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Can prayer affect the outcome of a lottery

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Praying for a lottery win will:

Improve the chances of winning [ 34 ]  [45.95%]
Worsen the chances of winning [ 0 ]  [0.00%]
Have no influence on the chances of winning [ 40 ]  [54.05%]
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rdgrnr's avatar - walt
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Scripture tells you that all things shall pass. This, too, shall pass.

Oops...

Actually, that's not in the Bible

See truesee's blog.

Truesee's Daily Wonder:
http://blogs.lotterypost.com/truesee/2011/6/actually-thats-not-in-the-bible.htm

Nothing against the State of Tennessee but this is a gem!

Rabbi Rami Shapiro, who once had to persuade a student in his Bible class at Middle Tennessee State University that the saying “this dog won’t hunt” doesn’t appear in the Book of Proverbs.

That was funny when I read it in Truesee's Blog this morning. Somehow though, when it's repeated by some twit who never has an original thought of his own because he feels some twisted variant of validation or support from it, it loses something. When paired with the apparent giddiness Hyperwith which it was presented, it exhibits signs of desperation on the cusp of being creepy.  Bandit

 

That being said, I must admit the first time I ever heard the saying was when corrupt Democrat, President Clinton used it to tell prosecutors that their case against him would go nowhere. I still remember Slick Willy looking straight into the camera and shaking his liberal finger at the American people and giving his word of honor that: "I did not have sexual relations with that woman!". He later threw in the dog won't hunt saying, but naturally, he was lying about everything as all liberals are inclined to do. Needless to say, the prosecution disproved his whole pack of lies 

I think Johnny Cochran might have put it this way: If there's a mess on the dress, you must confess."

So the corrupt Slick Willy Clinton was impeached. But he takes comfort in the fact that at least Hillary's out of the house so he can still entertain. 

 

That being said, I must admit that I was the student in that class here in Tennessee and argued frequently with the Rabbi about what else was in there. I swore "An apple a day keeps the doctor away" was in there and also "I before E except after C or when sounded like A as in neighbor or weigh" and many more. I put that poor Rabbi through hell and I apologize.

 

On a lighter note, I often wonder if true critic will ever grow a pair and answer the two simple questions I asked previously or just continue to hide with the women and children. Mocking the people of Tennessee while afraid or embarrassed of revealing his own state seems typical for him though, real gutsy. He would of course blame it on Truesee just like he blamed addai for everything else he said. He's never responsible for anything he says. He refuses to believe that when he takes somebody else's words that were said in a spirit of humor and uses them for hate-fueled spite that they become solely his words. If he was a man he would stand behind what he says. But he's not and he doesn't.  He just ain't got the cojones.

 

Oh, and this...

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"The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"

                                                                                            --Edmund Burke

 

 

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    Maybe a prayer to win a jackpot could worsen one's chances.

    Something like this:

    Lottery Player:

    "Please Lord, oh please, the jackpot is pumped up and if I won I could get two Corvetteand a mansion and go to Vegas.....etc..."

    The Lord:

    "Talk about only calling when you want something or need something! I haven't heard from you in decades, and now that "the jackpot is pumped up.....

    NO SOUP FOR YOU!"

    Scared

    Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

    Lep

    There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.


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      rdgrnr, these are your words and they accurately describe yourself.

      "He's never responsible for anything he says. If he was a man he would stand behind what he says. But he's not and he doesn't.  He just ain't got the cojones."

      When you were asked to supply evidence to support an accusation you made against me, you refused.

      When you were asked to apologize, you refused.

      Time to grow up "little man".

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        atlanta
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        Your response is confusing. On the one hand you write "nobody knows for sure" and then you follow that up with a contradictory "All I know is that prayer changes things". 

        So the question is, does prayer change things for the better or for the worse?

        Thats stupid! why would you pray for the worse????????? I said nobody knows for sure and All I know is that prayer changes things, also I said  its a personal belief. My belief is that prayer changes things...


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          Thats stupid! why would you pray for the worse????????? I said nobody knows for sure and All I know is that prayer changes things, also I said  its a personal belief. My belief is that prayer changes things...

          All beliefs are personal. That's what makes them beliefs.

          One does not pray for the worse but some believe that praying for something may cause the opposite reaction.


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            DD,  Jesus Christ was crucified solely because of the "crime" of claiming Himself to be God

            later on,  i will come back and handle that,  and the prayer issue some more,  just to counteract your cults teaching.

            you lost your ability to "teach" when you kept up the uncontrolled perv behavior,  you ditched historical Christianity in favor of your hysterical christianity,  and the FACT that even you can't mirror your supposed cults "teaching" about wealth....

            .....cuz your wallet is thin

            you should go play in some sandbox with lesser men. 

            in here,  your just getting sand kicked over your "playtoys" left and right

            You are a man because you mishandle scripture? Keep your historical history and the tradition.

            2Timothy 2:15

            Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

             

            Yep I am in the “get a New God cult” saving people from the likes of you where and when they have the wherewithal to take the challenge in their mind that pagan tradition is a poor substitute for what is written. Show me where Jesus Christ denied being the Son of God. But look how he handles being worshiped:

            1. Matthew     19:17

                   And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there
                   is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into
                   life, keep the commandments.

                   Matthew     19:16-18 (in Context) Matthew     19 (Whole Chapter)
            2. Mark     10:18

                   And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good?
                   there is none good but one, that is, God.

                   Mark     10:17-19 (in Context) Mark     10 (Whole Chapter)
            3. Luke     18:19

                   And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good?
                   none is good, save one, that is, God.

                   Luke     18:18-20 (in Context) Luke     18 (Whole Chapter)

             

            Did you know that the antichrist will eventually say that he is God and demand worship? Yes, and he will claim among many things that he is the Messiah. The world is being set up to buy into that lie and like it or not it is an old lie. Don’t you remember the part about the false witnesses? Paid liars ? Your whole position that Jesus Christ is God is based on lies.

             

             

             

            Matthew
            16:19-21

            King James Version (KJV)

            19And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven:
            and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and
            whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. (who is doing
            the giving to who? If J.C. was or is God, then God sinned by teaching prayer
            that you say is wrong.

            “shall be loosed in heaven” ??? You mean God had a governor on Himself? Show me where Christ said He was the Father, I just showed a verse above where Christ said only God is good. Jesus Christ was a Man and is a Man who prayed to God).

            20Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.

            21From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples,
            how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and
            chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.
            (somebody killed God? Are you kidding? Who was taking care of business while he
            was dead? If Lucifer defeated God then he won. He has, in your mind and
            everywhere you can be reminded about a dead and emaciated god hanging on a
            tree.)

             

            Acts4:10

            Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus
            Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead,
            even by him doth this man stand
            here before you whole. ( any reason the twelve redemptive names of God {I am
            twelve things to you Israel} Excludes the name of a man that is above all names
            of men, Jesus Christ?

             

            Romans5:15

            But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of
            one (Adam) many be dead, much
            more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

             

            Romans 5:17

            For if by one man's (Adam) offence
            death reigned by one (Lucifer); much more they which receive abundance of grace
            and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one,JesusChrist.

            1 Corinthians 15:22

            For as inAdam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

             

            1 Corinthians 15:45

            And so it is written, The first man Adam
            was made a living soul; the last Adam ( a Man) was made a quickening
            spirit. (Hmm, Jesus Christ was a made man, Begotten=monogenis; Gr.)

             

            How come the first
            Adam is not God? Why can’t I have more than one God? Any rules on that?

            1 Timothy 2:5

            For there is one God, and one
            mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
            (He is THE man.)

             

            1 Timothy 6:2-4

            King James Version (KJV)

            2And they that have believing masters, let them
            not despise them, because they are brethren; but rather do them service,
            because they are faithful and beloved, partakers of the benefit. These things
            teach and exhort.

            3If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to
            wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine
            which is according to godliness;

            4He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about
            questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil
            surmisings,

            2 John 1:7

            For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not
            that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver
            and an antichrist. (It does not say God came in the flesh, get that?)

             

            Whoa! Anantichrist! Pretty harsh words if you are waiting for the first coming. Equally as hash if you get your God wrong now.

            Jesus Christ is not God and Prayer to God in the name of Jesus Christ is okay. Christ is the mediator between God and man.

            Galatians 3:18-20

            King James Version (KJV)

            18For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no
            more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

            19Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added
            because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was
            made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

            20Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.

            1 Timothy 2:5

            For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

             

            John 20:31

            But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

             

            Genesis 16:13

            And she (Eve) called the name of the LORD that spake unto her,
            Thou God seest me: for she said, Have I also here looked after him that
            seeth me?                                                                                                ( If Adam was the first God, who was Eve talking to?)

             

            Genesis 21:33

            And Abraham planted a grove in Beersheba, and called there on the name of
            the LORD, the everlasting God. (Jesus Christ was not everlasting. He died.)

             

            Exodus 34:13-15

            King James Version (KJV)

            13But ye shall destroy their altars, break their
            images, and cut down their groves:

            14For thou shalt worship no other god: for the
            LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:

            15Lest thou make a covenant with the inhabitants of
            the land, and they go a whoring after their gods, and do sacrifice unto their
            gods, and one call thee, and thou eat of his sacrifice;

            Deuteronomy 18:20

            But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I
            have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of
            other gods, even that prophet shall die.

             ( the one God not three seems to be quite consistent throughout the book. There is more to support the One God than there are the trinity forgeries of a three-headed god. The counterfeit has three false redemptive qualities: He is God And he is a man And he is some third quality few can make sense of; he is Holy Ghost. There are your three gods, not one. Sounds good but the book does not support it except where forgeries were introduced, many after the council of Nicaea :325 AD. Jesus was already considered a deity -a god by that time. The council just wanted to iron out some big problems like when they were going to celebrate the pagan holiday for Eastra, a fertility god. They were being PC to not piss off the pagans and Christian pagans who had conflicting dates to party. Resurrection Sunday became Easter. That is your church history and tradition, Rooted in Paganism vote getters. Good old church and state.

            If pagan deities are your cup of tea that is your problem.

            Jesus Christ is not God. God wants people to be prosperous which is another sin you attribute to God because you think that is wrong. You want to know how rich I am? Want to know what the book says? Want to know what God sez freak? How wealthy is God?  Well here is a figure of speech that paints a picture:

            Psalm
            50:10


            For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand
            hills. My riches are unsearchable;

            Ephesians
            3:8


            Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I
            should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of
            Christ;

            Romans
            8:17


            And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs
            with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified
            together.       ( I am a joint heir with unsearchable riches and my Daddy has cattle on a thousand hills to give you a big picture to try to comprehend. If prosperity is a sin to you, then get a new god. Get one with a better estate. Look here, you can be an heir, you can be a joint heir but you cannot inherit what is already yours in your estate.)

             

            Even the most disgusting Shylock will tell you
            that by law,…

            Jesus Christ is not God. The promise of the Redeemer and Messiah was not a promised visit from
            God Himself. You are nutz in a crazy kind of way,…O worthless spiritually blind and traditional One.

            DD

            Matthew
            15:14


            Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind
            lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.

            John 12:39-41

            King James Version (KJV)

            39Therefore they could not believe, because that
            Esaias said again,

            40He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their
            heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their
            heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.

            41These things said Esaias, when he saw his glory, and spake of him ( Christ).

            2
            Corinthians 4:4


            In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which
            believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image
            of God, should shine unto them. (Adam was also in the image of God which was
            the spirit upon him just like the second Adam. The gospel of Christ is the Word of God.)

            (Image of God?)John 4:24

            God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

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              All beliefs are personal. That's what makes them beliefs.

              One does not pray for the worse but some believe that praying for something may cause the opposite reaction.

              there you go again ....I said my belief is that prayer changes things...... like I said its a personal belief whatever your belief is, let it be!!!!! If you believe you can pray for something and the prayer gets answered opposite way, thats what you believe....I dont give a <snip> what others believe in. I only care of what I believe in...

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                rdgrnr, these are your words and they accurately describe yourself.

                "He's never responsible for anything he says. If he was a man he would stand behind what he says. But he's not and he doesn't.  He just ain't got the cojones."

                When you were asked to supply evidence to support an accusation you made against me, you refused.

                When you were asked to apologize, you refused.

                Time to grow up "little man".

                Asked to supply evidence? Asked to apologize? Who asked me,YOU?  LOLGreen laughLOL 

                Looky here junior, when are you gonna realize that nobody here or anywhere cares what you say?

                You're just an annoying, mindless little twit like true critic who doesn't contribute a dime around here but wants to call the shots.

                Blow it out your azz.

                Why don't you and truecritic go on a playdate and the two of you could drool over his Democrat Congressman Anthony (Stubby) Weiner picture album.

                Now beat it.


                                                             
                                     
                                                         

                 

                 

                 

                 

                                                                                                                   

                "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"

                                                                                                            --Edmund Burke

                 

                 

                  rdgrnr's avatar - walt
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                  All beliefs are personal. That's what makes them beliefs.

                  One does not pray for the worse but some believe that praying for something may cause the opposite reaction.

                  God help us. Have you ever listened to yourself, little guy?

                  I don't think you fully grasp how incredibly annoying you are.

                  No wonder they bought you a trampoline to keep you occupied all day.


                                                               
                                       
                                                           

                   

                   

                   

                   

                                                                                                                     

                  "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"

                                                                                                              --Edmund Burke

                   

                   

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                    You are a man because you mishandle scripture? Keep your historical history and the tradition.

                    2Timothy 2:15

                    Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

                     

                    Yep I am in the “get a New God cult” saving people from the likes of you where and when they have the wherewithal to take the challenge in their mind that pagan tradition is a poor substitute for what is written. Show me where Jesus Christ denied being the Son of God. But look how he handles being worshiped:

                    1. Matthew     19:17

                           And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there
                           is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into
                           life, keep the commandments.

                           Matthew     19:16-18 (in Context) Matthew     19 (Whole Chapter)
                    2. Mark     10:18

                           And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good?
                           there is none good but one, that is, God.

                           Mark     10:17-19 (in Context) Mark     10 (Whole Chapter)
                    3. Luke     18:19

                           And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good?
                           none is good, save one, that is, God.

                           Luke     18:18-20 (in Context) Luke     18 (Whole Chapter)

                     

                    Did you know that the antichrist will eventually say that he is God and demand worship? Yes, and he will claim among many things that he is the Messiah. The world is being set up to buy into that lie and like it or not it is an old lie. Don’t you remember the part about the false witnesses? Paid liars ? Your whole position that Jesus Christ is God is based on lies.

                     

                     

                     

                    Matthew
                    16:19-21

                    King James Version (KJV)

                    19And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven:
                    and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and
                    whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. (who is doing
                    the giving to who? If J.C. was or is God, then God sinned by teaching prayer
                    that you say is wrong.

                    “shall be loosed in heaven” ??? You mean God had a governor on Himself? Show me where Christ said He was the Father, I just showed a verse above where Christ said only God is good. Jesus Christ was a Man and is a Man who prayed to God).

                    20Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.

                    21From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples,
                    how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and
                    chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.
                    (somebody killed God? Are you kidding? Who was taking care of business while he
                    was dead? If Lucifer defeated God then he won. He has, in your mind and
                    everywhere you can be reminded about a dead and emaciated god hanging on a
                    tree.)

                     

                    Acts4:10

                    Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus
                    Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead,
                    even by him doth this man stand
                    here before you whole. ( any reason the twelve redemptive names of God {I am
                    twelve things to you Israel} Excludes the name of a man that is above all names
                    of men, Jesus Christ?

                     

                    Romans5:15

                    But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of
                    one (Adam) many be dead, much
                    more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

                     

                    Romans 5:17

                    For if by one man's (Adam) offence
                    death reigned by one (Lucifer); much more they which receive abundance of grace
                    and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one,JesusChrist.

                    1 Corinthians 15:22

                    For as inAdam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

                     

                    1 Corinthians 15:45

                    And so it is written, The first man Adam
                    was made a living soul; the last Adam ( a Man) was made a quickening
                    spirit. (Hmm, Jesus Christ was a made man, Begotten=monogenis; Gr.)

                     

                    How come the first
                    Adam is not God? Why can’t I have more than one God? Any rules on that?

                    1 Timothy 2:5

                    For there is one God, and one
                    mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
                    (He is THE man.)

                     

                    1 Timothy 6:2-4

                    King James Version (KJV)

                    2And they that have believing masters, let them
                    not despise them, because they are brethren; but rather do them service,
                    because they are faithful and beloved, partakers of the benefit. These things
                    teach and exhort.

                    3If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to
                    wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine
                    which is according to godliness;

                    4He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about
                    questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil
                    surmisings,

                    2 John 1:7

                    For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not
                    that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver
                    and an antichrist. (It does not say God came in the flesh, get that?)

                     

                    Whoa! Anantichrist! Pretty harsh words if you are waiting for the first coming. Equally as hash if you get your God wrong now.

                    Jesus Christ is not God and Prayer to God in the name of Jesus Christ is okay. Christ is the mediator between God and man.

                    Galatians 3:18-20

                    King James Version (KJV)

                    18For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no
                    more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

                    19Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added
                    because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was
                    made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

                    20Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.

                    1 Timothy 2:5

                    For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

                     

                    John 20:31

                    But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

                     

                    Genesis 16:13

                    And she (Eve) called the name of the LORD that spake unto her,
                    Thou God seest me: for she said, Have I also here looked after him that
                    seeth me?                                                                                                ( If Adam was the first God, who was Eve talking to?)

                     

                    Genesis 21:33

                    And Abraham planted a grove in Beersheba, and called there on the name of
                    the LORD, the everlasting God. (Jesus Christ was not everlasting. He died.)

                     

                    Exodus 34:13-15

                    King James Version (KJV)

                    13But ye shall destroy their altars, break their
                    images, and cut down their groves:

                    14For thou shalt worship no other god: for the
                    LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:

                    15Lest thou make a covenant with the inhabitants of
                    the land, and they go a whoring after their gods, and do sacrifice unto their
                    gods, and one call thee, and thou eat of his sacrifice;

                    Deuteronomy 18:20

                    But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I
                    have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of
                    other gods, even that prophet shall die.

                     ( the one God not three seems to be quite consistent throughout the book. There is more to support the One God than there are the trinity forgeries of a three-headed god. The counterfeit has three false redemptive qualities: He is God And he is a man And he is some third quality few can make sense of; he is Holy Ghost. There are your three gods, not one. Sounds good but the book does not support it except where forgeries were introduced, many after the council of Nicaea :325 AD. Jesus was already considered a deity -a god by that time. The council just wanted to iron out some big problems like when they were going to celebrate the pagan holiday for Eastra, a fertility god. They were being PC to not piss off the pagans and Christian pagans who had conflicting dates to party. Resurrection Sunday became Easter. That is your church history and tradition, Rooted in Paganism vote getters. Good old church and state.

                    If pagan deities are your cup of tea that is your problem.

                    Jesus Christ is not God. God wants people to be prosperous which is another sin you attribute to God because you think that is wrong. You want to know how rich I am? Want to know what the book says? Want to know what God sez freak? How wealthy is God?  Well here is a figure of speech that paints a picture:

                    Psalm
                    50:10


                    For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand
                    hills. My riches are unsearchable;

                    Ephesians
                    3:8


                    Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I
                    should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of
                    Christ;

                    Romans
                    8:17


                    And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs
                    with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified
                    together.       ( I am a joint heir with unsearchable riches and my Daddy has cattle on a thousand hills to give you a big picture to try to comprehend. If prosperity is a sin to you, then get a new god. Get one with a better estate. Look here, you can be an heir, you can be a joint heir but you cannot inherit what is already yours in your estate.)

                     

                    Even the most disgusting Shylock will tell you
                    that by law,…

                    Jesus Christ is not God. The promise of the Redeemer and Messiah was not a promised visit from
                    God Himself. You are nutz in a crazy kind of way,…O worthless spiritually blind and traditional One.

                    DD

                    Matthew
                    15:14


                    Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind
                    lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.

                    John 12:39-41

                    King James Version (KJV)

                    39Therefore they could not believe, because that
                    Esaias said again,

                    40He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their
                    heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their
                    heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.

                    41These things said Esaias, when he saw his glory, and spake of him ( Christ).

                    2
                    Corinthians 4:4


                    In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which
                    believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image
                    of God, should shine unto them. (Adam was also in the image of God which was
                    the spirit upon him just like the second Adam. The gospel of Christ is the Word of God.)

                    (Image of God?)John 4:24

                    God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

                    gee wiz DD,  you are going to bomb all of LP with the bylaws from the brnach davidians?

                    so you can copy and paste your cults ad lib of the scriptures to "show" Jesus Christ "wasn't" God.

                    big whoop.....all cults have their scriptures put thru their personal washing machine.

                    sad though,  as most people don't have the tools to wade thru cult waters to get to historical Christianity.

                    I DO, and the bad news is later tonight i will run your wishful thinking back thru the washing machine of consistently replicated history,  instead of the 1800's when your CULT decided to change things to suit their mind control agenda.

                    in the meantime,  you can PM joker.

                    he copy and pasted ALL the "religions" of the world,  but "forgot" to add his.

                    seems his "undeniable proof" (aliens) didn't make it to the "one true belief" page.

                     

                    and of your cult drift.......what a doop that jesus is (the "jesus" according to your cult)

                    that "jesus" died for the sins of the whole world,  and willfully withstood torture believing that he was the savior.

                    who steps in front of a bus to take the hit from a guy who molests children?

                    NO ONE dies for "everyone"

                    the lamb that was slain for the sins of the world was GOD.    it wasn't some insane man with a savior complex.

                    after the 2nd stripe during His lashing,  he would have given up that notion right then.

                    there was no meth to fuel his insanity back then.

                    since you AND joker are into cultic meanderings,  do the humanitarian thing and help him collect the $1000.

                    the "video" of that check has more anticipation attached to it than a photo of a JP ticket.

                    i told you to park your ego,  so i wouldn't have to take it to the cleaners.

                    but,  like joker,  you cannot help yourself

                                "i am .........."meant to"       

                    P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

                             until further notice,  it's  france everyday

                      rdgrnr's avatar - walt
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                      there you go again ....I said my belief is that prayer changes things...... like I said its a personal belief whatever your belief is, let it be!!!!! If you believe you can pray for something and the prayer gets answered opposite way, thats what you believe....I dont give a <snip> what others believe in. I only care of what I believe in...

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                      You may as well talk to a brick wall as talk to mario or true critic, iwillhit.

                      They're atheists and liberals.

                      That means they want everybody forced to believe what they believe.

                      It's a genetic defect, nothing you can do about it except pity them.

                      They're also both cheapskate, tightwad, freeloading, miserly skinflints looking for everybody else to pay their way.

                       

                      Good luck to you, iwillhit! LepYes NodThumbs Up


                                                                   
                                           
                                                               

                       

                       

                       

                       

                                                                                                                         

                      "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"

                                                                                                                  --Edmund Burke

                       

                       

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                        In light of the recent discussions about the affect of prayer on the outcome of a lottery draw, I am curious to what the average person thinks. I am more interested in the vote outcome rather than the rationale behind the vote. But if there is a discussion, please try to keep it civil.

                        Thanks

                        (For anyone who is interested...)

                        You want to know the power of an answered prayer? 

                        Ask God to give you eyes that see and ears that hear Him to know Him more in that you will be able to get understanding and wisdom into who He is....

                        (Especially when it comes to the Holy Trinity: One God; Three manifestations Father, Son, Holy Spirit)

                        Some Bibles to consider:

                        The Apologetics Study Bible

                        The Spirit Filled Life Bible

                        And if you don't want to invest in either of these books, just read the Book Of John (New Testament) but say a quick prayer before you read: "God show me, help me to understand, I want to know you"

                        It will be so awesome to enter into a personal intimate relationship with Jesus Christ and let Him show you who He really is...and how much He loves you ....through the good and the bad....His love is unconditional and He wants to teach us that same unconditional love.

                        Blessing to you all and have a great day!

                        "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.  He was with God in the beginning All things were created through Him and apart from Him not one thing was created." (John 1:1-3)

                        "I and the Father are one" - Jesus Christ (John 10:30)

                        "Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father" - Jesus Christ (John 14:9)


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                          still talking tash, eh joker ?

                          what makes you think in the ethical game of life that you have the right to do that,  when you continually refuse to back up claims you made yourself ?

                          you could be looked up to as a man of reason,  except for the fact that you keep blatantly act one sided,  never offering up objective arguements instead of just being a trouble causing jerk.

                          "Choose wisely, cause if you don't, you could end up in a bad part of town somewhere up there in the Ether"....

                            there isn't anything "objective" for the sake of universal truth in that statement.

                          your just a troll looking to cause strife within peoples beliefs systems.

                          your posts are aimed at doing harm,  not "enlightening" people.

                          you know how i know your motive?    because you LIED about sending that dude your video's,  AFTER claiming they contained "undeniable proof".

                          and of course --------->  STILL NO $1000 CHECK

                          I must applogize Visiondud, I keep forgetting that you have a monopoly on which religion is the CORRECT one.

                          You have a lock on Truth !

                          My bad.

                          Crazy....Looney Tunes I say....Looney Tunes...

                          You need help my friend. I told you this the last time we had this charade. It seems you haven't listened. Please seek mental evaluation immediately. It's imperative you do so as quickly as possible.

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                            I must applogize Visiondud, I keep forgetting that you have a monopoly on which religion is the CORRECT one.

                            You have a lock on Truth !

                            My bad.

                            Crazy....Looney Tunes I say....Looney Tunes...

                            You need help my friend. I told you this the last time we had this charade. It seems you haven't listened. Please seek mental evaluation immediately. It's imperative you do so as quickly as possible.

                            nope..... actually you claimed YOU DID.

                            feighned short term memory loss on your part joker,  but you said your vid's in your blog contained

                                     -----> "UNDENIABLE PROOF" <-----

                                "UNDENIABLE PROOF"  means everything on your hit parade of "religions" is only a pretender to your "real truth"

                                                 doing the math,  your U.P.  was the one true "belief"  (according to your "math" anyway)

                              you bloviated all over the board about it,  claimed anyone was a "moron" that assuaged it away,  and then proceeded to enumerate all the other "relig ggggggggggggg gions" in the world as nothing more than a sarcastic hot mess diss.

                            it's more of the same from you.....talking trash about everyone else,  then when it's your turn to back up your bloviations...

                                                                                          YOU WON'T

                            funny,  i don't recall something that's "undeniable" being so shy on the worlds stage.

                            and since the picture of the $1000 reward is still missing,  as is the proof of the email you told eveyone you sent, well NO ONE has to really guess as to whether you are (or not) an ambivalent handler of world truths.

                            THAT'S what's"undeniable"  (that you can't)

                            oh,  but that won't stop you from purposefully starting garbage in these threads.   you live for that.

                            that's far more an indicator of a trouble soul,  rather than the curator of an "undeniable truth"

                            keep searching,   that's cool.

                            causing trouble to those that ARE searching,  that's evil

                                        "i am .........."meant to"       

                            P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

                                     until further notice,  it's  france everyday

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                              ok DD,  back to T.C.B ,   just because your cult didn't teach you the 12 steps of self control,  here is a history lesson reminder...

                              from the opening sequence in genesis to the revelation of the culimination of the history of this earth, 

                              God stated He would come in the flesh to take the sins of the whole world upon Himself, He did.

                              stated He would raise Himself from the dead (only God could raise Himself from the dead), accomplished that,  and then ascended,  just like the scriptures said He would 1000's of years before He was ever born.

                              and speaking of praying,  Jesus commanded His disciples to pray to HIM,  prior to His ascension.

                              like i said,  prayer is worship,  and i reminded you before that Christ received worship from men AND angels.

                              did your cult use white out on their "bible" where it says in the gospels that Jesus instructed His disciples to pray to Him?

                              pray to Him after he ascends into heaven, what?    how is that,  if He is only a "man"?

                              remember in revelation where the angels bow and worship Jesus.   that's impossible if He is "just a man"

                              worship only belongs to God

                               that notion assasinates your cults ability to remove Jesus from His historically consistent God-hood status

                              what's interesting,  is you went on an ego fueled rampage enraged about praying to the "wrong false god"

                              if anyone else in these boards served up a wanna be "god",  for whom they prayed to for help,  your ego runamokitis would kicked into delusional orverdrive,  and you would skewer them with a longest post ever.

                              .....and yet,  Jesus commanded His disciples pray to HIM.

                               

                              anyone has the freedom to believe anything they want about the bible,  it's origin, etc.....but one fact remains is that thruought  ALL it's "history",   it has  always internally taught that God would come to earth Himself to address the sin el problema once and for all.

                              so,  in your cult's twisted "logic",  jesus was merely a man who was willing to symbolically "die" for the sins of humanity.

                              like i said,  aside from the "promises" that are attractive in supreme martyrdom,  NO ONE is going to sign up for dying on behalf of millions of people in history that were heinous and evil.

                              according to your cult,  "jesus" sacrificed himself to give the likes of hitler a free pass.

                              according to common sense,  your cult's "jesus" might have been a good guy,  one of the most upstanding people in all of history,  but you cannot convince anyone that doesn't have a stitch of common sense that your "jesus" gave himself up for those kinds of people.

                              in fact, scripture addressed that very fact...   "someone would be willing to die for a friend,  but no one is willing to die for their enemies". 

                              your cult calls him a super superhuman man,  but stops just short of diefication.

                              claims He is God.  murdered only because He claimed He was,  and for no other reason than that.  said He would raise Himself from the dead,  and did that.  told His disciples to pray to Him.  said He would ascend Himself into heaven (whoa, jesus the "super human man" now has superpowers just like in the cartoons.  jesus "the regular human guy" can teletransport himself.  joker will like that one)......and best of all that killls cult teaching about Christ.....He received worship 

                              i see a historical never-changing representation of Christianity unfolding,  and cult teaching unfolding 

                              before Christ, a lamb was slain for the temporary sacrifice.

                              now,  according to your cults wishful thinking, hoping that no one will apply common sense,  all of a sudden some dude is hand picked out of history (your version of "jesus"),  God places the full effects of sin on that one human being,  and calls everything "square",  and jesus was nothing more than a regular guy like you and me.

                              if that was the case,  God should have waited to use elvis.    elvis sacrificed himself to the porceline god anyway.  older elvis would have had a little difficulty telePORTing himself.   most likely,  God probably would have called on the younger elvis,  pre porceline

                              do i have your cults "teaching" right?

                              God became the lamb Himself.   

                                God took upon Himself....... the sins of all of humanity (even hitler) .........HIMSELF.

                              He did not pick some random dude thru the humanity lottery of all history and throw the sins of the world on the back of an imperfect human being.

                              that is a cult lie,  that is what historical Christianity has always  taught from it's inception.

                              like i said,   you are always welcome to tell the board when God took a detour from hitorical Christianity,  to "reteach" the world.

                              i bet somewhere in the 1800's,  yes?

                              poor God.  lets all that history go by before he decides to correct it.

                              if only he had waited just a little longer,  somewhere around jan 8, 1935 (when elvis was born)

                              it's entirely appropriate for true Christians to pray to Jesus Christ for strength and the knowledge of His will.   and even more appropriate to adjust to the answer,   whether that be a yes OR a no.

                              He is God afterall (to the non wolf's in sheeps clothing crowd)

                              it is however not appropriate to pray to elvis.   although he is still wildly popular,  and has an actual cult following,  that dude is as dead as your ability to slip your cult's teaching by in this thread......is

                                          "i am .........."meant to"       

                              P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

                                       until further notice,  it's  france everyday

                                 
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