic and for what
                    god VD speaks,... yes, his pathetic god is offended by your prayers because he is
                    not in the business to answer them. You might piss him off. Speak louder, maybe he sleeps or is hard of hearing.

                     

                    Like I said before many have taken an alter call on John 3:16 and did not get the goods and that is because John 3:16 points to the scripture that few teach for salvation: Romans 10: 9, 10. Many will be left behind thinking they are born again, are Sons of God, are SAVED. Many will be offended and will curse
                    God. They will have to prove their conviction with their lives (bow or burn baby) after Christ
                    returns for the believers in the AIR. The second part of Christ’s presence or
                    parousia: Gr. is ON the earth later.

                    If a man or woman wants to go through the hell
                    and tribulation of the next spiritual dispensation, they have free will to do
                    so. They should make an informed decision I think. Why stock up on food and ammunition
                    for some kind of last stand? The only ones who get protected are the 144,000 Jews.
                    Everyone else dies. If it is the end of the world, survivability sounds
                    questionable. Why gamble on a long shot with your life? How about just making
                    the insurance bet in case I am right? Insurance anyone???

                     

                    The ticket is available now. Everyone
                    who has one wins a free ride. It will be better than any jackpot and far more
                    sustaining. What would you think about someone preventing you to win the deal of your life and eternity, and selling you a bum ticket for another drawing you did not know about? Would you buy-in on a scam? That is what Hinn sells and nearly every denomination. If you don’t have the right ticket, you
                    cannot win. Someone can do the odds on the 144k Vs the world population, but the
                    odds are long you are not one of the 144,000.

                     

                    I’ll tell you what though, there are
                    going to be some surprised Arabs someday who never really knew how close to the
                    old genetic tree their ancestors brought them. Some descendants are of the
                    tribes of Israel that were in captivity. You gotta love God’s humor. It is the best.
                    Who is really getting the screwing on the captivity, and who made lemonade out
                    of lemons? Did you ever wonder why there is a push to get everyone’s genetic
                    information? It is for the anticipated hunt like Nimrod did; Kill the bloodline.
                    God will protect them, all 144,000. Yet one man will claim the genetic purity,.... beware!

                     The man-made gathering of Jews in Israel doesn’t account for what is hid in God. There
                    are going to be some surprised ‘Jews’ too.

                    Ha-ha.

                    If you believe Jesus Christ is God, you will be surprised someday too. Even the followers of the Koran know
                    Jesus Christ was not or is God and that is in their favor. Ah, lemon zest!

                    Tripple HA!

                    I know a so-called religious plick Christian that thinks Jesus would kill all the Arabs. Which Jesus?

                    What is that saying about God sorting them out? He already has in His foreknowledge -they just don't know it yet.

                    DD

                    Altruism is for mental masturbators
                    who do not need God, they have themselves to worship for their Works. But boy, they are as sincere as a heart attack like a used car salesman. The seven sons of Sceva were sons of a Jew, a chief priest
                    of Israel,one sincere dude. Just imagine Benny Hinn. Sincerity is no guarantee for truth. If Hinn makes you puke, it is okay.

                    I'm not very smart and no offense but while reading your post I couldn't help but wonder if Hale-Bopp was about to make another pass for stragglers.


                                                                 
                                         
                                                             

                     

                     

                     

                     

                                                                                                                       

                    "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"

                                                                                                                --Edmund Burke

                     

                     

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                      "Here they are again for your viewing pleasure, my little nazi": Ridge you did not tell me you were a nazi......ROFLROFLROFL LOL....

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                        The first thing that comes to my mind after reading the title of the topic is the film Bruce Almighty with Jim Carrey. In this film he has the power of God, and he simply hits Yes for all the pending wishes. Well it causes that everybody hits the jackpot on lottery and the winners only get 5 dollars for hitting the jackpot.

                        And I think it is true. And I think it is the proof. Prayer does not work in case of lottery. If it did, we all would be 5 dollar winners LOL

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                          Hey why don’t you document my comments you say are mine about women? C’mon.

                          And what is with the cult stuff? There are several denominations as well as independents                                          that do not believe Jesus Christ is God.

                          I like women, in fact I like them so much if there ever was a thing called reincarnation, I would want to be a
                          lesbian next time around. But there is no such thing as reincarnation so that is a joke if you can hack it: A little dry humor.

                           

                          You are such a sucker and, you don’t know crap what the book says, you are like that Benny Hinn dude and if you keep at it and get a little help from the almost above, you could go places. You could do some lying signs and wonders all in the name of GOD and save a few bad girls from what the book really says.  Getting suckered into threads like this is really above you.

                           

                          Oh, and you still make prayer to God sound like sin. Well I got news for you and that is God cannot be tempted so if
                          that is the only way you know how to pray like you are playing Let’s Make A Deal with God, naturally you see the evil in it and conclude all prayer is tempting God. Therefore you imply that it is wrong. Man, are you hosed up.

                           

                          I tell you,... if that was the god I was introduced to, I would either be crazier than a s-house rat or get a new god,
                          hopefully one that was more fun and capable.

                          Now unto Him (God) that is able to do exceedingly
                          abundantly above all we ask or think,..according
                          (a condition) to the power that worketh
                          in us,...       Ephesians 3: 20

                           -----------------------------------------

                          Benny Hill does lying signs and wonders.
                          His act is old and you can read about the same BS going on in the Book of Acts. The
                          seven sons of Sceva were using a devil spirit names ‘Jesus’ to do some pretty
                          amazing things. All was going well as exorcists but an exorcist exercises a
                          devil spirit of lower rank than what they have. So along come the seven sons living large
                          and a spirit talks back to them, “Jesus I know but who are you?”. They got quite a whipp’n: Acts 19:14.

                           

                          I can understand the confusion this crap brings to the unknowing. Now some 'slayings' may have been staged but some of it is real and these people get knocked out. The seven sons did the same crap and it got quite a bit of notoriety. There is nothing Godly about what you hear and see Hinn do. The real focus is on him,
                          not God. The false god gets the glory because it is all a lie and it messes
                          with the true God’s credibility in the minds of people.

                          The reason the truth that Jesus Christ
                          is not God offends so many is it is a spiritual problem and holding the
                          traditional and popular belief that he
                          is, is as useless as any
                          religion under the sun for what you get. Religion is not godliness, it is what men do to men in the name of God. Like  saying prayer is sin or implying it is.

                           

                          If someone is going to pray to a god,
                          would you not want the best one out there? One who promises and delivers? One who
                          says, go ahead prove ME, prove My Word. Many do not know what the books says. Many so-called Christians have pathetic prayer lives and I can see why after so much failure they would attribute that
                          failure to the act (prayer)  being a sin to justify why they suck at prayer. “God is
                          busy, don’t bother Him , your puny little requests are below Him, now give me all your money”.

                          But knowing the logic and for what
                          god VD speaks,... yes, his pathetic god is offended by your prayers because he is
                          not in the business to answer them. You might piss him off. Speak louder, maybe he sleeps or is hard of hearing.

                           

                          Like I said before many have taken an alter call on John 3:16 and did not get the goods and that is because John 3:16 points to the scripture that few teach for salvation: Romans 10: 9, 10. Many will be left behind thinking they are born again, are Sons of God, are SAVED. Many will be offended and will curse
                          God. They will have to prove their conviction with their lives (bow or burn baby) after Christ
                          returns for the believers in the AIR. The second part of Christ’s presence or
                          parousia: Gr. is ON the earth later.

                          If a man or woman wants to go through the hell
                          and tribulation of the next spiritual dispensation, they have free will to do
                          so. They should make an informed decision I think. Why stock up on food and ammunition
                          for some kind of last stand? The only ones who get protected are the 144,000 Jews.
                          Everyone else dies. If it is the end of the world, survivability sounds
                          questionable. Why gamble on a long shot with your life? How about just making
                          the insurance bet in case I am right? Insurance anyone???

                           

                          The ticket is available now. Everyone
                          who has one wins a free ride. It will be better than any jackpot and far more
                          sustaining. What would you think about someone preventing you to win the deal of your life and eternity, and selling you a bum ticket for another drawing you did not know about? Would you buy-in on a scam? That is what Hinn sells and nearly every denomination. If you don’t have the right ticket, you
                          cannot win. Someone can do the odds on the 144k Vs the world population, but the
                          odds are long you are not one of the 144,000.

                           

                          I’ll tell you what though, there are
                          going to be some surprised Arabs someday who never really knew how close to the
                          old genetic tree their ancestors brought them. Some descendants are of the
                          tribes of Israel that were in captivity. You gotta love God’s humor. It is the best.
                          Who is really getting the screwing on the captivity, and who made lemonade out
                          of lemons? Did you ever wonder why there is a push to get everyone’s genetic
                          information? It is for the anticipated hunt like Nimrod did; Kill the bloodline.
                          God will protect them, all 144,000. Yet one man will claim the genetic purity,.... beware!

                           The man-made gathering of Jews in Israel doesn’t account for what is hid in God. There
                          are going to be some surprised ‘Jews’ too.

                          Ha-ha.

                          If you believe Jesus Christ is God, you will be surprised someday too. Even the followers of the Koran know
                          Jesus Christ was not or is God and that is in their favor. Ah, lemon zest!

                          Tripple HA!

                          I know a so-called religious plick Christian that thinks Jesus would kill all the Arabs. Which Jesus?

                          What is that saying about God sorting them out? He already has in His foreknowledge -they just don't know it yet.

                          DD

                          Altruism is for mental masturbators
                          who do not need God, they have themselves to worship for their Works. But boy, they are as sincere as a heart attack like a used car salesman. The seven sons of Sceva were sons of a Jew, a chief priest
                          of Israel,one sincere dude. Just imagine Benny Hinn. Sincerity is no guarantee for truth. If Hinn makes you puke, it is okay.

                          "And what is with the cult stuff? There are several denominations as well as independents                                          that do not believe Jesus Christ is God".

                           exactly.  that's exactly what defines a "christian cult".... anyone who knowingly departs from the essentials of the doctrines of Christianity is a cult.   the first and foremost litMUST test as to whether or not they are,  is if they willifully detour from Jesus Christ being God in the flesh.

                          that is the most "essential",  of ALL the essentials of historical Christianity.

                          when a person cannot say that (that Jesus Christ is God),  scripture tells us to run in the other direction,  nothing that comes from that is "truth",  and  they are nothing more than wolf's in sheeps clothing.

                          you keep thinking i am going to be PC about this,  and yet you know i don't throw my hat into any "favorite people" awards contests

                          maybe you can tell the board what year your cult decided that God "changed His mind" on who Christ claimed to be?    that fact alone ought to underline how long that "truth" has been around .......in comparison to historical never changing / evolving edicts.

                          ..........................................................................................................................................

                          and no, God is not someone you can strong arm to make Him do what YOU want Him to do,  just so He "HAS" to give you all your cult tells you that you "deserve".

                          prayer (and using the lottery as an example) is just like i said,  it's WORSHIP, and just like i said,  it isn't so much a frame of mind as asking for something to get what YOU want,  it's getting on the same page that God is already on,  to see what He already has in store via His will ....future tense. 

                          you imply that we cannot "ask" in that equation,  and the answer to that is whole heartily YES WE CAN. 

                          it's just that your cult teaches you have to manipulate God (or attempt to)......so you can "have it all".    unfortunately your cult doesn't teach the fullness of Gods character that includes the "no" in that equation.

                          cherry pick scriptures all you want from your cults hit parade of wishful thinking,  but you have ALOT of explaining to do that if that's the way it's 'supposed' to go down,  that you can't even pay your bills off of your pick 3, 4, 5 and 6 pursuits off the back of your "God owes me everything" angle.   remember when i reminded you how you let too much TMI out in these blogs about your own personal life,  and admitted your not going to be on cribs anytime soon?

                          why is that?    because your cults teaching about prayer isn't working out so hot?

                          how long before it kicks in?    you must be not praying quite enough,  or your not being bold enough and DEMANDING God do it NOW.

                          get out the amplified megaphone (but don't let him hear you making perv comments)

                          you preach it likes it's fact,   yet you are empty handed when it comes to the meat-and-potatoes "proof" of your demand that it's so

                          if you are such the example of how to pray "successfully",  especially on the subject matter of the lottery,  at some point your claims have to match your accomplishments,  and the truth is you haven't even "prayed" your way out of being mr thin wallet yourself.

                          i actually don't mind confident people who can lay out a successful / bankable plan that's true.   but i also know the value that if someone screams"it works",  makes it sound easy in it's methodology thereof,  and STILL can't mirror a jot or a tittle of it,  is full of it.

                          and,  the icing on your anti-freeze laced cake is yet another proof of you being a perv with your sexual imagery "ism" at the end of your post.   good job,  DD   consistency of character.

                          actually,  the older i get,  the more i understand about the nature / character of God,  the less i feel the need to ask him for stuff or to "fix" my life.

                          prayer is worship, and as such it involves trust based on an excellant track record within a relationship.  God said He will supply "all my needs".   suddenly i have to remind Him He is distracted from that part of the committment He made to me? 

                          nope,  i DON'T need to remind Him of that.  i am the one if anything within that realtionship that is emotionally "forgetful" that He made that comittment to me,  so it's MY responsibility to adjust to whatever He decides He wants to do concerning my "needs"

                          either a no OR a yes.   i purposefully put "no" first,  because most people only want to hear a yes,  and i am demonstrating that i trust God so,  a "no" i just as viable within His decison making over my life.

                          i don't have to "remind Him",  nor i most certainly don't have to beg Him.

                          if i beg or negotiate (which is about what most people attribute prayer to),  then MY perspective is way off.

                          the longer i live,  the more i admire Gods ability to take care of me, the less i "pray" about anything.  it's not that i don't have intense freedom within the realtionship to ask, i do,  but it's more of me already knowing God has my back on all fronts,  so i don't need to.

                          i used to ask ask ask like anyone else that doesn't know better,  until i switched gears from my insecurity of "will He",   to "of course He will.....but on His terms,  and not how i think He always should".

                          made me "pray less",  and "trust more"

                          me me me me me me me is NOT what prayer is about,  or for.

                          prayer is to acknowledge that God is in control,  and i am going to place myself under that blanket

                          do you have a gaggle of candles and incense around your personal ATM machine at your house,  the one that you pasted a picture of the "god" with dollar signs for eyes,   the machine that's empty?

                          that's your cults "version" of prayer

                                      "i am .........."meant to"       

                          P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

                                   until further notice,  it's  france everyday

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                            "Here they are again for your viewing pleasure, my little nazi": Ridge you did not tell me you were a nazi......ROFLROFLROFL LOL....

                            Lol, I just used that to illustrate the censorship, dallas. I just wanted him to know who he's emulating when he starts down that road of "verboten" words and censorship.

                            I don't want to debate faith, God or religion here with anyone but I don't think someone saying God bless America or I prayed for this or that hurts anybody.

                            And I'd be very surprised if most people here didn't agree with that.

                            But some people are going to be offended no matter what, simply because it's their nature and they actually enjoy being contrary.

                            Some people just can't live and let live.


                                                                         
                                                 
                                                                     

                             

                             

                             

                             

                                                                                                                               

                            "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"

                                                                                                                        --Edmund Burke

                             

                             

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                              "I am curious to what the average person thinks."

                              Then this rules me out because I'm above average. Me and my shiny car and my expensive piece of paper from the ivory towers of academia. (sarcasm)

                              <to lighten things up>

                              I got OwlCreekBridge's sarcasm right away, and at a quick glance I thought the above said "Me and my shiny cat....."

                              Green laughGreen laughGreen laugh

                              Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                              Lep

                              There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

                                 
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