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Posted: October 5, 2014, 7:52 pm - IP Logged

garyo1954, while less concerned about his annoyance with those still learning the English language,  said earlier,

"Of course, blackjack is considered a fair game, and yet, using stats/probability with card counting we can tip the odds in our favor."

If he believes that games in which the odds can not be tipped in his favor are "fair," what does he call the others?

And he suggests, "Ask the MIT Blackjack Team about that."

Those MIT Blackjack players were pretty smart cookies.  Maybe he should ask them how they play and what they think about their chances in Lotto...

"Those MIT Blackjack players were pretty smart cookies.  Maybe he should ask them how they play and what they think about their chances in Lotto..."

You don't get out much do you? And I'll bet you feel sort of dumb for not knowing some of them made winning the Cash Winfall game a sure thing.

PS. I'm still waiting for you to "knock me off my perch".

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    garyo1954, while less concerned about his annoyance with those still learning the English language,  said earlier,

    "Of course, blackjack is considered a fair game, and yet, using stats/probability with card counting we can tip the odds in our favor."

    If he believes that games in which the odds can not be tipped in his favor are "fair," what does he call the others?

    And he suggests, "Ask the MIT Blackjack Team about that."

    Those MIT Blackjack players were pretty smart cookies.  Maybe he should ask them how they play and what they think about their chances in Lotto...

    And at the sole mention of "LICKING BUS WINDOWS" a true expert makes his presence known.

    Would you be so kind as to share your philosophy and your favorite window licking methods, jimmy?

    G

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      This question about card counting and the MIT group has me thinking.

       Online blackjack games .....how would those casinos ever begin to catch that? If they really are legitimate .....how do the online gaming casinos protect themselves from that sort of thing?

       Of course my feelings about all of these online "table games" are obvious from my post over the years.

       I think they write the software and that's the end of that story. They don't need protection.   

       

       

      The only real failure .....is the failure to try.                               

                                    Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much. 

                                    Odds never change .....but probability does. 

                                                                                             Win d    

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        This question about card counting and the MIT group has me thinking.

         Online blackjack games .....how would those casinos ever begin to catch that? If they really are legitimate .....how do the online gaming casinos protect themselves from that sort of thing?

         Of course my feelings about all of these online "table games" are obvious from my post over the years.

         I think they write the software and that's the end of that story. They don't need protection.   

        I don't play online blackjack but if they virtually use the concept of continuous shuffling machine then there is no advantage to counting.

        Jimmy


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          "Those MIT Blackjack players were pretty smart cookies.  Maybe he should ask them how they play and what they think about their chances in Lotto..."

          You don't get out much do you? And I'll bet you feel sort of dumb for not knowing some of them made winning the Cash Winfall game a sure thing.

          PS. I'm still waiting for you to "knock me off my perch".

          Stack47,

          "You don't get out much do you? And I'll bet you feel sort of dumb for not knowing some of them made winning the Cash Winfall game a sure thing."

          As far as betting systems or strategies go, could you please tell us what Blackjack and the Cash Winfall games have in common with Lotto?

          "I'm still waiting for you to 'knock me off my perch'".

          Be careful.  If you accidentally predict any game on the LP Prediction Boards other than the GA and TX "All or Nothing" games, you'll knock yourself off.

          --Jimmy4164
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          Check my P.S.

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            Posted: October 6, 2014, 3:35 am - IP Logged

            Stack47,

            "You don't get out much do you? And I'll bet you feel sort of dumb for not knowing some of them made winning the Cash Winfall game a sure thing."

            As far as betting systems or strategies go, could you please tell us what Blackjack and the Cash Winfall games have in common with Lotto?

            "I'm still waiting for you to 'knock me off my perch'".

            Be careful.  If you accidentally predict any game on the LP Prediction Boards other than the GA and TX "All or Nothing" games, you'll knock yourself off.

            --Jimmy4164
            P.S.
            Check my P.S.

            Your window licking skills never cease to amaze me. When you get your GED and CAN read stuff other than "The Cat in the Hat," the basic facts are....

            Cash Windfall was a Massachusetts Lottery game.

            The State Treasurer halted the game.

            MIT students won $8 million.

            Let's not talk about betting systems and strategies and pretend we did. Even if you understood the concept, Don Catlin says it won't work. So what's the point?

            BTW, do you prefer the green or blue Windex?

            G

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              Divide the wheel into a 50/50 coin flip. 0-4, then 5-9. So what are the odds of the next turn of the dial being the other side of the coin? But take any given number: take a recent Evening play in the CA D3: 162 Take that first position: 1. Make it into a coin's side heads, putting 1 at the center: 9 0 1 2 3. What was the Midday play from that day? 089. So, position one had two heads in a row... might be best, if playing Straights, to flip to the other side of the coin: 4 5 6 7 8. (Indeed, 802 came up next day.) This is a very costly and iffily effective way to play... but there's stuff here to think about.

              Try to translate the above  text into a Concept and see what happens!

               

              NB>The workout was not about samples A....D  digits(418.....etc), is about how to sample, what parameters to select as point of reference and finally what is the

              concept behind or pushing those parameters.

              I am going to sample a historical data using the highlighted text ideal to explain the concept of recurrence. Let's chose the date range from 8/27 to 9/30 of 2014 for type D draws(D means Day's draw), arrange the draw sets from old to new in a long string(35 draws will be 105 length string). Now consider each digit as a POINT that keeps repeating but taking different identities, the identity of the point each period will be the Parameter  of recurrence to locate  sample Data(prediction points).

               

              CAL>DAY>DATE RANGE>8/27-9/30>Cycle>35 draws>string Length 105

              Sun, Oct 5, 20143-6-2?Prize Payouts
              Sat, Oct 4, 20141-4-4?Prize Payouts
              Fri, Oct 3, 20145-5-8?Prize Payouts
              Thu, Oct 2, 20148-0-2?Prize Payouts
              Wed, Oct 1, 20140-9-8?Prize Payouts
              Tue, Sep 30, 20145-4-1?Prize Payouts
              Mon, Sep 29, 20146-8-5?Prize Payouts
              Sun, Sep 28, 20149-7-9?Prize Payouts
              Sat, Sep 27, 20145-8-6?Prize Payouts
              Fri, Sep 26, 20143-0-5?Prize Payouts
              Thu, Sep 25, 20141-0-2?Prize Payouts
              Wed, Sep 24, 20142-0-3?Prize Payouts
              Tue, Sep 23, 20149-6-0?Prize Payouts
              Mon, Sep 22, 20141-3-7?Prize Payouts
              Sun, Sep 21, 20143-4-8?Prize Payouts
              Sat, Sep 20, 20141-2-0?Prize Payouts
              Fri, Sep 19, 20149-0-3?Prize Payouts
              Thu, Sep 18, 20145-9-5?Prize Payouts
              Wed, Sep 17, 20147-1-2?Prize Payouts
              Tue, Sep 16, 20141-4-3?Prize Payouts
              Mon, Sep 15, 20149-3-1?Prize Payouts
              Sun, Sep 14, 20144-3-0?Prize Payouts
              Sat, Sep 13, 20143-4-4?Prize Payouts
              Fri, Sep 12, 20149-0-2?Prize Payouts
              Thu, Sep 11, 20147-6-8?Prize Payouts
              Wed, Sep 10, 20147-1-5?Prize Payouts
              Tue, Sep 9, 20142-7-3?Prize Payouts
              Mon, Sep 8, 20143-7-0?Prize Payouts
              Sun, Sep 7, 20142-0-4?Prize Payouts
              Sat, Sep 6, 20148-6-4?Prize Payouts
              Fri, Sep 5, 20142-8-2?Prize Payouts
              Thu, Sep 4, 20146-5-2?Prize Payouts
              Wed, Sep 3, 20148-6-4?Prize Payouts
              Tue, Sep 2, 20148-2-0?Prize Payouts
              Mon, Sep 1, 20146-1-2?Prize Payouts
              Sun, Aug 31, 20149-1-7?Prize Payouts
              Sat, Aug 30, 20145-9-7?Prize Payouts
              Fri, Aug 29, 20141-6-5?Prize Payouts
              Thu, Aug 28, 20145-0-4?Prize Payouts
              Wed, Aug 27, 20145-5-1?Prize Payouts

              String>551504165597917612820864652282864204370273715768902344430931143712595903120348137960203102305586979685541

              Assumption> every point(parameter) assumes different identities  during each cycle, so lets group their recurrence 

               

              digit         Recurrent points

              0             4,8,4,2,2,2,9,3,3,2,3,2,5:>2>3>4 (This indicates that, a point with ID 0 will recur with identities 2,3,4 most of the time)

              2             8,0,2,8,0,7,3,5,0,0,3:>  0>8>3   >sign indicates priority of selection(most frequent)

              3             7,7,4,0,1,7,1,4,7,1,0:> 7>1>4>0

              4             1,6,2,3,4,4,3,3,8,1:>3>4>1

              5             5,1,0,5,2,7,9,9,5,5:>5>9

              6             5,1,4,5,4,8,0,9,8:>5,8,4(same chance,same frequency)

              7             9,6,0,3,1,6,1,9,9:> 9>6>1

              8            2,6,2,6,9,1,6,5:>6>2

              9            7,1,0,3,5,0,6,7,6:>7,0,6

               

              This is just one sample for 35 cycles, is best to do three different samples (200,500,50 cycles) for prevailing trends. Lets use this for a workout  for draw set 098 of October,1>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

               

              set    098

              0> recurs 2,3,4       9>7,0,6       8>6,2

              276

              302

              4   >>>Picks 276-272-206-202-376-372-306-302-476-472-406-402 (3*2*2>12 picks)> pending prediction for few draws

               With recurrent identities , positions and double bets are inherent, you don't have to track them, you can also reduce your picks by priority of digit recurrence(note > sign), for example  the draw 098 could be just  23-70-62(2*2*2 picks) or   2-7-6(good for pair formation),  see hit 306 for Evening draw(Oct., 2).

               

              set  802

               

              620

              238

              x43>>>>362 box hit with 2*3*3(18 picks) or just 62-23-08  or pair with priority 6-2-0

               

              Set 558

               

              556

              992>>>.2*2*2(6 picks) pending

              NB> I hope my explanation is clear and comprehensive, questions and constructive critique are most welcome

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                This question about card counting and the MIT group has me thinking.

                 Online blackjack games .....how would those casinos ever begin to catch that? If they really are legitimate .....how do the online gaming casinos protect themselves from that sort of thing?

                 Of course my feelings about all of these online "table games" are obvious from my post over the years.

                 I think they write the software and that's the end of that story. They don't need protection.   

                WIN D, I'll share my thoughts on the casino-style online games. A couple of years ago, I did my own personal study in an attempt to help a buddy determine how legit such a thing would be but, we were looking at Roulette. After a little research on the companies that provide the software which powers these games, I began to do some 'demo' sampling on a couple of different sites just to establish similarities and differences. Now, our idea wasn't to become rich on this deal deal. It would be desinged to where the odds would be so heavily in our favor, at a cost, that we'd only need to do (2) random spins at any given time to make some money after recovering our investment. Now, for all the numbers and details so you can make sense of all this madness...'cause it really was madness!!

                What I came up with was this: (36) numbers on the European-style wheel which has only one zero. My coverage was (31) numbers out of the (36) and betting $10/chip for a total of ($310) for the bet. Now, the payout on this deal was $360 so the profit spread would be ($50) on each win. Still with me? Okay. Doing this would require a total of (7) wins to recover the ($310) deposit (investment) to run the betting style because ($50) profit x (7) wins = ($350) which also means we'd be up by a total of ($660)...($310 + $350). Each win pays ($360) but, my cost is ($310) just as a reminder. I'm sure you're asking why would I spend that much when it would only take (1) loss on any of the remaining (6) numbers, including the zero, to lose it all. Well, I was looking at maximum efficiency versus turning a decent profit for something I felt we could actually count on with only (2) spins here and there...that's it. We weren't talking about sitting on the wheel all day long trying to get rich.

                I personally felt, from the beginning, that the software would 'learn' my betting style at some point and cause me to lose although the wheel can still land on any one of the uncovered numbers. However, I was adjusting my numbers on each session to try and throw it off...if possible. In the end, my intuition was correct as I was only(2) spins away from recovering it all, on just the second day, before it began landing on one of my uncovered numbers which changed on each session. It still 'found' it somehow and I found that to be very interesting...especially after happening twice in a row. Think about that real good for a minute. (31) out of (36) numbers + zero covered and it still seemed to figure out which number(s) I left unprotected...twice. Not impossible but, come on. This was just an experiment and I'd never drop that kind of coin on any type of software game online 'cause I don't trust the software publishers...period. However, after telling a buddy about this, he decided he'd give it a shot for real and just spread his spins out more than I did. Not sure if it was luck or his approach but, he made it and got all his money back!! Then, he cut back on his chip amount and just did the black or red deal since he had all that money to work with...not wanting to lose it on such a high stake per spin at that point.

                Right now, he's still doing some sort of combination-style bet which he learned from some Roulette guru who seemingly understands the software. He's not rich but, he makes a little money here and there. He's determined he'll figure out how to increase his profit using minimum spins with what he's currently doing and I support him though I have my reserve on software. My thing is lotto and he can't grasp lotto odds just like I can't grasp Roulette odds. Go figure.

                L.L.

                Small games, frequent wins, and regular payouts 'cause.....

                There are seven days in the week...'Someday' isn't one of them.

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                  I am going to sample a historical data using the highlighted text ideal to explain the concept of recurrence. Let's chose the date range from 8/27 to 9/30 of 2014 for type D draws(D means Day's draw), arrange the draw sets from old to new in a long string(35 draws will be 105 length string). Now consider each digit as a POINT that keeps repeating but taking different identities, the identity of the point each period will be the Parameter  of recurrence to locate  sample Data(prediction points).

                   

                  CAL>DAY>DATE RANGE>8/27-9/30>Cycle>35 draws>string Length 105

                  Sun, Oct 5, 20143-6-2?Prize Payouts
                  Sat, Oct 4, 20141-4-4?Prize Payouts
                  Fri, Oct 3, 20145-5-8?Prize Payouts
                  Thu, Oct 2, 20148-0-2?Prize Payouts
                  Wed, Oct 1, 20140-9-8?Prize Payouts
                  Tue, Sep 30, 20145-4-1?Prize Payouts
                  Mon, Sep 29, 20146-8-5?Prize Payouts
                  Sun, Sep 28, 20149-7-9?Prize Payouts
                  Sat, Sep 27, 20145-8-6?Prize Payouts
                  Fri, Sep 26, 20143-0-5?Prize Payouts
                  Thu, Sep 25, 20141-0-2?Prize Payouts
                  Wed, Sep 24, 20142-0-3?Prize Payouts
                  Tue, Sep 23, 20149-6-0?Prize Payouts
                  Mon, Sep 22, 20141-3-7?Prize Payouts
                  Sun, Sep 21, 20143-4-8?Prize Payouts
                  Sat, Sep 20, 20141-2-0?Prize Payouts
                  Fri, Sep 19, 20149-0-3?Prize Payouts
                  Thu, Sep 18, 20145-9-5?Prize Payouts
                  Wed, Sep 17, 20147-1-2?Prize Payouts
                  Tue, Sep 16, 20141-4-3?Prize Payouts
                  Mon, Sep 15, 20149-3-1?Prize Payouts
                  Sun, Sep 14, 20144-3-0?Prize Payouts
                  Sat, Sep 13, 20143-4-4?Prize Payouts
                  Fri, Sep 12, 20149-0-2?Prize Payouts
                  Thu, Sep 11, 20147-6-8?Prize Payouts
                  Wed, Sep 10, 20147-1-5?Prize Payouts
                  Tue, Sep 9, 20142-7-3?Prize Payouts
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                  Thu, Sep 4, 20146-5-2?Prize Payouts
                  Wed, Sep 3, 20148-6-4?Prize Payouts
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                  Mon, Sep 1, 20146-1-2?Prize Payouts
                  Sun, Aug 31, 20149-1-7?Prize Payouts
                  Sat, Aug 30, 20145-9-7?Prize Payouts
                  Fri, Aug 29, 20141-6-5?Prize Payouts
                  Thu, Aug 28, 20145-0-4?Prize Payouts
                  Wed, Aug 27, 20145-5-1?Prize Payouts

                  String>551504165597917612820864652282864204370273715768902344430931143712595903120348137960203102305586979685541

                  Assumption> every point(parameter) assumes different identities  during each cycle, so lets group their recurrence 

                   

                  digit         Recurrent points

                  0             4,8,4,2,2,2,9,3,3,2,3,2,5:>2>3>4 (This indicates that, a point with ID 0 will recur with identities 2,3,4 most of the time)

                  2             8,0,2,8,0,7,3,5,0,0,3:>  0>8>3   >sign indicates priority of selection(most frequent)

                  3             7,7,4,0,1,7,1,4,7,1,0:> 7>1>4>0

                  4             1,6,2,3,4,4,3,3,8,1:>3>4>1

                  5             5,1,0,5,2,7,9,9,5,5:>5>9

                  6             5,1,4,5,4,8,0,9,8:>5,8,4(same chance,same frequency)

                  7             9,6,0,3,1,6,1,9,9:> 9>6>1

                  8            2,6,2,6,9,1,6,5:>6>2

                  9            7,1,0,3,5,0,6,7,6:>7,0,6

                   

                  This is just one sample for 35 cycles, is best to do three different samples (200,500,50 cycles) for prevailing trends. Lets use this for a workout  for draw set 098 of October,1>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

                   

                  set    098

                  0> recurs 2,3,4       9>7,0,6       8>6,2

                  276

                  302

                  4   >>>Picks 276-272-206-202-376-372-306-302-476-472-406-402 (3*2*2>12 picks)> pending prediction for few draws

                   With recurrent identities , positions and double bets are inherent, you don't have to track them, you can also reduce your picks by priority of digit recurrence(note > sign), for example  the draw 098 could be just  23-70-62(2*2*2 picks) or   2-7-6(good for pair formation),  see hit 306 for Evening draw(Oct., 2).

                   

                  set  802

                   

                  620

                  238

                  x43>>>>362 box hit with 2*3*3(18 picks) or just 62-23-08  or pair with priority 6-2-0

                   

                  Set 558

                   

                  556

                  992>>>.2*2*2(6 picks) pending

                  NB> I hope my explanation is clear and comprehensive, questions and constructive critique are most welcome

                  Much clearer, Adobea! I finally (think?) I understand what you're driving at here. I'm going to ponder it more.

                  A question:

                  What's your a priori for that long string of numbers? I'm not sure why it's not, say, working up from digit-placement to digit-placement. E.g., 551 - 504 - 165... next first placement 5 is: 595 - 903... so you get a string (all following 5s) 5-1-9, etc. Your long string assumes a relationship between, say, the 1 in 551, and the 5 in 504 - different play, different placement. What's the reasoning here? Or are you looking at the game as one long continuous string of numbers, like a flowing river? I can see that....

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                    Much clearer, Adobea! I finally (think?) I understand what you're driving at here. I'm going to ponder it more.

                    A question:

                    What's your a priori for that long string of numbers? I'm not sure why it's not, say, working up from digit-placement to digit-placement. E.g., 551 - 504 - 165... next first placement 5 is: 595 - 903... so you get a string (all following 5s) 5-1-9, etc. Your long string assumes a relationship between, say, the 1 in 551, and the 5 in 504 - different play, different placement. What's the reasoning here? Or are you looking at the game as one long continuous string of numbers, like a flowing river? I can see that....

                     I don't subscribe to 'PRIOR' which is a central theme of BAYESIAN  Statistics. Bayesian stats depends on large historical data, 'adjusting probabilities'  with increase size of data, I am not comfortable with this approach, first you need much large data , second, the ideal of history repeating itself when conditions are different does not appeal to me(my opinion). I did this workout to explain the concept of recurrence to create PREDICTION POINTS in a very simple way by using HISTORICAL draws. I opt for the FREQUENTIST Model which depends on DEGREE OF CONFIDENCE   via FREQUENCY by selecting a PARAMETER of reference(It could be digits, sum, mean, standard deviation.....etc), this model does not depend much on classical definition of probability and is easier for me. so,  how do I sample unknown DATA?, I have a data , which is the matrix of any game, eg,  the pool 0-9 for digit games, format x/N for other lottery. The matrix of each game can be randomized and then sampled> basically , you're creating your own data and sampling it, hope this helps.

                     

                    NB> Do not read into it too much, is a simple concept of  A POINT  assuming a different identities at different periods, a point is still a point in substance, you decided to assign an identity to it for obvious reason(the game could not played without ID). You can interpret this line of thought in many different ways.

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                      Much clearer, Adobea! I finally (think?) I understand what you're driving at here. I'm going to ponder it more.

                      A question:

                      What's your a priori for that long string of numbers? I'm not sure why it's not, say, working up from digit-placement to digit-placement. E.g., 551 - 504 - 165... next first placement 5 is: 595 - 903... so you get a string (all following 5s) 5-1-9, etc. Your long string assumes a relationship between, say, the 1 in 551, and the 5 in 504 - different play, different placement. What's the reasoning here? Or are you looking at the game as one long continuous string of numbers, like a flowing river? I can see that....

                      Digit-placement to digit-placement is interesting, but it will create many 'if' conditions in your final picks selection. In pick 3 and 4 games, I assume the balls are drawn with replacement or three different hoppers with 10 members, all drawn at different periods. With this assumption, one ball is been drawn at a time, consider the ball as point that recurs every period .

                      ' Long continuous string, like flowing river'---I am not sure about the plane dimension, but picture a plotter on x-y plane plotting a wave -curve.

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                        This question about card counting and the MIT group has me thinking.

                         Online blackjack games .....how would those casinos ever begin to catch that? If they really are legitimate .....how do the online gaming casinos protect themselves from that sort of thing?

                         Of course my feelings about all of these online "table games" are obvious from my post over the years.

                         I think they write the software and that's the end of that story. They don't need protection.   

                        Wind, hope am not hijacking your thread.

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                           I don't subscribe to 'PRIOR' which is a central theme of BAYESIAN  Statistics. Bayesian stats depends on large historical data, 'adjusting probabilities'  with increase size of data, I am not comfortable with this approach, first you need much large data , second, the ideal of history repeating itself when conditions are different does not appeal to me(my opinion). I did this workout to explain the concept of recurrence to create PREDICTION POINTS in a very simple way by using HISTORICAL draws. I opt for the FREQUENTIST Model which depends on DEGREE OF CONFIDENCE   via FREQUENCY by selecting a PARAMETER of reference(It could be digits, sum, mean, standard deviation.....etc), this model does not depend much on classical definition of probability and is easier for me. so,  how do I sample unknown DATA?, I have a data , which is the matrix of any game, eg,  the pool 0-9 for digit games, format x/N for other lottery. The matrix of each game can be randomized and then sampled> basically , you're creating your own data and sampling it, hope this helps.

                           

                          NB> Do not read into it too much, is a simple concept of  A POINT  assuming a different identities at different periods, a point is still a point in substance, you decided to assign an identity to it for obvious reason(the game could not played without ID). You can interpret this line of thought in many different ways.

                          I have a bit of a confusion between "prior" and "historical" - isn't that which is historical, prior? And how do you have "unknown data" - the data is the "historical" data you're using, to configure future results. But like you say, you can interpret this many different ways; and maybe this is all semantics anyway.

                          There are no balls drawn in the CA D3... however, one can assume a similar principle, with it choosing singles that are "dependent" upon the prior digit - each must be different, or you get doubles/triples, which are rare events. So, every third digit, presumably, has a greater chance of being drawn from Pool X, than the previous one.

                          Still bears contemplation and study. You nearly had CA today!

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                            I have a bit of a confusion between "prior" and "historical" - isn't that which is historical, prior? And how do you have "unknown data" - the data is the "historical" data you're using, to configure future results. But like you say, you can interpret this many different ways; and maybe this is all semantics anyway.

                            There are no balls drawn in the CA D3... however, one can assume a similar principle, with it choosing singles that are "dependent" upon the prior digit - each must be different, or you get doubles/triples, which are rare events. So, every third digit, presumably, has a greater chance of being drawn from Pool X, than the previous one.

                            Still bears contemplation and study. You nearly had CA today!

                            Prior or Historical?

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                              Stack47,

                              "You don't get out much do you? And I'll bet you feel sort of dumb for not knowing some of them made winning the Cash Winfall game a sure thing."

                              As far as betting systems or strategies go, could you please tell us what Blackjack and the Cash Winfall games have in common with Lotto?

                              "I'm still waiting for you to 'knock me off my perch'".

                              Be careful.  If you accidentally predict any game on the LP Prediction Boards other than the GA and TX "All or Nothing" games, you'll knock yourself off.

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                              Check my P.S.

                              "As far as betting systems or strategies go, could you please tell us what Blackjack and the Cash Winfall games have in common with Lotto?"

                              It looks like Al Zheimers visited you early this morning because yesterday you said "Those MIT Blackjack players were pretty smart cookies.  Maybe he should ask them how they play and what they think about their chances in Lotto..." Which part of the link I gave you explaining what they thought about their chances in the Cash Winfall game is confusing you and Al?

                              And speaking of you buddy Al, if you knew MIT students won $8 million on a lotto game, why did you make such a dumb remark?

                              "If you accidentally predict any game on the LP Prediction Boards other than the GA and TX "All or Nothing" games, you'll knock yourself off."

                              Wow, it's worse than I thought!

                              I predicted 20 pick-3 lines "good for all month" and proved my predictions could produce at least one box hit in every pick-3 jurisdiction in one month. That's 34% of my lifetime predictions and if could get a 22.5% hit ratio playing pick-3 or even my lifetime 14% ......Do the math.

                                 
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