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Blind Mellon Chitlan:

I have a mediator, Jesus Christ. He mediates for me.

Job 33:23
“If there is a messenger for him,A mediator, one among a thousand, To show man His uprightness,
Job 33:22-24 (in Context) Job 33 (Whole Chapter)

Galatians 3:19
[ Purpose of the Law ] What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator.
Galatians 3:18-20 (in Context) Galatians 3 (Whole Chapter)                                                                      THE promised seed!

Galatians 3:20
Now a mediator does not mediate for one only, but God is one.
Galatians 3:19-21 (in Context) Galatians 3 (Whole Chapter)

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus,
1 Timothy 2:4-6 (in Context) 1 Timothy 2 (Whole Chapter)

Hebrews 8 (New King James Version)

Hebrews 8

The New Priestly Service

  1 Now this is the main point of the things we are saying: We have such a High Priest, who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens, 2 a Minister of the sanctuary and of the true tabernacle which the Lord erected, and not man.
3 For every high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices. Therefore it is necessary that this One also have something to offer. 4 For if He were on earth, He would not be a priest, since there are priests who offer the gifts according to the law; 5 who serve the copy and shadow of the heavenly things, as Moses was divinely instructed when he was about to make the tabernacle. For He said, “See that you make all things according to the pattern shown you on the mountain.”[a]6But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as he is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.

 

Hebrews 9:15
And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.
Hebrews 9:14-16 (in Context) Hebrews 9 (Whole Chapter)

Hebrews 12:24
to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.
Hebrews 12:23-25 (in Context) Hebrews 12 (Whole Chapter)

If you make Jesus Christ GOD, then you have no mediator. No answers to prayer.

The NO you teach! In that fact you are right. You get NO because you do not KNOW. You got your God wrong.

Jesus Christ is NOT God!

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    All these years and just finding out Jesus Christ is not God..No wonder tiggs lotto prayers haven't been answered..Will back to the drawing board..Dear whoever you are show tiggs the numbers!!!..

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      All these years and just finding out Jesus Christ is not God..No wonder tiggs lotto prayers haven't been answered..Will back to the drawing board..Dear whoever you are show tiggs the numbers!!!..

      PS to this...John Scheinder who was on Huckabee said he spent a year with Johnny and June Cash and he said they introduced him to "Christ"..You said Christ wasen't God so who was John introduced to?..Also they have this guy on TV named Mike Murdock who says day in and day out if you send him a seed of 1,000.00 God will let go of his harvest and make you rich..Sounds like a racket to tiggs..Al Capone would be proud..Not trying to be smart but when it comes to religion who do you believe!!...


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        "?..Also they have this guy on TV named Mike Murdock who says day in and day out if you send him a seed of 1,000.00 God will let go of his harvest and

         make you rich..Sounds like a racket to tiggs..Al Capone would be proud..Not trying to be smart but when it comes to religion who do you believe!!..."

        Tiggsmiester

         

         

        Tiggster, I would ask the Murdock stooge to document why what he says works first. If what he says does not line up with the book then it is a lie. If fact, there is nothing biblical to  Substantiate such nonsense used to fleece the stupid.

        God gets the bad press because He does not back that BS when people follow it.

        Believe what is written, and shunn the words of men who abuse scripture like Visiondud. He is as equally as wrong as MM.

        "You said Christ wasen't God so who was John introduced to?..  I don't know but if the guy thinks or teaches J.C. is God then the confusion is not God's problem. 

        Access to God is through the mediator. It does not hurt to know Christ, in fact the more you know about him the better off you are.

         

        DD


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          I hear that train a coming, It’s roll’n round the bend, I got my ticket ready, it’s gonna be the end!

          You suckers are a whinin’n,…. because you really lost.

          The tickets that your holding,

          Were never worth the cost.

          DD


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            "I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord."

            http://orderofcenturions.org/cash_johnny.html

             

            Through the mediator, the man Christ Jesus, who is made lord in you life by confession . This is the key. There is NO other Way to access GOD.

            Romans 5:15
            But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
            Romans 5:14-16 (in Context) Romans 5 (Whole Chapter)

            1 Timothy 2:5
            For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
            1 Timothy 2:4-6 (in Context) 1 Timothy 2 (Whole Chapter)

            Romans 10:8-10 (King James Version)

             8But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

             9That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

             10For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

             

             Lord, NOT GOD. A big difference. When you have confessed and believed, you have Sonship. Then you have the power of attorney to use Christ's name. Christ is the head of the body and the the head of Christ is GOD. ( No,... Jesus does not have a birth defect and two heads, neither do I).







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              "I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord."

              http://orderofcenturions.org/cash_johnny.html

               

              Through the mediator, the man Christ Jesus, who is made lord in you life by confession . This is the key. There is NO other Way to access GOD.

              Romans 5:15
              But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
              Romans 5:14-16 (in Context) Romans 5 (Whole Chapter)

              1 Timothy 2:5
              For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
              1 Timothy 2:4-6 (in Context) 1 Timothy 2 (Whole Chapter)

              Romans 10:8-10 (King James Version)

               8But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

               9That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

               10For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

               

               Lord, NOT GOD. A big difference. When you have confessed and believed, you have Sonship. Then you have the power of attorney to use Christ's name. Christ is the head of the body and the the head of Christ is GOD. ( No,... Jesus does not have a birth defect and two heads, neither do I).







              DD

              Delta Draw...I have been reading your dialogue back and fort with Vision...I am also working out my salvation with fear and trembling...and I need to make sure I understand what you are saying!  

              I am not just a reader of the Bible,  I actually study it,  and try to scrutinize every word...here is my question and  where I need you to clarify Understanding.....In 

              Isaiah 48:11For my Own sake, For my Own sake I will act for how can my Name be profane and MY GLORY I WILL NOT GIVE TO ANOTHER!!!     Compare with      

                Psalms 2:12Kiss The Son lest HE be Angry and you be destroyed in "your way" for HIS wrath can flare in a moment, Blessed are all who take refuge in HIM Since you say that YESHUA HAMESSIAH is not GOD then is GOD sharing HIS glory with him?

              for I also read In Revelation 6:16  And they said to the mountains fall on us and hide us from the presence  of HIM who sits on the throne and from the great day of "Their" Wrath is come and who shall be able to stand     

               


              forget what "they" say about youWhat you say about you?...

              Now, does it count??

               

               

              *Jr$ina


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                Bless You. Good question.

                Isaiah 48:11

                Do you know WHO God is talking to? Look at verse 1. Jacob is the natural seed and Israel the spiritual. The context is the key here. Who is God saying He does NOT give His Glory to "another" in verse 11? Who do you think the ‘another’ is?

                 

                In Verse 5 God, the Author sez, Lest thou shouldest say, Mine idol hath done them, and my graven image, and my molten image, hath commanded them.' " Notice the quotations there in print. The punctuation is correct. God is Quoting. 

                Verse 3: Do you understand who “I” is?

                Verse 5: There is the same “I”, who is GOD telling them you cannot take credit for what “I” do. Nor your (dumb) IDOLS can take the credit ( what is wrong with you “obstinate” {Verse 4} hard-hearted and stiff-necked fools)!

                Verse11: There is the “I” again and He takes the credit and will not share that credit (HIS GLORY, HIS Thunder, His acts) with “another” as in “another god”. The context is worship of other gods and attributing the Glory of the true God to them. God says His name is “polluted” in Verse 11, when other gods get the GLORY that is stolen from HIM. Lucifer has been redirecting the GLORY of the True GOD because it is in his nature, to steal.

                 

                Psalm 2.

                Verse 6 is the point in time (future) when Christ is LORD of LORDS and KING of KINGS. Christ will execute the wrath of God in a future day. When Christ is LORD of LORD and KING of KINGS, he will have dominion by his presence: the dominion now is in the hands of Lucifer. The words “put their trust in him” means ‘to flee for refuge’. A big DUH- MAN! Choose wisely!

                 At that point in time when verse 6 is a reality, every knee will bow in recognition to the Lord of Lords and King of Kings with respect to his dominion and his SONSHIP RIGHT as IT IS WRITTEN. This does not make him God. Christ's Lordship and dominion is assigned to him by GOD. God is faithful and so is HIS SON.

                God's old right-hand dude cut and run. Christ is the bright and morning star. Not a servant, but a SON who lovingly obeys his Father.

                THE SON of GOD: JESUS CHRIST

                 

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                  i thought about this dialog off and on today,  and my "thoughts" came full circle later in the afternoon when i was eating lunch at a sidewalk cafe after riding my bike along the coast of calif,  in the city of santa cruz.  now,  if anyone knows much about santa cruz,  there is a HUGE homeless population,  and "most" of them are of the hippie / new age-ish bent.   alot of them are on the fringe of being out of touch with any reality,  because their focus is to create their own reality as the day goes on.

                  that ain't reality - that's putting it off for a later date.   (and you can quote me on that !)

                  i am minding my own business (but i ALWAYS look out for a "need", because i don't live in the ME ME ME world that prosperity teaching spawns),  when this dude engages me just because i looked at him and smiled.  he wasn't mad,  he was actually cool.  the weird part is that he went off on some tanget that landed on some interplanetary who knows where.   i respect his beliefs, but he engaged me first,  so i let him ramble off into intellectual oblivion, and then i try "my turn".   with just a few questions,  nothing even approaching confrontational, i seek to "narrow" the debate to God,  and who He is.  the guy starts to go off into intellectual never-never land again,  without missing a beat, fully ensconced in his wishful "everything is love" , the guy is all about his "off into the clouds" diaTRIP (diaTRIP.  i made that up), and nothing more.  spit that stuff like he rehearsed it a thousand times,  not so much that he "believed it",  but he wanted to believe it.  you can tell when a man "wishes" what he says is true, atleast i sure can after talking to someone for a short time.  he wanted to...

                  the tie in to you, DD?   is that, although this guy probably would have stepped in front of a car for what he believed, the fact remains,  what he believed, wasn't provable in the real world.  not the "altruistic" meandering parts of his wishful thinking, the part where what he said - didn't match up with his life, or his claims.

                  what he stated had ZERO bearing in true reality, and that made me think of you, and your claims.

                  why?  because even after a bazillion posts, even you, (the purveyor of the "prosperity-me-me-me-me doctrine") can't "cash in" on that fallacy,  because in the real world,  it doesn't work.

                  you obviously have taken the prosperity doctrine out for a test drive, and even you can't make it work for yourself.

                  that's the proof DD,  no matter how many scriptures your cult has attempted to highjack, to "prove" the prosperity doctrine IS "biblically acceptable",  you are on the exact same playing field that the dude in santa cruz plays on.

                  and so is every prosperity teacher on TV.........because only the "preachers" who preach that junk realize "prosperity"

                  "fantasywishfulthinkingsomedayland"

                  i said it before, and i gave you the best stage possible, and you failed.  i asked you to show US  in real relateable/provable terms,  that would decide the complete difference between biblical reality, and what you "want" it to be.

                  i asked you to show me all the biblical characters that "prospered continually",  like your garbage teaching says they did,  and you couldn't bring us one.

                  if your prosperity doctrine was even playing on the real biblical stage,  there would have been countless examples of God "prospering His people" (at least in the definition of it that you attempt to sell).

                  the fact that there are hardly any (in the way you describe),  indicates you are either deceived, a liar, or you need the digits of the guy i hung with today.

                  jrosina cited examples of how most of Gods people actually went down roads experiencing the OPPOSITE of the "prosperity gospel" (with no undoing of thier own, disobedience wise),  and you skipped right past it.

                  jrosina cited examples.

                  i cited examples that if anybody was going to flesh out that teaching,  it would have been the disciples, and i cited how they were murdered, etc.    no health - no wealth

                  you spit out gobs of pre-recorded scripture based on key words. BIG WHOOP.   your theoloJUNK isn't any better than any other cult that denies the Deity of Christ.

                  the true test of scripture is fleshed out over time in the real world,  and yours is nothing more than wishful thinking.

                  your ego might actually implode, who knows,  but that doesn't detour me for going for the finish line on what you are selling, and it plays out like this.....

                  it hasn't ever worked for the many biblical characters throughout Gods recorded word history (you watching, joker?) on any continual basis,  and it obviously hasn't ever worked for you.

                  that fact makes your "teaching" a wishful thinking fantasy, and nothing more

                  until it's provable over time, in real life,  you are on your own,  with ZERO "satellite reception".

                  prove it worked in real peoples lives throughout the entirety of Gods word, and in your life (unless you suffer from "unbelief"),  otherwise i will be more than happy to paypal you a one way bus ticket,  so you can hang out with like-minded people in santa cruz calif.

                  they smoke weed there too ............LOTS OF IT (you referenced cheech and chong.  not me)

                  this teaching is actually a cancer on the church,  because it sells false hope, and it ends up blaiming God.

                  you reside in fantasyland as your "reality" DD,  so go ahead and pump out pages of propaganda.  no one cares after tonights expose on how things really work -  except the people who cannot master their common sense and emotions,  and base thier true faith in fantasy, instead of Gods reality - the way God truly works over time.

                  (1) it didn't happen to biblical characters,  and if it were true, it would have, especially to the disciples.  it didn't

                  (2) it didn't happen to you, and given your confession level of faith in it, if it worked, it would have.  it didn't

                  (3)  don't attempt to sell anything in the name of God,  that isn't provable in real life (because you will pay dearly for it).

                  (4) the difference between the DD's and the joker's of the world,  vs guys like me,  is real life proof.   proof that has existed throughout history over time,  and not some "wishful thinking" - what i really want reality to look like

                   

                  you are one notch above lottery sytems players who state they would sell you a "guaranteed" return.   that isn't a compliment

                              "i am .........."meant to"       

                  P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

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                    Bless You. Good question.

                    Isaiah 48:11

                    Do you know WHO God is talking to? Look at verse 1. Jacob is the natural seed and Israel the spiritual. The context is the key here. Who is God saying He does NOT give His Glory to "another" in verse 11? Who do you think the ‘another’ is?

                     

                    In Verse 5 God, the Author sez, Lest thou shouldest say, Mine idol hath done them, and my graven image, and my molten image, hath commanded them.' " Notice the quotations there in print. The punctuation is correct. God is Quoting. 

                    Verse 3: Do you understand who “I” is?

                    Verse 5: There is the same “I”, who is GOD telling them you cannot take credit for what “I” do. Nor your (dumb) IDOLS can take the credit ( what is wrong with you “obstinate” {Verse 4} hard-hearted and stiff-necked fools)!

                    Verse11: There is the “I” again and He takes the credit and will not share that credit (HIS GLORY, HIS Thunder, His acts) with “another” as in “another god”. The context is worship of other gods and attributing the Glory of the true God to them. God says His name is “polluted” in Verse 11, when other gods get the GLORY that is stolen from HIM. Lucifer has been redirecting the GLORY of the True GOD because it is in his nature, to steal.

                     

                    Psalm 2.

                    Verse 6 is the point in time (future) when Christ is LORD of LORDS and KING of KINGS. Christ will execute the wrath of God in a future day. When Christ is LORD of LORD and KING of KINGS, he will have dominion by his presence: the dominion now is in the hands of Lucifer. The words “put their trust in him” means ‘to flee for refuge’. A big DUH- MAN! Choose wisely!

                     At that point in time when verse 6 is a reality, every knee will bow in recognition to the Lord of Lords and King of Kings with respect to his dominion and his SONSHIP RIGHT as IT IS WRITTEN. This does not make him God. Christ's Lordship and dominion is assigned to him by GOD. God is faithful and so is HIS SON.

                    God's old right-hand dude cut and run. Christ is the bright and morning star. Not a servant, but a SON who lovingly obeys his Father.

                    THE SON of GOD: JESUS CHRIST

                     

                    DD

                    DD,  just a heads up,  when you are attempting to highjack scripture to sell it per your cults guidelines,  maybe you should proof read the text before you bust it out,  cuz you just fronted us another scratch mark in the 'Jesus is God' columne

                    "root".   the root of something ALWAYS comes before whats ever stated after the root.

                    i never realized this is but another scripture that spells out the pre-existence of Christ.

                    DD,  only if Jesus Christ is God, and is the 2nd person in the Trinity, could Christ have pre-existed and was alive before king david was born. 

                    the "root" (Jesus christ) has to live before the "offspring" (david)

                    actually,  this is what i call a "two-fer" deal......a two for one.

                    in that verse,  Jesus alludes to His devinity in His pre-existence to david (as the "root"), AND his humanity in being the actual bloodline (offspring) of david.

                    fully God.  fully man.

                     

                    Revelation 22:16 (King James Version)

                     

                     16I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

                     

                    p.s.,  i am "rooting" Hurray! for you to be honest about the text,  but since i live and make my choices in reality,  i know you will manufacture some more "prosperity truth" Evil Uhh

                    it's actually a toss up on who is better at manufacturing "reality".  that guy i met today,  or you.  (that ain't a compliment,  but it is a reality

                                "i am .........."meant to"       

                    P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

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                      Blind bump:

                      I don't have time to read your nonsense.

                      DD

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                        you read it all right,  because your wishful thinking ego would not permit you to ..........."not read it".

                        the fact that you read it,  and refused to respond to a challenge that could actually qualify your claims,  tells all anyone really needs to know about you, and the scam you attempt to sell.

                        you probably don't feel very good about yourself and your "abilities" tonight, i understand.   it's probably not often that you run into someone who has the ability to lift the veil about what it is you are trying to sell. 

                        but remember DD,  in this thread,  between you and me,  you are the one that started it with your arrogant out of the gate horn blowing.   you just ran head first into someone who actually has finish line capabilities.

                        unlucky you

                        prosperity teaching (the kind you sell).........someday wishful thinking, that hasn't worked in history on a continual mass scale given the millions of Christians in history,  vs the actual "teaching"

                        that hippie dude in santa cruz .........someday wishful thinking that isn't based in reality now,  or in the future.

                        true believers who follow the real Jesus Christ (the one who claimed to be God, and was murdered for it, and raised Himself from the dead - an historical fact)..........i will Worship and serve God no matter what my circumstances are,  whether ther are "good" or "bad",  or whether they fluctuate up or down,  i will STILL serve Him, and that "service" will NEVER be based on what He can give me.

                                    "i am .........."meant to"       

                        P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

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                          Rosie,

                          God is sovereign over all. He can delegate responsibility and authority in His behalf. He did so with ministering spirits; the Cherubim and the angles. One ‘Luminous One’ decided to try to overthrow God’s sovereignty and is an outlaw. This outlaw has dominion of this world- legally his, though wrongfully taken. This outlaw offered some of his dominion and glory to Jesus when he (IT) tempted Jesus. He(it) said “for it is mine to give”. One of the few examples where the father of lies did not lie,… if not the only time.

                           

                          1. Revelation 6:16
                            And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
                            Revelation 6:15-17 (in Context) Revelation 6 (Whole Chapter)
                          2. Revelation 14:10
                            The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
                            Revelation 14:9-11 (in Context) Revelation 14 (Whole Chapter)

                          Think of who it is that will be doing the pouring in 14:10. It will be God. The wrath of the Lamb? Look at Mark 3:5. He can be angered too. Lamb in Rev 5:5 = Lamb-Lion. In 6:16 it is Lion-Lamb. The order is important to the relationship of who is addressed/ministered to, and ultimately who is confronted and afraid of his wrath. Basically it depends on your relationship. Are you fer him or ag’n him?

                          Revelation Chapter 6.

                          Overall book Context to the Seals/Sealing: Rev 6:1 to 7:8 The six Seals and the Sealing of 144,000

                          Rev. 6: context: The Lamb of God opens six seals;

                          The false Christ is going forth to make war on all 144,000 + the saints on the earth that will be martyred.(1st seal, Rev 6:1, 2) Matt 24: 4, 5

                          The text reads seven seals in verse 1. The last Seal of context (Rev. 8:1) contains a new series of judgments under the seven trumpets (8:7 -11:14) and the seven vials (16:1--18:24). The seventh seal thus embraces the period of both trumpets and vials (8:7---18:24), and is immediately followed by the Apocalypse (Unveiling of “The Word of God”, The Son of God; the Son of Adam by bloodline, The revealing of the KING of kings and LORD of lords,… it’s SHOWTIME!)

                          Rev. 6:3-8. Judgments on the A.C and his followers. 2nd, 3rdand fourth Seals opened. Matt 24:6, 7.

                          Rev. 6:9-11. The effects of the war with the saints (those who believe on Christ after the gathering together in the air). Their martyrdom. 5th Seal opened. Matt 24:8-28.

                          Rev. 6: 12-17. Judgments on him (A.C.) and his followers (6th Seal). Matt 24:29,30. Question! “WHO?”

                             The sealing of the 144,000 is pointed to in verse 17. The “who” are the 144,000 specially protected and blessed ones (the elect) who “shall be able to stand” in that day: The Advent of Christ ON the earth.

                          Sealing; Rev 7:1-8. It happens after the fear of the people of verse 6:15 “from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and the wrath of the Lamb.”  These people will know what is coming, if at least in part. The sign of the beast is a different Sonship; Born of the seed of the serpent (the unforgiveable sin) , to be condemned and judged, destroyed as with the evil spirits that empower them: totally worldly God rejecters who worship the beast, killed the saints. The elect of God are a hidden and are the secret blood-line remnant of the Sons of Abraham (Rev 7:4). The elect of Matt. 24:24.

                          Rev. 7:1-8 Answer to the Question “Who”. The sealing of the 144,000.

                          Rev 7:14 Those who have washed their robes in the blood of the Lamb, been through the tribulation have made their robes white by WORKS (believed/confessed unto death during the tribulation). The robes are made white by their WORKS, Not of GRACE. Grace ends when Christ returns in the air for the Body of Christ (1 Thessalonians 4: 16,17). The gift of God, SONSHIP is no longer available. Back to WORKS boys, you rejected him when the get'n was good.

                          These are the ones left behind after Christ returns for the Sons of God in the AIR. Unbelievers have one last chance, but it is back to WORKS and salvation in the tribulation is by WORKS.

                          Choose wisely, Choose NOW!

                           

                           

                          Revelation 6:16

                          “him That sitteth on the throne.”, is a key here. The punctuation is correct and this references Christ who is on (epi, Gr.) the throne(Seventh seal not opened yet, Apocalypse not yet). The usage of the Greek word epi is governed in three classes of a particular preposition (the Genitive, Dative and Accusative), and denotes superposition. There are 18 Greek prepositions in different classes.

                          Epi in this usage is the Accusative class and implies downward pressure on that upon which a thing rests; active motion being suggested ( e.g. 2 Cor. 3:15 {upon}, 1 Tim 5:5 {in God}). Hence, it denotes any extended motion downward ( Matt. 13.2 {on}; 18:12 {into} ; 19:28 {upon}; 27:45 {over}) from heaven to earth (Mark 4:5 & 4:20 {on} ; Acts 11:15 {1st on}, 2 Cor. 12:9 {upon}).

                          All that to document WHO is WHERE and doing the sitting in this verse! “him”=Christ! Who will be executing some wrath? A:The lamb of GOD. Verse 6:17 “his” wrath. The wrath of GOD is clearly outlined in Rev 14:10.

                          There is only one throne God sits on. On that throne Jesus Christ sits at God’s right hand, until he is sent. King David’s throne was on the earth. Trust me, when God stands to do something, Christ will stand in protocol also. In Rev 14:10 God is doing something with great determination “and in the presence of the Lamb.” It will be a great day! The lamb of God is Not God!

                          The Day of Christ is not the same as the day of the Lord. Christ returns in the air for the gathering (day of Christ), then all go back for a party. Meanwhile, the earth is immersed in total spiritual darkness and the Antichrist can emerge. Not a party. Christ returns with the body to execute his wrath on the earth for a little house cleaning. He comes as a thief in the night (day of the Lord). Surprise ! It’s SHOWTIME! Time to rumble!

                          DD


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                            VisionDÜd,

                            You are really locked into the anti-prosperity thing. Most likely because you think that prosperity is living to the nine’s in the world. The real reason you are pissed is, the god you were taught is indeed your failure. You got some lop-sided, -eyed thinking that only what you experience or see or try to perceive is what you and everyone else should live by. Where on earth did you learn that Your NON-prosperity thinking was right? By your failures to be stink’n rich? Where does it say in the book that all who prosper by the will of God will have the world as their oyster? Let me read that. Let me read what kind of prosperity you think is available. You teach NO prosperity, because that is what you know. I have asked you to document and all you do is tangential barking. Like a little yappy dog. That yappy dog does not hunt! You want proof? You do not believe what is written and think what is written aligns with your insane logic. You do not know the book and do harm in your teachings and philosophy. I would get a new god if I were you. The god you serve says the written Word of God is a lie. I can read the book unlike yourself. It teaches me to compare what people say to what it says. You only think you know what it says. Your recent meeting proved again you are not only blind but deaf too. God has not chosen the worldly things but what seems foolish to the worldly. Godliness with contentment is GREAT gain. A big gold chain with some gawdy bling hanging from it and a backward baseball cap, baggy pants at your knees and the latest cell phone crammed it your ear is not true prosperity. 

                            1 Corinthians 2:14
                            But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
                            1 Corinthians 2:13-15(in Context) 1 Corinthians 2(Whole Chapter)

                            1 Corinthians 3:19
                            For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
                            1 Corinthians 3:18-20(in Context) 1 Corinthians 3(Whole Chapter)

                            Judges 10:14
                            Go and cry unto the gods which ye have chosen; let them deliver you in the time of your tribulation.
                            Judges 10:13-15(in Context) Judges 10(Whole Chapter)

                            1 Corinthians 1:27
                            But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
                            1 Corinthians 1:26-28(in Context) 1 Corinthians 1(Whole Chapter)

                            1 Corinthians 1:28
                            And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
                            1 Corinthians 1:27-29(in Context) 1 Corinthians 1(Whole Chapter)

                            James 2:5
                            Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?
                            James 2:4-6(in Context) James 2(Whole Chapter)

                            Revelation 17:14
                            These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
                            Revelation 17:13-15(in Context) Revelation 17(Whole Chapter)

                            I am still waiting for the 50/800 scripture verses that teach your poverty doctrine and the anti prosperity way to live in. Did you get that from a TV show? You want to define prosperity on your terms? You are too LAZY to read the book let alone document from it. What was that line of Chong’s about buffalos and genetics? Those guys are funny. Go yell at your TV.

                            Face it all you can do is rave and rant. You cannot substantiate what you say with scripture. Next time you are in the soup line with the poor, try looking up the verses that actually support what you think. Might stick around for the teaching and remember, the Gideon’s give away free books. Hey, they even read them too!

                            No, you are not a bible scholar. You do not have the metal of a man to read what is written and think those thoughts. You couldn’t find a verse to support your “biblical lie” doctrine because the only “biblical lies” are kept by your mind.

                            You cannot handle someone getting answers to prayers and say it is evil and wrong to live like that, let alone ask. What a lousy way to live. Too bad you do not have the metal of an honorable man who is willing to look at the book and let it speak. Rather you withdraw into your traditional taught lies. Weakling.

                            Acts 24:12-14 (King James Version)

                              12And they neither found me in the temple disputing with any man, neither raising up the people, neither in the synagogues, nor in the city:

                              13Neither can they prove the things whereof they now accuse me.

                              14But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:

                            2 Chronicles 13:12
                            And, behold, God himself is with us for our captain, and his priests with sounding trumpets to cry alarm against you. O children of Israel, fight ye not against the LORD God of your fathers; for ye shall not prosper.
                            2 Chronicles 13:11-13(in Context) 2 Chronicles 13(Whole Chapter)

                             

                            You know, I just took a closer look at the English word translated ‘prosper‘ you are hung up on. Funny how it does not mean the kind of wealth you ascribe to the word. Could you be wrong again? How’s your command of the language?

                            I know you are wrong. What you think prosperity is and what the book says are totally different.

                            I know you cannot think otherwise, so continue in your error. Go watch your TV and talk to it.

                            Go pray for more un-prosperity. Your god wants you to shine in it. Be an example for all to see so your god may be glorified in you. It makes him look good. Light a candle if it helps you get in the mood. Build a shrine to the god of lack, error and threeheadedness. Burn some incense and ring a bell to invoke your gods. Work up a lather so they can hear you.

                            What I don’t get is how God’s mother could die. Why was she not in the beginning? Before the beginning? Because she was not the mother of God? Why is she not sitting next to God now? Does God not love His Mother? Is she in the kitchen making flatbread? And where the heck is Adam, the first Son of God? What a screwed up family. It just does not fit or make sense.

                            Are you from Mexico where everyone is so spiritually impoverished that they will never see the light of day? Think about what has been taught and the results you get. After centuries of spiritual oppression, what do you expect? New Light from darkness? Get your God right. Document what I asked you to, don’t run like a roach from the light.

                            I can think of one really big denomination that has been raking in the WEALTH for centuries. Look what they are doing for Haiti: bake sales to build a new building. Like they don’t have dime to spare. Everyone on the payroll are in vows of poverty. The rest of the world and the USA picks up the slack in aid. Who came to the rescue? Could it be the denomination could only take and not give? Where do you think that tax sheltered money has been going all these years? It is invested to get more wealth. What a scam! And someone says that they get answers to prayer without the support of a denomination’s approval and you say it is evil. Yea, you won a boatload of converts to that thinking!

                            DÜd, I gave many links to the bible gateway. Look up the verses that have one word from the scriptures you know that support the “biblical lies’ you speak of. What? Nobody ever read from the book? Were they too lazy or just didn’t want anyone to know what was REALLY in it? Did the book conflict with tradition? Pedophiles and bibles just do not mix! The real INCONVENIENT TRUTH.

                            DD

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                              Some of these post are way to long..Way way to long..

                                 
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