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# Are pre-draws corrupting your lottery strategy ?

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Nope, no graph coming through. IE shows a blank picture box with the properties gambling-gif.

Must not be important enough to be on the internet.

Then why show up to troll then ?

Yes your IE may show a blank picture but im sure you knew that already without having to post something soooo stupid.

Now, this is me laughing at your idiotic post .

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692 & 50%? Now I recognize this from IonSaliu's work from years ago.

That's where I first saw it. Here's the way it works (as I grasp it), for folks who've never seen it ...

1) The game has 1000 combos and you play one of them (straight), per round.

2) That makes 1 way to win & 999 ways to lose. 999 ways to lose = 999/1000 = 0.999, which means your odds of winning the bet is 1/1000 or 0.001

3) Play 2 rounds, your chances of losing both rounds is 0.999 * 0.999 [a.k.a. 0.999 ^ 2], which is ~0.998, which means your chances of winning one or both bets is ~0.002

4) Doing this over and over, the odds of you having won [not to be confused with winning a particular round] 1 or more bets gradually increases.

5) Eventually, there is a number of rounds X, such that 0.999 ^ X gives you a 50% chance of having won something within those X number of rounds. That covers winning 1 out of X rounds all the way up to winning all X out of X rounds.

You might expect this to be 500, since there are 1000 combinations, but that's not the case.

The number that fits this is 692. 0.999 ^ 692 = ~0.500

If the thread had just been called Fundamental Formula of Gambling, the old heads would've immediately known what was being talked about and we could have saved all these pages.

So this is a progression

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Then why show up to troll then ?

Yes your IE may show a blank picture but im sure you knew that already without having to post something soooo stupid.

Now, this is me laughing at your idiotic post .

Greetings, emperor

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NO, boney youre incorrect and you seem to make the same mistake over and over that most people make here on lottery post and most of the time i just let it go however in this case im just going to have to prove it to ya so everyone will just shut up about it .

As far as a single straight played combination goes the odds are not 1/1000 as soooo many people mistakenly believe and below is proof :

Listed below are the numbers that have yet to hit in NC's never drawn list which have already gone by 3000 draws :

017 * 085 * 087 * 091 * 094 * 106 * 122 * 199 * 216 * 221 * 252 * 253 * 260 * 266 * 310 * 317 * 390 * 392 * 396 * 407 * 415 * 421 * 466 * 475 * 492 * 546 * 550 * 558 * 569 * 580 * 586 * 590 * 633 * 634 * 653 * 703 * 708 * 761 * 787 * 799 * 836 * 862 * 900 * 909 * 930 * 935 * 980 * 986 * 991 * 998

Looking at the odds, it's easy to explain. You have 50 numbers out of 1000 so the odds against 1 of the 50 being drawn is 950 to 50 or 19 to 1 in every drawing until one hits and then the odds become worst for the remaining numbers. The odds will always favor a duplicate number being drawn when more than 500 numbers are drawn. If 500 different numbers are ever drawn in 500 drawings, somebody better be checking the RNG.

"As far as a single straight played combination goes the odds are not 1/1000 as soooo many people mistakenly believe and below is proof"

The real proof is how many times each digit in each digit position are drawn. In the last 1000 NC drawings (ending 12/25) 5 digits in each position were drawn less than 100 times making it impossible for 144 numbers to be drawn. For each number using the lead off digit "1" to be drawn in 1000 drawings, the digit "1" must be drawn 100 times. It was drawn 121 times in the last 1000 draining yet your statistics show three numbers (106, 122, and 199) not being drawn in over 3000 drawings. The digit "7" was only drawn 78 times making it impossible for at least 22 numbers to be drawn, but your stats show only 5 missing numbers in 3000.

It looks like you're saying for the odds to be 1/1000, not only must all the digits be drawn 100 times in 1000 drawings, but each time they are drawn, they will be drawn with 2 different digits.

If you really want to prove the tests are corrupting the drawings, compare how many times each digit was drawn combining the tests and the real drawings for the past 200 drawings where 4 tests are made before each drawing.

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Looking at the odds, it's easy to explain. You have 50 numbers out of 1000 so the odds against 1 of the 50 being drawn is 950 to 50 or 19 to 1 in every drawing until one hits and then the odds become worst for the remaining numbers. The odds will always favor a duplicate number being drawn when more than 500 numbers are drawn. If 500 different numbers are ever drawn in 500 drawings, somebody better be checking the RNG.

"As far as a single straight played combination goes the odds are not 1/1000 as soooo many people mistakenly believe and below is proof"

The real proof is how many times each digit in each digit position are drawn. In the last 1000 NC drawings (ending 12/25) 5 digits in each position were drawn less than 100 times making it impossible for 144 numbers to be drawn. For each number using the lead off digit "1" to be drawn in 1000 drawings, the digit "1" must be drawn 100 times. It was drawn 121 times in the last 1000 draining yet your statistics show three numbers (106, 122, and 199) not being drawn in over 3000 drawings. The digit "7" was only drawn 78 times making it impossible for at least 22 numbers to be drawn, but your stats show only 5 missing numbers in 3000.

It looks like you're saying for the odds to be 1/1000, not only must all the digits be drawn 100 times in 1000 drawings, but each time they are drawn, they will be drawn with 2 different digits.

If you really want to prove the tests are corrupting the drawings, compare how many times each digit was drawn combining the tests and the real drawings for the past 200 drawings where 4 tests are made before each drawing.

It all boils down to what percentage value you want ....go back and look at the chart and be aware that you could lose serious money while only playing one single straight played combination.

pick3 is a lot harder to master than it seems .

best of luck to you

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It all boils down to what percentage value you want ....go back and look at the chart and be aware that you could lose serious money while only playing one single straight played combination.

pick3 is a lot harder to master than it seems .

best of luck to you

Would you say it is as hard as posting a picture on the internet?

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It all boils down to what percentage value you want ....go back and look at the chart and be aware that you could lose serious money while only playing one single straight played combination.

pick3 is a lot harder to master than it seems .

best of luck to you

The 1,000 str8 chart is not my first line of approach to the game.

I use other approaches to get numbers and place my choices str8 using a variety of methods including reviewing the 1,000 str8 chart.

I currently have the 5-7-3 any digit by position due any time.

I would consider using the 5xx with the 543 exact among others.

Number search of SC3 A M&E.dmg: All Records      Printed: 01-14-2012
Pos.1 = 5 Pos.2 = 4 Pos.3 = 3 Pos.4 = None   Exact Order, All Numbers
15 Records Found          15 Selected Records Printed           Page

543  out 795 draws with most out 826 draws
Record     Date         P1 P2 P3   Matched  Skips
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
595   08/30/2003   5    4    3            3      594
667   10/08/2003   5    4    3            3      71
845   01/13/2004   5    4    3            3      177
1294   09/10/2004   5    4    3            3      448
1589   02/17/2005   5    4    3            3      294
1651   03/23/2005   5    4    3            3      61
1684   04/09/2005   5    4    3            3      32
2298   03/07/2006   5    4    3            3      613
2862   01/05/2007   5    4    3            3      563
3689   03/26/2008   5    4    3            3      826
4098   11/01/2008   5    4    3            3      408
4417   04/23/2009   5    4    3            3      318
4860   12/17/2009   5    4    3            3      442
5291   08/07/2010   5    4    3            3      430
5469   11/11/2010   5    4    3            3      177

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It all boils down to what percentage value you want ....go back and look at the chart and be aware that you could lose serious money while only playing one single straight played combination.

pick3 is a lot harder to master than it seems .

best of luck to you

If we had the results of the last 12,000 tests made before the 3000 drawings those 50 numbers went AWOL, maybe all of them were drawn. But if there was an effect on the data, the same would show up on all the numbers.

"pick3 is a lot harder to master than it seems."

That's why I don't it's a good idea to worry about what's drawn during the tests. In all Pick 3 games some numbers will hit more than average and some numbers will be dead.

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How do we account for the 273 being drawn 7 days from each other in the actual draws.? Did the pre draws and post draws force the 273 to be drawn again on the actual draws? Both mid draws I see. Could we still have the possibility of it being drawn in the eve draw? Or does the mid draws corrupt the eve draw stats?

Do you keep mid and eve separate or do you combine draws? I personaly keep my tracking in all three manners. It sure messes with the hit skip data on actual draws I would say.

Sat, Jan 14, 2012 Fri, Jan 13, 2012 Thu, Jan 12, 2012 Wed, Jan 11, 2012 Drawing Date Pick 3 Pick 4 Midday Evening Midday Evening 2-7-3 9-2-7-3 7-0-2 8-6-7 5-4-5-0 4-2-2-5 7-9-2 3-0-0 6-9-7-8 6-6-0-3 4-7-1 0-7-9 3-7-4-8 0-8-9-3 5-0-3 8-7-2 7-4-9-2 3-5-3-9 6-5-5 9-6-0 5-2-1-1 6-7-7-4 4-4-1 3-6-0 4-7-4-5 8-3-2-6 2-7-3 4-9-8 6-3-2-2 1-7-8-6 9-7-4 7-3-6 9-8-4-6 5-7-0-9 7-5-1 2-6-7 0-3-4-8 0-4-2-8

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Crow

How do we account for the 273 being drawn 7 days from each other in the actual draws.? Did the pre draws and post draws force the 273 to be drawn again on the actual draws? Both mid draws I see. Could we still have the possibility of it being drawn in the eve draw? Or does the mid draws corrupt the eve draw stats?

Do you keep mid and eve separate or do you combine draws? I personaly keep my tracking in all three manners. It sure messes with the hit skip data on actual draws I would say.

Sat, Jan 14, 2012 Fri, Jan 13, 2012 Thu, Jan 12, 2012 Wed, Jan 11, 2012 Drawing Date Pick 3 Pick 4 Midday Evening Midday Evening 2-7-3 9-2-7-3 7-0-2 8-6-7 5-4-5-0 4-2-2-5 7-9-2 3-0-0 6-9-7-8 6-6-0-3 4-7-1 0-7-9 3-7-4-8 0-8-9-3 5-0-3 8-7-2 7-4-9-2 3-5-3-9 6-5-5 9-6-0 5-2-1-1 6-7-7-4 4-4-1 3-6-0 4-7-4-5 8-3-2-6 2-7-3 4-9-8 6-3-2-2 1-7-8-6 9-7-4 7-3-6 9-8-4-6 5-7-0-9 7-5-1 2-6-7 0-3-4-8 0-4-2-8

All the live draws arent exactly live as we are led to believe ....they are taped....with all those pre-draws it seems as if the state lotteries can release what combination they want that has the lowest amount of payout....

there is no need to test the machines 4-6 times for every drawing because it isnt like the machines are likely to break down and if they did break down it would occure during the pre-draws...... this nonsense that people post about testing the machines is a load of bunk and is just smoke and mirrors to cover over the truth.

state lotteries have odds that vegas would die for .....think of it ...you only get 500 dollars for a straight win while they pay almost twice that online...but the big stab in the back for players is that the state lotteries have found a win to block transfers to offshore gambling sites from your banking account thus insuring a monopoly....if that isnt BS i dont know what is.

lotteries are greedy as helll and will do anything to make money

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Jap, If you look at Texas you notice 000 was the winner on 1/12.

Look back at the pre-test and 000 was the draw in the fourth pre-test on the tenth.

They even changed out two ball sets and still it came back. THOSE SNEAKY LOTTERY PEOPLE WILL DO ANYTHING!

01/12/2012 WINNING NUMBER 0  0  0  SUM 0

01/12/2012 Test# 1 D* A87* A86* A81*             E A88 A90 A91             2 3 1          6

Test# 2 D* A87* A86* A81*             E A88 A90 A91             3 4 6          13

Test# 3 D* A87* A86* A81*             E A88 A90 A91             9 1 2          12

Test# 4 D* A87* A86* A81*             E A88 A90 A91             3 8 3          14

01/11/2012 Test# 1 D* A87* A86* A88*             E A83 A91 A90             2 6 6          14

Test# 2 D* A87* A86* A88*             E A83 A91 A90             4 4 6          14

Test# 3 D* A87* A86* A88*             E A83 A91 A90             3 8 5          16

Test# 4 D* A87* A86* A88*             E A83 A91 A90             6 8 5          19

01/10/2012 Test# 1 D* A86* A88* A83*             E A90 A87 A91             9 5 1          15

Test# 2 D* A86* A88* A83*             E A90 A87 A91             7 9 0          16

Test# 3 D* A86* A88* A83*             E A90 A87 A91             4 4 2          10

Test# 4 D* A86* A88* A83*             E A90 A87 A91             0 0 0          0

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All the live draws arent exactly live as we are led to believe ....they are taped....with all those pre-draws it seems as if the state lotteries can release what combination they want that has the lowest amount of payout....

there is no need to test the machines 4-6 times for every drawing because it isnt like the machines are likely to break down and if they did break down it would occure during the pre-draws...... this nonsense that people post about testing the machines is a load of bunk and is just smoke and mirrors to cover over the truth.

state lotteries have odds that vegas would die for .....think of it ...you only get 500 dollars for a straight win while they pay almost twice that online...but the big stab in the back for players is that the state lotteries have found a win to block transfers to offshore gambling sites from your banking account thus insuring a monopoly....if that isnt BS i dont know what is.

lotteries are greedy as helll and will do anything to make money

All the live draws arent exactly live as we are led to believe ....they are taped....with all those pre-draws it seems as if the state lotteries can release what combination they want that has the lowest amount of payout....

I doubt they can do that having an independent audit agency certify the draws.

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All the live draws arent exactly live as we are led to believe ....they are taped....with all those pre-draws it seems as if the state lotteries can release what combination they want that has the lowest amount of payout....

I doubt they can do that having an independent audit agency certify the draws.

Reallly ?

Then why do soooo many players believe that the machines have to be tested 4-6 times a day ?

is releasing to the public what combinations they choose cheating ?

really what would be the difference ?

what we need is an independent audit looking into why governor Bev Perdue borrowed out of the state lottery fund given how this was supposed to be out of bounds for this kind of intervention.

dont trust the government jap cause they'll let you down everytime and they are virtually immune from prosecution

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Reallly ?

Then why do soooo many players believe that the machines have to be tested 4-6 times a day ?

is releasing to the public what combinations they choose cheating ?

really what would be the difference ?

what we need is an independent audit looking into why governor Bev Perdue borrowed out of the state lottery fund given how this was supposed to be out of bounds for this kind of intervention.

dont trust the government jap cause they'll let you down everytime and they are virtually immune from prosecution

"what we need is an independent audit looking into why governor Bev Perdue borrowed out of the state lottery fund given how this was supposed to be out of bounds for this kind of intervention."

Every President since LBJ with the exception of Obama (there was no money left) has borrowed money from Social Security. If our city, county, state, and Federal governments don't stop their spending sprees, there will be no money left to steal borrow.

"Then why do soooo many players believe that the machines have to be tested 4-6 times a day ?"

Players want a fair and random drawing they can watch on TV if they choose. Your argument seems to be against the process used by the lotteries to insure a fair and random drawing. From the comments I've read, the only adverse effect the tests have on the players is when they publish the test results after the drawings and that only affects the players that played one or more of the those test numbers.

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Reallly ?

Then why do soooo many players believe that the machines have to be tested 4-6 times a day ?

is releasing to the public what combinations they choose cheating ?

really what would be the difference ?

what we need is an independent audit looking into why governor Bev Perdue borrowed out of the state lottery fund given how this was supposed to be out of bounds for this kind of intervention.

dont trust the government jap cause they'll let you down everytime and they are virtually immune from prosecution

Perhaps a ouija bord brings the solution... pre-draws are evil, but using such a ouija bord might put that evil in a prisoncell, and throw away the key...

Don't trust the government, but trust a ouijabord

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