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DD,  what about those babies born from the womb,  who have LIFELONG medical issues?

unbelief?

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P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

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    if i am searching for God, and i "think" some person is on to something tangible, i am going to do everything i can to cull info out of that opportunity,  so that i can qualify God, not excuse Him away. 

    And that's where the root of your problem is. You just admitted it in your quote above. Why would anyone in their right mind debate you, when you just publicly admitted that you will purposely distort "Tangible" evidence, in order for it, to shape your beliefs. If tomorrow, Joe Schmo has the most Earth shattering proof that you were wong, and 99% of the world would agree that Joe's proof was undeniable, you still wouldn't believe....So sad...

    That is the reason I stopped writing back to you until now, and will continue to not write after this post, unless I catch you unknowingly confessing again... 

    Why ANYONE would debate you with the stipulation that you will  purposely "Qualify", (which is just a nice term for "Twist the proof"), is beyond me....

    What's the point?

     

    The pointConeheadis the top of his head jokersan. He is delusional about debate. He cannot stay on topic and changes the focus. An old, old trick of the slippery pseudo wannabes. Look at how he talks, like he is qualified intellectually and it’s all sizzle over substance. Now he wants to wag the dog and do a little back peddling again. You nailed him square and fair: kick to the head!

    Nice call. He would never make it in a true debate because he couldn’t change the rules to suit his style.

    It’s all dogstyle and totally exposed intellectual yappy-puppy leg humping. The debate forum is at a different site.

    DD               yes I pray, and I get positive results too!

    “Moreover the implied intent was  Do you believe in praying for a lottery win.” How do you get that? Pretty loose context and I see the question as it is with nothing read into it. It was a loaded snag. There is much discussion off (lottery) topic here that can be related or not to the lottery. I would say that any skill or fact or truth that can improve the results of prayer through discussion is fair play. Vision DUD has contributed nothing but tangential BS to disqualify prayer and should just come out and say he is against it and go back to  himself. He is the expert on such matters, ya know. And, BTW, Dud drove the thread to glaze his ego.

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      i knew you weren't man enough to step to the plate,  once someone i got down to the nitty-gritty about what you were trying to sell,  and then you refused to answers those really hard qualifiers.

      not only couldn't you answer a simple questions about  how babies are born with medical maladies, and sometimes have lifelong experiences with them,  and how come thousands of Christians don't get "healed"...... you went straight for the lie joker attempted to pull,  high 5ing him (and accepting that He lied),  that i made some "personal integrity dump" about what i believe,  when a 3rd grader could tell it was in the 3rd person.

      you two are just classic cases of not being  "finishers" in life. 

      not only actually possesing the capability of finishing what you start,   but actually being able to qualify what you sell, once you have.

      you just throw it out there,  and hope it sticks somewhere,  then blame other people when it doesn't

      "all hat.  no cowboy"     make that plural,  "cowboys"

       

       

       

       

       

                  "i am .........."meant to"       

      P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

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        Dud's up!

        I see you posted reply. I am not reading your recent BS.   You just want to argue with people. Go yell at your TV.

        DD

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          DD wrote................."And, BTW, Dud drove the thread to glaze his ego".

          nope.  wrong again.

          i came out of LP retirement because i wanted to defend the truths of God,  against someone who sells unattainable false hope to loads of desperate people in here.

          that's always been my M.O.  in here.  on the lottery side of things, as well as the God side of discussion.

          this place is ripe for people who teeter on the brink of desperation, willing to try anything to get that "need" met,  including those who will take a detour from what they know to be right,  in favor of some future "possibility".

          that's why i can't stand the lie of prosperity,  because it doesn't work.  if it did,  you would have demonstrated it by now with real examples of peoples lives.  you failed to do so,  and now you attempt to blame me for not doing so

          instead,  you pump out your selfish wishful thinking,  sans conscience,  not caring a stitch that it doesn't work for anyone else, much less you.  you wanna believe it so bad,  that you are willing to set someone else for failure,  and for them to go sideways on God,  for what you claimed "God says you should be".

          not the "prosperity" that you sell........(that everyone that doesn't "have it",  just because they suffer from unbelief)

          i came back in here with new resolve,  to counter the extortioners of the weak.

          get used to it

          love, vision

                      "i am .........."meant to"       

          P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

                   until further notice,  it's  france everyday


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            “most peoples idea of prayer is waaaaaay off base.  prayer ISN'T asking God for something (per se)” VD

            Hey DÜd,

            You really got the goods to redirect people to error. You said in an earlier post that “prosperity doctrine (teaching for right believing)” is a “biblical lie”. I showed the scripture to back up what the book says and you still maintain it is a lie. You’re full of lies. Why would anyone follow what you say when the book says something else? A very convincing reason to question everything you stand for and say; the doctrine of devils. 

              Maybe you should go give counsel to the See because he needs the help spinning why his boys like boys. You could rewrite Romans chapter one to begin with. Take that dog you have that does not hunt, you won’t need any books. Show the See how prayer works because he might just be on his knees wishing for an answer he will not get.

            Face it, you cannot get answers to prayer and you cannot tell anyone else  HOW-To either. Let me fix what you say for an accurate statement, first person: "prayer ISN'T asking my God for something. he does not hear me".

            DD

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              “most peoples idea of prayer is waaaaaay off base.  prayer ISN'T asking God for something (per se)” VD

              Hey DÜd,

              You really got the goods to redirect people to error. You said in an earlier post that “prosperity doctrine (teaching for right believing)” is a “biblical lie”. I showed the scripture to back up what the book says and you still maintain it is a lie. You’re full of lies. Why would anyone follow what you say when the book says something else? A very convincing reason to question everything you stand for and say; the doctrine of devils. 

                Maybe you should go give counsel to the See because he needs the help spinning why his boys like boys. You could rewrite Romans chapter one to begin with. Take that dog you have that does not hunt, you won’t need any books. Show the See how prayer works because he might just be on his knees wishing for an answer he will not get.

              Face it, you cannot get answers to prayer and you cannot tell anyone else  HOW-To either. Let me fix what you say for an accurate statement, first person: "prayer ISN'T asking my God for something. he does not hear me".

              DD

              DD, be a real man for the 1st time in a long time, would ya?

              you purposefully lied about what i said about the quote that you copy and pasted from another post.   you purposefully left out what i said AFTER, and BEFORE those words,  that would have really painted an accurate picture of what i said, and meant.

              and then you went on to purposefully lie about my position on what true biblical "prosperity" is.   i stated it many times,  that i believe in prosperity of the believer (as God defines it per the parameters of the believers life),  and NOT how you lie that it is.

              is that how you play the game in life?   you purposefully lie about what people say?   you AND joker, evidently. 

              it's the eventual fallout of dealing with "integrity giants",  who eventually when they can't qualify their own defenses.

              lying about your "opponent" is the last stop gap before the swing out the door,  and off to the next victim.

              you resort to lying about someone,  by purposefully twisting their words,  including willfull omission(s),  you don't have anything "defensible"

                          "i am .........."meant to"       

              P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

                       until further notice,  it's  france everyday

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                Dud's up!

                I see you posted reply. I am not reading your recent BS.   You just want to argue with people. Go yell at your TV.

                DD

                you read my posts to you alright,  but your not man enough to finish what you started in here DD. 

                read the beginning, you came at me

                if i was at LP "looking for an arguement",  i would go create them in the countless furtile grounds of threads i could.

                all i am ever going to do, at LP,  or any other arena in life,  is act like a man that actually has something substantive,  by either completing what i start,  or not running away from something that challenges me,  even if i don't like it.

                don't worry,  i knew i had you pegged publically at LP long before i busted out the baby born with medical maladies scenario.

                shoot,  even joker is disappointed in you for chickening out of that one.  that line of questioning floats his dingy.

                poor DD.  can't even answer something that actually would qualify his claims.

                he never could.....

                            "i am .........."meant to"       

                P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

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                      if i am going to put out a "label" that gives you a better barometer of what my beliefs align with, it would be "non denominational",  because i don't align myself with any church / denomination, because no organization will be standing behind me for support on the day i stand before God.  i work hard at differentiating myself from that mindset.

                    but no, not "pentecostal".   too emotionally based and driven for me in particular.  i love "emotion",  but not the kind where you place emotions above facts.  facts first,  then emotions if they are a result of those facts. 

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                    you dont think people should discuss God or politics on a forum like this,  yet you regularly engage in it when it does happen?    what kind of statement is that, other than one aimed at an attempt to shut down something you don't like.

                    you get to decide what and where it happens, and only when you want to add your .02 ?

                    i don't think so, and neither do other people,....... who are obviously interested in whats going on based on the thread view count. 

                     this happened before when i was at LP.   all i do is state my opinion about the subject matter, and because i become "narrow" about the challenging aspects of a mans life vs the claims of Christ,  the whiners come out in an attempt to silence what they don't wanna hear.

                    you have no justification for coming at me this way, because this is a lottery forum that has a ton of people "of faith".  and whats in here is obviously important to them,  even in the back and forth of this thread.

                    the rules of engagement are still the same four after all these years.......if you don't like what you read,  then don't.

                    and certainly don't think that you can comment, and not expect some rebuttals in return

                    whats telling about your "mission" in your recent comments to me,  is your admission (and disdain) for your wife being a "pentecostal".   you know this as well as me,  that some  pentecostals are the ones wrapped up in that "prosperity doctrine", and you know what i said about it is true......that it is a scam that rips money of desperate people.  what's "telling", is you haven't said squat to DD about him being in here "talking about God".   you haven't,  because what he says doesn't challenge you like i did,  and thats what really bothers you.

                    (1) go play over in another forum / thread if you encounter something you aren't "interested in"

                    (2) don't engage people, and then demand that no one can re-engage you.    that's arrogance

                    (3) don't pretend to think you are going to undermine what i say,  just because you don't like it.  "vision" isn't a card carrying member of door mat Christianity, remember?       i will defend what is right (whatever that amounts to, at that time).  everytime

                    (4) no...... i don't believe in praying for a "lottery win" (per se).   but i do realize it is an avenue that God can possibly choose in a persons life,  in order to accomplish certain aspects of His will,  thru that persons life, and not just to make someone "wealthy".   more importantly,  is to stress the importance of Going to God about such matters,  realizing He has foreknowledge on what is best for us,  so that we don't chase things that aren't meant to happen in the first place.  sometimes a person doesn't really know,  but they feel compelled to play, and they "test-drive" that possibility.  hopefully, if they get in that place where they know they are not supposed to- they stop.  likewise,  one never puts thier "hope & trust" in a lottery win,  even if it were to happen. 

                    (5) on your last statement on what you think happens.......i am good with that.  it's your life four,  not mine. 

                    no man should base their eternity on a "guess",  instead of on historical fact,  but it's your life

                    (6) ever witnessed me attempting to shut anyone down that i don't agree with?  .......and you never will

                    ask yourself why that is...

                    I'm not being combative, you are i didn't hijack this thread with my own agenda. Stop living in the past what happened between us years ago is over with, move on people change with time.
                     
                    I don't push religion i don't attest to know it all. You say your non denominational isn't that against the rules so to speak because Christians are supposed to be part of the flock.
                     
                     

                    Visiondude wrote: you dont think people should discuss God or politics on a forum like this,  yet you regularly engage in it when it does happen?    what kind of statement is that, other than one aimed at an attempt to shut down something you don't like.

                    If i wanted to have this shut down i would approach Todd because it's in the rules if it's not lottery related it belongs in a blog.

                    you get to decide what and where it happens, and only when you want to add your .02 ?

                    No i don't i have every right to add my to cents just like anybody else.

                    i don't think so, and neither do other people,....... who are obviously interested in whats going on based on the thread view count. 

                    I would expect they find it hysterical i do.

                     this happened before when i was at LP.   all i do is state my opinion about the subject matter, and because i become "narrow" about the challenging aspects of a mans life vs the claims of Christ,  the whiners come out in an attempt to silence what they don't wanna hear.

                    Again it's not lottery related.

                    you have no justification for coming at me this way, because this is a lottery forum that has a ton of people "of faith".  and whats in here is obviously important to them,  even in the back and forth of this thread.

                    It' doesn't mater who has what faith The original poster of this thread made that a possibility because he started the topic off with the simple word praying. It's what brought you here. The poster is a newbee  and could have used the search feature to find his answers as per the rules when starting new topics. Golden rule number 3

                    the rules of engagement are still the same four after all these years.......if you don't like what you read,  then don't.

                    I read what i want when i want I never said i didn't like this topic. I said it drifted from praying to a religious debate about aspects of the bible not related to the lottery.  

                    and certainly don't think that you can comment, and not expect some rebuttals in return

                    Don't go there i don't want to offend you. If i take the old four4me stand this thread will get locked my comments might get deleted or i might be terminated.

                    whats telling about your "mission" in your recent comments to me,  is your admission (and disdain) for your wife being a "pentecostal".   you know this as well as me,  that some  pentecostals are the ones wrapped up in that "prosperity doctrine", and you know what i said about it is true......that it is a scam that rips money of desperate people.  what's "telling", is you haven't said squat to DD about him being in here "talking about God".   you haven't,  because what he says doesn't challenge you like i did,  and that's what really bothers you.

                    My wife being Pentecostal has nothing to do with it except that you sound like one also, you reek of it with your constant I know I'm right and your wrong attitude.

                    I don't know DD from a hole in the ground i've read some of his post on other topics but never formed an opinion of him. Unlike you i don't judge people based on a few posts. My take on his banter with you is he is learned, maybe more learned than you about Christianity. Looks like he might be into understanding Christ in a way most people never dwell with. I sense he uses Strong's Concordance to evaluate the bibles teachings That he has spent countless hours researching the word of god. 

                    (1) go play over in another forum / thread if you encounter something you aren't "interested in"

                    Just so you'll know I'll post where i want when i want.

                    (2) don't engage people, and then demand that no one can re-engage you.    that's arrogance

                    Engaging you because you replied to my post. None of my posts were directed at you. I didn't reply to your post until you got involved with what i wrote.

                    (3) don't pretend to think you are going to undermine what i say,  just because you don't like it.  "vision" isn't a card carrying member of door mat Christianity, remember?       i will defend what is right (whatever that amounts to, at that time).  everytime

                    Who's undermining who.

                    (4) no...... i don't believe in praying for a "lottery win" (per se).   but i do realize it is an avenue that God can possibly choose in a persons life,  in order to accomplish certain aspects of His will,  thru that persons life, and not just to make someone "wealthy".   more importantly,  is to stress the importance of Going to God about such matters,  realizing He has foreknowledge on what is best for us,  so that we don't chase things that aren't meant to happen in the first place.  sometimes a person doesn't really know,  but they feel compelled to play, and they "test-drive" that possibility.  hopefully, if they get in that place where they know they are not supposed to- they stop.  likewise,  one never puts their "hope & trust" in a lottery win,  even if it were to happen. 

                    Finally an answer to the topic. I feel almost exactly the same way about your answer since god knows everything if he wants me or anyone else to win he will make that happen.

                    (5) on your last statement on what you think happens.......i am good with that.  it's your life four,  not mine. 

                    no man should base their eternity on a "guess",  instead of on historical fact,  but it's your life

                    We'll find out one day now won't we.

                    (6) ever witnessed me attempting to shut anyone down that i don't agree with?  .......and you never will

                    ask yourself why that is...

                    That's because your just another know it all and as long as you can push your agenda you will to the point of arguing about it, it's a never ending subject for you. You'll go to great lengths to prove you point of view regardless of what or how others feel, say or do.

                    You sound like one of my old friends Fawzo he communicates exactly like you do on these matters.

                     

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                      ON that Day We Shall Behold him Face to face!!...Then all arguments will be settled once and for all...Let's make sure...be very sure...that on that day we are not in the company of the spiritually blind, Idolatrous, Religion Lovers, Man Pleasing, disobedient, law-braking,  Stubborn, rebellious unbelieving, Goats!!!!  Be very Sure!!!  

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                      ALL arguments will be Permanently Settled!!! Four4me...I do Agree the Past can be a garbage dump that we refuse to go back and ruminate about and throw what is dead and stinking!!!  Confused

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                        I'm not being combative, you are i didn't hijack this thread with my own agenda. Stop living in the past what happened between us years ago is over with, move on people change with time.
                         
                        I don't push religion i don't attest to know it all. You say your non denominational isn't that against the rules so to speak because Christians are supposed to be part of the flock.
                         
                         

                        Visiondude wrote: you dont think people should discuss God or politics on a forum like this,  yet you regularly engage in it when it does happen?    what kind of statement is that, other than one aimed at an attempt to shut down something you don't like.

                        If i wanted to have this shut down i would approach Todd because it's in the rules if it's not lottery related it belongs in a blog.

                        you get to decide what and where it happens, and only when you want to add your .02 ?

                        No i don't i have every right to add my to cents just like anybody else.

                        i don't think so, and neither do other people,....... who are obviously interested in whats going on based on the thread view count. 

                        I would expect they find it hysterical i do.

                         this happened before when i was at LP.   all i do is state my opinion about the subject matter, and because i become "narrow" about the challenging aspects of a mans life vs the claims of Christ,  the whiners come out in an attempt to silence what they don't wanna hear.

                        Again it's not lottery related.

                        you have no justification for coming at me this way, because this is a lottery forum that has a ton of people "of faith".  and whats in here is obviously important to them,  even in the back and forth of this thread.

                        It' doesn't mater who has what faith The original poster of this thread made that a possibility because he started the topic off with the simple word praying. It's what brought you here. The poster is a newbee  and could have used the search feature to find his answers as per the rules when starting new topics. Golden rule number 3

                        the rules of engagement are still the same four after all these years.......if you don't like what you read,  then don't.

                        I read what i want when i want I never said i didn't like this topic. I said it drifted from praying to a religious debate about aspects of the bible not related to the lottery.  

                        and certainly don't think that you can comment, and not expect some rebuttals in return

                        Don't go there i don't want to offend you. If i take the old four4me stand this thread will get locked my comments might get deleted or i might be terminated.

                        whats telling about your "mission" in your recent comments to me,  is your admission (and disdain) for your wife being a "pentecostal".   you know this as well as me,  that some  pentecostals are the ones wrapped up in that "prosperity doctrine", and you know what i said about it is true......that it is a scam that rips money of desperate people.  what's "telling", is you haven't said squat to DD about him being in here "talking about God".   you haven't,  because what he says doesn't challenge you like i did,  and that's what really bothers you.

                        My wife being Pentecostal has nothing to do with it except that you sound like one also, you reek of it with your constant I know I'm right and your wrong attitude.

                        I don't know DD from a hole in the ground i've read some of his post on other topics but never formed an opinion of him. Unlike you i don't judge people based on a few posts. My take on his banter with you is he is learned, maybe more learned than you about Christianity. Looks like he might be into understanding Christ in a way most people never dwell with. I sense he uses Strong's Concordance to evaluate the bibles teachings That he has spent countless hours researching the word of god. 

                        (1) go play over in another forum / thread if you encounter something you aren't "interested in"

                        Just so you'll know I'll post where i want when i want.

                        (2) don't engage people, and then demand that no one can re-engage you.    that's arrogance

                        Engaging you because you replied to my post. None of my posts were directed at you. I didn't reply to your post until you got involved with what i wrote.

                        (3) don't pretend to think you are going to undermine what i say,  just because you don't like it.  "vision" isn't a card carrying member of door mat Christianity, remember?       i will defend what is right (whatever that amounts to, at that time).  everytime

                        Who's undermining who.

                        (4) no...... i don't believe in praying for a "lottery win" (per se).   but i do realize it is an avenue that God can possibly choose in a persons life,  in order to accomplish certain aspects of His will,  thru that persons life, and not just to make someone "wealthy".   more importantly,  is to stress the importance of Going to God about such matters,  realizing He has foreknowledge on what is best for us,  so that we don't chase things that aren't meant to happen in the first place.  sometimes a person doesn't really know,  but they feel compelled to play, and they "test-drive" that possibility.  hopefully, if they get in that place where they know they are not supposed to- they stop.  likewise,  one never puts their "hope & trust" in a lottery win,  even if it were to happen. 

                        Finally an answer to the topic. I feel almost exactly the same way about your answer since god knows everything if he wants me or anyone else to win he will make that happen.

                        (5) on your last statement on what you think happens.......i am good with that.  it's your life four,  not mine. 

                        no man should base their eternity on a "guess",  instead of on historical fact,  but it's your life

                        We'll find out one day now won't we.

                        (6) ever witnessed me attempting to shut anyone down that i don't agree with?  .......and you never will

                        ask yourself why that is...

                        That's because your just another know it all and as long as you can push your agenda you will to the point of arguing about it, it's a never ending subject for you. You'll go to great lengths to prove you point of view regardless of what or how others feel, say or do.

                        You sound like one of my old friends Fawzo he communicates exactly like you do on these matters.

                         

                        "If i wanted to have this shut down i would approach Todd because it's in the rules if it's not lottery related it belongs in a blog".

                        go ahead,  but unfortunately for your "dislike" of the subject matter, it is "lottery related",  and even more important,  it is connected to the original question,  because it matters who we are praying to, for things concerning the lottery.

                        once again,  you fudge your reasoning,  because the subject matter makes you uncomfortable.

                        it's the same methodology you employed years ago,  which is why i made that point clear.  you attempt to shut down,  what you don't like.

                        you know how evident that statement is?    because of all these past years i have been absent from posting,  i have still been reading LP nearly everyday,   and i never witness you saying much anything when the lottery and "God" comes up.  because of that topics "popularity",  it comes up often enough.

                        you only say something to me,  to silence me,  because what i say challenges your view on God.

                        like i said,  you make comments about my beliefs and rights.   don't cry foul just because i do to you.

                        ***********************************************************************************************Again it's not lottery related.

                        that's actually not true, and you know it.    you attempted to play that card,  hoping it would make me go away

                        i am not.

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                        It' doesn't mater who has what faith The original poster of this thread made that a possibility because he started the topic off with the simple word praying. It's what brought you here. The poster is a newbee  and could have used the search feature to find his answers as per the rules when starting new topics. Golden rule number 3

                        excuse semantics.  whether or not he was a "newbie",  has ZERO bearing on wether or not he should have asked that question.   that question, because there are tons of people who ascribe to it here at LP,  was totally legit.  again, a lame excuse.

                        and no, the "topic" had nothing to do with me coming out of "LP retirement".  if that was it,  i would have been here years ago.

                        the reason i came back,  was jokers wildly rediculous assertions about God being "unjust".  his "20,000 babies dying a month".  someone had to counter his rediculousness,  and i did.   did it respectfully i might add.   then, as usual,  i had to get more "narrow",  because guys like him thinks they can run roughshod over Christians without recourse.  he LOVES to abuse Christianity,  and me not ascribing to "door mat Christianity",  i had to.

                        he started it - and i stayed to the finish,  just like i always do, four

                        what ensued,  is what always happens.......i respond with my firm narrow opinion about how God works,  and then the crybabies who don't like the narrow aspects of who God might be,  come out of the woodwork.

                        it ain't my fault

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                        I read what i want when i want I never said i didn't like this topic. I said it drifted from praying to a religious debate about aspects of the bible not related to the lottery.

                        that is completely untrue.  not only was it about who God is (so one can effectually "pray"),  it was about the prosperity debate,  that you can somehow "strong arm God" for what you want.    you know it is,  yet your "dislike" compells you to make untrue statements.

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                        My wife being Pentecostal has nothing to do with it except that you sound like one also, you reek of it with your constant I know I'm right and your wrong attitude.

                        if thats the way you add it up, so be it.   but the last thing i am in my character,  is some fat-headed jerk,  that thinks "he knows everything", and seeks to "Lord" that knowledge over everyone i see / meet.

                        i am 180degree's the opposite,  in that i "keep it to myself"........until........the situation calls for someone to stand up......then......i have zero problems with political correctness when i need to demonstrate my my position of strength, strength dependant upon the facts that God makes Himself known to man.

                        you have mistaken my supreme confidence in that,  and turned it into something "ugly".

                        "if" i know something is right - i am going to replicate it.  if you wanna live your life where what's "true" is subjective,  and aim that at the sensitivities of those around you,  have at it.  my push in life isn't the amounts of people i make friends with.  my push is to be cool about what i believe,  but what when the situation calls for - to speak up,  and don't water it down.

                        you don't seem to have a "problem" when you become "narrow" on your opinions here at LP.  why is that?  (i know why)

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                         My take on his banter with you is he is learned, maybe more learned than you about Christianity. Looks like he might be into understanding Christ in a way most people never dwell with. I sense he uses Strong's Concordance to evaluate the bibles teachings That he has spent countless hours researching the word of god. 

                        you use falliable means to qualify truth.

                        the guy has spent "countless hours",  but that fact alone does not qualify "truth" in lending.

                        jehovah witnesses flat out created their own bible.  does that qualify their "truth" more.

                        maybe you are sucked in because the guy can spit out cult speak better than most,  but i don't.

                        the true addition goes like this......it's ALWAYS "quality, over quanity".

                        his deal was done when he rejected historical Christianity on 2 accounts......the Deity of Christ,  and the lie of the prosperity doctrine as he believes/sells it.

                        anything he said after that,  was "lying filler".

                        it's important to learn how to rightfully add this stuff up - before you die.

                        eternity deserves more than a "guess".

                        so it has been established,  just like i stated.......that you approve of DD's selling unattainable false hope.  that says alot about you, four.

                        you are going after the wrong guy, because i advocate "realistic, attainable hope".   so you want to be a party to kill that happening, huh?    good look with the fallout of that push.  no man in history has come out on the "plus side" of that equation.

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                        Finally an answer to the topic. I feel almost exactly the same way about your answer since god knows everything if he wants me or anyone else to win he will make that happen.

                        you need to make up your mind, four.

                        first you say God has nothing to do with the lottery,  and could care less.   then the above statement.

                        you fade in-n-out and God and the lottery that suits your whim.   when you don't like something,  suddenly God does a disappearing act.    you need to decide four,  what you really believe,  and live up to that

                        ***************************************************************************************That's because your just another know it all and as long as you can push your agenda you will to the point of arguing about it, it's a never ending subject for you. You'll go to great lengths to prove you point of view regardless of what or how others feel, say or do.

                        nope.  wrong again.  ain't about me.  but yes,  i do know alot about who God is,  and how He works,  and i fully intend on passing that knowledge around so that others can be in a position of strength that was as well.  i make zero apologies that i will,  and i hope for your sake,  you are not holding your breath waiting for one

                        but,  what i will do, is when that opportunity presents itself,  where i "need to",  you can bet your life i will, and i will never cave to another wishing i wouldn't.

                        you just prefer "door mat Christianity".   you should know,  i don't reside there...

                        VISION

                                    "i am .........."meant to"       

                        P.S.,  that RJoH  is a stand up guy.  thanks,  vision

                                 until further notice,  it's  france everyday

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                          There you go again putting words in my mouth. People can pray to Buddha for all i care.
                          I never said i wanted you to go away. If i wanted you to go away i say so.
                          I don't care why you came back. You say it was Joker and i say it's because you want to assert yourself on him, your beliefs mean nothing to him, check any of his older posts and you will find he sticks to his beliefs. He also doesn't need me for his defense.
                           

                          I read what i want when i want I never said i didn't like this topic. I said it drifted from praying to a religious debate about aspects of the bible not related to the lottery.

                           

                          that is completely untrue.  not only was it about who God is (so one can effectually "pray"),  it was about the prosperity debate,  that you can somehow "strong arm God" for what you want.    you know it is,  yet your "dislike" compells you to make untrue statements.

                           

                          You are cracked in the head if you think that what it's about. There you go again living in the past i never said i disliked the topic if i did i would say so.

                           

                          On to you comment about DD get a grip on yourself people have every right to believe what they will. I  never said i approved of anything what are you a mind reader also.

                           

                          Finally an answer to the topic. I feel almost exactly the same way about your answer since god knows everything if he wants me or anyone else to win he will make that happen.

                           

                          you need to make up your mind, four.

                           

                          first you say God has nothing to do with the lottery,  and could care less.   then the above statement.

                           

                          you fade in-n-out and God and the lottery that suits your whim.   when you don't like something,  suddenly God does a disappearing act.    you need to decide four,  what you really believe,  and live up to that

                           

                          I finally agree with something you said and you misinterpret that as well. If your so good at reading between the lines then you should know what i meant about god doesn't care about the lottery.

                           

                           

                           

                           


                           

                          because your just another know it all and as long as you can push your agenda you will to the point of arguing about it, it's a never ending subject for you. You'll go to great lengths to prove you point of view regardless of what or how others feel, say or do.

                           

                          nope.  wrong again.  ain't about me.  but yes,  i do know a lot about who God is,  and how He works,  and i fully intend on passing that knowledge around so that others can be in a position of strength that was as well.  i make zero apologies that i will,  and i hope for your sake,  you are not holding your breath waiting for one

                           

                          but,  what i will do, is when that opportunity presents itself,  where i "need to",  you can bet your life i will, and i will never cave to another wishing i wouldn't.

                           

                          you just prefer "door mat Christianity".   you should know,  i don't reside there...

                           

                          VISION

                           

                          Your so full of yourself it's pathetic your vision is yours and yours alone. It's impaired by your constant picking apart of everything everybody says. You ought to take that act to Hollywood it might make a great movie. Show how you can impart your beliefs to the whole world.  

                           

                          NOW if you don't want my involvement don't reply to my posts that way i can say what i want in a post without you picking apart everything i said making up your own ascertation of how i feel based on what you believe is between the lines. Your communication skills need help.

                           

                          You put people in the defensive mood when you write half the stuff you do in fact i hardly recall your believing anything anybody says. 

                           

                           


                           

                           

                           

                           

                           

                           

                           

                           

                           



                           

                           



                           

                           

                           

                           

                           

                           



                           

                           

                           

                           

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                            Oy vey. This thread was started on June 12th, as has been mentioned the original intent being do you blieve in prayer, and implied do you believe in praying to win the lottery?

                            Since then there have been how many drawings and how many lotto players here on LP alone have sent up a prayer something similar to "Please let me win tonight".

                            As far as we know it hasn't happened. So for those who proclaim "Name it and claim it" Word of Faith theology (that's what it's called, WoF), where are your jackpots? (Do make sure thought that you pledge $58 a month to Mike Murdoch)

                            It's often been said that no answer to a prayer is itself an answer.

                            Thought for the day:

                            Conceit is a strange disease. It makes everyone sick except the one who has it.

                            May the lord cut of all flattering lips, and the tongue that speaks proud things.

                            Psalm 12:3

                            The truly rich wear common clothes and carry their treasure in their hearts

                            Those who know don't need to be told, those who don't know seldom listen

                            Tao Te Ching

                            Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

                            Lep

                            There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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