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Are pre-draws corrupting your lottery strategy ?

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Posted: January 19, 2012, 5:55 pm - IP Logged

"what we need is an independent audit looking into why governor Bev Perdue borrowed out of the state lottery fund given how this was supposed to be out of bounds for this kind of intervention."

Every President since LBJ with the exception of Obama (there was no money left) has borrowed money from Social Security. If our city, county, state, and Federal governments don't stop their spending sprees, there will be no money left to steal borrow.

"Then why do soooo many players believe that the machines have to be tested 4-6 times a day ?"

Players want a fair and random drawing they can watch on TV if they choose. Your argument seems to be against the process used by the lotteries to insure a fair and random drawing. From the comments I've read, the only adverse effect the tests have on the players is when they publish the test results after the drawings and that only affects the players that played one or more of the those test numbers.

Players want a fair and random drawing they can watch on TV if they choose. Your argument seems to be against the process used by the lotteries to insure a fair and random drawing. From the comments I've read, the only adverse effect the tests have on the players is when they publish the test results after the drawings and that only affects the players that played one or more of the those test numbers.

If you think about it, there's a good chance a lot of players are going to match one of those test drawings simply because there are four of them. 

In pick3 games chances are players numbers will hit some where every day if you include all the pick3 drawings through out the country.  I suppose they could predict the winning numbers more accurately if there was only one drawing for the whole country everyday.

 * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
   
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    Perhaps a ouija bord brings the solution... pre-draws are evil, but using such a ouija bord might put that evil in a prisoncell, and throw away the key...

    Don't trust the government, but trust a ouijabord

    ya know its kinda odd that you brought that up given that this topic has been discussed once before in other forums.

    reallly though trusting in the government isnt always wise as the government itself is virtually immune from prosecution like i have previously stated.

    we are after all not automatons that can be programmed...there is a freedom of expression and i still dont want to envision a 1984 george orwellian state where everything is subject to the memory hole.

    ill throw in some new speak later on however i dont think many would know the difference.

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      Posted: January 23, 2012, 9:20 pm - IP Logged

                  Using the pre-draws will corrupt your system or strategy in Lottery games .  Pre-draws do not matter in game play  ,  just the previous draws have any variable in winning . If you are using them stop NOW !!!


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        Perhaps a ouija bord brings the solution... pre-draws are evil, but using such a ouija bord might put that evil in a prisoncell, and throw away the key...

        Don't trust the government, but trust a ouijabord

        Sarcasm ?

        Do this then : run your stats from your program and see how they stack up against the ouija board results.

        There are those in the mystical forum who might lean towards ummm, welll you know where and have valid reasonings towards such.

        Honestly though, you dont trust the government anymore than i do so why dont you just admit it.....are you just going to trust the IRS not to audit you and walk around all patriotic and submissive to your own downfall ?

        The powers that be would throw you under the bus an wouldnt give two shyyytts in the process just like they've done countless others.

        I still feel pre-draws are a corrupting influence when trying to crunch data.

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          Players want a fair and random drawing they can watch on TV if they choose. Your argument seems to be against the process used by the lotteries to insure a fair and random drawing. From the comments I've read, the only adverse effect the tests have on the players is when they publish the test results after the drawings and that only affects the players that played one or more of the those test numbers.

          If you think about it, there's a good chance a lot of players are going to match one of those test drawings simply because there are four of them. 

          In pick3 games chances are players numbers will hit some where every day if you include all the pick3 drawings through out the country.  I suppose they could predict the winning numbers more accurately if there was only one drawing for the whole country everyday.

          "If you think about it, there's a good chance a lot of players are going to match one of those test drawings simply because there are four of them."

          Most people don't understand how math is used to entice players to continue playing. The Pick 3 game was designed to encourage players to pick their own numbers. The same math is used by our 50 pick 3 combos "good for all states" predictors in the Pick 3 forum. They might have one or two box hits or maybe straight but only because the math favors it. We won't find many of them posting on the prediction pages because the statistics will show them winning in a couple of drawings but losing in 70 others.

          A 10 combo 2 if 3 ten digit wheel is guaranteed to match 2 digits in any drawing with 3 different digits. By arranging the combos so each digit appears once in each digit position, the odds are truly 100 to 1. But after understanding matching 2 digits pays nothing and any 10 combos has the same 100 to 1 odds, there is nothing remarkable about it at all.

          It's easy to see in Lotto games, PB, and MM where large jackpots entice the players and any combo, personal pick or quick has an equal though a very slim chance of winning. Given the choice of spending a $1 to win $500 on a Pick 3 QP or $1 to win millions on a Lotto or MM sounds like a no brainer. There are probably many Pick 3 players spending hours every day choosing their numbers and after buying them will ask for a couple of QPs on one the multi-million games.


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            "If you think about it, there's a good chance a lot of players are going to match one of those test drawings simply because there are four of them."

            Most people don't understand how math is used to entice players to continue playing. The Pick 3 game was designed to encourage players to pick their own numbers. The same math is used by our 50 pick 3 combos "good for all states" predictors in the Pick 3 forum. They might have one or two box hits or maybe straight but only because the math favors it. We won't find many of them posting on the prediction pages because the statistics will show them winning in a couple of drawings but losing in 70 others.

            A 10 combo 2 if 3 ten digit wheel is guaranteed to match 2 digits in any drawing with 3 different digits. By arranging the combos so each digit appears once in each digit position, the odds are truly 100 to 1. But after understanding matching 2 digits pays nothing and any 10 combos has the same 100 to 1 odds, there is nothing remarkable about it at all.

            It's easy to see in Lotto games, PB, and MM where large jackpots entice the players and any combo, personal pick or quick has an equal though a very slim chance of winning. Given the choice of spending a $1 to win $500 on a Pick 3 QP or $1 to win millions on a Lotto or MM sounds like a no brainer. There are probably many Pick 3 players spending hours every day choosing their numbers and after buying them will ask for a couple of QPs on one the multi-million games.

            The fact of the matter is that there is no pick3 software out there that can crack the system and if there were people like paurths would be keeping it a secret and making tons of money for himself instead of getting gullible uneducated people to buy it .....preying off of peoples weakness and addiction still strikes me as dishonourable,however when it comes to money people  who lack ethics will soon appear in droves no matter what the cause may be.

            its a known fact that pre-draws corrupt data and to think otherwise shows a complete lack of honesty.

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              Look Crow... er

               I approached a fellow member here at Lottery Post years ago about putting together a new software to help some of us older players with our hobby. We needed help with our old "Pad and Pencil" methods ......and some of our old tried and truelottery tools we needed for our Pick 3 games.

               Ricky(Paurths) was part of our little trackers group back then. Ricky was a really a great player, tracker and fellow member. After a while we figured it out .....Ricky was the only one of us with enough talent and brains to take all of our suggestions and favorite little tools and over time ......slowly start putting them together for us. 

               He worked his tail off taking everyone's suggestions, along with their favorite tools and putting them all together .....in a easy usable form. It took him a long, long time to do all of it.... but he never gave up.  He is still with us and still working on several things for us right now.   

              Older members know that Ricky is one of the nicest most giving guys here on the forum ......and worked his buttt off for us old timers. He went beyond what we suggested with new tools and tracking systems that were intuitive. 

               We..... the trackers, players and members are the one's that told Ricky he should get something for all of his time and effort. He is the one that put all of the time and effort into the software.  We know what he did for us and the results have been beyond anything that we ever had before. It's our work too......it's a collection of our members experience with lottery over many years. One of my contributions was the "Short Sums Chart" both the Box and Straights tools...and that had always been a dream of mine. When Ricky put that together it was vision come true.   

               Crow.... There is no such thing as "Code breaking" software as you call it. That's all online crap and hype.

               What we have with Ricky's work is a beautiful collection of "Tools". Do you understand ? Tools that we asked for.....Tools that we wanted to automate in some way for a long time ....Tools that we needed for years.....and he is the only one that finally put them together for us.

                 We are the one's that actually told Ricky to stop giving away all of his work for nothing. We did it ....not Ricky. Still, if you look at the hours and months and now .....years he has put into the best software out there.... it isn't even close to what he put into it! At least it's some little something.  After all, we are not communist....yet.

                He started off doing it as a friend for us .....and he is one of us. First a member .....then a friend... then a software developer.......in that order.

                   Tools that's all ......it's acollection of great building tools that have all been put together by one of our fellow members here for all of us .....and our friend. 

                  Yes, the software might be a little more than the average "voo doo" ..... ouija board playing ....."hit and run player" needs. They come.....and they go. Good -bye.  We older players love it and our friend who worked on it for us. 

                  None of the older members ever called it code breaking.... It's a great tool box. It's just our friend Ricky that came up with a way of putting some of our old working tools in some software for us. That's it.

               

               

              The only real failure .....is the failure to try.                               

                                            Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much. 

                                            Odds never change .....but probability does. 

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                Look Crow... er

                 I approached a fellow member here at Lottery Post years ago about putting together a new software to help some of us older players with our hobby. We needed help with our old "Pad and Pencil" methods ......and some of our old tried and truelottery tools we needed for our Pick 3 games.

                 Ricky(Paurths) was part of our little trackers group back then. Ricky was a really a great player, tracker and fellow member. After a while we figured it out .....Ricky was the only one of us with enough talent and brains to take all of our suggestions and favorite little tools and over time ......slowly start putting them together for us. 

                 He worked his tail off taking everyone's suggestions, along with their favorite tools and putting them all together .....in a easy usable form. It took him a long, long time to do all of it.... but he never gave up.  He is still with us and still working on several things for us right now.   

                Older members know that Ricky is one of the nicest most giving guys here on the forum ......and worked his buttt off for us old timers. He went beyond what we suggested with new tools and tracking systems that were intuitive. 

                 We..... the trackers, players and members are the one's that told Ricky he should get something for all of his time and effort. He is the one that put all of the time and effort into the software.  We know what he did for us and the results have been beyond anything that we ever had before. It's our work too......it's a collection of our members experience with lottery over many years. One of my contributions was the "Short Sums Chart" both the Box and Straights tools...and that had always been a dream of mine. When Ricky put that together it was vision come true.   

                 Crow.... There is no such thing as "Code breaking" software as you call it. That's all online crap and hype.

                 What we have with Ricky's work is a beautiful collection of "Tools". Do you understand ? Tools that we asked for.....Tools that we wanted to automate in some way for a long time ....Tools that we needed for years.....and he is the only one that finally put them together for us.

                   We are the one's that actually told Ricky to stop giving away all of his work for nothing. We did it ....not Ricky. Still, if you look at the hours and months and now .....years he has put into the best software out there.... it isn't even close to what he put into it! At least it's some little something.  After all, we are not communist....yet.

                  He started off doing it as a friend for us .....and he is one of us. First a member .....then a friend... then a software developer.......in that order.

                     Tools that's all ......it's acollection of great building tools that have all been put together by one of our fellow members here for all of us .....and our friend. 

                    Yes, the software might be a little more than the average "voo doo" ..... ouija board playing ....."hit and run player" needs. They come.....and they go. Good -bye.  We older players love it and our friend who worked on it for us. 

                    None of the older members ever called it code breaking.... It's a great tool box. It's just our friend Ricky that came up with a way of putting some of our old working tools in some software for us. That's it.

                Code breaking software ?

                I dont actually recall ever using that phrase.

                I have talked about using core combinations that tend to follow a given statistical curve if that is what youre referring to.

                As ive said countless times in my earlier posts that this thread wasnt intended to bash ricky or his sytem yet you guy showed up looking for a fight and to defend your methods which of yet btw to have proven any positive results.

                Ive tested ricky's system a shyytload of times as well as his lasas and theyre no better than any other system ive tested ...

                How much money have you won with his system ?

                A little ?

                A lot ?

                If any system is worth anything then it should keep you ahead of the statistical curve in relationship to the over all amount of loss you incur over time.

                Just be honest enough to admit that ricky created his sytem to fatten his own wallet full well knowing that it was easier this way than gambling away tons of money like others who have done.

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                  LOOK Crow... Everyone knows you are busted ! They read your post.  LOL 

                   The older players here have already seen through you and your pretentious crap. You're some kind of a conspiracy nutt. You say outlandish things for attention. You are a mean... stiff necked little man that calls names at some very nice people. Why? What do you want? 

                  How can you not know? Someone in your life up until now must have clued you in to yourself.    Seriously, really ....?  What kind of slow people have you grown up with?  I am being as kind as I can when I say .......your no great thinker.

                  Seriously, no one can take you or your theories seriously ...after seeing how bad your 3rd grade math is posted all over the forums .  You have actually  posted in several states a chart that calls 720 single numbers .....to be 75% of the 1000 chart.  No,, your wrong calling 72% ....divided by 2 ....37.5%!! LOL  You tried to cover it up....but it is posted in all states not just one. 

                   You combine State draws together sometimes and sometimes not ?? Then post predictions ?? The same numbers....for different states..... and even different Mid and Eve draws.....no matter what or when. Who cares.... mixing it up is ok right?  Then why do predraws matter either ?

                    Then you try to come across as some kind of lottey Guru ..... some kind of " Number drawing Purist". LOL

                   You're Some kind of conspiracy nutt that mixes your own predictions with different daily draws and even go so far as posting them to different states all together......and all of this with a big helping of your bad math......and bad mouth reveals who you are to people.   Contamination ? Yes .... yes you're right. Your stuff is contaminated with your own errant ideas..... that part is right.

                   Just don't contaminate any of the nice people here. They really don't deserve it..... and have not done anything to deserve your accusations.

                   Although, they're not as hurtful as they were in the beginning, as folks begin to see you become more and more irrelevant.

                   

                   

                  The only real failure .....is the failure to try.                               

                                                Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much. 

                                                Odds never change .....but probability does. 

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                    LOOK Crow... Everyone knows you are busted ! They read your post.  LOL 

                     The older players here have already seen through you and your pretentious crap. You're some kind of a conspiracy nutt. You say outlandish things for attention. You are a mean... stiff necked little man that calls names at some very nice people. Why? What do you want? 

                    How can you not know? Someone in your life up until now must have clued you in to yourself.    Seriously, really ....?  What kind of slow people have you grown up with?  I am being as kind as I can when I say .......your no great thinker.

                    Seriously, no one can take you or your theories seriously ...after seeing how bad your 3rd grade math is posted all over the forums .  You have actually  posted in several states a chart that calls 720 single numbers .....to be 75% of the 1000 chart.  No,, your wrong calling 72% ....divided by 2 ....37.5%!! LOL  You tried to cover it up....but it is posted in all states not just one. 

                     You combine State draws together sometimes and sometimes not ?? Then post predictions ?? The same numbers....for different states..... and even different Mid and Eve draws.....no matter what or when. Who cares.... mixing it up is ok right?  Then why do predraws matter either ?

                      Then you try to come across as some kind of lottey Guru ..... some kind of " Number drawing Purist". LOL

                     You're Some kind of conspiracy nutt that mixes your own predictions with different daily draws and even go so far as posting them to different states all together......and all of this with a big helping of your bad math......and bad mouth reveals who you are to people.   Contamination ? Yes .... yes you're right. Your stuff is contaminated with your own errant ideas..... that part is right.

                     Just don't contaminate any of the nice people here. They really don't deserve it..... and have not done anything to deserve your accusations.

                     Although, they're not as hurtful as they were in the beginning, as folks begin to see you become more and more irrelevant.

                    Ok ok you caught me.... ill admit im busted.

                    I will admit though that i purposefully altered those stats in order to prove a point.

                    Now, do you know "why" i did that ?

                    C'mon now think for a minute and it will become all too clear.

                    Im not a conspiracy nut as you would have everyone to believe.... i still believe that JFK was killed by a lone gunman and the twin towers were destroyed by airplanes who were piloted by muslim extremeist bent on harming the united states and not blown up by domestic terrorists as some conspiracy sites preach.

                    Why would you call my methods inaccurate when you yourself believe in the "followers list" ?

                    You honestly think that combinations follow each other ?

                    Ive tested that followers list thousands of times and the results were no better than random yet you still believe in that nonsense, why is that ?

                    You did not come to this thread being unbiased or else you wouldnt be acting as ricky's mouth piece defending a system that is no better than any other out there.....matter of fact no other software developer stopped by to complain and be defensive as you people have done,now why is that ?

                    This might and i mean just might be a case when man actually bites dawg.

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                      Crow, i'd suggest asking Todd to close this thread cause it's pointless arguing with people who think they have all the answers. They didn't get it before, and they never will. Poor guys, spent years behind the computer analyzing statistical data that was erroneous...Disapprove

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                        "Im not a conspiracy nut as you would have everyone to believe.... "

                        The government is corrupt. The lottery is corrupt. The numbers are in error. The data is bad. You are all trolls and stupid.

                        And I repeat....

                        "Im not a conspiracy nut as you would have everyone to believe.... "

                        LMAO!!!!

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                          Code breaking software ?

                          I dont actually recall ever using that phrase.

                          I have talked about using core combinations that tend to follow a given statistical curve if that is what youre referring to.

                          As ive said countless times in my earlier posts that this thread wasnt intended to bash ricky or his sytem yet you guy showed up looking for a fight and to defend your methods which of yet btw to have proven any positive results.

                          Ive tested ricky's system a shyytload of times as well as his lasas and theyre no better than any other system ive tested ...

                          How much money have you won with his system ?

                          A little ?

                          A lot ?

                          If any system is worth anything then it should keep you ahead of the statistical curve in relationship to the over all amount of loss you incur over time.

                          Just be honest enough to admit that ricky created his sytem to fatten his own wallet full well knowing that it was easier this way than gambling away tons of money like others who have done.

                          Just be honest enough to admit that ricky created his sytem to fatten his own wallet full well knowing that it was easier this way than gambling away tons of money like others who have done.

                          I pretty much had it with you and will ask you to just stay far away from whatever i have created. I have written this before, but it seems you are just not capable of understanding/comprehending that software like MS Word will not spit out a bestseller whenever you launch it. Opening MS Excel will not, i repeat: will not create bookkeeping software for you when you run it. Is that really so hard to understand? I mean, it is not exactly chinese i am writing here. So are you calling the persons who created MS Word, MS Excel and so forth also names?
                          It is a tool that one can use. The input comes from the person that is using it.

                          How do you think this website was created?
                          Do you think Todd just launched Visual Studio, and there you go, the site was created?
                          Todd is a smart guy, he knew he had to learn how to use software to his own benefit, meaning he is the one that had the idea for a great site like this one, and he put in the time and effort to create it.

                          People like you probably think that Visual Studio is evil too, just because when you would launch it, it does not create a winning site or software on its own.

                          I am done explaining anything to you as from now on. I've read a zillion of your posts, it is clear as to what your level is: everyone is a troll, and that's that. It is amazing how narrowminded you react to anyone that don't share your idea. They are just trolls, end of story.


                          You didn't get it before when several persons explained,
                          you don't get it now,
                          hence, you'll never get it.

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                            Crow, i'd suggest asking Todd to close this thread cause it's pointless arguing with people who think they have all the answers. They didn't get it before, and they never will. Poor guys, spent years behind the computer analyzing statistical data that was erroneous...Disapprove

                            I knew from the beginning that trollz would come by just to get their chance at trying to crash the thread. ...ive seen it happen numerous times... keep in mind that these are the same people that are losin money out the wazoo from systems theyve been duped into buying but are too ignorant and dishonest even to admit it to themselves hence the addiction...

                            this thread has really awakened me as to the amount of idiots that post around here..... im pretty sure i could sell them the brooklyn bridge given the amount of money theyre are willing to put their trust in... i think from now on though ill just sit back and laugh all the while seeing them go broke.


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                              Just be honest enough to admit that ricky created his sytem to fatten his own wallet full well knowing that it was easier this way than gambling away tons of money like others who have done.

                              I pretty much had it with you and will ask you to just stay far away from whatever i have created. I have written this before, but it seems you are just not capable of understanding/comprehending that software like MS Word will not spit out a bestseller whenever you launch it. Opening MS Excel will not, i repeat: will not create bookkeeping software for you when you run it. Is that really so hard to understand? I mean, it is not exactly chinese i am writing here. So are you calling the persons who created MS Word, MS Excel and so forth also names?
                              It is a tool that one can use. The input comes from the person that is using it.

                              How do you think this website was created?
                              Do you think Todd just launched Visual Studio, and there you go, the site was created?
                              Todd is a smart guy, he knew he had to learn how to use software to his own benefit, meaning he is the one that had the idea for a great site like this one, and he put in the time and effort to create it.

                              People like you probably think that Visual Studio is evil too, just because when you would launch it, it does not create a winning site or software on its own.

                              I am done explaining anything to you as from now on. I've read a zillion of your posts, it is clear as to what your level is: everyone is a troll, and that's that. It is amazing how narrowminded you react to anyone that don't share your idea. They are just trolls, end of story.


                              You didn't get it before when several persons explained,
                              you don't get it now,
                              hence, you'll never get it.

                              So what ?

                              This thread never was about you like ive stated numerous time before....you happened to be the only software developer to show up and bytchh and complain and to have your troll friends crash the thread in your defense.

                              with everyone fighting your battles ya just cant lose can ya ?

                              your software isnt the only one ive tested.

                              now,do i have to get out the troll away bug spray again ?

                                 
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