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Posted: June 29, 2010, 4:39 pm - IP Logged

Oy vey. This thread was started on June 12th, as has been mentioned the original intent being do you blieve in prayer, and implied do you believe in praying to win the lottery?

Since then there have been how many drawings and how many lotto players here on LP alone have sent up a prayer something similar to "Please let me win tonight".

As far as we know it hasn't happened. So for those who proclaim "Name it and claim it" Word of Faith theology (that's what it's called, WoF), where are your jackpots? (Do make sure thought that you pledge $58 a month to Mike Murdoch)

It's often been said that no answer to a prayer is itself an answer.

Thought for the day:

Conceit is a strange disease. It makes everyone sick except the one who has it.

May the lord cut of all flattering lips, and the tongue that speaks proud things.

Psalm 12:3

The truly rich wear common clothes and carry their treasure in their hearts

Those who know don't need to be told, those who don't know seldom listen

Tao Te Ching

OOPS!!!!!........This...

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    Oy vey. This thread was started on June 12th, as has been mentioned the original intent being do you blieve in prayer, and implied do you believe in praying to win the lottery?

    Since then there have been how many drawings and how many lotto players here on LP alone have sent up a prayer something similar to "Please let me win tonight".

    As far as we know it hasn't happened. So for those who proclaim "Name it and claim it" Word of Faith theology (that's what it's called, WoF), where are your jackpots? (Do make sure thought that you pledge $58 a month to Mike Murdoch)

    It's often been said that no answer to a prayer is itself an answer.

    Thought for the day:

    Conceit is a strange disease. It makes everyone sick except the one who has it.

    May the lord cut of all flattering lips, and the tongue that speaks proud things.

    Psalm 12:3

    The truly rich wear common clothes and carry their treasure in their hearts

    Those who know don't need to be told, those who don't know seldom listen

    Tao Te Ching

    to incorporate a gambling term......."BINGO"

    i asked DD to provide real relatable proof that would prove his push easily,  by illustrating exaples of where people actually have.

    if it "was biblical",  there would be scores of them dating back to the beginning of time. 

    heck, even proving the inception of the "prosperity gospel" didn't even arrive on the worlds stage (much less than DD's assertion "it has always been our 'right' ".),  the guy can't even qualify it with modern day examples.

    the "claim",  vs the shear number of constituents,  vs the actual results out to let anyone know it's a scam.

    don't even get me started on "mike murdoch".   that guy is one of the nastiest people on the planet,  because of his silky-tongued ability to con people, by using God.   what other scam on earth flies straight under the radar unabated by tax and ethics laws?    they make promises everyday they can't qualify by the real life methodology above, and yet they rake in millions  without anyone holding them accountable when they "can't deliver what they sell"

    it's legalized robbery.  period.   and mike murdoch is the currrent pied piper of the worst of them.

    shoot,  these guys are BLANKETING TV with their "shows", being on multiple channels,  and taking a multi-level marketing approach to throwing yourself out there to as many as you can,  in hopes of snagging a few. 

    every single show contains one component......how to get wealth.    not just a few, every one

    if God is.........'all about money/wealth/health'.........how come FEW ever reach that status,  despite watching guys like that,  and especially when they send thier "seed money"?     cuz it's a scam

    is that all God is, a one-trick-pony waiting to insulate you from the REAL WORLD,  by building you your own personal fantasyland in your head and circumstances?    that's a joke about who God is. 

    guys like him are disgusting cancers on the body of Christ for inSINuating that God is your personal ATM machine.

    makes my blood boil watching those scams

                "i am .........."meant to"       

    P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

             until further notice,  it's  france everyday

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      I'm not being combative, you are i didn't hijack this thread with my own agenda. Stop living in the past what happened between us years ago is over with, move on people change with time.
       
      I don't push religion i don't attest to know it all. You say your non denominational isn't that against the rules so to speak because Christians are supposed to be part of the flock.
       
       

      Visiondude wrote: you dont think people should discuss God or politics on a forum like this,  yet you regularly engage in it when it does happen?    what kind of statement is that, other than one aimed at an attempt to shut down something you don't like.

      If i wanted to have this shut down i would approach Todd because it's in the rules if it's not lottery related it belongs in a blog.

      you get to decide what and where it happens, and only when you want to add your .02 ?

      No i don't i have every right to add my to cents just like anybody else.

      i don't think so, and neither do other people,....... who are obviously interested in whats going on based on the thread view count. 

      I would expect they find it hysterical i do.

       this happened before when i was at LP.   all i do is state my opinion about the subject matter, and because i become "narrow" about the challenging aspects of a mans life vs the claims of Christ,  the whiners come out in an attempt to silence what they don't wanna hear.

      Again it's not lottery related.

      you have no justification for coming at me this way, because this is a lottery forum that has a ton of people "of faith".  and whats in here is obviously important to them,  even in the back and forth of this thread.

      It' doesn't mater who has what faith The original poster of this thread made that a possibility because he started the topic off with the simple word praying. It's what brought you here. The poster is a newbee  and could have used the search feature to find his answers as per the rules when starting new topics. Golden rule number 3

      the rules of engagement are still the same four after all these years.......if you don't like what you read,  then don't.

      I read what i want when i want I never said i didn't like this topic. I said it drifted from praying to a religious debate about aspects of the bible not related to the lottery.  

      and certainly don't think that you can comment, and not expect some rebuttals in return

      Don't go there i don't want to offend you. If i take the old four4me stand this thread will get locked my comments might get deleted or i might be terminated.

      whats telling about your "mission" in your recent comments to me,  is your admission (and disdain) for your wife being a "pentecostal".   you know this as well as me,  that some  pentecostals are the ones wrapped up in that "prosperity doctrine", and you know what i said about it is true......that it is a scam that rips money of desperate people.  what's "telling", is you haven't said squat to DD about him being in here "talking about God".   you haven't,  because what he says doesn't challenge you like i did,  and that's what really bothers you.

      My wife being Pentecostal has nothing to do with it except that you sound like one also, you reek of it with your constant I know I'm right and your wrong attitude.

      I don't know DD from a hole in the ground i've read some of his post on other topics but never formed an opinion of him. Unlike you i don't judge people based on a few posts. My take on his banter with you is he is learned, maybe more learned than you about Christianity. Looks like he might be into understanding Christ in a way most people never dwell with. I sense he uses Strong's Concordance to evaluate the bibles teachings That he has spent countless hours researching the word of god. 

      (1) go play over in another forum / thread if you encounter something you aren't "interested in"

      Just so you'll know I'll post where i want when i want.

      (2) don't engage people, and then demand that no one can re-engage you.    that's arrogance

      Engaging you because you replied to my post. None of my posts were directed at you. I didn't reply to your post until you got involved with what i wrote.

      (3) don't pretend to think you are going to undermine what i say,  just because you don't like it.  "vision" isn't a card carrying member of door mat Christianity, remember?       i will defend what is right (whatever that amounts to, at that time).  everytime

      Who's undermining who.

      (4) no...... i don't believe in praying for a "lottery win" (per se).   but i do realize it is an avenue that God can possibly choose in a persons life,  in order to accomplish certain aspects of His will,  thru that persons life, and not just to make someone "wealthy".   more importantly,  is to stress the importance of Going to God about such matters,  realizing He has foreknowledge on what is best for us,  so that we don't chase things that aren't meant to happen in the first place.  sometimes a person doesn't really know,  but they feel compelled to play, and they "test-drive" that possibility.  hopefully, if they get in that place where they know they are not supposed to- they stop.  likewise,  one never puts their "hope & trust" in a lottery win,  even if it were to happen. 

      Finally an answer to the topic. I feel almost exactly the same way about your answer since god knows everything if he wants me or anyone else to win he will make that happen.

      (5) on your last statement on what you think happens.......i am good with that.  it's your life four,  not mine. 

      no man should base their eternity on a "guess",  instead of on historical fact,  but it's your life

      We'll find out one day now won't we.

      (6) ever witnessed me attempting to shut anyone down that i don't agree with?  .......and you never will

      ask yourself why that is...

      That's because your just another know it all and as long as you can push your agenda you will to the point of arguing about it, it's a never ending subject for you. You'll go to great lengths to prove you point of view regardless of what or how others feel, say or do.

      You sound like one of my old friends Fawzo he communicates exactly like you do on these matters.

       

      I'm not being combative, you are i didn't hijack this thread with my own agenda.

      you know four,  one place you don't ever want to go to with me,  is where you purposefully lie about what i have done,  or what i have said,  just because you don't like what i say. 

       you do that,  then we do have a problem.  because i won't sit there and watch you do it,  without highlighting why you did.

      look at the beginning of this thread, and it's archive progression, and if you are a man that actually does replicate truth over your "dislikes",  you will tell the truth that it was joker that highjacked anything that was highjackable.   then,  your bud DD decided he thought his ego exceeded his expectations,  and took one of my non confrontational comments,  and in his arrogant calling names way,  decided he was gonna attempt to give me the whats-what.

      i started out in this thread like i always do.  i make a case for Christ.  a narrow case that excludes any other "possibilities",  but an opinion none the less.

      so,  if you were a man that picked truth, the 2 guys you should have had a problem with, you said squat to.  in all actuallity,  if anything,  you have high fived them.    that's being hypocritical

      you know me four, i don't take kindly to people lying about me.

      look at the threads progression........you owe me a posted public apology

      the fact that you won't,  will underline what i stated your "push" is with me,  is true

                  "i am .........."meant to"       

      P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

               until further notice,  it's  france everyday

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        Do you believe in praying?

        not 4 >D> win a lotto >RD> $$LOTTERY$$!!

        GOD is a g@@D GOD >RU> $$READY??$$!!

        LOL>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>!!!!!!!

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          There you go again putting words in my mouth. People can pray to Buddha for all i care.
          I never said i wanted you to go away. If i wanted you to go away i say so.
          I don't care why you came back. You say it was Joker and i say it's because you want to assert yourself on him, your beliefs mean nothing to him, check any of his older posts and you will find he sticks to his beliefs. He also doesn't need me for his defense.
           

          I read what i want when i want I never said i didn't like this topic. I said it drifted from praying to a religious debate about aspects of the bible not related to the lottery.

           

          that is completely untrue.  not only was it about who God is (so one can effectually "pray"),  it was about the prosperity debate,  that you can somehow "strong arm God" for what you want.    you know it is,  yet your "dislike" compells you to make untrue statements.

           

          You are cracked in the head if you think that what it's about. There you go again living in the past i never said i disliked the topic if i did i would say so.

           

          On to you comment about DD get a grip on yourself people have every right to believe what they will. I  never said i approved of anything what are you a mind reader also.

           

          Finally an answer to the topic. I feel almost exactly the same way about your answer since god knows everything if he wants me or anyone else to win he will make that happen.

           

          you need to make up your mind, four.

           

          first you say God has nothing to do with the lottery,  and could care less.   then the above statement.

           

          you fade in-n-out and God and the lottery that suits your whim.   when you don't like something,  suddenly God does a disappearing act.    you need to decide four,  what you really believe,  and live up to that

           

          I finally agree with something you said and you misinterpret that as well. If your so good at reading between the lines then you should know what i meant about god doesn't care about the lottery.

           

           

           

           


           

          because your just another know it all and as long as you can push your agenda you will to the point of arguing about it, it's a never ending subject for you. You'll go to great lengths to prove you point of view regardless of what or how others feel, say or do.

           

          nope.  wrong again.  ain't about me.  but yes,  i do know a lot about who God is,  and how He works,  and i fully intend on passing that knowledge around so that others can be in a position of strength that was as well.  i make zero apologies that i will,  and i hope for your sake,  you are not holding your breath waiting for one

           

          but,  what i will do, is when that opportunity presents itself,  where i "need to",  you can bet your life i will, and i will never cave to another wishing i wouldn't.

           

          you just prefer "door mat Christianity".   you should know,  i don't reside there...

           

          VISION

           

          Your so full of yourself it's pathetic your vision is yours and yours alone. It's impaired by your constant picking apart of everything everybody says. You ought to take that act to Hollywood it might make a great movie. Show how you can impart your beliefs to the whole world.  

           

          NOW if you don't want my involvement don't reply to my posts that way i can say what i want in a post without you picking apart everything i said making up your own ascertation of how i feel based on what you believe is between the lines. Your communication skills need help.

           

          You put people in the defensive mood when you write half the stuff you do in fact i hardly recall your believing anything anybody says. 

           

           


           

           

           

           

           

           

           

           

           



           

           



           

           

           

           

           

           



           

           

           

           

          I never said i wanted you to go away. If i wanted you to go away i say so.
          I don't care why you came back. You say it was Joker and i say it's because you want to assert yourself on him
           
          the trouble is, you tried to make the case against me,  by stating i highjacked the thread,  and took it "off topic" for my own agenda.  if you measure me by that measurement, "if" you where a guy that plays fair,  you would have noted joker was first in line on that "qualification". ......then your bud DD.......THEN me.
           
          get your facts straight if you are going to enable yourself to come at me. 
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           There you go again living in the past i never said i disliked the topic if i did i would say so.
           
          you keep saying (but only when parts of thread become the parts you don't like, discussion wise)  that .....
          "that God and the lottery don't mix".   followed by your opinions on God about it.   gheesh.  make up yo mind, four
          you have said it over and over in varying degree's,  yet you chime in when it suits you.
          you repeat the same behavior you exhibited in the past........you complain when you don't like it,  but you continue to make comments about it.   the past never matters,  unless it's repeated in order to bring about injustice,  THEN it's worth repeating.
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          On to you comment about DD get a grip on yourself people have every right to believe what they will. I  never said i approved of anything what are you a mind reader also.
           
          not a mind reader,  but what i am good at,  is taking a stand, and calling it just like it is.......by using the addition of someones OWN words,  displaying that,  and letting that devide the room.
          the fact is,  not only did you not condemn those 2 first,  skipping right over them to get to me,  you never once addressed the heinous aspects of what DD is selling.   it never bothered you that DD sells the notion that young babies are born in "unbelief",  or that parents of young babies aren't seeing their babies "healed",  because of their unbelief.   joker accuses God of killing 200,000 babies a day,  yet you come at me?    that's a laugh
           
          you even said of DD........"he might actually be on to something".    that is what's called a qualifier.
           
          i state the facts about people,  when they stumble over their agenda, and choose people over truth.  i spoke the truth about you.
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          Your so full of yourself it's pathetic your vision is yours and yours alone. It's impaired by your constant picking apart of everything everybody says. You ought to take that act to Hollywood it might make a great movie. Show how you can impart your beliefs to the whole world  
           
          ahhhhh nope,  it's based in provable repeatable history four,  and anytime you want me to prove that to you join, i am fully capable of doing so.
           
          actually,  intellectually speaking, you are the arrogant one out of the two of us,  for stating that "no one knows for sure".
          despite the fact that there is a God, and if there is,  He sure would have made Himself known......you make the most arrogant statement a man can make,  one notch below "there is no God"
           
          your just mad because someone has the boldness to make that statement.   if i don't, i'm a loon.  but if i can back it up (which i can),  then it isn't me that's "arrogant".     that's whats called having an unshakeable foundation.
           
          what you call "picking apart",  i call "defending the real historical truths of God".
           
          you may sit there in your lazy boy and think that selling false hope in the name of God is fine - but i don't.  i just happen to have the tools to explain it, and it expose it.
           
          you act like "no one knows".   that's not true.   how could God hold us to a standard that was subjective to man?
           
          you just don't like "the standards"
           
          the one thing that rings chyrstal clear,  is that i told you i "can",    and you take a pass.
           
          "my beliefs" aren't mine.  they are etched in history.  if you accept that one fact,  you have a chance
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          You put people in the defensive mood when you write half the stuff you do in fact i hardly recall your believing anything anybody says. 
           
          i don't mean to,  as that is never my push.   mine is a strong positioned OFFENSE.
           
          if you notice,  i started that way,  like i always do,  and then it becomes a defense,  because of the likes of joker and DD.
           
          but,  the reason i don't "run" to high five people that mimic / ballpark what i believe,  is because within that "defense",  i NEVER want to make it appear like it some ganging up arrarngement.    like i rely on others to help me make my "case"
           
          that is the ONLY reason you don't see bantering back and forth that much with the others who believe what i do.  occcasionally i will,  but minimal for the above reasons.   it sure isn't that i am thankful when someone aknowledges my efforts against the likes of a DD or joker
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            where is my apology for saying i started all of this ?    you owe me one

                      "i am .........."meant to"       

          P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

                   until further notice,  it's  france everyday

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            not 4 >D> win a lotto >RD> $$LOTTERY$$!!

            GOD is a g@@D GOD >RU> $$READY??$$!!

            LOL>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>!!!!!!!

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            thank>>GOD>>4>>TODD>>

            psyko try's 2 WIN>>D>>>>

            LOTTERY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!>

            LP>>>>POST!!!!!!!!helpps!!

            DON't>TREAD>on D>LP!!!

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              I never said i wanted you to go away. If i wanted you to go away i say so.
              I don't care why you came back. You say it was Joker and i say it's because you want to assert yourself on him
               
              the trouble is, you tried to make the case against me,  by stating i highjacked the thread,  and took it "off topic" for my own agenda.  if you measure me by that measurement, "if" you where a guy that plays fair,  you would have noted joker was first in line on that "qualification". ......then your bud DD.......THEN me.
               
              get your facts straight if you are going to enable yourself to come at me. 
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               There you go again living in the past i never said i disliked the topic if i did i would say so.
               
              you keep saying (but only when parts of thread become the parts you don't like, discussion wise)  that .....
              "that God and the lottery don't mix".   followed by your opinions on God about it.   gheesh.  make up yo mind, four
              you have said it over and over in varying degree's,  yet you chime in when it suits you.
              you repeat the same behavior you exhibited in the past........you complain when you don't like it,  but you continue to make comments about it.   the past never matters,  unless it's repeated in order to bring about injustice,  THEN it's worth repeating.
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              On to you comment about DD get a grip on yourself people have every right to believe what they will. I  never said i approved of anything what are you a mind reader also.
               
              not a mind reader,  but what i am good at,  is taking a stand, and calling it just like it is.......by using the addition of someones OWN words,  displaying that,  and letting that devide the room.
              the fact is,  not only did you not condemn those 2 first,  skipping right over them to get to me,  you never once addressed the heinous aspects of what DD is selling.   it never bothered you that DD sells the notion that young babies are born in "unbelief",  or that parents of young babies aren't seeing their babies "healed",  because of their unbelief.   joker accuses God of killing 200,000 babies a day,  yet you come at me?    that's a laugh
               
              you even said of DD........"he might actually be on to something".    that is what's called a qualifier.
               
              i state the facts about people,  when they stumble over their agenda, and choose people over truth.  i spoke the truth about you.
              **********************************************************************************************
              Your so full of yourself it's pathetic your vision is yours and yours alone. It's impaired by your constant picking apart of everything everybody says. You ought to take that act to Hollywood it might make a great movie. Show how you can impart your beliefs to the whole world  
               
              ahhhhh nope,  it's based in provable repeatable history four,  and anytime you want me to prove that to you join, i am fully capable of doing so.
               
              actually,  intellectually speaking, you are the arrogant one out of the two of us,  for stating that "no one knows for sure".
              despite the fact that there is a God, and if there is,  He sure would have made Himself known......you make the most arrogant statement a man can make,  one notch below "there is no God"
               
              your just mad because someone has the boldness to make that statement.   if i don't, i'm a loon.  but if i can back it up (which i can),  then it isn't me that's "arrogant".     that's whats called having an unshakeable foundation.
               
              what you call "picking apart",  i call "defending the real historical truths of God".
               
              you may sit there in your lazy boy and think that selling false hope in the name of God is fine - but i don't.  i just happen to have the tools to explain it, and it expose it.
               
              you act like "no one knows".   that's not true.   how could God hold us to a standard that was subjective to man?
               
              you just don't like "the standards"
               
              the one thing that rings chyrstal clear,  is that i told you i "can",    and you take a pass.
               
              "my beliefs" aren't mine.  they are etched in history.  if you accept that one fact,  you have a chance
              *******************************************************************************************
              You put people in the defensive mood when you write half the stuff you do in fact i hardly recall your believing anything anybody says. 
               
              i don't mean to,  as that is never my push.   mine is a strong positioned OFFENSE.
               
              if you notice,  i started that way,  like i always do,  and then it becomes a defense,  because of the likes of joker and DD.
               
              but,  the reason i don't "run" to high five people that mimic / ballpark what i believe,  is because within that "defense",  i NEVER want to make it appear like it some ganging up arrarngement.    like i rely on others to help me make my "case"
               
              that is the ONLY reason you don't see bantering back and forth that much with the others who believe what i do.  occcasionally i will,  but minimal for the above reasons.   it sure isn't that i am thankful when someone aknowledges my efforts against the likes of a DD or joker
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                where is my apology for saying i started all of this ?    you owe me one
              Dam you for making me do this. You'll get no apology from me your a head case get over yourself.
               
              You started in on this topics thread on June 17, 2010, 12:29 am and posted 6 replies to the posters.
              Bright and early on June 18, 2010, 1:12 am - IP Logged you got back into it. 2 more post before
               
              I posted my 1 st post to the topic on June 18, 2010, 1:45 pm  not directed at anybody your post is not above mine Coin Toss's is and my post is not a reply just me posting my thoughts.
               
              Then you get into it with DD June 18, 2010, 2:31 pm 7 posts in a row Packman gives up June 19, 2010, 12:18 am and you jump back into it June 19, 2010, 2:37 am
               
              On June 19, 2010, 4:56 pm - IP Logged your back again 2 more posts
              June 20, 2010, 2:10 am  your back into DD
              June 20, 2010, 12:11 pm your back just checking in and address your post to joker.
               
              I post my second post on June 20, 2010, 6:09 pm  again not directed at anybody just more of my thoughts.
              Many many post later you replied to my second post Posted: June 20, 2010, 11:29 pm 
              You give your rendition as to how christ is yada yada ya  
               
              You have many, many more posts before i finally answer a post by the original poster on  June 25, 2010, 9:49 am - this is my first post where i reply to anyone
               
              Quote: Originally posted by victorl3ichiban on June 24, 2010
              I didn't expect this thread to be this long....
               
              Then i post a reply to Tiggs June 25, 2010, 4:44 pm this is the second post in the topic i reply to.
              Then i post a reply to jrosina  June 25, 2010, 4:55 pm
              Another reply to jrosina June 25, 2010, 6:58 pm
               
              Then you reply to my post on June 25, 2010, 10:02 pm and counter what i said about God care less about money http://www.lotterypost.com/thread/215710/6
               
              June 26, 2010, 1:26 am i reply to your reply to me and thank you
              Thank once again for interpreting my views of God.
               
              Then you start up with me..... i never started a topic with you never posted a reply until you questioned me. Then you proceed to twist what i said into whatever you want it to be based on your analogy of the subject.
               
              I do not reply back to you about your last reply on the 26 of June
               
              I post about a show i was watching. Again not replying to you or anyone else just a harmless little post.
               
              DD replies back to my post and On June 28 at 2:22 pm You tear into my harmless post dissected it and took it apart.http://www.lotterypost.com/thread/215710/7
               
              Then it goes down hill from there. Up and until that point i think i had like 6 maybe 7 posts. I'm to old to play games at 59 i have lived long enough taking care of my family and all our problems trials and tribulations to deal with a nut case like you. Let it go!  harass someone else. 
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                "Live long and prosper!" said Mr. Spock! Fade out! END.  Roll credits. Copyright it!

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                  Dam you for making me do this. You'll get no apology from me your a head case get over yourself.
                   
                  You started in on this topics thread on June 17, 2010, 12:29 am and posted 6 replies to the posters.
                  Bright and early on June 18, 2010, 1:12 am - IP Logged you got back into it. 2 more post before
                   
                  I posted my 1 st post to the topic on June 18, 2010, 1:45 pm  not directed at anybody your post is not above mine Coin Toss's is and my post is not a reply just me posting my thoughts.
                   
                  Then you get into it with DD June 18, 2010, 2:31 pm 7 posts in a row Packman gives up June 19, 2010, 12:18 am and you jump back into it June 19, 2010, 2:37 am
                   
                  On June 19, 2010, 4:56 pm - IP Logged your back again 2 more posts
                  June 20, 2010, 2:10 am  your back into DD
                  June 20, 2010, 12:11 pm your back just checking in and address your post to joker.
                   
                  I post my second post on June 20, 2010, 6:09 pm  again not directed at anybody just more of my thoughts.
                  Many many post later you replied to my second post Posted: June 20, 2010, 11:29 pm 
                  You give your rendition as to how christ is yada yada ya  
                   
                  You have many, many more posts before i finally answer a post by the original poster on  June 25, 2010, 9:49 am - this is my first post where i reply to anyone
                   
                  Quote: Originally posted by victorl3ichiban on June 24, 2010
                  I didn't expect this thread to be this long....
                   
                  Then i post a reply to Tiggs June 25, 2010, 4:44 pm this is the second post in the topic i reply to.
                  Then i post a reply to jrosina  June 25, 2010, 4:55 pm
                  Another reply to jrosina June 25, 2010, 6:58 pm
                   
                  Then you reply to my post on June 25, 2010, 10:02 pm and counter what i said about God care less about money http://www.lotterypost.com/thread/215710/6
                   
                  June 26, 2010, 1:26 am i reply to your reply to me and thank you
                  Thank once again for interpreting my views of God.
                   
                  Then you start up with me..... i never started a topic with you never posted a reply until you questioned me. Then you proceed to twist what i said into whatever you want it to be based on your analogy of the subject.
                   
                  I do not reply back to you about your last reply on the 26 of June
                   
                  I post about a show i was watching. Again not replying to you or anyone else just a harmless little post.
                   
                  DD replies back to my post and On June 28 at 2:22 pm You tear into my harmless post dissected it and took it apart.http://www.lotterypost.com/thread/215710/7
                   
                  Then it goes down hill from there. Up and until that point i think i had like 6 maybe 7 posts. I'm to old to play games at 59 i have lived long enough taking care of my family and all our problems trials and tribulations to deal with a nut case like you. Let it go!  harass someone else. 

                  anyone who operates in the world of fair,  and is not tainted by something they don't like, and makes that (a fair assesment by chronology in this thread) their baromoter of truth,  knows what i said was correct.

                  i came in here to counter joker's incessant messing with people who believe ,  because he runs around in here mocking God all the time.

                  i made the accurate statement that he was in here saying his spillage before i said stitch.  you once again completely omitted that fact in your "hit parade",  and continue to paint me as the bad guy.

                  the truth remains four,  joker made the first comments,  and i answered his charges.   it went from there

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                  DD started it with me,  i did not say anything to DD previously,  and you once again lie about it,  by purposefully playing down what happened between him and i (in your 1st reference about it in your above post),  that sent us down that road.   

                  these are your words exactly from your above post............."Then you get into it with DD June 18, 2010" 

                   ....... not only did you purposefully omit the fact that DD engaged ME FIRST....... (in his post to me on "Posted: June 17, 2010, 4:34 am - IP Logged").............you continue to lie to the board that i am the reason it went that way.

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                  i will say it again,  so i can defend my good name.   a "name" your attempting to cheapen,  so you don't have to hear what i have to say.    sometimes there is wisdom in letting things go,  but not on this level.   not when you are purposefully lying about the chronological events,  so that you "think" you can make my voice in here less effective.   you suffer from long term memory loss, four,  because i don't let people get away with that agenda.

                  in order...

                  (1) joker made his mocking statements first.  i began by saying i could answer his accusations.  it went from there. 

                  (2) DD engaged me first.  not only did he engage me first,  he was an arrogant jerk in his 1st attempt.   you know me,  you don't play that way,  and expect me "not" to respond.

                  (3) your crying foul,  because i said some things based off of your comments,   something you think it's just OK for you to do to others,  but not yourself.  you say stuff all the time in here off someones comments,  including things that challenge their position(s).  i made an accurate statement about you,  that you are being hypocritical. 

                  *******************************************************************************************

                  you know,  i wish it were a matter of you not being able to read and comprehend things,  but it isn't.

                  you purposefully demonstrated that you have some problem with what i say,  that you wish you could blame me for,  but you can't.

                  you might have been able to pull it off,  had you at least relegated the truth in chronological order,  and proved your point that way,  but you chose to lie instead,  to infer it was my fault

                  makes no differance to me,  four.    i always expect this as part of what i do,  encountering people like you that have no interest in telling the truth,  just as long as they can make "it"  go away,   it's an eventuality. 

                  lying about me,  only steels my resolve four

                  you probably didn't want to hear that,  but you brought it upon yourself by choosing to go down that road

                  i got over myself years ago,  a choice that lead me to strength over accusation.

                  and yes,  in keeping with defending my good name,  and your "willful omissions",  you still owe me an apology

                              "i am .........."meant to"       

                  P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

                           until further notice,  it's  france everyday


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                    not sure what to make of this post. 

                    should i call you on some lack of reading / comprehension skills?

                    or should i call you on knowing what you read, understanding it,  then purposefully twisting what i wrote to mean something 180degree's different than what you stated i "meant"?

                    tell you what, i am a reasonable guy, and i will spot you the odd chance that your anger about this situation sent you into auto-tainted mode, before you even read it.

                    read it again joker,  the sentence i wrote above,  that you quoted me on, was written in the 3rd person as a hypothetical.

                    i hope for your sake,  for your own personality "credibility", that you don't have to resort to lying about WHAT a person says,  by purposefully twisting their words,  in order to hope that you can "discredit them".

                    you may read it again, but you certainly won't come back in here and apologize to me for twisting what i said,  and that fact alone will speak volumnes about who you are.

                    and no,  i am not surprised that you would stick your head back in the door,  throw your .01 at the crowd,  then use another excuse to crawl away back out the door.

                    seen it a ton of times.    i call it "intellectual hit and run 101"

                    You need serious help.....


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                      There you go again putting words in my mouth. People can pray to Buddha for all i care.
                      I never said i wanted you to go away. If i wanted you to go away i say so.
                      I don't care why you came back. You say it was Joker and i say it's because you want to assert yourself on him, your beliefs mean nothing to him, check any of his older posts and you will find he sticks to his beliefs. He also doesn't need me for his defense.
                       

                      I read what i want when i want I never said i didn't like this topic. I said it drifted from praying to a religious debate about aspects of the bible not related to the lottery.

                       

                      that is completely untrue.  not only was it about who God is (so one can effectually "pray"),  it was about the prosperity debate,  that you can somehow "strong arm God" for what you want.    you know it is,  yet your "dislike" compells you to make untrue statements.

                       

                      You are cracked in the head if you think that what it's about. There you go again living in the past i never said i disliked the topic if i did i would say so.

                       

                      On to you comment about DD get a grip on yourself people have every right to believe what they will. I  never said i approved of anything what are you a mind reader also.

                       

                      Finally an answer to the topic. I feel almost exactly the same way about your answer since god knows everything if he wants me or anyone else to win he will make that happen.

                       

                      you need to make up your mind, four.

                       

                      first you say God has nothing to do with the lottery,  and could care less.   then the above statement.

                       

                      you fade in-n-out and God and the lottery that suits your whim.   when you don't like something,  suddenly God does a disappearing act.    you need to decide four,  what you really believe,  and live up to that

                       

                      I finally agree with something you said and you misinterpret that as well. If your so good at reading between the lines then you should know what i meant about god doesn't care about the lottery.

                       

                       

                       

                       


                       

                      because your just another know it all and as long as you can push your agenda you will to the point of arguing about it, it's a never ending subject for you. You'll go to great lengths to prove you point of view regardless of what or how others feel, say or do.

                       

                      nope.  wrong again.  ain't about me.  but yes,  i do know a lot about who God is,  and how He works,  and i fully intend on passing that knowledge around so that others can be in a position of strength that was as well.  i make zero apologies that i will,  and i hope for your sake,  you are not holding your breath waiting for one

                       

                      but,  what i will do, is when that opportunity presents itself,  where i "need to",  you can bet your life i will, and i will never cave to another wishing i wouldn't.

                       

                      you just prefer "door mat Christianity".   you should know,  i don't reside there...

                       

                      VISION

                       

                      Your so full of yourself it's pathetic your vision is yours and yours alone. It's impaired by your constant picking apart of everything everybody says. You ought to take that act to Hollywood it might make a great movie. Show how you can impart your beliefs to the whole world.  

                       

                      NOW if you don't want my involvement don't reply to my posts that way i can say what i want in a post without you picking apart everything i said making up your own ascertation of how i feel based on what you believe is between the lines. Your communication skills need help.

                       

                      You put people in the defensive mood when you write half the stuff you do in fact i hardly recall your believing anything anybody says. 

                       

                       


                       

                       

                       

                       

                       

                       

                       

                       

                       



                       

                       



                       

                       

                       

                       

                       

                       



                       

                       

                       

                       

                      Wow ! ! !

                      Someone  who actually thinks I'm not totally insane...lol

                       


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                        Wow ! ! !

                        Someone  who actually thinks I'm not totally insane...lol

                         

                        I get it!

                        Visiondud does not believe anything from the book unless he has Empirical evidence. What he does not know is the book was NOT written to those who demand such. He is excused, but not for saying what is written is a lie. Fact is, he is an atheist. He tries to use logic to win the case for his point because there is no empirical evidence in his narrow tunnel vision to qualify. The book says and I quote a famous Son, “no man has seen God”. The "fully-god and fully-man" BS does not fit that verse does it? Who is lying? Is Jesus? That would be SIN if he did. OOPs, no savior - tiggs must look for another Jesus.

                         

                        Visionblindness thinks he has everyone fooled but is the fool himself. Given any topic, he would like to appear as  knowledgeable and expert, demanding recognition, honor and respect. That is what he is after, RECOGNITION. It is a fundamental self love problem he has and wants and needs approval from others in the form of forced recognition. What a sick puppy! Please get off my leg!

                        Visionblindness fails in attempting to be intellectually expert and redirects the focus. He Changes the topic, putting the focus of doubt on others. His drive for being loved is rooted in his inability to be loved. He does not know God and he does not know Christ, the Son of God. He does not know the scriptures and wishes to drive arguments all around the text. He can’t talk the text because he does not know it. What an imposter! Kick to the head! Visiondood is a phony.

                        Dood only has stories, some exposure to denominational teachings and mostly his idea of what God has to say. Phonies like him can drop into many different topics of discussion but when the slip is made, eyes roll without his knowing. He gives himself away in his ignorance and arrogance. Talk about a twisted sad puppy !

                        DD

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                          anyone who operates in the world of fair,  and is not tainted by something they don't like, and makes that (a fair assesment by chronology in this thread) their baromoter of truth,  knows what i said was correct.

                          i came in here to counter joker's incessant messing with people who believe ,  because he runs around in here mocking God all the time.

                          i made the accurate statement that he was in here saying his spillage before i said stitch.  you once again completely omitted that fact in your "hit parade",  and continue to paint me as the bad guy.

                          the truth remains four,  joker made the first comments,  and i answered his charges.   it went from there

                          ***********************************************************************************************

                          DD started it with me,  i did not say anything to DD previously,  and you once again lie about it,  by purposefully playing down what happened between him and i (in your 1st reference about it in your above post),  that sent us down that road.   

                          these are your words exactly from your above post............."Then you get into it with DD June 18, 2010" 

                           ....... not only did you purposefully omit the fact that DD engaged ME FIRST....... (in his post to me on "Posted: June 17, 2010, 4:34 am - IP Logged").............you continue to lie to the board that i am the reason it went that way.

                          *********************************************************************************************

                          i will say it again,  so i can defend my good name.   a "name" your attempting to cheapen,  so you don't have to hear what i have to say.    sometimes there is wisdom in letting things go,  but not on this level.   not when you are purposefully lying about the chronological events,  so that you "think" you can make my voice in here less effective.   you suffer from long term memory loss, four,  because i don't let people get away with that agenda.

                          in order...

                          (1) joker made his mocking statements first.  i began by saying i could answer his accusations.  it went from there. 

                          (2) DD engaged me first.  not only did he engage me first,  he was an arrogant jerk in his 1st attempt.   you know me,  you don't play that way,  and expect me "not" to respond.

                          (3) your crying foul,  because i said some things based off of your comments,   something you think it's just OK for you to do to others,  but not yourself.  you say stuff all the time in here off someones comments,  including things that challenge their position(s).  i made an accurate statement about you,  that you are being hypocritical. 

                          *******************************************************************************************

                          you know,  i wish it were a matter of you not being able to read and comprehend things,  but it isn't.

                          you purposefully demonstrated that you have some problem with what i say,  that you wish you could blame me for,  but you can't.

                          you might have been able to pull it off,  had you at least relegated the truth in chronological order,  and proved your point that way,  but you chose to lie instead,  to infer it was my fault

                          makes no differance to me,  four.    i always expect this as part of what i do,  encountering people like you that have no interest in telling the truth,  just as long as they can make "it"  go away,   it's an eventuality. 

                          lying about me,  only steels my resolve four

                          you probably didn't want to hear that,  but you brought it upon yourself by choosing to go down that road

                          i got over myself years ago,  a choice that lead me to strength over accusation.

                          and yes,  in keeping with defending my good name,  and your "willful omissions",  you still owe me an apology

                          You love to beat a dead horse. I'm over it so to should you be, a sidewalk preacher with no affiliation to the church a self proclaimed non denominational bible thumping know it all. Why should anyone take you seriously your not an ordained minister or card caring preacher. Who reads minds clear across the country... do you also here things people are saying even thought they aren't speaking to you.

                          I'm not painting you at all i spent an hour or more digging through all these post put together a time line and at no point in time did i reply to any post you made until you replied to mine. Flamed almost everything i said didn't agree with anything i said and then with your righteous self, construed what you thought were in the sentences between the lines based on our past. I asked you to get over the past apparently you cant. This is now this is today. If your looking for affirmation from me forget it i am not going to praise you.

                          What transpires between you and other posters is your business, at no time did i defend them except to say DD seamed to be learned and packman will hold onto his belief. I don't care to challenge them because then i would be beating a dead horse GET IT. At  least i have the common sense not to engage someone so routed in their beliefs.

                          You'll do everything in your power to dissuade them and win them over to your side. And this is where we differ. GOT IT.

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                            You need serious help.....

                            so joker,  your not going to apologize for purposefully twisting what i said either, eh?     you cannot imagine my surprise,  and my ensuing "disappointment".

                            poking your head back out,  after you willingly crawled in your self dug hole,  does not constitute you being in the game, joker.

                            in here,  just as in life,  you are either in it,  or your not.    so make up your mind,  or atleast attempt a formidable stand.

                            you should quit your childish postulating,  and make choices that lead to something that resembles integrity,  otherwise your just a yugo with 3 flat tires,  headed on the road to nowheresville.

                            and no,  you can't blame me (or anyone else,  like you so often do) for your "intellectual  assaults".   they belong to you alone

                            help sought me, it's just that i don't have a problem with it's authority over my life.  so long as you resist it's fully entreatable release,  you operate outside it's reach,  and eventual benefits.

                            it always comes down to an "authority issue".     your a case study

                                        "i am .........."meant to"       

                            P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

                                     until further notice,  it's  france everyday


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                              He does need help joker,...

                               ...help off your leg.

                              The chair recognizes the sick puppy. Motion denied.

                              DD

                              ohh, I see a new post below this edit, Not reading it! la-la-la-laa,.... la-la-la- laaaa,...  hey hey hey, goodbye!

                                 
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