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Do you believe every combination has the same probability?

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amber123's avatar - OpIFNim
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Posted: September 24, 2016, 2:26 pm - IP Logged

"I apologize if you think it's an insult."

Wow, than you must be too stupid to understand what an insult is.

"Didn't we have this discussion a few months ago?"

Yep and you're still whining over something you have no control of.

"I distinctly remember suggesting you attend psychological treatment."

Which part of "nobody pays any attention to your useless suggestions" don't you understand?

"Sorry you lack the ability to answer a probable hypothetical question."

ROFL @ "probable".

There isn't a standardize testing for live ball drawings and each state lottery use their own processes. Ask any state lottery and they will say the testing is to insure fair and random drawings.

"Your last sentence was the tipping point for me"

You keep forgetting most people here don't care what you think. I'm just trying to clear up all the confusion you're causing on "whether or not every combination has the same probability". On page 1, most members were agreeing that each of the 1000 straight combinations have an equal chance.

Instead of insults, show your proof of why every straight combinations doesn't have the same chance of winning.

If it's true, then it's not an insult. You need geniune help, so it's not an insult. Please seek help NOW!

I'm not whining, I'm setting the story straight whether I have control over it or not. And neither you or the other two clowns will change my mind.

Nobody pays attention to my useless suggestions? Really? Obviously I'm your biggest fan because you keep responding to me, so you must be paying attention, the only problem is that you're not following through with my advice. maybe If I keep reminding you, you'll see a doctor soon.

Yeah, they saw you coming a mile away, just play along with the state's little Nazi rules, just like a little obedient soldier, SUCKER!! You believe everything they tell ya huh? Maybe If they tell you that you need help, then you'll listen to them.

 

I already told you dumbass, this is the 100th time, I never said the drawing doesn't have the same combinations 1 in a 1,000, for god's sake how many times do I have to keep repeating myself. But the flow of numbers gets screwed up. 

 

Again, just like the jelly manufacturer, and coinstoop, can't address my Casino, and vault points I bring up. Keep evading my questions, it just will show the readers here what losers you are. 

All three of you are nothing but TROLLS who keep avoiding  the points I bring up. Snivelling cowards who crawl on their bellies like slithering, deceiving snakes with no backbones.

Keep the ignorance up and avoid my points, and I'll keep reminding all three of you what morons you are for not admitting how terribly wrong you are.

Bring it on, It's too easy, as long as TRUTH is on my side.

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    It's either a fact that "every combination has exactly the same chance of winning" or it's not and members are debating which is fact.

    "and probablity also has discussion in the subject of randomness. Plain and simple."

    There are many definitions of and opinions about random, but each state lottery decides what they believe is random and by purchasing tickets players agree to the state lottery terms and regulations.

    There is nothing that decides what is and what is not to be. So yes it is a fact that every combination has the same chance of winning. It's the random interaction between things that decides what is. So if this is a debate, it should have more of a point. In the end, the whole situation, the whole game itself IS RANDOM. No question about it. There is absolutely no way to deny that. The degrees of randomness especially with computer generated numbers varies greatly. That's called pseudo-random because it's created by other factors. That's my discussion, the degrees of randomness which I believe everyone is talking about, not debating about. I'm not interested in who's right. I'm interested in what players feel about the difference between probability and randomness.

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      Posted: September 24, 2016, 4:24 pm - IP Logged

      It's well understood that they're in this to profit and that's not where our problem(s) lie. The very idea that they're claiming a random process while clearly taking preventive measures which disrupt 'true randomness' is the concern for us. As another member has accurately identified, they're real goal is too minimize what they pay out and this member is correctWinkYes Nod. Even so, I still take issue with it because no matter what they do, they'll still make BUKUS in profit. They shackle down the draw process with their own system to intentionally try and counter the players' systems when they already have the advantage. Think about that. It's the whole 'in your face' thing while hiding behind random that we're calling BS on. 

      "The very idea that they're claiming a random process while clearly taking preventive measures which disrupt 'true randomness' is the concern for us"

      I come back from a week's vacation and you're still making "logical fallacies". There is no rule, regulation, or law compelling any state lottery to accept your definition or anyone else of "true randomness". And you're grossly mistaking when the lotteries' "random events" occur. The official drawings are their random events regardless of what your imagination thinks.

      "As another member has accurately identified, they're real goal is too minimize what they pay out and this member is correct."

      Another logical fallacy! Some lotteries have payout charts on the back of play slips and every lottery has that information on their website and on pamphlets at lottery retailers. Their goals should be obvious when the chances of winning are 1 in 1000 and the payout is 500 to 1. Seriously, have you purchased a Texas $1 pick-3 straight ticket believing the winnings would be more or less than advertise?

      "They shackle down the draw process with their own system to intentionally try and counter the players' systems when they already have the advantage."

      What system other than "their own" do you expect the Texas Lottery to use and how could they possibly know what all their players are doing to pick their numbers?

      In the Fiscal year 2016, the Texas pick-3 sales were $2,549,642,345, but didn't find the yearly payouts, but have the daily payouts.

      "It's the whole 'in your face' thing while hiding behind random that we're calling on"

      The real BSis you and others pretending you don't know it's their game and their rules. How exactly does the Texas Lottery force you and apparently other players to purchase tickets? Do they use threats, guns, knives, or make you an offer you can't refuse?

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        If it's true, then it's not an insult. You need geniune help, so it's not an insult. Please seek help NOW!

        I'm not whining, I'm setting the story straight whether I have control over it or not. And neither you or the other two clowns will change my mind.

        Nobody pays attention to my useless suggestions? Really? Obviously I'm your biggest fan because you keep responding to me, so you must be paying attention, the only problem is that you're not following through with my advice. maybe If I keep reminding you, you'll see a doctor soon.

        Yeah, they saw you coming a mile away, just play along with the state's little Nazi rules, just like a little obedient soldier, SUCKER!! You believe everything they tell ya huh? Maybe If they tell you that you need help, then you'll listen to them.

         

        I already told you dumbass, this is the 100th time, I never said the drawing doesn't have the same combinations 1 in a 1,000, for god's sake how many times do I have to keep repeating myself. But the flow of numbers gets screwed up. 

         

        Again, just like the jelly manufacturer, and coinstoop, can't address my Casino, and vault points I bring up. Keep evading my questions, it just will show the readers here what losers you are. 

        All three of you are nothing but TROLLS who keep avoiding  the points I bring up. Snivelling cowards who crawl on their bellies like slithering, deceiving snakes with no backbones.

        Keep the ignorance up and avoid my points, and I'll keep reminding all three of you what morons you are for not admitting how terribly wrong you are.

        Bring it on, It's too easy, as long as TRUTH is on my side.

        "All three of you are nothing but TROLLS who keep avoiding  the points I bring up."

        You have no real point and are only whining because you can't understand the significance of 1 chance out of 1000.

        "But the flow of numbers gets screwed up."

        And this what you call one of your points? ROFL

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          There is nothing that decides what is and what is not to be. So yes it is a fact that every combination has the same chance of winning. It's the random interaction between things that decides what is. So if this is a debate, it should have more of a point. In the end, the whole situation, the whole game itself IS RANDOM. No question about it. There is absolutely no way to deny that. The degrees of randomness especially with computer generated numbers varies greatly. That's called pseudo-random because it's created by other factors. That's my discussion, the degrees of randomness which I believe everyone is talking about, not debating about. I'm not interested in who's right. I'm interested in what players feel about the difference between probability and randomness.

          "So yes it is a fact that every combination has the same chance of winning."

          That seems to be the majority opinion based on facts though a few posters disagree.

          "In the end, the whole situation, the whole game itself IS RANDOM. No question about it. There is absolutely no way to deny that."

          A few posters believe "the flow of numbers gets screwed up" by any testing of the equipment. My guess is they are just blaming the testing because their personal systems are failures.

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            "So yes it is a fact that every combination has the same chance of winning."

            That seems to be the majority opinion based on facts though a few posters disagree.

            "In the end, the whole situation, the whole game itself IS RANDOM. No question about it. There is absolutely no way to deny that."

            A few posters believe "the flow of numbers gets screwed up" by any testing of the equipment. My guess is they are just blaming the testing because their personal systems are failures.

            Any time a human is involved in anything, randomness is gone. Turn the machine on let the balls fall where they may, that's Random. Then you can say, " every combination has a chance". How often do you think the most played number wins? How often does a QP win in the 3/4 games? When you play with the machine before the official draw, things change.

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              Any time a human is involved in anything, randomness is gone. Turn the machine on let the balls fall where they may, that's Random. Then you can say, " every combination has a chance". How often do you think the most played number wins? How often does a QP win in the 3/4 games? When you play with the machine before the official draw, things change.

              Thank you, CARBOB. You and I may have our differences but, this certainly isn't one of themLOL. I'm still unable to process how some of these folks are failing to see how tampering with the balls affects things which are unseen yet expected. The balls are numbered and are naturally obligated to do certain things based on their current positioning from one 'clean draw' to the next...no tests involved. When this is disrupted, it throws off any reasonable possibility for even a basic system to work. Granted, there is one thing fairly consistent due to the madness they're toying around with and it's that one number from the last so-called official draw will show up. Listen, I've spoken with several top notch mathematicians and after showing them tallies of what's going on with the 'random draws', all they could do was Green laugh and say, "Good luck with that!!" 

              Small games, frequent wins, and regular payouts 'cause.....

              There are seven days in the week...'Someday' isn't one of them.

              #lotto-4-a-living

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                I spoke with the draw manager and she asked me what I needed. I told her , the people of Florida need for the Florida Lottery to quit ripping the players off. Your official draws are not random using pre-tests and that is the only reason you do them. You hide the pre-tests numbers from the public. The majority of the public are not aware of the pre-tests. I got no response from her.

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                  Posted: September 24, 2016, 6:56 pm - IP Logged

                  Texas Lotto Pick3 Pre-Test: 9/19 Test #1 result 658

                  Texas Lotto Pick 3 Official Draw: 9/21 (E) 685

                  It doesn't seem like they're doing anything to interfere with the game to me. Like I said before they're not tampering with anything. They're just conducting business the way they feel proper. And a lot of players agree. LotteryBraker had it right, it just interferes with the timing, so that they (the Lottery) can't get taken advantage of by flaws or weaknesses that may occur, which would in essence destroy the principle of the game itself. Play the game the way it should be played.

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                    I spoke with the draw manager and she asked me what I needed. I told her , the people of Florida need for the Florida Lottery to quit ripping the players off. Your official draws are not random using pre-tests and that is the only reason you do them. You hide the pre-tests numbers from the public. The majority of the public are not aware of the pre-tests. I got no response from her.

                    Random means not predictable.

                    If you think the pre-draws make the official draw less predictable, that means it's closer to true random. That's what the lotteries want, right? So good luck with getting them to change anything based on that line of reasoning.

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                      Soledad, I'll be back later to chat with you about your post.

                      Small games, frequent wins, and regular payouts 'cause.....

                      There are seven days in the week...'Someday' isn't one of them.

                      #lotto-4-a-living

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                        "All three of you are nothing but TROLLS who keep avoiding  the points I bring up."

                        You have no real point and are only whining because you can't understand the significance of 1 chance out of 1000.

                        "But the flow of numbers gets screwed up."

                        And this what you call one of your points? ROFL

                        I've made my points a hundred times, but you're too stupid to get it. You never will.

                        Yes, it is one of my points, the flow of the numbers get all screwed up, and there's a good chance someone's winning number/s could be in the pre test. There are some others, but you're not worth it to repeat. I know it's hard for you to understand it considering you are mentally challenged, but I will keep telling you this until you see he light. Unfortunately, I believe it's futile on my part because your mind is already made up.

                        Again, eluding my two points about the Casino, and the vault, good job !...Keep avoiding these two points, I will keep reminding you and everyone else reading this what a spineless coward you are. You're too afraid to even approach my two points because If you ever did, I'd rip your arguments up into shreds. 

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                          "So yes it is a fact that every combination has the same chance of winning."

                          That seems to be the majority opinion based on facts though a few posters disagree.

                          "In the end, the whole situation, the whole game itself IS RANDOM. No question about it. There is absolutely no way to deny that."

                          A few posters believe "the flow of numbers gets screwed up" by any testing of the equipment. My guess is they are just blaming the testing because their personal systems are failures.

                          My guess is they are just blaming the testing because their personal systems are failures.

                          How Ironic, you're answering some of my questions and you don' even realize it. You're dumber than I thought. It's not that our systems are failures, it's that they don't work as effectively because of all the pretests. I don't expect you to understand this, but I have to lay it out on the line for you anyways. 

                          Keep sticking your foot in your mouth, it's fun watching you un-jam it out.

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                            Posted: September 24, 2016, 9:50 pm - IP Logged

                            I spoke with the draw manager and she asked me what I needed. I told her , the people of Florida need for the Florida Lottery to quit ripping the players off. Your official draws are not random using pre-tests and that is the only reason you do them. You hide the pre-tests numbers from the public. The majority of the public are not aware of the pre-tests. I got no response from her.

                            She must be Stuck47's wife. She has to be, no Human can be this stupid, it just can't happen !!!!

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                              Every combination does not have the same probability.....

                              IL Pick 4 Top combinations from 01/01/11 thru 01//19/16  With 18 hits each is 2 7 8 9 & 0 4 6 8

                               

                              2013-05-21M2789
                              2011-05-08E2798
                              2014-12-04E2879
                              2011-11-07M2897
                              2014-10-15M2897
                              2011-05-27E2978
                              2013-05-20M2978
                              2012-02-06E2987
                              2016-08-07E7289
                              2013-11-29E7829
                              2011-02-06E7982
                              2016-01-23E8279
                              2014-04-08E8297
                              2013-04-28M8927
                              2011-10-13E9278
                              2012-06-15E9278
                              2015-06-22M9278
                              2014-07-04M9728
                                         
                              2013-02-19E0468
                              2014-12-17M0648
                              2012-01-31M0864
                              2012-11-16M0864
                              2015-06-06E0864
                              2013-10-13M4086
                              2015-07-29M4086
                              2014-11-03M4608
                              2011-02-24E4680
                              2015-04-26E4806
                              2011-09-08M4860
                              2015-11-16M4860
                              2015-01-04M6048
                              2013-03-23E6480
                              2014-06-05M6480
                              2016-04-07M6840
                              2015-10-11M8406
                              2011-05-08M8604

                              From 01/17/98 thru 09/19/16, the IL LOTTO has had 2,548 drawings.  Of which 36 have matched 5 of 6 twice in a total of 72 drawings.

                              12014-09-158 12 14 18 22 31
                              22015-04-188 12 18 22 31 39
                                             
                              32000-11-113 17 22 26 30 47
                              42008-09-203 20 22 26 30 47
                                             
                              52003-02-194 9 15 25 28 38
                              62010-06-264 9 15 25 38 42
                                             
                              72001-09-1226 30 34 35 46 47
                              82003-07-0918 26 30 35 46 47
                                             
                              92002-11-0626 27 28 41 47 50
                              102004-12-1526 27 28 31 41 50
                                             
                              112000-10-0410 12 15 24 47 51
                              122014-12-156 10 12 15 24 47
                                             
                              132015-06-083 6 27 29 32 50
                              142016-03-033 6 8 27 29 50
                                             
                              152007-04-1815 23 33 43 45 46
                              162015-02-213 15 23 43 45 46
                                             
                              172000-02-055 6 41 42 50 51
                              182006-09-306 35 41 42 50 51
                                             
                              192000-09-023 12 14 23 31 36
                              202011-02-283 12 14 23 30 36
                                             
                              212001-02-037 8 16 28 37 51
                              222005-09-267 8 9 16 28 37
                                             
                              232001-01-2426 36 37 40 48 49
                              242007-03-1226 36 37 39 48 49
                                             
                              252009-10-245 23 32 41 42 45
                              262015-05-025 32 35 41 42 45
                                             
                              272001-03-171 4 11 12 16 34
                              282001-04-071 4 11 16 33 34
                                             
                              292001-04-2811 13 33 34 36 48
                              302007-02-214 11 13 34 36 48
                                             
                              312002-01-161 23 25 29 33 52
                              322014-06-021 23 25 29 36 52
                                             
                              332006-05-244 5 21 25 28 49
                              342006-07-224 5 13 21 25 49
                                             
                              352005-08-2423 27 33 35 41 43
                              362010-08-1118 23 33 35 41 43
                                             
                              372006-09-068 12 24 31 39 50
                              382013-10-218 12 24 30 39 50
                                             
                              392010-05-298 13 23 34 44 51
                              402011-06-048 13 28 34 44 51
                                             
                              412005-02-127 9 18 32 40 43
                              422007-05-097 9 32 40 43 47
                                             
                              432005-05-042 17 18 20 38 50
                              442010-12-012 15 17 18 20 38
                                             
                              452011-04-304 28 38 45 47 52
                              462013-08-264 28 30 38 45 52
                                             
                              472010-01-182 7 9 27 45 52
                              482013-04-242 7 27 36 45 52
                                             
                              492009-07-184 14 28 37 40 44
                              502011-10-264 14 28 37 40 48
                                             
                              511999-02-131 7 19 29 30 39
                              522010-04-241 5 7 19 29 30
                                             
                              531998-04-2915 22 26 27 31 40
                              542010-07-1922 26 27 31 40 48
                                             
                              552008-05-211 12 14 19 26 45
                              562015-04-091 12 14 19 24 26
                                             
                              572006-11-183 8 22 24 39 45
                              582012-04-183 8 22 24 26 39
                                             
                              592011-07-1111 31 33 40 44 45
                              602012-11-0311 25 31 40 44 45
                                             
                              612003-01-017 22 30 38 40 51
                              622013-03-163 7 22 30 40 51
                                             
                              632000-02-0219 20 29 40 49 51
                              642015-02-054 19 20 40 49 51
                                             
                              652010-08-1616 19 25 29 31 42
                              662014-12-276 16 19 25 31 42
                                             
                              672004-06-264 7 12 19 45 48
                              682015-07-117 12 19 38 45 48
                                             
                              692001-11-218 14 26 39 40 43
                              702002-12-047 8 26 39 40 43
                                             
                              711999-05-0510 11 15 36 38 45
                              722016-01-1111 15 26 36 38 45

                              I Agree!

                              Good Luck!

                                 
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