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Would you go to a Casino If they implemented the same rules as the lotteries do?

It's a yes or no question. It's really not that hard of a question. If you have to think about that question, then you must have some doubts. If it's a clear cut answer, then go ahead and answer yes or no. You and the others don't have a problem if I ask the same question with lotteries, so why the hesitation?

 

Watch this people..........Are you okay with lotteries and their pre tests? ...Let's see how fast the answer is YES !

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"Would you go to a Casino If they implemented the same rules as the lotteries do?"

When are you finally going to understand that casinos DO NOT "implement the same rules as lotteries"?

"It's a yes or no question."

That question is as dumb as asking if people would go to eat at a restaurant than doesn't serve food. But you'll keep asking it and keep on saying anyone not agreeing with you is stupid.

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    "Would you go to a Casino If they implemented the same rules as the lotteries do?"

    When are you finally going to understand that casinos DO NOT "implement the same rules as lotteries"?

    "It's a yes or no question."

    That question is as dumb as asking if people would go to eat at a restaurant than doesn't serve food. But you'll keep asking it and keep on saying anyone not agreeing with you is stupid.

    When are you finally going to understand that casinos DO NOT "implement the same rules as lotteries"?

    I know this, but i asked IF they did, would you patronize them? It's a very simple yes or no question.

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      "Would you go to a Casino If they implemented the same rules as the lotteries do?"

      When are you finally going to understand that casinos DO NOT "implement the same rules as lotteries"?

      "It's a yes or no question."

      That question is as dumb as asking if people would go to eat at a restaurant than doesn't serve food. But you'll keep asking it and keep on saying anyone not agreeing with you is stupid.

      That question is as dumb as asking if people would go to eat at a restaurant than doesn't serve food. But you'll keep asking it and keep on saying anyone not agreeing with you is stupid.

      This reminds me when Archie Bunker says...."How stupid some women can be, even though their spouse can be mean, she stays anyways ". Then Edith looks right at Archie and says..."I Know" and smiles....lol

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        LL you're missing the point first of all the 658 came out. The pretest draw did not prevent it from coming out. And thanks for adding another example with the 277. I didn't need to look at the date I was just talking about the numbers being the same in a very recent time period, 3 sounds recent to me. So that's 2 that came out in avery recent time period but i was only counting one,.I only checked the website once and I think it showed 4 testdraws. So 1 +3 is four according to me. I was not following those numbers for any other reason, so please. Each number is independent by its own randomness. Ok so how do they affect the results? I'll listen but it won't really matter. It will have no affect on me.

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          When are you finally going to understand that casinos DO NOT "implement the same rules as lotteries"?

          I know this, but i asked IF they did, would you patronize them? It's a very simple yes or no question.

          And I asked would you go to eat at a restaurant that doesn't serve food. It's a very simple yes or no question too.

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            And I asked would you go to eat at a restaurant that doesn't serve food. It's a very simple yes or no question too.

            That's fair. Since I asked the question first, you answer, then after I get your answer, I'll answer yours. Deal?

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              I'll agree that it's a good thing to inform people of the pre-tests. I wasn't aware of them before joining LP.

               

              But, over and over and over and over again is annoying. I guess it is your right to be annoying if that's what you really want. 

               

              I hope the thread continues on the main track, the nature of randomness is highly interesting.

              The problem with the Texas Lottery is the recording and publishing of the test results. They could test the machines using blank ball sets and test the ball sets with other machines.

              "I hope the thread continues on the main track, the nature of randomness is highly interesting."

              It's like with the South Carolina woman who "off and on", wagered $70 on a pick-4 combo and won $304,000; she made her bet at the right time. A test drawing neither prevented her from winning or made her a winner.

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                LuckyLoser or not. You and I don't view numbers in the same way. We're you right? Yes, in your system. So what's the problem you're gonna throw your system out the window because you didn't cash a winning ticket. You were still right. What's to stop you from being right again. I mean honestly.

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                  LL you're missing the point first of all the 658 came out. The pretest draw did not prevent it from coming out. And thanks for adding another example with the 277. I didn't need to look at the date I was just talking about the numbers being the same in a very recent time period, 3 sounds recent to me. So that's 2 that came out in avery recent time period but i was only counting one,.I only checked the website once and I think it showed 4 testdraws. So 1 +3 is four according to me. I was not following those numbers for any other reason, so please. Each number is independent by its own randomness. Ok so how do they affect the results? I'll listen but it won't really matter. It will have no affect on me.

                  LL you're missing the point first of all the 658 came out.

                  No No No, Sole-brutha, you're missing your own point. Again, you based your argument solely around a number combo which originated in the first pre-test preceding 9/19 day official results. Right?( Yes Nod ) Before that, you vehemently discounted the idea of pre-tests affecting the official results in any way, shape, or form because all combos have the same probability. Right? (Yes Nod) You then completely miscounted the total number of pre-draws associated around everything that was actually taking place because you so desperately wanted to show your friends how to handle me. Right?( Yes Nod)

                  In doing all this, you never even suspected or realizedNo Nod that you were completely defeating your whole and entire purposeBang Head, because, your argument actually VALIDATED MY WHOLE THEORY ALONG WITH OVERWHELMING PROOF...THE PRE-TESTSYes Nod. I said from the beginning that players shouldn't discount the pre-tests because the commissions are laundering the numbers and the pre-tests contain winning combos...then I proved itSmash. Soledad, once again, the FACT that your (658) choice began in a pre-test and ended up a winning boxed, straight, and/or paired combo in the official draw a couple of days later speaks for itself. 

                   

                  Ok so how do they affect the results? I'll listen but it won't really matter. It will have no affect on me.

                  Green laughThen why do you even ask?Dupe Alert  Please, just Stop and do some diligence, okay. FWIW, I'm not your enemy...I'm on your side. As a player, you need everything you can possibly get to your advantage because the state is surely gonna use their's. The pre-tests are a tool and they're gonna use 'em. For you to not use something that they use is counterproductive, don't you think? Idea

                  Small games, frequent wins, and regular payouts 'cause.....

                  There are seven days in the week...'Someday' isn't one of them.

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                    That's fair. Since I asked the question first, you answer, then after I get your answer, I'll answer yours. Deal?

                    I don't like playing card games at casinos that change decks ever hour and have to sit there and watch the dealer take their time. The dice are checked before they are put into play and are looked at when the shooter rolls them off the table. The don't test the dice by throwing them a few times with players at the table. They don't test Roulette wheels or the pills while the table is open.

                    That being said, people go to casinos to gamble so your imaginary casino would probably be empty. The thing is if the casino opens at 7:29 PM rain or shine after all their testing is done, the games were played exactly like the games in every other casino, there is no reason to boycott.

                    IMO the real problem and I'm assuming your complaint is the recording and publishing test drawing results especially after the official drawing.

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                      I don't like playing card games at casinos that change decks ever hour and have to sit there and watch the dealer take their time. The dice are checked before they are put into play and are looked at when the shooter rolls them off the table. The don't test the dice by throwing them a few times with players at the table. They don't test Roulette wheels or the pills while the table is open.

                      That being said, people go to casinos to gamble so your imaginary casino would probably be empty. The thing is if the casino opens at 7:29 PM rain or shine after all their testing is done, the games were played exactly like the games in every other casino, there is no reason to boycott.

                      IMO the real problem and I'm assuming your complaint is the recording and publishing test drawing results especially after the official drawing.

                      I don't like playing card games at casinos that change decks ever hour

                      The dice are checked before they are put into play and are looked at when the shooter rolls them off the table

                      The don't test the dice by throwing them a few times with players at the table. They don't test Roulette wheels or the pills while the table is open.

                       

                      Yes, yes, and yesYes Nod. In the end, it's all numbers games and gambling but, the casinos don't go to such extreme measures to see what numbers are going to winNo Nod. They check things in advance and let what ever happens just happen. You say you don't like playing card games at casinos that change decks every hour? Well, in the casinos' honest defense, they have to be mindful of players possibly 'marking the cards' in some specific way, okay...they get to touch the cards over and over and over. When players get their hands on those cards, it's not hard for them to possibly recognize what someone else has or doesn't have. With that said, no one is touching those ping-pong balls and neither are they wearing out as they claim. If the machines are prematurely becoming all 'janky', it's directly due to those bogus pre-testsYes Nod

                      so your imaginary casino would probably be empty.

                      It's all gambling around numbers and probability. The fact that billion dollar casino industries don't feel the need to implement such measures should raise some eyebrows...seriously. You'll never make anyone believe that if you bet $100 on an Even number in the RED in the second set of numbers on the Roulette wheel, and you hit on the first spin but, they say it's a 'pre-spin' that you wouldn't be SEVERELY ArgueMadCussing FaceP***ed

                      Forget about it.

                      Small games, frequent wins, and regular payouts 'cause.....

                      There are seven days in the week...'Someday' isn't one of them.

                      #lotto-4-a-living

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                        HI
                        I'm known in this thread as 'clueless' because I tend to disagree with a lot that's being said.

                        "Suppose to show up"

                        How in the world can anyone know what is suppose to show up??
                        If we knew that we would all be rich.

                        For the life of me, I just don't understand how people can think that the drawing machine is self-aware and knows which integers have
                        come out of the escape gate(s); knows which integer has been out the longest; can know and add the numerals printed on the balls; knows what a double is and which ones have escaped; knows the difference between odd and even integers; knows which of the 1,000 triads have exited the gates; understands what a VTRAC is and can compensate to ensure that the one that is suppose to show up actually does; can remember which balls were in the last permutation, whether it be a pre-test or the official winning integers, etc.

                        I Agree!

                        ""Suppose to show up" How in the world can anyone know what is suppose to show up?? "

                        When ten numbered balls 0 through 9 are placed into a container and mixed, one of them better show up. And the same thing better happen in the other two or three containers. And apparently tests are conducted before the drawings to ensure that happens.

                        If any Pick 3 ball is drawn four times in the same chamber, a fifth pre-test is performed. If any Pick 3 ball that was drawn four times in the same chamber is drawn a fifth time in the same chamber, then the ball set – in that chamber only – will not pass the pre-tests.

                        There are three different machines with three different ball sets, but if someone played 320 or 820 in the pick-3 night drawing, I can understand why they are upset when they see X20 was drawn three times during the test. IMO that didn't prevent either combo from being drawn, but for what it's worth, does have a physiological effect.

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                          amber123,

                          Educate yourself;

                          http://gaming.nv.gov/modules/showdocument.aspx?documentid=291

                          Be sure to read all 15 pages.

                          Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                          Lep

                          There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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                            I don't like playing card games at casinos that change decks ever hour

                            The dice are checked before they are put into play and are looked at when the shooter rolls them off the table

                            The don't test the dice by throwing them a few times with players at the table. They don't test Roulette wheels or the pills while the table is open.

                             

                            Yes, yes, and yesYes Nod. In the end, it's all numbers games and gambling but, the casinos don't go to such extreme measures to see what numbers are going to winNo Nod. They check things in advance and let what ever happens just happen. You say you don't like playing card games at casinos that change decks every hour? Well, in the casinos' honest defense, they have to be mindful of players possibly 'marking the cards' in some specific way, okay...they get to touch the cards over and over and over. When players get their hands on those cards, it's not hard for them to possibly recognize what someone else has or doesn't have. With that said, no one is touching those ping-pong balls and neither are they wearing out as they claim. If the machines are prematurely becoming all 'janky', it's directly due to those bogus pre-testsYes Nod

                            so your imaginary casino would probably be empty.

                            It's all gambling around numbers and probability. The fact that billion dollar casino industries don't feel the need to implement such measures should raise some eyebrows...seriously. You'll never make anyone believe that if you bet $100 on an Even number in the RED in the second set of numbers on the Roulette wheel, and you hit on the first spin but, they say it's a 'pre-spin' that you wouldn't be SEVERELY ArgueMadCussing FaceP***ed

                            Forget about it.

                            "The fact that billion dollar casino industries don't feel the need to implement such measures should raise some eyebrows...seriously."

                            Yet another logical fallacy!

                            The Texas Lottery has four daily pick-3 drawings with four outcomes and you're making it sound like casinos offer the same games, use the same process to determine a result, but don't test their equipment. There are thousands of websites explaining how casinos games are played and how outcomes are determined. Hopefully you'll figure out casino don't wait until "10:00 a.m., 12:27 p.m., 6:00 p.m. and 10:12 p.m. CT, six days a week" to get the results of a roll of the dice, the spin of a roulette wheel, or a hand of Blackjack.

                            "You'll never make anyone believe that if you bet $100 on an Even number in the RED in the second set of numbers on the Roulette wheel, and you hit on the first spin but, they say it's a 'pre-spin' that you wouldn't be SEVERELY"

                            Which part of a casino will never test equipment after bets are made is confusing you?

                            Do you have any real comparison or will you continue with imaginary debates?

                            If you're saying how the Texas Lottery conducts tests has a physiological effect on you, I understand, but if you believe the test effect the official draw, why are you still playing..............seriously? And why use logical fallacies that prove nothing?

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                              I Agree!

                              ""Suppose to show up" How in the world can anyone know what is suppose to show up?? "

                              When ten numbered balls 0 through 9 are placed into a container and mixed, one of them better show up. And the same thing better happen in the other two or three containers. And apparently tests are conducted before the drawings to ensure that happens.

                              If any Pick 3 ball is drawn four times in the same chamber, a fifth pre-test is performed. If any Pick 3 ball that was drawn four times in the same chamber is drawn a fifth time in the same chamber, then the ball set – in that chamber only – will not pass the pre-tests.

                              There are three different machines with three different ball sets, but if someone played 320 or 820 in the pick-3 night drawing, I can understand why they are upset when they see X20 was drawn three times during the test. IMO that didn't prevent either combo from being drawn, but for what it's worth, does have a physiological effect.

                              When ten numbered balls 0 through 9 are placed into a container and mixed, one of them better show up. And the same thing better happen in the other two or three containers. And apparently tests are conducted before the drawings to ensure that happens.

                              Green laughOf course one of them is gonna show up!  The problem is that they're MANIPULATING the possibilities of which one's show up to form the corresponding winning combo. This is just too funny! 

                              If any Pick 3 ball is drawn four times in the same chamber, a fifth pre-test is performed. If any Pick 3 ball that was drawn four times in the same chamber is drawn a fifth time in the same chamber, then the ball set – in that chamber only – will not pass the pre-tests.

                              Green laughYes!!!! For myself, grwurston, amber123, and many others, the $1 million dollar question is WHY What?No NodBS??? The same ball has been drawn (4) consecutive times in a row in all three positions during multiple official draws across many states but, THEY DIDN'T CONDUCT ANOTHER OFFICIAL DRAW TO VERIFY THAT BALL SETNo Nod

                              if someone played 320 or 820 in the pick-3 night drawing, I can understand why they are upset when they see X20 was drawn three times during the test. IMO that didn't prevent either combo from being drawn, but for what it's worth, does have a physiological effect.

                               

                              So, what DID prevent that same X20 combo from showing up again as the official winning combo after having been drawn (3) times already in the tests? I mean, IT DOES STILL HAVE THE SAME PROBABILITY, RIGHT? Just didn't work out, huh? We need to know, StackHyper! No, it's not a physiological effectNo No. It's a psychological affect...pertaining to the thought process and perception regarding to what the he11 just happened to my money-paying rear pairsCussing Face!

                              Stack, I have a few gusts of wind that I'd really like to sell you Sad Cheers

                              Small games, frequent wins, and regular payouts 'cause.....

                              There are seven days in the week...'Someday' isn't one of them.

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