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Are pre-draws corrupting your lottery strategy ?

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Posted: January 8, 2012, 8:35 pm - IP Logged

Can't remember the day someone made a fool of himself the way you do. This is becoming epic.

Is my post to difficult to respond to, let alone comprehend?I guess me having two sons of 6 and 9 puts me in a position where i can even explain it in such a way you might be able to understand. But i thought wrong, i have lost the touch of explaining to 3 year olds.

Like i wrote before, you and your fellow 'somer' buddy have not much else to do than call names and call people trolls.

Facts! It's as simple as that. Just post facts, then the debat has a meaning and can continue. But it appears all you can post is rubbish, heck, you don't even understand the basics of mathematics so what's the point in trying to answer to your, let's call it, "questions" because we'd stay well mannered.

The world is turning, pick3 games are played, and people put money on it, and here you come into the picture, calling other people trolls, well, WOW, just WOW, bravo, you are a real hero.

Post facts, but it seems the answer to that such a second grade question is way out of your league so why don't you, and your alter ego "somer" (track IP LOL) just put your time and effort there where it belongs, <snip> (and i have snipped myself here Dead , because i don't argue the fact that you most likely have a degree in mathematics, ... for 4 year olds... )

I am willing to spent time and effort into comments of people who are serious.

 

Like i asked before, do something real basic. Post a list of your (free) contributions. Then we might 'talk' again.
then again, i have this strange feeling you will not post such a list, of all the things you have contributed, and i don't need te explain why, because everyone knows... one big 0

mathematical lottery genius who still works for a living...Green laugh

 

ROFL

                                 Hit With Stick

 

your dumb data forgot to include machine rotations and ball set rotations to which you have no access to, so much for your useless data.

stop making a fool of yourself while you can. pathetic !

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    I love it too.  OK, so don't butt out.  After all, it is your call.  I just hate to see all the name calling end.

    "I just hate to see all the name calling end."

    Bastages!

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      "I just hate to see all the name calling end."

      Bastages!

       I'm outa' here.... all that name calling junk was on the other side if you noticed. 

      Helpful members posted facts and answered the question sincerely (good stuff) too .... then they are insulted and called names. Why? Members present more ideas with facts in order to be undestood ......and they are ignored then insulted again.  Not one tiny fact from the "fact- less side".....nada

       No idea how we got pulled into this.... with these. It shoulda' never happened and I'm sorry to see sincere folks had to go through it ......for nothing.

       Our hobby is our lottery..... and it does have it's ups and Downers. LOL           

       

       Well, it is Sunday.....and Matthew 7:6  has been very much in my thoughts....the pearls part, so many good ones.

       

       

      The only real failure .....is the failure to try.                               

                                    Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much. 

                                    Odds never change .....but probability does. 

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         I'm outa' here.... all that name calling junk was on the other side if you noticed. 

        Helpful members posted facts and answered the question sincerely (good stuff) too .... then they are insulted and called names. Why? Members present more ideas with facts in order to be undestood ......and they are ignored then insulted again.  Not one tiny fact from the "fact- less side".....nada

         No idea how we got pulled into this.... with these. It shoulda' never happened and I'm sorry to see sincere folks had to go through it ......for nothing.

         Our hobby is our lottery..... and it does have it's ups and Downers. LOL           

         

         Well, it is Sunday.....and Matthew 7:6  has been very much in my thoughts....the pearls part, so many good ones.

        WIN D says:

        all that name calling junk was on the other side if you noticed.

         

        Paurths:

        don't have to be a real genius for it, but then again it seems you still have not found it...

        On google (pretty much known to anyone older than the age of 3)

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        Can't remember the day someone made a fool of himself the way you do. This is becoming epic.

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        Is my post to difficult to respond to, let alone comprehend?I guess me having two sons of 6 and 9 puts me in a position where i can even explain it in such a way you might be able to understand. But i thought wrong, i have lost the touch of explaining to 3 year olds.

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        But it appears all you can post is rubbish, heck, you don't even understand the basics of mathematics

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        but it seems the answer to that such a second grade question is way out of your league so why don't you, and your alter ego "somer

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         because i don't argue the fact that you most likely have a degree in mathematics, ... for 4 year olds...

         

         

        WIND D, it seems you have selective memory.


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          Can't remember the day someone made a fool of himself the way you do. This is becoming epic.

          Is my post to difficult to respond to, let alone comprehend?I guess me having two sons of 6 and 9 puts me in a position where i can even explain it in such a way you might be able to understand. But i thought wrong, i have lost the touch of explaining to 3 year olds.

          Like i wrote before, you and your fellow 'somer' buddy have not much else to do than call names and call people trolls.

          Facts! It's as simple as that. Just post facts, then the debat has a meaning and can continue. But it appears all you can post is rubbish, heck, you don't even understand the basics of mathematics so what's the point in trying to answer to your, let's call it, "questions" because we'd stay well mannered.

          The world is turning, pick3 games are played, and people put money on it, and here you come into the picture, calling other people trolls, well, WOW, just WOW, bravo, you are a real hero.

          Post facts, but it seems the answer to that such a second grade question is way out of your league so why don't you, and your alter ego "somer" (track IP LOL) just put your time and effort there where it belongs, <snip> (and i have snipped myself here Dead , because i don't argue the fact that you most likely have a degree in mathematics, ... for 4 year olds... )

          I am willing to spent time and effort into comments of people who are serious.

           

          Like i asked before, do something real basic. Post a list of your (free) contributions. Then we might 'talk' again.
          then again, i have this strange feeling you will not post such a list, of all the things you have contributed, and i don't need te explain why, because everyone knows... one big 0

          Ricky, be honest for once in your pathetic life.

          This thread was never about you or your program yet you decided to but in when WinD brought it to your attention....thats what happened was it not ?

          The topic is about pre-draws effecting results in correlating statistical data.

          The only obvious honest answer is that it does and to keep on denying that means that you lack basic honesty and what is even worse is having your troll friends post needless banter that isnt even related to the subject matter at hand.

          I understand that youre just trying to make a living by selling to the masses what they want anyways so this absolves you of some sorts in the court of biased public opinion because we all need our vices no matter how right or wrong ... huh ricky ?

          Youve actually made a lot of money off of peoples addiction not that they have gained a dayyyum thing in return.

          A man of honour and integrity  long ago would have shut up and gone away yet here you remain.

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              Ricky, be honest for once in your pathetic life.

              This thread was never about you or your program yet you decided to but in when WinD brought it to your attention....thats what happened was it not ?

              The topic is about pre-draws effecting results in correlating statistical data.

              The only obvious honest answer is that it does and to keep on denying that means that you lack basic honesty and what is even worse is having your troll friends post needless banter that isnt even related to the subject matter at hand.

              I understand that youre just trying to make a living by selling to the masses what they want anyways so this absolves you of some sorts in the court of biased public opinion because we all need our vices no matter how right or wrong ... huh ricky ?

              Youve actually made a lot of money off of peoples addiction not that they have gained a dayyyum thing in return.

              A man of honour and integrity  long ago would have shut up and gone away yet here you remain.

              I've posted data, posted facts, that the statistics do not change in the long run, yet you just choose to ignore that because it does not fit into your paranoid posts in which you prove zip.

              Where are your facts?

              Why don't you tell everyone Todds drawhistory is corrupt, since there is no pre-draws in it?

              Why don't you tell everyone there are too many tools and systems here at LP, and Todd should create 50 websites instead of 1?

              Pick up a book and learn how to write code, then you can create your own perfect program, i'm sure that would be no problem.

              I've had it with people like you, just show us all the contributions you made. Just show us all the months you spent working for free to provide tools for lots of people here.

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                mathematical lottery genius who still works for a living...Green laugh

                 

                ROFL

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                your dumb data forgot to include machine rotations and ball set rotations to which you have no access to, so much for your useless data.

                stop making a fool of yourself while you can. pathetic !

                It's nice to read that anyone who works for a living is a joke to you... Roll Eyes

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                   I'm outa' here.... all that name calling junk was on the other side if you noticed. 

                  Helpful members posted facts and answered the question sincerely (good stuff) too .... then they are insulted and called names. Why? Members present more ideas with facts in order to be undestood ......and they are ignored then insulted again.  Not one tiny fact from the "fact- less side".....nada

                   No idea how we got pulled into this.... with these. It shoulda' never happened and I'm sorry to see sincere folks had to go through it ......for nothing.

                   Our hobby is our lottery..... and it does have it's ups and Downers. LOL           

                   

                   Well, it is Sunday.....and Matthew 7:6  has been very much in my thoughts....the pearls part, so many good ones.

                  I'm outa' here.... all that name calling junk was on the other side if you noticed.

                   

                  Aww, shucks.  And I was making a list, too.  Lots of good ones in here.  I planned on using them later when I talk to my liberal friends; both of them.

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                    I hate to rain on everybody's parade here but have most of you just plain forgotten these are ping pong balls with air blowing them around in a machine & then 3 seperate numbers pop out in p3 or whichever game you're playing.

                    I might not come close to being as smart as most of you sound like you are but even I can understand that there is no way we are going to be able to come up with a system to beat the odds in pick 3.

                    I don't worry about pre-draws at all but I do look at the actual past numbers that have fallen in P3 & then that is a big guess right there.  It does seem odd that when you go back in years past you can see patterns of several numbers falling in a group more than once but there are only 10 numbers we are dealing with here...0 to 9, so quite naturally there are going to be some patterns that fall from those 10 numbers together sometimes.

                    The best thing to do is try not to analyze the game too much or worry about pre-draws etc, or it will drive you crazy!

                    Just try to have fun playing!

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                      I love it too.  OK, so don't butt out.  After all, it is your call.  I just hate to see all the name calling end.

                      Weeell, we've been called so many names it's removed any stigma it may try to impart, either negative or positive.

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                        I skipped through what happened between pages 5 and 13 but seeing Crow post this....

                         


                        "The topic is about pre-draws effecting results in correlating statistical data.

                        The only obvious honest answer is that it does and to keep on denying that means that you lack basic honesty and what is even worse is having your troll friends post needless banter that isnt even related to the subject matter at hand."


                        Is ridiculous.  The only "obvious answer is that it does"????  Crow, you'r a friend at LP but don't be so arrogant.  To me, it's obvious that a pre draw cannot affect the odds of the results (they obviously affect what the result is, but I don't see that as a relevant since you'll never know what the result is until you see it.)

                         

                        Disagree if you want.  After studying Statistics and the mathemetics of Casino games, I can safely say that I don't think predraws have any negative affect players.  But don't start a thread like this, while being so ingrained in your views that you won't have a meaningful debate.

                         

                        Like I said I skipped a few pages, and didn't care to read them, and I've also seen way worse.  Don't let someone who diagrees with you, Crow, make you angry or anything.  People disagree.

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                          If you totally ignore the pre-draws - whether by choice or by force - aren't any of you getting a solid pattern from what you are able to see and 

                          consider?

                          Is it just bothersome to find that a number that 'should have come' came in a pre-draw and not in the actual draw? Or is it really necessary to

                          have access to and include pre-draw data into whatever program you use or system you run your info through? I really don't think it is.

                          I don't know why someone isn't doing it instead of just guessing it might change things. Aren't NC pre-draw results available...why don't you

                          try to include them in whatever system you're using to see if they matter?

                          I'd be pulling my hair out if I had 6 sets of pre-draw results to consider everytime I sit down and try and do what I do for each draw. I think I'm

                          better off not thinking about them at all.

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                            If you totally ignore the pre-draws - whether by choice or by force - aren't any of you getting a solid pattern from what you are able to see and 

                            consider?

                            Is it just bothersome to find that a number that 'should have come' came in a pre-draw and not in the actual draw? Or is it really necessary to

                            have access to and include pre-draw data into whatever program you use or system you run your info through? I really don't think it is.

                            I don't know why someone isn't doing it instead of just guessing it might change things. Aren't NC pre-draw results available...why don't you

                            try to include them in whatever system you're using to see if they matter?

                            I'd be pulling my hair out if I had 6 sets of pre-draw results to consider everytime I sit down and try and do what I do for each draw. I think I'm

                            better off not thinking about them at all.

                            If you totally ignore the pre-draws - whether by choice or by force - aren't any of you getting a solid pattern from what you are able to see and consider?

                            That is exactly what I'm doing with jackpot games using only the official drawings results.  However I pick more than one combination, usually 20 or so that could contain a winner and maybe even the pre-draw combinations too.  I choose a few patterns that cover 35% of past winners and even when I play combinations with the same pattern as the winning combinations I don't always have a winner because the numbers of combinations with that pattern are too numerous (at least more than the 20 or so lines that I play). 

                            I did however get lucky on 01/02/12 with Ohio Classic Lotto with a 4of6 and the two numbers that I missed were two digits off.  I just happen to post my 10 picks for that drawing on the prediction board which also helped my prediction statistics.

                            Since I write the programs I use I designed them to use only the the data that's availabe before the results of the drawings were posted.  Since pre-draw results are posted with the official drawing results, they are never considered.

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                              I skipped through what happened between pages 5 and 13 but seeing Crow post this....

                               


                              "The topic is about pre-draws effecting results in correlating statistical data.

                              The only obvious honest answer is that it does and to keep on denying that means that you lack basic honesty and what is even worse is having your troll friends post needless banter that isnt even related to the subject matter at hand."


                              Is ridiculous.  The only "obvious answer is that it does"????  Crow, you'r a friend at LP but don't be so arrogant.  To me, it's obvious that a pre draw cannot affect the odds of the results (they obviously affect what the result is, but I don't see that as a relevant since you'll never know what the result is until you see it.)

                               

                              Disagree if you want.  After studying Statistics and the mathemetics of Casino games, I can safely say that I don't think predraws have any negative affect players.  But don't start a thread like this, while being so ingrained in your views that you won't have a meaningful debate.

                               

                              Like I said I skipped a few pages, and didn't care to read them, and I've also seen way worse.  Don't let someone who diagrees with you, Crow, make you angry or anything.  People disagree.

                              Thanks boney, and youre right.

                              I have been a little tough on some of these guys and have went over the line .

                              However my quest is still the same and that is to arrive at the truth as to whether pre-draws effect the statistics.

                              Keep in mind also that my stance on the issues has not been compromised simply because im selling a system

                              Thanks bro and thank you also for your wise words

                                 
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