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PICK 4,5,6 Cracked - New System

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Posted: November 22, 2011, 7:54 pm - IP Logged

Hey RL when I saw the third column area, LEXI was the first thought. You have thrown so much GOOD STUFF here on the forums and my way, I credit you with the charts and whatnot. Those resulted in trying to understand what you were doing and catch up. I think you have a better understanding on what Developer is doing, so I'm interested in your thoughts.

Last night I ran the data for the triples. This morning I realized the program was closing the file before it completed the cycle through X, X, 37. It is corrected and running again. But not knowing if, or how much of the data is corrupt, it will have to wait.

Big question RL what are your thoughts on positioning 4 balls in a 5 ball game?  Using 4 set numbers you only have 33 combinations in a 37 ball matrix, 35 in a 39 ball matrix. Thinking of running it out, but it will take a ton of time.

Okay, dr san, that idea is not in my sights at the moment. It seems reasonable and achievable using historical data containing a few 1000 draws, but on the global scale it would be a huge undertaking. I wouldn't do it just from looking at the sheer size of the data pool. Currently, we are working with 435,897 numerically arranged permutations that account for every possible draw that could come out. It would be a step back, to use draw order combinations 1/37(1st ball)*1/36(2nd ball)*1/35(3rd ball)*1/34(4th ball)*1/33(last ball). Using that pool you go from searching 435,897 permutations to searching 52,307,640. I agree with RJOH "numbers are going to come out of the terminal in numerical order."

Jadelottery, I have about a page of ideas on projecting numbers off this, but nothing concrete on what might be around the corner. What do you think we should look at?

Developer, Thanks for giving us the opportunity to look into this. As I said earlier, it is not an easy chore to work through an idea, make the data mean something,  but to take the time to write it up and post it is going the extra mile.

Hi garyo1954

I have called this "Ball Placement Probability Theory" maybe I should have titled the thread as such.

"Thinking of running it out, but it will take a ton of time"

I have already completed this task for all 3, 4, 5 and 6 ball combos in all pick 4,5 and 6 games, it took a long time but I now have all the results in an Access database thats 918 MB.......

I am now constructing wheels with the data and finding some intresting results.

Studying this data It can be seen that rules can be applied to the data to produce wheels and as such It wont be long before I can create wheels in various sizes including full coverage with least lines very fast.

It has been said every software has a bug in it, it has also been said that every program can be reduced by one line of code.

There for any program can be reduced to 1 line that dont work.

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    Posted: November 22, 2011, 8:59 pm - IP Logged

    Hi

    Thank you for encouraging comments,I am pleased to see users are understanding what I have had my PC running for two years to work out.

    As for getting an exe out, give me a few weeks to make a user understandable interface and I will send anyone copy that wants it.

    One problem is that the app is currently 197mb, it may shrink somewhat when compiled into an installer but it won't be by much. It is a very big algorithm, and has to be to take into account all combinations in all draws from a 6/49 down.

    it currently covers around 100 different jackpot games worldwide but I have not tested them to prove this, I am testing on the Euro Millions and UK Lotto at this time.

     

    Jamie

    Jamie

    "One problem is that the app is currently 197mb, it may shrink somewhat when compiled into an installer but it won't be by much. "

    Maybe:

    http://www.7-zip.org/

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    161 files
    15,684,168 bytes
    115 files
    23,530,652 bytes
    Compressed sizeRatioCompressed sizeRatio
    7-Zip 4.23 (7z format)4621135100%6109183100%

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    "Ten measures of beauty descended to the world, nine were taken by Jerusalem."

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      Posted: November 22, 2011, 11:46 pm - IP Logged

      Hey RL when I saw the third column area, LEXI was the first thought. You have thrown so much GOOD STUFF here on the forums and my way, I credit you with the charts and whatnot. Those resulted in trying to understand what you were doing and catch up. I think you have a better understanding on what Developer is doing, so I'm interested in your thoughts.

      Last night I ran the data for the triples. This morning I realized the program was closing the file before it completed the cycle through X, X, 37. It is corrected and running again. But not knowing if, or how much of the data is corrupt, it will have to wait.

      Big question RL what are your thoughts on positioning 4 balls in a 5 ball game?  Using 4 set numbers you only have 33 combinations in a 37 ball matrix, 35 in a 39 ball matrix. Thinking of running it out, but it will take a ton of time.

      Okay, dr san, that idea is not in my sights at the moment. It seems reasonable and achievable using historical data containing a few 1000 draws, but on the global scale it would be a huge undertaking. I wouldn't do it just from looking at the sheer size of the data pool. Currently, we are working with 435,897 numerically arranged permutations that account for every possible draw that could come out. It would be a step back, to use draw order combinations 1/37(1st ball)*1/36(2nd ball)*1/35(3rd ball)*1/34(4th ball)*1/33(last ball). Using that pool you go from searching 435,897 permutations to searching 52,307,640. I agree with RJOH "numbers are going to come out of the terminal in numerical order."

      Jadelottery, I have about a page of ideas on projecting numbers off this, but nothing concrete on what might be around the corner. What do you think we should look at?

      Developer, Thanks for giving us the opportunity to look into this. As I said earlier, it is not an easy chore to work through an idea, make the data mean something,  but to take the time to write it up and post it is going the extra mile.

      Gary

      I wrote a program today and will zip it up and provide a link for others to download.  I think that it will fit in

      nicely with this topic, maybe help someone win a JP or mmaybe some smaller prizes.

      RL

      Working on my Ph.D.  "University of hard Knocks"

      I will consider the opinion that my winnings are a product of chance if you are willing to consider

      they are not.  Many great discoveries come while searching for something else

      USAF https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_Base_Engineer_Emergency_Force

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        Posted: November 22, 2011, 11:57 pm - IP Logged

        "Developer" - for future reference, it is probably best not to create a thread titled "PICK 4,5,6 Cracked - New System" when you haven't cracked anything. I can assure you, that you will receive a better response from the members here at LP. You know, as the rest of us know, that nothing was "cracked" here by your findings. In the lotto game, the word "cracked" implies that you have a found a way of beating the system, thus resulting in profit.
        It looks foolish to say you cracked the lotto  when you just created a way of analyzing numbr positioning by frequency.

        But anyways, good luck to you. There is nothing wrong with a person trying to find ways to help increase odds, but your title is misleading & way off.

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          "Developer" - for future reference, it is probably best not to create a thread titled "PICK 4,5,6 Cracked - New System" when you haven't cracked anything. I can assure you, that you will receive a better response from the members here at LP. You know, as the rest of us know, that nothing was "cracked" here by your findings. In the lotto game, the word "cracked" implies that you have a found a way of beating the system, thus resulting in profit.
          It looks foolish to say you cracked the lotto  when you just created a way of analyzing numbr positioning by frequency.

          But anyways, good luck to you. There is nothing wrong with a person trying to find ways to help increase odds, but your title is misleading & way off.

          I agree B$Rizzle. Cracked means you found a way to beat the lottery. Obviously you didn't. 

          Play to win!

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            I agree B$Rizzle. Cracked means you found a way to beat the lottery. Obviously you didn't. 

            Don't be too hard on him, he's not the first to have an eureka moment that once shared didn't seem so great.  I've had a few that went that way too so now I just keep them to myself but if one ever results in me winning a lottery jackpot or second prize in the MM or PB games I will share it.

             * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
               
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              I wrote this program last night to use with Developers idea of number placement. It can be downloaded

              from the link below.  The program is free of all malware/spyware/viruses ect..  Just run the setup to install

              program.  This program does not change anything on your computer except to build a folder and install the

              files to it.  A uninstall icon will also be created incase you want to remove it.  Inside the main install folder is

              another folder called (help) that contains 7 pics that will explain how to ues it.  This program is for any pick-5

              pick-6 lottery up to 60 numbers.  I have not tested it's output on the big games but it seems to work well with

              my 5-39. 

               

              Download link

              http://www.box.com/s/2kloj6reop8olj8b8o65

               

              dnwsa

              Working on my Ph.D.  "University of hard Knocks"

              I will consider the opinion that my winnings are a product of chance if you are willing to consider

              they are not.  Many great discoveries come while searching for something else

              USAF https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_Base_Engineer_Emergency_Force

                US Flag Trump / 2016 & 2020  

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                Posted: November 23, 2011, 3:12 pm - IP Logged

                I tested this on last nights florida 5-36 and ohio 5-39 games, Pics below show results

                 

                FL 5-36

                fl536

                 

                Ohio 5-39

                ohio

                RL

                Working on my Ph.D.  "University of hard Knocks"

                I will consider the opinion that my winnings are a product of chance if you are willing to consider

                they are not.  Many great discoveries come while searching for something else

                USAF https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_Base_Engineer_Emergency_Force

                  US Flag Trump / 2016 & 2020  

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                  Posted: November 23, 2011, 3:26 pm - IP Logged

                  Developer

                   

                  If you can take the returns from the data gotten from this program and try to assign a position to the

                  top numbers it might help to fill in the remaining positions but remember that each set produced must

                  have at least one of each digit used in the run.  I think this might work out very well.  Selecting the digits

                  is the hard part but if one could reduce to just a couple lines then one could make several attempts at

                  using different digits.  My I am going to upgrade this program to where the base digits are set as wild

                  cards which would leave the user with only needing to select 2 or 3 digits from 7.  Selecting 2 digits from

                  7 gives 1-in-21 odds and 3 from 7 is 1 in 35.  Not a bad alternative to 1 in 57575, I don't think hitting the

                  digits everyday is possible but it should produce over time.

                  RL

                  Working on my Ph.D.  "University of hard Knocks"

                  I will consider the opinion that my winnings are a product of chance if you are willing to consider

                  they are not.  Many great discoveries come while searching for something else

                  USAF https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_Base_Engineer_Emergency_Force

                    US Flag Trump / 2016 & 2020  

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                    Posted: November 23, 2011, 5:53 pm - IP Logged

                    Hello, rl, good job, we have a repetition factor of both numbers and digits
                    The factor of repetition we find to help us in the forecast, look at the final digits, some others do not repeat a lottery 49 / 6, at least two three digit endings or end it always repeats itself, when it parses a lottery 49 / 6 in pairs we have 15 pairs,
                    1.2 1.3 to 15 trios also rl numca you thought about using two digit pick3 to study the
                    Final as they are six, or use in the study of pick3 1 st and 2 nd and 3 rd and 4 th in another pick3 5 th 6 th
                    Vertically. Making trios we have 15 positions in a lottery game is 50% math and 50% luck, pairs and trios can help.

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                      Posted: November 23, 2011, 6:11 pm - IP Logged

                      "Developer" - for future reference, it is probably best not to create a thread titled "PICK 4,5,6 Cracked - New System" when you haven't cracked anything. I can assure you, that you will receive a better response from the members here at LP. You know, as the rest of us know, that nothing was "cracked" here by your findings. In the lotto game, the word "cracked" implies that you have a found a way of beating the system, thus resulting in profit.
                      It looks foolish to say you cracked the lotto  when you just created a way of analyzing numbr positioning by frequency.

                      But anyways, good luck to you. There is nothing wrong with a person trying to find ways to help increase odds, but your title is misleading & way off.

                       Yes I see that now, it was not meant in those terms, here in the UK it means you finally archived a goal.

                      Like someone completes a jigsaw that has taken months they would say I finally cracked that jigsaw.

                      Just a saying, did not stop to think how people around the world would take it.

                      We live, we learn

                       

                      Jamie

                      It has been said every software has a bug in it, it has also been said that every program can be reduced by one line of code.

                      There for any program can be reduced to 1 line that dont work.

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                        Posted: November 23, 2011, 6:15 pm - IP Logged

                        Don't be too hard on him, he's not the first to have an eureka moment that once shared didn't seem so great.  I've had a few that went that way too so now I just keep them to myself but if one ever results in me winning a lottery jackpot or second prize in the MM or PB games I will share it.

                        Don't be too hard on him, he's not the first to have an eureka moment that once shared didn't seem so great.

                        It seems great to me, I can analyse any possibly combination in any possible position then compare against any combination in any jackpot draw on the planet in a few seconds.

                        I thinks that's an impressive feat even for the best mathematician.

                        It has been said every software has a bug in it, it has also been said that every program can be reduced by one line of code.

                        There for any program can be reduced to 1 line that dont work.

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                          Posted: November 23, 2011, 6:25 pm - IP Logged

                          I tested this on last nights florida 5-36 and ohio 5-39 games, Pics below show results

                           

                          FL 5-36

                          fl536

                           

                          Ohio 5-39

                          ohio

                          RL

                          Good work, you code fast.

                           

                          What I am attempting to do with this data is make sets of numbers that do not repeat any set of 3 numbers.

                          This maintains the highest % win coverage (see MNA in LSA) as well as positioning the balls in the highest properly positions.

                          Paired the two would produce wheels that generate larger wins whenever a few numbers from the wheel pool get drawn.

                          This requires anaylsing like you have done above but using multiple draws and checking coverage as we go.

                          Give me a week, I will have it working and you will be able to see what I mean.

                          Jamie

                          It has been said every software has a bug in it, it has also been said that every program can be reduced by one line of code.

                          There for any program can be reduced to 1 line that dont work.

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                            Don't be too hard on him, he's not the first to have an eureka moment that once shared didn't seem so great.

                            It seems great to me, I can analyse any possibly combination in any possible position then compare against any combination in any jackpot draw on the planet in a few seconds.

                            I thinks that's an impressive feat even for the best mathematician.

                            I can analyse any possibly combination in any possible position then compare against any combination in any jackpot draw on the planet in a few seconds.

                            Couldn't you have always done that with any lottery you had a data file?  What do you do with information after you have it?

                            I posted 10 predictions for last night MegaMillions drawing on the prediction board and matched 3+0.  As soon as the drawings results were posted, I updated my file and compared/evaluated my predictions.   If possible, I will use the information to adjust my strategy for the next drawing.   Fortunatly I played my predictions and won back $7 of the $10 I spent.

                             * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                               
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                              RL, very nice work. What does shed mean? The drwing was 2-9-28-29-35

                                 
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