light on my feet United States
Member #356
May 20, 2002
2,744 Posts
Offline
Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 23, 2010
I've said everything I need to say to you. I'm not repeating myself over and over. read what I wrote above. It says everything on my mind concerning religion.
When all of your denominations can come together as one, and when all religions can agree on one concept, maybe then I'll listen. until then, it's just fantasy made up in yours and everyone else's mind.
Believe what you want, just don't try to persuade me your version of God is the right one, and everyone else is wrong.
It's a very simple concept. They all can't be right....Period!
Case closed. Now go and argue with someone else. I already wrote what's on my mind above.
Delusions Delusions Delusions.....
i will take that as a yes. good, now i don't wanna hear you cry foul as i give you what you came looking for.
Case closed. Now go and argue with someone else. I already wrote what's on my mind above.
just in case you think i wrongly "accused you" of being nothing more than a hit and run angst performance artist, who when he encounters someone who has the goods to not let you slide on your world truth/biblical "inabilities", you turn right around in your next post to me, attempting to shut me down, because you think you get away with your hit and run - without a truth reprisal.
you think you are going to spray the board, and that's that? lol. not so fast. i have a full bottle of truth serum for you.
you will attempt to crawl back under the rock, but this time, i have tied your leg to an LP "fence post".
buckle up and enjoy the ride, joker.
you are the one that put the .25 in the machine. not me.
you are not going to ever blame God for the ego driven inequalities of man.
you cannot "blame God", that there are thousands of religions/sub-sects, and that they "can't agree".
nor, can you blame Him for all the "other" scenarios you wish you could, and i will address those in ensuing posts.
bad news, eh?
there not supposed to. why? because it's been a worldwide epidemic in history that when man shuns Gods simple laws and standards, in favor of a "customized" version of their own, it is supposed to come to a chaotic mess.
good news. bad news.
bad news first. you will get your "wish" of all the worlds "religions" coming together as "one". soon, maybe.
but unfortunately, the "arcithects" of such a feat wont be anything BUT the opposite of God.
the climate seems ripe for such a "bucololic" gathering.
the worlds a hot mess, and that means....
the anti-christ and the false prophet are going to be the "hosts" at the party you DREAM to attend. the "party" has no cover charge upfront, but once inside, it will cost you your life. for eternity.
no backing out the "back door" like you are accustomed to doing, when you create situations you don't like.
they will be pumping "kuum by ya" to get you inside. but once inside, it will be blaring "highway to hell".
you already like AC/DC, right?
the good news......is that when Jesus Christ returns, He WILL turn the "thousands" you loathe, into one with one wave of His hand. only if you stay on the current speeding train to spiritual nowheresville, you won't be on the "plus side" of your "wish"
know how i know that isn't comic book wishful thinking "fantasy"?
because just like i said, that which made you spit and sputter the last time, running out the back door.......is that biblical prophecy has a 100% accuracy rate thus far.
my "bet" is that it will always be "100%".
your so upside down about this, you got all excited about hearing "highway to hell", and your "bet" is fully aimed in THAT direction.
and no. i am not remotely done addressing your rediculous so far off the mark assertions
and no. "they" aren't all "right". Jesus Christ was the only person in the entirety of history that claimed to be God, and proved it.
light on my feet United States
Member #356
May 20, 2002
2,744 Posts
Offline
Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 23, 2010
Ha ha...I got a kick out of that one Jarasan. Good one.
Now back to serious issues.
It's the untimely death, not the inevitable.....
And it's not just the untimely death, but the other questions I impose.
1. So many divine interventions supposedly that took place in Bible days, yet not one since. hmmmmmm...
The Red sea was divided, which actually wasn't the Red sea, it was farther away at a different location.
Multitudes fed with bread and fish.
The dead coming back from their grave.
The walls of jericho tumbling down.
Plagues including insects, sores, and scores of other divine interventions.
A burning bush.
Probably more I'm not aware of.
All of a sudden, it all stopped. Sounds like a BS story to me.
2. Multitudes of religions all claiming to be correct.
3. Science showing Earth and the universe much older than 6,000 years old.....DUH !
4. No intervention during dark ages.
5. No intervention when 1/3 of Europe died from the black plague.
6. No intervention during the crusades.
7. No intervention when 6 million Jews were systematically destroyed.
8. No intervention when over 50 million died in WWII......Not to mention WWI....and all the religious wars.
9. No intervention when religions accumulated, and God stepping up to the plate and making it clear which one is right. Just let it grow like a cancer.
10. No intervention when 20,000 plus kids die everyday.
There's much more, but I'll spare you.
But we're to believe that some old granny in a wheel chair got up because she was miraculously healed.
This is comical at best.
in order.
(1) plenty of examples of God intervening on behalf of His creation, and i will bet that you can find people with "examples" at LP. just because God doesn't "intervene" on your nasty behavior, "allowing" you to breathe because He granted you free will, and for now, is honoring that despite you mocking Him - don't take taht as if He "doesn't. HE STILL does.
(2) a "claim" isn't valid, until they pass the validation process. the validation process (cleaning house) will come soon enough. chaos isn't order, and God isn't responsible for mans obvious chaos.
(3) that's a lie. "science" has attempted to shuck God out of the equation since man could rub 2 rocks together and make fire. big whoop. so far, "science" hasn't proved squat as far as being "older" that what the bible ballparks it. anytime you actually wanna back up what you stated about it, i am right here. i am "good enough" in the science dept to demonstrate this but another example of your parroting skills. once again, you just spit garbage out, and you have no idea if it IS "true".
(4) not true. big, small, barely perceptible, steven speilberg productions.........that ain't true, because God has.
what is true, is the "obviousness" for which God continues to withdraw His protective hand from His creation, as "His creation" continues to tell Him......."WE DON'T NEEDYOUUUUUUUUU.......at a record pace. your part of that phenomenom. H5
(5) to be honest, never really studied about the crusades, and really, i don't need to know, as much as i already know the ancedote to any attrocity committed by any man, any time in history, on any level.
you still can't blame God for anything that man did/does, unless of course God ordered it done. and i bibilcal history, when wayward opposers threatened God people, God black topped them. just be happy God has decided to be a little more "patient" these days. with your ginormous ego, and non conscience about mocking God, you most likely wouldn't have made it 46years on the round ball. that goes for me too, pre "non"visiondude.
(6) whoops. trying to hurry, got #'s 5 and 6 mixed up, and they are now answered backwards. it does not negate the truth.
i have no knowledge about the "black plague". since i don't make things up, i have "no comment".
(7) when you turn your back on God, and refuse to do things His way, bad stuff can happen when God allows you to see what your world/life can become, when He removes his protective hand from you.
israel as a nation and a people have a LONG history of living in stubborn/refusal land.
"6 million" sounds horrific.......until you realize that's a very small number compared to how many have willfully turned their back on God throught history. add THAT number up......and God is STILL righteous. it's a choice to mock God
wait until the anti-christ / return of Jesus Christ scenario. it will be in the billions
(8) what a comedian. like WW1,2,3,4,5,6,7 on and on is "Gods fault", and He should have "intervened".
how come you never ask God to "intervene" when your self control button's wires are frayed? nope, it's mans fault.
(9) had to let that "blossom" into what it has become. Gods only going to honor those who truly seek Him with ALL their heart. the rest that have ego problems, and think they can manufacture their own customized version of "god", of course He is going to let "them" run hog wild, with the occasional "i told you so" moment.
only one did seperate Himself from all the pretenders. "He" fullfilled 300 promises He made.
go over to the math dept at LP, and get someone to calculate the odds of that happening in one person in all of history.
(10) unfortunate that kids are caught in the crossfire of willful idolatrous mocking adults. but, as i stated before, God is actually being merciful, by taking them AS children, before they have a chance of intellectualy rejecting Christ.
so when you really add it up truth wise, instead of this hit and run "face value" game you play.....God is saving 22,000 kids a day.
(11) granny? i dunno. didn't see that show. truthfully, usually not. like i accurately stated, TV evangelists are a SCAM.
it can happen though. seen stuff like that with my own 2 (obviously good) eyes...
too bad you stopped there. i was just getting warmed up.
anything else i can "help" you to understand?
visiondude. part janitor for the believers. part concierge to truthville
light on my feet United States
Member #356
May 20, 2002
2,744 Posts
Offline
ok joker, now we are going to play hard ball. no more soft toss, no more bush league antics from you, now we are going to play the game you instigated on a level playing field. no more hitting and running tilting the "odds" in your favor.
now we are going to do this dance equal.
i will ask you the same thing that made you back out the door the last time, but this time you will face it like a man, and you will answer it, because if you think your going to just spray the board with "questions", your sadly mistaken...
so, did Jesus Christ fulfill around 300 prophecies in His lifetime. "prophecies" that were pre-recorded prior to even His birth.
i am going to handicap myself before your 1st response. aren't i nice?
i already have access to history, that pre-recorded said prophecies. you do too. i tell you this, when i could have blind sided you with that fact, so it will save you many excuses prior to your first response. it will also expedite the process.
also, you can even throw out the ones that could be written off to "self fulfilment", or the orchaestration of "fullfilment" by wishful thinking zealots.
you can throw those out, if that makes it easier on you.
now that we have a level playing field.........wadda ya say?
yes. no. didn't ever happen. those documents don't exist?
history. you can attempt to white out of your personal history book all you want, but it's still there
United States
Member #75,356
June 1, 2009
5,345 Posts
Offline
Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jul 23, 2010
ok joker, now we are going to play hard ball. no more soft toss, no more bush league antics from you, now we are going to play the game you instigated on a level playing field. no more hitting and running tilting the "odds" in your favor.
now we are going to do this dance equal.
i will ask you the same thing that made you back out the door the last time, but this time you will face it like a man, and you will answer it, because if you think your going to just spray the board with "questions", your sadly mistaken...
so, did Jesus Christ fulfill around 300 prophecies in His lifetime. "prophecies" that were pre-recorded prior to even His birth.
i am going to handicap myself before your 1st response. aren't i nice?
i already have access to history, that pre-recorded said prophecies. you do too. i tell you this, when i could have blind sided you with that fact, so it will save you many excuses prior to your first response. it will also expedite the process.
also, you can even throw out the ones that could be written off to "self fulfilment", or the orchaestration of "fullfilment" by wishful thinking zealots.
you can throw those out, if that makes it easier on you.
now that we have a level playing field.........wadda ya say?
yes. no. didn't ever happen. those documents don't exist?
history. you can attempt to white out of your personal history book all you want, but it's still there
VISIONthehistorianact10scene1DUDE
Running to the hills isn't such a bad idea afterall....lol
light on my feet United States
Member #356
May 20, 2002
2,744 Posts
Offline
i know, i can't imagine the force you are feeling right now to do that, and how easy you have don't it before sans conscience.
but it's a fair question, and one that can be answered, although it will take alot of thought on your part.
not because you really WILL answer it correctly, but because it will be the hardest straight jacket of truth you ever tried to escape from, and you will attempt to pull a houdini on historical truth.
you see, even the great dispensor of altruism, the joker, can't make history "disappear".
written pre-recorded history reduces a man to truth. in this case, against their will.
go ahead, play your guitar for awhile. think about it. ponder it. but you will always be on the hook for it, because once i tie you to the fence post of truth (after you challenge me first), i will make sure i "remind you" that you never did.
there is only one way out of this for you, and that's to answer it truthfully without bias.
you don't answer it, and you skate out the back door again, you lose again in the joker ceribility sweepstakes.
you answer it with bias, and attempt to lie about it, then guess what?
the truth wins. not me, that's not the point of what i dooze
United States
Member #75,356
June 1, 2009
5,345 Posts
Offline
Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jul 23, 2010
i know, i can't imagine the force you are feeling right now to do that, and how easy you have don't it before sans conscience.
but it's a fair question, and one that can be answered, although it will take alot of thought on your part.
not because you really WILL answer it correctly, but because it will be the hardest straight jacket of truth you ever tried to escape from, and you will attempt to pull a houdini on historical truth.
you see, even the great dispensor of altruism, the joker, can't make history "disappear".
written pre-recorded history reduces a man to truth. in this case, against their will.
go ahead, play your guitar for awhile. think about it. ponder it. but you will always be on the hook for it, because once i tie you to the fence post of truth (after you challenge me first), i will make sure i "remind you" that you never did.
there is only one way out of this for you, and that's to answer it truthfully without bias.
you don't answer it, and you skate out the back door again, you lose again in the joker ceribility sweepstakes.
you answer it with bias, and attempt to lie about it, then guess what?
the truth wins. not me, that's not the point of what i dooze
You can't address the issues and points I brought up.
You won't......!
You're scared to challenge me because you have no answers. No One has. These debates have been going on for centuries involving the greatest minds in the world. So far, there is no conclusive evidence.
United States
Member #75,356
June 1, 2009
5,345 Posts
Offline
Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jul 23, 2010
in order.
(1) plenty of examples of God intervening on behalf of His creation, and i will bet that you can find people with "examples" at LP. just because God doesn't "intervene" on your nasty behavior, "allowing" you to breathe because He granted you free will, and for now, is honoring that despite you mocking Him - don't take taht as if He "doesn't. HE STILL does.
(2) a "claim" isn't valid, until they pass the validation process. the validation process (cleaning house) will come soon enough. chaos isn't order, and God isn't responsible for mans obvious chaos.
(3) that's a lie. "science" has attempted to shuck God out of the equation since man could rub 2 rocks together and make fire. big whoop. so far, "science" hasn't proved squat as far as being "older" that what the bible ballparks it. anytime you actually wanna back up what you stated about it, i am right here. i am "good enough" in the science dept to demonstrate this but another example of your parroting skills. once again, you just spit garbage out, and you have no idea if it IS "true".
(4) not true. big, small, barely perceptible, steven speilberg productions.........that ain't true, because God has.
what is true, is the "obviousness" for which God continues to withdraw His protective hand from His creation, as "His creation" continues to tell Him......."WE DON'T NEEDYOUUUUUUUUU.......at a record pace. your part of that phenomenom. H5
(5) to be honest, never really studied about the crusades, and really, i don't need to know, as much as i already know the ancedote to any attrocity committed by any man, any time in history, on any level.
you still can't blame God for anything that man did/does, unless of course God ordered it done. and i bibilcal history, when wayward opposers threatened God people, God black topped them. just be happy God has decided to be a little more "patient" these days. with your ginormous ego, and non conscience about mocking God, you most likely wouldn't have made it 46years on the round ball. that goes for me too, pre "non"visiondude.
(6) whoops. trying to hurry, got #'s 5 and 6 mixed up, and they are now answered backwards. it does not negate the truth.
i have no knowledge about the "black plague". since i don't make things up, i have "no comment".
(7) when you turn your back on God, and refuse to do things His way, bad stuff can happen when God allows you to see what your world/life can become, when He removes his protective hand from you.
israel as a nation and a people have a LONG history of living in stubborn/refusal land.
"6 million" sounds horrific.......until you realize that's a very small number compared to how many have willfully turned their back on God throught history. add THAT number up......and God is STILL righteous. it's a choice to mock God
wait until the anti-christ / return of Jesus Christ scenario. it will be in the billions
(8) what a comedian. like WW1,2,3,4,5,6,7 on and on is "Gods fault", and He should have "intervened".
how come you never ask God to "intervene" when your self control button's wires are frayed? nope, it's mans fault.
(9) had to let that "blossom" into what it has become. Gods only going to honor those who truly seek Him with ALL their heart. the rest that have ego problems, and think they can manufacture their own customized version of "god", of course He is going to let "them" run hog wild, with the occasional "i told you so" moment.
only one did seperate Himself from all the pretenders. "He" fullfilled 300 promises He made.
go over to the math dept at LP, and get someone to calculate the odds of that happening in one person in all of history.
(10) unfortunate that kids are caught in the crossfire of willful idolatrous mocking adults. but, as i stated before, God is actually being merciful, by taking them AS children, before they have a chance of intellectualy rejecting Christ.
so when you really add it up truth wise, instead of this hit and run "face value" game you play.....God is saving 22,000 kids a day.
(11) granny? i dunno. didn't see that show. truthfully, usually not. like i accurately stated, TV evangelists are a SCAM.
it can happen though. seen stuff like that with my own 2 (obviously good) eyes...
too bad you stopped there. i was just getting warmed up.
anything else i can "help" you to understand?
visiondude. part janitor for the believers. part concierge to truthville
(3) science" hasn't proved squat as far as being "older" that what the bible ballparks it. anytime you actually wanna back up what you stated about it, i am right here. i am "good....
Science hasn't proven squat?
Most of the galaxies out there are hundreds of thousands or even billions of light years away. How can the universe only be 6,000 years old? It took light that long.(millions, billions)....many many years into the future to reach our eyes.
light on my feet United States
Member #356
May 20, 2002
2,744 Posts
Offline
Quote: Originally posted by joker17 on Jul 23, 2010
You can't address the issues and points I brought up.
You won't......!
You're scared to challenge me because you have no answers. No One has. These debates have been going on for centuries involving the greatest minds in the world. So far, there is no conclusive evidence.
You're just as scary as Jarasan.......
in order...
(1) my 10:21pm post notes that you just comitted your latest lie. i did. systematically one by one
(2) oh, i am more than "willing", and already did. because i don't make excuses and run out the back door, i always will.
(3) i not only issued you a challenged, you lied about it that i "didn't", by implying i am "scared of you". lol
now your spilling your excuses out of your tailpipe as you throw it in reverse.
you won't address what i challenged you on, because you can't
it full on self indicts you as a pretender to "finding the truth".
"searchers" search. they sift. they meddle. they wrestle, but they wrestle fair. they go back and forth on an equitable level, because they want the truth, and they know they only way to find it is to be unbiased / ambivalent.
the last thing "searchers" do is what you do.
you spray and run.
but when someone has something for which you need to equitably respond to, you throw out your smokescreen hand granade and blame me, then you head out the door.
lying about me or you isn't a defense. it's supreme position weakness
reducing people like you to what they really are all about, is easy.
it just takes time.
truth scorecard = 2 for 2
joker on 2 'attempts".......batting .000 (and is sitting on his bench in the locker room, blaiming the pitcher for throwing a fatty strike right down the middle, as to why he "struck out")
i knew you wouldn't. and in keeping with the "prophectic" tone of our discussion, i predicted you wouldn't, pre spillage.
United States
Member #75,356
June 1, 2009
5,345 Posts
Offline
Quote: Originally posted by visiondude on Jul 23, 2010
in order...
(1) my 10:21pm post notes that you just comitted your latest lie. i did. systematically one by one
(2) oh, i am more than "willing", and already did. because i don't make excuses and run out the back door, i always will.
(3) i not only issued you a challenged, you lied about it that i "didn't", by implying i am "scared of you". lol
now your spilling your excuses out of your tailpipe as you throw it in reverse.
you won't address what i challenged you on, because you can't
it full on self indicts you as a pretender to "finding the truth".
"searchers" search. they sift. they meddle. they wrestle, but they wrestle fair. they go back and forth on an equitable level, because they want the truth, and they know they only way to find it is to be unbiased / ambivalent.
the last thing "searchers" do is what you do.
you spray and run.
but when someone has something for which you need to equitably respond to, you throw out your smokescreen hand granade and blame me, then you head out the door.
lying about me or you isn't a defense. it's supreme position weakness
reducing people like you to what they really are all about, is easy.
it just takes time.
truth scorecard = 2 for 2
joker on 2 'attempts".......batting .000 (and is sitting on his bench in the locker room, blaiming the pitcher for throwing a fatty strike right down the middle, as to why he "struck out")
i knew you wouldn't. and in keeping with the "prophectic" tone of our discussion, i predicted you wouldn't, pre spillage.