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Are pre-draws corrupting your lottery strategy ?

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again, those are your templates of what you think passes as proof of no change. I don't use highs and lows and evens and odds, and whatever else you have in there.

for you to paint a complete picture, you'd have to do a back test of what a given person may use as their strategy, not yours. Your was is NOT the universal method of how others may examine numbers...CAPICHE ?

Well come on then, this is the best moment to show everyone what you do use and how you calculate it. Come on somer, show it now, before the earth dies.

You and crow are telling alot of people here Great Stories. Don't you think you or crow should at least come up with some formula's or such to confirm your statements? No?
Mathematics is the only universal language. So it should totally not be difficult to present this to everyone. Most of them got Excel and might be ready to enter your magic formula's and then they will all say "yes, this is it". No? (unless ofcourse Excel is evil software also...)

(i am very, and i mean very confident once again you will not show anything... just as always..., so just prove me wrong, should be really easy for a man of your skills, after reading all your posts that are just loaded with facts)

And believe me, if you come up with facts, i will study them. And if they show me i have been wrong, i am man enough to say then "okay, thanks for pointing that out to me"

Can you bring yourself to do the same?

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    Drawings are a random event from draw to draw.

    actual draw history will average out over time.

    balls by position  6,258 draws

     

     

         Drawn By Position |         Draw Frequency     |   Since Drawn |       Most Frequent

       P1      P2   P3       Ttl|     P1    P2    P3           Ttl|    P1 P2 P3 |     Pairs     Doubles

    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    0: 632 688 596     1916|   9.9   9.1 10.5         3.3|     6   5 12   |   9 (367)     6 (26)

    1: 632 619 660     1911|   9.9 10.1   9.5         3.3|   36   4   6   |   2 (360)     5 (27)

    2: 650 659 625     1934|   9.6   9.5 10.0         3.2|     9 35   9   |   5 (361)     4 (25)

    3: 593 600 680     1873| 10.6 10.4   9.2         3.3|   17   2 17   |   4 (361)     2 (23)

    4: 631 623 637     1891|   9.9 10.0   9.8         3.3|     0 12 29   |   3 (361)     3 (25)

    5: 607 631 643     1881| 10.3   9.9   9.7         3.3|   18   1   3   |   2 (361)     6 (25)

    6: 612 570 574     1756| 10.2 11.0 10.9         3.6|     2 10   1   |   8 (338)     7 (24)

    7: 650 596 614     1860|   9.6 10.5 10.2         3.4|   10 25   0   |   0 (362)     0 (23)

    8: 636 628 593     1857|   9.8 10.0 10.6         3.4|     1 15   7   |   1 (353)     6 (26)

    9: 615 644 636     1895| 10.2   9.7   9.8         3.3|   14   0 15   |   0 (367)     4 (25)

     Pre draws do not corrupt my game as the actual draw history is enough for me to use.

     The longest out ball by position is 1-2-4

    If I do a search on that actual draw history the 1-2-4 by either position have been out a total of 29 draws with a most out of 23 draws using 6,258 draws.

    One of those balls will drop by position shortly I would gather.There are options on how to use this info.

    Actual draw stats are locatable using the many options in software to find something that will drop in a reasonable length of time.

    Some draw history of the 1-2-4 by position search

    Number search of SC3 A M&E.dmg: All Records      Printed: 01-11-2012
    Pos.1 = 1 Pos.2 = 2 Pos.3 = 4 Pos.4 = None   Exact Order, Any Numbers
    1723 Records Found          1723 Selected Records Printed           Page

     Record     Date           P1 P2 P3   Matched  Skips
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
       6164   11/21/2011   4    8    4            1      15
       6165   11/21/2011   7    6    4            1       0
       6167   11/22/2011   3    6    4            1       1
       6172   11/25/2011   6    2    7            1       4
       6178   11/28/2011   7    2    5            1       5
       6180   11/29/2011   1    5    0            1       1
       6181   11/30/2011   1    2    8            2       0
       6186   12/02/2011   0    2    5            1       4
       6188   12/03/2011   5    2    3            1       1
       6190   12/05/2011   1    8    4            2       1
       6191   12/05/2011   1    4    3            1       0
       6195   12/07/2011   9    2    0            1       3
       6198   12/09/2011   6    7    4            1       2
       6200   12/10/2011   0    2    0            1       1
       6201   12/10/2011   8    2    4            2       0
       6205   12/13/2011   4    5    4            1       3
       6206   12/13/2011   1    6    0            1       0
       6209   12/15/2011   2    2    6            1       2
       6210   12/15/2011   1    1    2            1       0
       6211   12/16/2011   1    1    6            1       0
       6214   12/17/2011   2    2    9            1       2
       6215   12/18/2011   0    0    4            1       0
       6216   12/19/2011   6    2    3            1       0
       6221   12/21/2011   1    8    9            1       4
       6222   12/22/2011   1    8    9            1       0
       6223   12/22/2011   0    2    0            1       0
       6229   12/26/2011   8    1    4            1       5

    Pre draws do not corrupt my game

    126 fell tonight

    The longest out ball by position is 1-2-4

    If I do a search on that actual draw history the 1-2-4 by either position have been out a total of 29 draws with a most out of 23 draws using 6,258 draws.

    WHATT

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      somer, there has been nothing presented that proves, or should lead anyone to believe a pretest, a ball set, ball machine, or any other outside influence affects the outcome of the draw.

      The only person I have ever heard allude to the thought was jimjwright who mentioned he felt his predictions were better if he could guess the correct ball set or machine. If that works for jim, more power to him! I recognize it is his opinion and I respect that. 

      I did Texas because I live there. I play there. I don't track other games mainly because I don't have time.

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        Well come on then, this is the best moment to show everyone what you do use and how you calculate it. Come on somer, show it now, before the earth dies.

        You and crow are telling alot of people here Great Stories. Don't you think you or crow should at least come up with some formula's or such to confirm your statements? No?
        Mathematics is the only universal language. So it should totally not be difficult to present this to everyone. Most of them got Excel and might be ready to enter your magic formula's and then they will all say "yes, this is it". No? (unless ofcourse Excel is evil software also...)

        (i am very, and i mean very confident once again you will not show anything... just as always..., so just prove me wrong, should be really easy for a man of your skills, after reading all your posts that are just loaded with facts)

        And believe me, if you come up with facts, i will study them. And if they show me i have been wrong, i am man enough to say then "okay, thanks for pointing that out to me"

        Can you bring yourself to do the same?

        I look at pairs mainly, and dates that play into the equation when making my choices. Plug that into your computer and tel me if the stats are still the same with pre tests, ball sets, and machine rotaions taken in account, then call me in the morning.


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          Machine rotations? Look up Texas one more time dude... and you know, they are not from other planets, some actually answer emails Big Grin Angel

           

          Checkpoints?

          Hey, don't blame me for mathematics.

          Have you sent an email to the universities yet?

          You should, they will be glad to hear mathematics & statistics they teach is totally wrong...
          And don't worry if they ask for proof, they wont. No doubt they will just accept your word on it! Eek

           

          what's beneficial to you may not be to me, or joe schmo, or anyone else. Get IT?

          So, what kind of mathematics do you use then? Enlighten us please.
          How should i understand this?
          Let me try:
          In a pick3 game there are 1000 straight numbers. Let's take a structure of 50 straight numbers. In my world this means their mathematical average skip is 20 draws (my math is easy, just divide 1000 by 50, and that gives 20)
          What does your math say about such things? Cheers

          Or:
          I go into a store, i buy product A and product B and i pay = (Price of product A) + (Price of product B)

          For you it is different? You use another type of math? How much do you pay for product A and (or? if? if then else? Switch? Logical OR? Logical AND?...) product B? Shocked

          Ricky, this isnt your own personal forum where you get to promote your software and to keep doing it shows your lack of credit.

          No college professor out there would put any credit whatsoever in your techniques because they arent founded in statistics to begin with and ill bring up the followers list that you sell in your program as proof.

          You know dayumm well that combinations dont follow each other and i personally have run thousands upon thousands of simulations proving that they dont .....matter of fact theyre no better than random

          Its funny how youre the only software developer that came by to complain not that any of this was ever about you.

          The truth is that you really dont care if your program works or not cause its all about making $$$$$$$$ from selling it.

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            OogleTHE ISSUE WITH NC PRE AND POST TEST DRAWS IS THAT THEY ARE THOUGHT TO BE EXCESSIVE - SOMETIMES UP TO 16 AND AS MANY AS NECESSARY THEY HAVE TOLD US- IT MAKES ME AND OTHERS WONDER IF OTHER STATES HAVE THAT MANY. IS IT NORMAL TO HAVE UP TO 16.

            YES I AM SHOUTING!! ALL STATES HAVE PRE-POST TESTS BUT WHAT IS TOO MANY?

            THE ISSUE HERE IS THE NUMBER OF PRE/POST TESTS NOT THAT THEY HAPPEN! THAT'S A GIVEN.

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              OogleTHE ISSUE WITH NC PRE AND POST TEST DRAWS IS THAT THEY ARE THOUGHT TO BE EXCESSIVE - SOMETIMES UP TO 16 AND AS MANY AS NECESSARY THEY HAVE TOLD US- IT MAKES ME AND OTHERS WONDER IF OTHER STATES HAVE THAT MANY. IS IT NORMAL TO HAVE UP TO 16.

              YES I AM SHOUTING!! ALL STATES HAVE PRE-POST TESTS BUT WHAT IS TOO MANY?

              THE ISSUE HERE IS THE NUMBER OF PRE/POST TESTS NOT THAT THEY HAPPEN! THAT'S A GIVEN.

              Yes I think that many pre and post test are excessive. I do not understand why they even have post test. The drawing is over with.

              Quite obvious they read lottery boards and want to mess with what players are doing. How many people read this thread and say to themself, why should I even bother buying, creating or using software to track the game if they have this going on.

              I understood a long time back state lotteries generally had about 4 pre test. mainly to see that the balls were not tampered with. Do not remember if I read about post test back then.

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                Yes I think that many pre and post test are excessive. I do not understand why they even have post test. The drawing is over with.

                Quite obvious they read lottery boards and want to mess with what players are doing. How many people read this thread and say to themself, why should I even bother buying, creating or using software to track the game if they have this going on.

                I understood a long time back state lotteries generally had about 4 pre test. mainly to see that the balls were not tampered with. Do not remember if I read about post test back then.

                I also think the state lottery officals are Big Grin from ear to ear reading this and the discouragement it puts into players reading it.

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                  Yes I think that many pre and post test are excessive. I do not understand why they even have post test. The drawing is over with.

                  Quite obvious they read lottery boards and want to mess with what players are doing. How many people read this thread and say to themself, why should I even bother buying, creating or using software to track the game if they have this going on.

                  I understood a long time back state lotteries generally had about 4 pre test. mainly to see that the balls were not tampered with. Do not remember if I read about post test back then.

                  Thanks for replying Jap69.  They have 4 pre-tests and 5 post tests standard for them and have told us that they have more when they need to.  Like I said before when I got the history from them, some were up to 16 some were 9.  I think that's what the issue is and the information is not readily available, it's months back.

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                    Thanks for replying Jap69.  They have 4 pre-tests and 5 post tests standard for them and have told us that they have more when they need to.  Like I said before when I got the history from them, some were up to 16 some were 9.  I think that's what the issue is and the information is not readily available, it's months back.

                    It would appear to me that they are attempting to break up the drawing stats cycle having random amounts of pre and post test drawings.

                    I would almost guess they have lottery software of their own checking on the randomness of the actual draws. Software users rely heavily on stats on what they want to play.

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                      OogleTHE ISSUE WITH NC PRE AND POST TEST DRAWS IS THAT THEY ARE THOUGHT TO BE EXCESSIVE - SOMETIMES UP TO 16 AND AS MANY AS NECESSARY THEY HAVE TOLD US- IT MAKES ME AND OTHERS WONDER IF OTHER STATES HAVE THAT MANY. IS IT NORMAL TO HAVE UP TO 16.

                      YES I AM SHOUTING!! ALL STATES HAVE PRE-POST TESTS BUT WHAT IS TOO MANY?

                      THE ISSUE HERE IS THE NUMBER OF PRE/POST TESTS NOT THAT THEY HAPPEN! THAT'S A GIVEN.

                      Dunno if it is normal or not. It might be written in the contract the state has with G-Tech, or part of the by-laws of the lottery commission of the state. 

                      The only explanation for the post test is to ensure nothing was tampered with during or after the pre-test or during the live draw. Other states may have a post test as well. For all I know Texas might and not publish that fact.

                      I did see that Texas has had more than 4 pre-tests at times. A few times there were five pre-tests and once there was something like 8. I was thinking that was the first and only time they went to the back up machine. But that is just my thinking. Seems to me there were 13/14 exceptions I had to write to make the program run.

                      The one thing for sure, it will take more than thought to change state policy. And unfortunately, you're not going to influence people to sign a petition without verifable facts. You don't influence people to share your concern by calling them trolls or idiots, or trying to browbeat them to accept your point of view. Certainly not going to win any software people over by questioning the usefulness of their product, or claiming it don't work. (I'm not speaking of you personally since I've never found you offensive, but if you followed the thread you already know that).

                      Might want to look at a thread from 2008 "Pre-test draws, Do we have a right to know what they are?"  Todd has an interesting response in that thread.

                      http://www.lotterypost.com/thread/181012

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                        Dunno if it is normal or not. It might be written in the contract the state has with G-Tech, or part of the by-laws of the lottery commission of the state. 

                        The only explanation for the post test is to ensure nothing was tampered with during or after the pre-test or during the live draw. Other states may have a post test as well. For all I know Texas might and not publish that fact.

                        I did see that Texas has had more than 4 pre-tests at times. A few times there were five pre-tests and once there was something like 8. I was thinking that was the first and only time they went to the back up machine. But that is just my thinking. Seems to me there were 13/14 exceptions I had to write to make the program run.

                        The one thing for sure, it will take more than thought to change state policy. And unfortunately, you're not going to influence people to sign a petition without verifable facts. You don't influence people to share your concern by calling them trolls or idiots, or trying to browbeat them to accept your point of view. Certainly not going to win any software people over by questioning the usefulness of their product, or claiming it don't work. (I'm not speaking of you personally since I've never found you offensive, but if you followed the thread you already know that).

                        Might want to look at a thread from 2008 "Pre-test draws, Do we have a right to know what they are?"  Todd has an interesting response in that thread.

                        http://www.lotterypost.com/thread/181012

                        Thanks for your response garyo1954.

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                          Ricky, this isnt your own personal forum where you get to promote your software and to keep doing it shows your lack of credit.

                          No college professor out there would put any credit whatsoever in your techniques because they arent founded in statistics to begin with and ill bring up the followers list that you sell in your program as proof.

                          You know dayumm well that combinations dont follow each other and i personally have run thousands upon thousands of simulations proving that they dont .....matter of fact theyre no better than random

                          Its funny how youre the only software developer that came by to complain not that any of this was ever about you.

                          The truth is that you really dont care if your program works or not cause its all about making $$$$$$$$ from selling it.

                          I must have missed something i wrote there... You bring it up every time you can, but can you show me where exactly i write anything about software in the post you quoted?

                           

                          To make it easy for you, this is the post you quoted, should be easy for you to point out where i mentioned anything about <any> software Big Grin

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                          Machine rotations? Look up Texas one more time dude... and you know, they are not from other planets, some actually answer emails Big Grin Angel

                           

                          Checkpoints?

                          Hey, don't blame me for mathematics.

                          Have you sent an email to the universities yet?

                          You should, they will be glad to hear mathematics & statistics they teach is totally wrong...
                          And don't worry if they ask for proof, they wont. No doubt they will just accept your word on it! Eek

                           

                          what's beneficial to you may not be to me, or joe schmo, or anyone else. Get IT?

                          So, what kind of mathematics do you use then? Enlighten us please.
                          How should i understand this?
                          Let me try:
                          In a pick3 game there are 1000 straight numbers. Let's take a structure of 50 straight numbers. In my world this means their mathematical average skip is 20 draws (my math is easy, just divide 1000 by 50, and that gives 20)
                          What does your math say about such things? Cheers

                          Or:
                          I go into a store, i buy product A and product B and i pay = (Price of product A) + (Price of product B)

                          For you it is different? You use another type of math? How much do you pay for product A and (or? if? if then else? Switch? Logical OR? Logical AND?...) product B? Shocked

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                            If pre-draws mess up strategy, this would mean, it is inherent to it per definition, the statistics of structures would show this. So when you have a strategy that uses structures, you are scr.w.d... according to some...

                            I could just write "no, not true", or "yes, very true" and be on my way.
                            Or, i could show data collected from different "games" and compare the data to see which side i should pick.
                            This is usually how scientist do it. They don't just say "the moon is 100 miles away" and another says "no, the moon is 1000000 miles away".
                            To find out how far the moon is, they will measure the distance and come to a conclusion based on that data, based on facts.


                            Any given structure is "created" with a set of numbers. For example the HHH pattern will have 125 numbers (straight).

                            Ideally, this structure should show itself in the draws once in every 8 draws. Whenever a number with only high digits comes in, this is a HHH.
                            This means the Mathematical Average skip can be used to observe if the Real Average skip is far off. In a "fixed" game this would show, in real life when you throw a coin, from which each side has a Mathematical Average skip of 2, you will find one side will sometimes fall several times in a row before the other side falls. No one is fixing behind your back or when you blinked, it is just the way it is.

                            This goes for any structure there is. Some structures have 125 straight numbers, others have for example 27 numbers (OSS OpenStraightStraight)

                             

                            If pre-draws mess up, this would mean this would be shown in the statistics.

                            Below is a grid of some straight structures: HighLow, OddEven, DigitSort (LMH), OpenClosedStraight, LMH structured numbers (L:0, 1, 2 and M: 3, 4, 5, 6 and H: 7, 8, 9) and InOut.

                            The first column show the (short)name of the structure, the second column shows the Mathematical Average skip.

                            In this grid you will find the following "states"
                            Texas midday - real draws: these are the draws on which you can bet
                            Texas midday - Pre-draws: these are the draws on which you can not bet, they are held before the real draw
                            Texas midday - Pre-draws + real draws: a combination of both the real draws and the pre-draws.
                            New Jersey evening draws (for the last 10 years only) : New Jersey is a ball machine game
                            California Evening draws (for the last 10 years only) : California uses a RNG (Random Number Generator, or simply put, a computer)
                            RNG 3570 draws: This is not a real state, it has draws that were created using my own Random Number Generator (just the same as you can find here at LP)

                            For each of these "states" the grid shows how many times a structure has "hit", and the RealTime average skip has been calculated.

                            Up to you to compare the data, compare average skips, and come to your own conclusion.
                            No hocus pocus here, just facts!

                             

                             

                            ..Texas middayNJ Eve (last 10 years)CA eve (last 10 years)RNG 3570 draws (10 years draws)
                            ..Real drawsPre-drawsPre-draws and real draws......
                            Straight statsMath Av skipTimesAv. skipTimesAv. skipTimesAv. skipTimesAv. skipTimesAv. skipTimesAv. skip
                            HHH83887,8310117,4613997,574088,754268,384717,58
                            HHL83808,9298,1213098,094088,754707,64418,1
                            HLH83458,819268,1512718,334487,974138,654527,9
                            LHH84067,499268,1513327,954428,084487,974398,13
                            LLL83608,448908,4812508,474857,364707,64268,38
                            LLH83808,9447,9913247,995216,864677,654497,95
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                            Let's say i would have removed the name of the "states", is anyone out there that could tell wich "state" is which?

                            Anyone claiming the pre-draws mess up everything should be able to do so, since they make a claim the data is corrupt, biased, name it... based on ... yes, based on what?

                            Crow, it seems you missed this post again, so for your convenience, here it is again.

                            Again something that should be easy for you to point out where exactly the pre-draws mess up the structures.

                            lasas3

                            An onion a day keeps everyone away!!!


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                              Posted: January 11, 2012, 11:56 pm - IP Logged

                              I must have missed something i wrote there... You bring it up every time you can, but can you show me where exactly i write anything about software in the post you quoted?

                               

                              To make it easy for you, this is the post you quoted, should be easy for you to point out where i mentioned anything about <any> software Big Grin

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                              Machine rotations? Look up Texas one more time dude... and you know, they are not from other planets, some actually answer emails Big Grin Angel

                               

                              Checkpoints?

                              Hey, don't blame me for mathematics.

                              Have you sent an email to the universities yet?

                              You should, they will be glad to hear mathematics & statistics they teach is totally wrong...
                              And don't worry if they ask for proof, they wont. No doubt they will just accept your word on it! Eek

                               

                              what's beneficial to you may not be to me, or joe schmo, or anyone else. Get IT?

                              So, what kind of mathematics do you use then? Enlighten us please.
                              How should i understand this?
                              Let me try:
                              In a pick3 game there are 1000 straight numbers. Let's take a structure of 50 straight numbers. In my world this means their mathematical average skip is 20 draws (my math is easy, just divide 1000 by 50, and that gives 20)
                              What does your math say about such things? Cheers

                              Or:
                              I go into a store, i buy product A and product B and i pay = (Price of product A) + (Price of product B)

                              For you it is different? You use another type of math? How much do you pay for product A and (or? if? if then else? Switch? Logical OR? Logical AND?...) product B? Shocked

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                              Dont you have that listed at the bottom of every reply that you write ?

                              The name of your software that is ?

                              I mean that is free advertizing isnt it ..... after all you dont see me or any other software designer doing that , do ya ?

                              Listen, homie, im gettin a little tired of arguing with you all the time .... plus i need some pizza to calm my nerves from all these heated debate's  ive been having here lately.

                              Just chill out for awhile cause this really isnt that serious as you make it out to be .

                                 
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