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Do you believe every combination has the same probability?

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Casinos don't book anything they are not going to pay if it wins.

Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

Lep

There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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    Casinos don't book anything they are not going to pay if it wins.

    Would you go to a Casino If they implemented the same rules as the lotteries do?

    It's a yes or no question. It's really not that hard of a question. If you have to think about that question, then you must have some doubts. If it's a clear cut answer, then go ahead and answer yes or no. You and the others don't have a problem if I ask the same question with lotteries, so why the hesitation?

     

    Watch this people..........Are you okay with lotteries and their pre tests? ...Let's see how fast the answer is YES !

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      In Florida, and other states, once a year during Christmas, there's a raffle game. The ticket costs 20 bucks a pop. Can you imagine If they published the 5-7, or more pre test results before choosing the next winners after the game was over? That's a lot of pretests. I don't play but I think there are a couple of million dollar JPs and a lot of lower tier prizes.

      Can you imagine the outrage If people saw their winning serial numbers on that pre test list? I personally believe that If people really knew what was going on, there would be a public outrage. Unfortunately, most people are casual players who don't have a clue. Most people don't do their homework, and truly sit down and think about how the process works. I would bet a hundred bucks if I asked 100 people on the street if they knew about pretests, only about 10% of the honest ones would reply yes.

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        I guess I can put you on the list of people who avoid my TWO CRUCIAL questions. That's okay, You all know there is no sensible answer to those two questions because I'm right and you are wrong.

        I just want to see your face when you put 100 bucks on 30 in roulette and during the five test spins, 30 shows up, but not on the official spin. I would pay to see you people's reactions. This is all of course hypothetical, because no one in their right mind would EVER agree to walk into a casino with those stipulations. Casinos would be a thing of the past.

        Yet when it's applied to the lottery, you are all jumping for joy, just like lost puppies in a huge yard filled with a 1,000 milk bones scattered everywhere, wearing horse blinders and drunk like a sailor.

        I don't expect you to agree with me, just answer my two questions. Never mind, you people don't get it and never will.

        Thud Crazy   Bash    Crazy    Puke

        I haven't seen a single person jump for joy in this thread. 

         

        The game is what it is. All your whining is unlikely to change it.  You dislike it so much, I'm not sure why you keep playing.

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          I haven't seen a single person jump for joy in this thread. 

           

          The game is what it is. All your whining is unlikely to change it.  You dislike it so much, I'm not sure why you keep playing.

          But they defend the corruption like it's the Constitution. ha ha

          I'm not whining, but trying to educate people, there's a difference. 

          As for your last sentence, I don't play that much anymore. I'm disgusted even more now that so many are misinformed. Before 2008 in Florida, when there was only one draw a day for P-3, I used to win about once a month or so, STRAIGHT, sometimes on multiple str8 wins, worse case scenario even out, like a piggy bank that you broke open after a month or so. Now it's like pulling teeth. 

          I can protest bad behavior despite the fact I play less, it's my right. Are you restricting my right to express myself?

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            I know the zeros I showed don't happen often, it was just an example of the mess that can be created with tests. You don't seem to understand my point.

            Numbers that were supposed to show up don't, and people lose money, like i wrote in my last reply. Personally, I don't play overdue numbers but a lot of people do. The point is that what the officials are doing is justified erroneously, based on false premises, means they are lying out their ass.

            Since stuck47, coinfuss, and the Jelly manufacturer avoid my questions, maybe you'll entertain me.

            Answer honestly, how long would the casinos stay open, or even open their doors from day one If they all announced they will start implementing the same rules as the lotteries, like the pre tests?

            Every spin of the roulette wheel represents a new game. Every deal of the cards represents a new game, every pull of the slot handle represents a new game. What If they performed 5 pre tests before each spin,  before each pull of the handle, before each deal of cards, would you still go to the casino?

            It's a yes or no answer. 

            Answer honestly, how long would the casinos stay open, or even open their doors from day one If they all announced they will start implementing the same rules as the lotteries, like the pre tests?

            Those tests would slow down the atmosphere of the casino from a fast paced gambling environment (can make hundreds in seconds - minutes) to a very slow paced setting such as the lottery. This is the main difference between the casino and the lottery I've always thought. So if the question is would they stay open? I'll go with no, okay. Just because many casino players may not be a fan of the new procedures and the change of gambling setting. Pre-tests would annoy the hell out of me at a roulette table but that's because that would be the opposite of what I'd be used to playing.

            Creativity..

            " What's more likely to happen will happen.. "

            Million dollar operation 

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              Ok LL, with all due respect of course, fine if you want to make that point then that's fine for your understanding and there's nothing wrong with that. But that doesn't mean what I said is merely dismissed. It doesn't matter if I skipped 3 test-draws. It doesn't matter at all. The point I was making is that the pre-tests will only delay a number from coming out. If you think 658 or any other number was gonna come out today, and it comes out in 2 days. We're you still right? Yes, because it did come out. That was my point. I don't see why you didn't understand that. Obviously this is not true for every single number that comes out in a pre-test, but you're saying that you understand how the game should happen in your mind. How do you understand the principle of the game? As random correct? Well, random does not follow any set ordered guidelines. It follows random.Well then how are saying with 100% certainty that the test-draws interfere with the results. I just showed you an example where they did not. And look at the double 77s too, coming out 3 times? Come on LL, I was expecting more of an open mind.

              Boy, you had me worried for a second. I was waiting and even bought a coffee for $2 that had the possibility of being worth $1000, lol

              No NoNo No Nope, it doesn't work that way...at all. First and foremost, I'm the one who took the time and put forth the effort for YOU to even properly see what actually happened over the ENTIRE COURSE of the draw procedures, okay. You, and all your misinformation, didn't think or know anything regarding these draws. All you did was went and found what you liked which was a pre-test result of (658) and completely skipped a $hitload of draws between to cherry pick the 9/21 evening official results of (685). I took all the information that YOU PROVIDED, worked it, and you STILL can't even see the lightThud.

              It doesn't matter if I skipped 3 test-draws. It doesn't matter at all. The point I was making is that the pre-tests will only delay a number from coming out. If you think 658 or any other number was gonna come out today, and it comes out in 2 days. We're you still right? Yes, because it did come out.

              He11, it's no wonder you're so discombobulated...you can't even can't the number of draws you skipped, manGreen laughNo NodThud! I know it's embarrassing No Nod but, please, go back and count how many test draws took place between the 9/19 day test #1 (658) you began with and the 9/21 evening official results of (685)IdeaIdea. It's all relevant....and here's why. Soledad, this discussion is all about PRE-TESTS AND PROBABILITIES. You based your whole argument on the RESULTS BEGINNING WITH A PRE-TEST(658)...YES??? Well, you and all your 'Sole-bruthas' have been consistently DISCOUNTING WHAT TAKES PLACE IN THE PRE-TESTS, AND, SAYING THAT IT DOESN'T MATTERGreen laughLOL. You've all been arguing AGAINST THE PRE-TESTS...and A PRE-TEST COMBO ENDED UP WINNING just like I told bobby623 previously. But, again, and according to ALL OF YOU, these things don't matter and do not affect the official results.

              We're you still right? Yes, because it did come out.

              This depends on if you would've actually been playing any 68X, X85, or X85 combo because that's all that would've gotten you there on that particular drawYes Nod, sir....pairs or boxed. Seeing as to how all those combos BEGAN IN A PRE-TEST, WHICH DON'T MATTER, I HIGHLY DOUBT YOU WOULD'VE BEEN PULLING FOR THEMNo Nod. Here's where I had already educated bobby623 on winning combos drawn in pre-tests then showing up in official draws as winners on Page 15 and the 6th post down of this same thread:

               

              -The workout is 'driven' by the 'winning, prize paying integers.

              As a final comment on a thread that seems to be going in circles

              Well, bobby, you're actually correct except you circled right back to what I've already accurately identifiedLOL. You see, those 'prize-winning integers' which were and are drawn the 5th time are still part of that same process where (4) prior winning integers were also drawnYes Nod. Again, the only difference is that the one draw has 'official' attached to itYes Nod. I'd like to ask you another great question, if you'll oblige me just one last timeSee Ya!. What happens when the same numbers/combos drawn in the pre-test are drawn a day or so later in their official draw, and, the once so-called 'winning and prize-paying integers' show up in pre-tests after that? Would you still utilize those now defunct integers as 'drivers', or, switch to those pre-test numbers that once never had any impact on anythingNo No? When I tell you that it has happened, you can trust that I know what I'm talking aboutSmash. -

               

              I'm gonna rest my case here. You certain people can remain in denial about whether or not pre-tests matter all you want but, not one of you has shown me a thing...and you cannot even count pre-tests, my man. Green laughHere's a little advice for you regarding your little coffee joke:

              NEXT TIME, TAKE YOUR OWN COFFEE MUG AND JUST REFILL IT...IT'S CHEAPER EVERY TIME FOR THAT SAME COFFEE. I TOLD YOU THAT YOU CAN'T COUNT!! LOLGreen laughRazzIdeaGreen laughPlease Stop...you cant win here.

              Small games, frequent wins, and regular payouts 'cause.....

              There are seven days in the week...'Someday' isn't one of them.

              #lotto-4-a-living

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                I'll agree that it's a good thing to inform people of the pre-tests. I wasn't aware of them before joining LP.

                 

                But, over and over and over and over again is annoying. I guess it is your right to be annoying if that's what you really want. 

                 

                I hope the thread continues on the main track, the nature of randomness is highly interesting.

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                  Hi Amber

                  Absolutely No on Pre or Post Testing, because it changes the next outcome

                  Check out: 

                  Heisenberg Effect

                  Werner Heisenberg was a German theoretical physicist was a quantum forerunner saying that an event did not exist unless witnessed & when observed the event becomes changed.....

                  Note Bene:

                  Our Coin Toss, has a wealth of hands on experience on both sides of the tables.

                   

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                    No NoNo No Nope, it doesn't work that way...at all. First and foremost, I'm the one who took the time and put forth the effort for YOU to even properly see what actually happened over the ENTIRE COURSE of the draw procedures, okay. You, and all your misinformation, didn't think or know anything regarding these draws. All you did was went and found what you liked which was a pre-test result of (658) and completely skipped a $hitload of draws between to cherry pick the 9/21 evening official results of (685). I took all the information that YOU PROVIDED, worked it, and you STILL can't even see the lightThud.

                    It doesn't matter if I skipped 3 test-draws. It doesn't matter at all. The point I was making is that the pre-tests will only delay a number from coming out. If you think 658 or any other number was gonna come out today, and it comes out in 2 days. We're you still right? Yes, because it did come out.

                    He11, it's no wonder you're so discombobulated...you can't even can't the number of draws you skipped, manGreen laughNo NodThud! I know it's embarrassing No Nod but, please, go back and count how many test draws took place between the 9/19 day test #1 (658) you began with and the 9/21 evening official results of (685)IdeaIdea. It's all relevant....and here's why. Soledad, this discussion is all about PRE-TESTS AND PROBABILITIES. You based your whole argument on the RESULTS BEGINNING WITH A PRE-TEST(658)...YES??? Well, you and all your 'Sole-bruthas' have been consistently DISCOUNTING WHAT TAKES PLACE IN THE PRE-TESTS, AND, SAYING THAT IT DOESN'T MATTERGreen laughLOL. You've all been arguing AGAINST THE PRE-TESTS...and A PRE-TEST COMBO ENDED UP WINNING just like I told bobby623 previously. But, again, and according to ALL OF YOU, these things don't matter and do not affect the official results.

                    We're you still right? Yes, because it did come out.

                    This depends on if you would've actually been playing any 68X, X85, or X85 combo because that's all that would've gotten you there on that particular drawYes Nod, sir....pairs or boxed. Seeing as to how all those combos BEGAN IN A PRE-TEST, WHICH DON'T MATTER, I HIGHLY DOUBT YOU WOULD'VE BEEN PULLING FOR THEMNo Nod. Here's where I had already educated bobby623 on winning combos drawn in pre-tests then showing up in official draws as winners on Page 15 and the 6th post down of this same thread:

                     

                    -The workout is 'driven' by the 'winning, prize paying integers.

                    As a final comment on a thread that seems to be going in circles

                    Well, bobby, you're actually correct except you circled right back to what I've already accurately identifiedLOL. You see, those 'prize-winning integers' which were and are drawn the 5th time are still part of that same process where (4) prior winning integers were also drawnYes Nod. Again, the only difference is that the one draw has 'official' attached to itYes Nod. I'd like to ask you another great question, if you'll oblige me just one last timeSee Ya!. What happens when the same numbers/combos drawn in the pre-test are drawn a day or so later in their official draw, and, the once so-called 'winning and prize-paying integers' show up in pre-tests after that? Would you still utilize those now defunct integers as 'drivers', or, switch to those pre-test numbers that once never had any impact on anythingNo No? When I tell you that it has happened, you can trust that I know what I'm talking aboutSmash. -

                     

                    I'm gonna rest my case here. You certain people can remain in denial about whether or not pre-tests matter all you want but, not one of you has shown me a thing...and you cannot even count pre-tests, my man. Green laughHere's a little advice for you regarding your little coffee joke:

                    NEXT TIME, TAKE YOUR OWN COFFEE MUG AND JUST REFILL IT...IT'S CHEAPER EVERY TIME FOR THAT SAME COFFEE. I TOLD YOU THAT YOU CAN'T COUNT!! LOLGreen laughRazzIdeaGreen laughPlease Stop...you cant win here.

                    I'm gonna rest my case here. You certain people can remain in denial about whether or not pre-tests matter all you want but, not one of you has shown me a thing...and you cannot even count pre-tests, my man. Green laugh

                    With all of this knowledge being known and analyzed surely you have come up with an atleast halfway decent method to work around the pre tests in the best way possible by now? Or is your conclusion there is no way around em' and the officials need to do away with em so more people can win? Time to get to the meat & potatoes of this thing and figure out ways to win our lotteries more often...

                    Creativity..

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                      Would everyone here agree that numbers generated by ramdom.org are as close to truly random as we're going to find? 

                      Go there and generate a thousand lines of 3 or 4 single digit numbers. They look random right? Now take every 5th line, disregard the 4 in between simulating pre-draws.

                      Are the lines remaining more or less random than the group as a whole?

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                        The premise of all lottery games is randomness, the' bogey man' is not the pre-test . This topic is not new, its been rehashed many times.If you think the draw process is unfair, then stop playing. In statistics, the  Null hypothesis is used to validate /reject the randomness of a system, the pre-trials does that!

                        The probability of any set of Pick 3 remains constant for each cycle> each cycle is unique and mutually exclusive. The 1/1000 ratio does not mean ' all sets  will be drawn within 1000 cycles. Every cycle starts with 1/1000 probability,  certain sets will be frequent than others. The fact the draw 123 was  frequent within a period does not negate the 1/1000 ratio , the set came from different cycles. Lets take the pool with the ratio 1/10,  a repeat digit 2,2,2 has the same 1/10 ratio irrespective of its frequency(Your distribution percentage may change, but ratio remains constant). Someone alluded to why Bayes' concept is not been discussed,  the concept apportion probabilities to changing distribution of a parameter, it does not change the prior ratio 1/1000.

                        When I first joined LP i always saw name adobea78 at top of board, first name I ever followed, always noticed nunbers and numbers hitting frequently. I have read and have to agree with her philosophy on getting past all that amber123 which adobea78 does all the time..

                        It shouldn't matter if you or LL are following every single draw consecutuvely because each draw is independent of by its own randomness. All you need to do is record the data sequentially and apply the strategy the same way. And lottery strategies should and will follow that same sequential guideline with the same statistics and follow the same path. The only difference is the hits. I agree with the hard to measure seconds, but the same philosophy will hit regardless of the data file, and yes they also should not do a re-test if a certain number comes up, so that gives you the player perhaps an advantage in seeing the string hit.

                        And true MoneyMike $

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                          Answer honestly, how long would the casinos stay open, or even open their doors from day one If they all announced they will start implementing the same rules as the lotteries, like the pre tests?

                          Those tests would slow down the atmosphere of the casino from a fast paced gambling environment (can make hundreds in seconds - minutes) to a very slow paced setting such as the lottery. This is the main difference between the casino and the lottery I've always thought. So if the question is would they stay open? I'll go with no, okay. Just because many casino players may not be a fan of the new procedures and the change of gambling setting. Pre-tests would annoy the hell out of me at a roulette table but that's because that would be the opposite of what I'd be used to playing.

                          You make a great point. I just feel that if you put aside the emotional/atmospheric component, logic dictates a sane person would say NO. lol

                          I asked a simple question. Atmosphere or no atmosphere. Would the Casino's doors be open the next day?

                          Sure you said NO, you wouldn't visit them, and thank you for actually answering, what a relief..lol

                          But,  I sense a feeling of caution coming from you, so whatever..lol

                          It's all good !

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                            Any time a human is involved in anything, randomness is gone. Turn the machine on let the balls fall where they may, that's Random. Then you can say, " every combination has a chance". How often do you think the most played number wins? How often does a QP win in the 3/4 games? When you play with the machine before the official draw, things change.

                            You're missing the obvious; each lottery defines their random. Some are live ball drawings and some are RNG.

                            "Turn the machine on let the balls fall where they may, that's Random. Then you can say, " every combination has a chance".

                            That's what every ball drawing I saw does.

                            "How often do you think the most played number wins? etc."

                            Either each of the 1000 three digit combos has an equal chance of being drawn or they don't. Having an equal chance in every drawing mean the combo drawn in the previous drawing has the same chance in the next drawing and every drawing after. Because of that over time some combos will be drawn more than others. It's cause and effect in live ball drawings using three sets of ten number balls where each digit has a 1 in 10 chance of being drawn in each digit position.

                            "How often does a QP win in the 3/4 games?

                            QPs have the same chance as self picks. If you don't think every three digit combo (especially yours) has no chance of winning, why are playing?

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                              You're missing the obvious; each lottery defines their random. Some are live ball drawings and some are RNG.

                              "Turn the machine on let the balls fall where they may, that's Random. Then you can say, " every combination has a chance".

                              That's what every ball drawing I saw does.

                              "How often do you think the most played number wins? etc."

                              Either each of the 1000 three digit combos has an equal chance of being drawn or they don't. Having an equal chance in every drawing mean the combo drawn in the previous drawing has the same chance in the next drawing and every drawing after. Because of that over time some combos will be drawn more than others. It's cause and effect in live ball drawings using three sets of ten number balls where each digit has a 1 in 10 chance of being drawn in each digit position.

                              "How often does a QP win in the 3/4 games?

                              QPs have the same chance as self picks. If you don't think every three digit combo (especially yours) has no chance of winning, why are playing?

                              You're missing the obvious; each lottery defines their random. Some are live ball drawings and some are RNG.

                              No, you're missing the obvious. If you've forgotten what Benjamin Franklin proclaimed by encouraging the act of questioning authority, then you need to do your homework. 

                              I'm officially starting a petition. Let's stop the madness !

                                 
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